Mugged: Cubs 11, Astros 7
I shouldn't complain, not after the Cubs win again, 11-7 over the Astros on a muggy afternoon that had hints of yesterday's rainfall even while the sun was shining most of the day.
But I'm going to anyway, just for a moment. What were Lou and Bob Howry thinking? With two out, a runner on second and Carlos Lee at bat and the Cubs hanging on to a precarious 6-5 lead in the top of the seventh, it's an absolute no-brainer. Put Lee, who came into today's game with a .698 SLG and 14 HR in 44 career games at Wrigley Field, on first base with an intentional walk and summon Sean Marshall to pitch to Geoff Blum.
But no. Either Lou told Howry to "go get him" or Howry had Lou convinced that he could get Lee, so instead of doing the obvious, Howry laid a fastball right in Lee's proverbial wheelhouse and Lee deposited it far into the LF bleachers (or maybe even on the street, I didn't see where it landed) for a 7-6 Houston lead; the Cubs had thus frittered away an early 6-1 advantage, hitting the ball all over the yard against Wandy Rodriguez.
The complaint department is now closed. Mike said he wasn't worried even after that; he said the Cubs had been hitting the ball hard all day (they had) and figured they had a few more runs in them. He was right -- they hit relievers Chris Sampson, Wesley Wright and Doug Brocail just as hard if not harder than Rodriguez, tying the game on a couple of hard-hit balls by Reed Johnson and Mark DeRosa and a Kosuke Fukudome sac fly, and then after Daryle Ward drew his second pinch-intentional walk in the last week (giving him three pinch IBB for the year and ten pinch walks; the ML record for a season is 18), Alfonso Soriano won the game with his 20th HR of the year into the second row in left field.
This made a "winner" out of Howry -- well, he gets credit for the victory, yet more proof that individual pitcher wins are meaningless. The team win -- and this was yet another win with virtually everyone contributing -- is, of course, the goal every single day and to me, it doesn't really matter how they get there. Incidentally, the win made the Cubs 42-16 at home and thus clinched a winning home season -- with 23 home games remaining.
Rich Harden had his worst outing as a Cub and it still wasn't all that bad -- eight strikeouts, but two HR allowed, including a two-run job by Blum that cut the lead to 6-5, after many hits and walks by virtually everyone in the lineup in the first two innings had brought six Cubs home. Reed Johnson got hit by a pitch for the eleventh time this year in the first inning, loading the bases for Mark DeRosa, who doubled home two with a bloop; in the second it was Harden bunting -- attempting a sacrifice -- but winding up with a hit, his first as a Cub, and Soriano and Derrek Lee (who went 4-for-5) contributing with key singles.
And then it almost got away till Soriano's blast. After that, Kerry Wood made his return from the DL. Let's be honest -- he wasn't really fooling anyone today, as all four Astros hit the ball fairly hard off him, but three of them hit it right at Cub fielders. Wood threw only seven pitches, six of them strikes, and looked just fine; this was a good tuneup for his eventual return to closing. Carlos Marmol threw 15 pitches (11 strikes) in finishing up today in a non-save situation; he could probably go again tomorrow, or Jeff Samardzija could close if needed. Scott Eyre was DFA'd to make room for Wood, and that gives the Cubs a week to work out a trade. Eyre has cleared waivers and there's apparent interest in him from several AL contending teams. The Cubs will likely have to eat about $1 million of his contract -- that's fine with me, as long as some sort of useful prospect comes in return.
One more small quibble with today's game: Astros catcher Humberto Quintero walked again. That's two days in a row after 65 PA this year without a single base on balls. How do you DO that?
After last night's deluge it was nice to see the sun today, and after a cold front passes through the area tonight, the rest of the homestand should be played in delightful weather conditions, perhaps muting the recent calls for more night games. It truly has not been a hot summer in Chicago -- there's been quite a bit more rain and storms than usual, although until last night, there hadn't been many rain delays and no rainouts, and last night was the first Cub home game shortened to less than nine innings by weather since a 5 1/2 inning, 4-2 win over the White Sox on July 3, 2004.
Note to all: at the last minute I have available two bleacher tickets for tomorrow afternoon's game. Price $45 each. Email if interested -- I will meet you at the ballpark tomorrow. My email link is on the left sidebar. Thanks for your emails -- tickets are gone.
Onward to tomorrow and let's win another series. Go Reds! Go Dodgers!
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Last!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Aug 5, 2008 5:27 PM CDT
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In Honor of Opposite Day
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on
Aug 5, 2008 5:46 PM CDT
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Not quite...
in honor of Matthew 20:16
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Aug 5, 2008 5:47 PM CDT
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Reminds me of a Guiness commercial lol
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on
Aug 6, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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Soriano
There is a reason he got the money he got. The guy is a stud and he is putting up amazing numbers this year.
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by nji232 on
Aug 5, 2008 5:32 PM CDT
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Agreed.
And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Cubs have started playing better and winning since he’s been back.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 5:34 PM CDT
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Like Sosa did
Soriano can carry a team for weeks at a time when he gets hot. We haven’t had that since 2002 or so when Sammy started to lose it.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on
Aug 5, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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Unlike the Sosa era, though
when Sori does go into a maddening streak the 2008 Cubs have others there to compensate.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 5, 2008 5:55 PM CDT
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Very true
I have never seen one team so dependent on one player as the 2001 Cubs were. And they somehow managed to win 88 games.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on
Aug 5, 2008 5:58 PM CDT
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And conversely...
... this year, every win seems to have a different hero.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 7:00 PM CDT
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His coming off the DL
has infused this team with energy. I for one am very happy he is back and hope he stays healthy.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on
Aug 5, 2008 5:51 PM CDT
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Nice win!
I wish I could go to the game tomorrow and hang in the bleachers all day…alas, I have to run errands that I’ve been putting off way too long.
I can’t decide if I’m more upset at Bob Howry for being terrible, or Lou for enabling him to be terrible. On the one hand, a major-league pitcher has to get guys out, a job that seems far too difficult for Big Shot Bob (all kudos for that nickname goes to my buddy).
On the other hand, a manager’s job is to put players in positions where they can be successful, and, for some reason, Lou seems to think Howry can pitch high-leverage situations. Right now, he cannot.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on
Aug 5, 2008 5:32 PM CDT
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he did get
three guys out before that HR.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Aug 5, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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I know.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Aug 5, 2008 5:55 PM CDT
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His first pitch to Lee was
SUCH a meatball, any one of us could have hit that. Honestly, I don’t care if Howry talked Lou into pitching to him, Lou has to know that Lee has owned us his entire career.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Aug 6, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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Go Cubs Go.
Win tomorrow and we got the series.
Go Reds. Go Dodgers.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 5, 2008 5:33 PM CDT
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Bummer for Eyre
I met him last year at spring training and he was a really nice guy. He graduated from the same high school as one of my good friends and he give a lot back. Best of luck Scott
by BradB311 on
Aug 5, 2008 5:37 PM CDT
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Chuckle @ this quote
The Cubs will likely have to eat about $1 million of his contract—that’s fine with meMe too. As long as they don’t ask me to pay it!
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 5:39 PM CDT
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A no-brainer?
To put the go-ahead run on base? Because the batter has hit well in the stadium before? Perhaps if he had numbers like that against Howry, you might be able to make the case that it’s a good idea.
But it’s not close to being a no-brainer.
by Leon Durham on
Aug 5, 2008 5:39 PM CDT
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Who would you rather face in that situation?
Lee, who loves to hit in Wrigley Field and who is having a good year, against a guy who’s struggling?
Or Blum vs. a LHP (Marshall, who I would have brought in)? Blum is 3-for-23 vs. LHP this year. Of course, I suppose the Astros would have probably hit Berkman for Blum in that situation. But I’d still rather have had Marshall face Berkman than Howry face Lee.
In any case, all’s well that ended well.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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Lee the Cub Killer
I’ve seen Carlos Lee destroy Cubs pitching enough that I assume he’s going to hit a home run every time he comes to the plate against the Cubs.
But I still don’t put the potential winning run on base in that situation.
Of course, as you noted, it all worked out in the end.
by Leon Durham on
Aug 5, 2008 5:51 PM CDT
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Al, I think Marshall might have faced Berkman
Would that change your mind?
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 5:51 PM CDT
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Maybe.
But Berkman, as good a hitter as he is, doesn’t hit in Wrigley like Lee does. And, Berkman doesn’t hit LHP nearly as well as he does RHP, with far less power. It would have been a better matchup. JMHO.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 7:01 PM CDT
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Ok, here are the numbers
Lee entered today hitting .200 off of Howry. 2-for-10 with a double and 4 strikeouts. So, if they had walked Lee to let Marshall face Berkman, the Big Puma is hitting .286 off the lefty, 4-for-14 with 2 doubles and 4 rbi.
In any case, I say walk Lee and take your chances.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Aug 5, 2008 8:18 PM CDT
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dang
of course I’m going to be in DC tomorrow afternoon and can’t partake of the bleacher tix. Sometimes life just sucks. Other than that… Go Cubs!
and… what is it with Lou and Howry??
by Emelie on
Aug 5, 2008 5:42 PM CDT
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Uh, I missed all of this game.
Can someone please tell me…should Eyre really be DFAed when Howry looks like just as deserving candidate?
Tomorrow’s another 120 WGN game, Backe @ Marquis. I hope we can rest up tonight and get this rubber game.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Aug 5, 2008 5:42 PM CDT
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Eyre cleared waivers...
...and thus can be traded. That has to be taken into account.
by cwyers on
Aug 5, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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I'm so fed up with Howry
that despite Eyre’s cruddy stab at pitching the other night… yeah, Howry should’ve been the DFA. Humbug.
by Emelie on
Aug 5, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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I'm with you.
While Wood is unavailable to close, Howry shouldn’t be let anywhere near the 9th inning.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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unless the Cubs are up by 10+ runs
but then, I expect Wood to be back in the closers role before Howry is given another late inning chance to blow another save.
by JFCubFan on
Aug 5, 2008 6:04 PM CDT
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Not to split hairs
but the Cubs already had guaranteed a winning home record with 41 wins.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 5, 2008 5:43 PM CDT
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True.
42 sounds better, doesn’t it?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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The answer to life, the universe, and everything.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 5, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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You betcha.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 5:47 PM CDT
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my favorite response
here’s to a fish in your ear
by Emelie on
Aug 5, 2008 5:47 PM CDT
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Great W
anyone else getting chill bumps after every win??
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
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Aug 5, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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Amazing game
Soriano will CARRY THIS TEAM!
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Aug 5, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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Just as he did last September when he came off the DL.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 5:47 PM CDT
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His numbers if he had played the whole season would be sick
Right now he is projected at 35 HRS and 90RBI for the season. Thats playing only 113 games
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by nji232 on
Aug 5, 2008 5:50 PM CDT
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That's pretty amazing, playing basically 2/3 of a season.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 7:02 PM CDT
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POP QUIZ!
Choose the best answer to complete the analogy.
Lou is to Howry as…
a) Dusty is to Nefi
2) Batman is to Robin
d) Al is to Big Gulps
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Aug 5, 2008 5:50 PM CDT
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2 doesn't work.
Batman is to Robin as Z is to Fonty.
Ideas are bulletproof.
by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 5, 2008 5:52 PM CDT
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Hey, jbau --
Where’d you learn Mandarin?
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 5:53 PM CDT
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From my parents? :-)
And elementary school in Taiwan. I lived there till I was 10.
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 5:54 PM CDT
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prescient?
Do you mean with Mandarin being popular now?
Well, I can’t claim any any prescience. Having Chinese parents who grew up in Taiwan kinda, you know, forced me to be in Taiwan. =) But I guess lucky applies.
My parents are pushing me to teach my kids Mandarin =). I’m kinda lazy, but at least my wife is teaching them Cantonese!
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 6:01 PM CDT
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dang!
teach them! They’ll be invinceable!
by Emelie on
Aug 5, 2008 6:02 PM CDT
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A buddy of mine from Mexico
Lived in China for 7 years. Married a Singaporean.
Their children will grow up as native English, Spanish and Mandarin speakers.
Talk about invincible!
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:03 PM CDT
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Yeah. Singaporeans have very interesting schooling.
They’ll usually know English + 1 of Mandarin, Malay, or an Indian dialect.
I guess some good does come of British Colonialism.
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 6:04 PM CDT
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Well, that and Orchard Road...
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:11 PM CDT
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Home to...........
...........Orchard Towers!
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on
Aug 5, 2008 6:16 PM CDT
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Although I still prefer.........
...............Wan Chai in Hong Kong.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on
Aug 5, 2008 6:32 PM CDT
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Not enough HK experience for me to comment -
Only there one day, years ago.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:33 PM CDT
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Patpong.........
..........in Bangkok, is also quite interesting.
Never found places like these in Shanghai.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on
Aug 5, 2008 6:39 PM CDT
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Thailand has some very famous things...
famous/infamous in the rest of Asia.
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 6:40 PM CDT
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Well, I can honestly say I've never been to Orchard Towers
But if you’re looking for what I just found on Google, try KTV in Shanghai.
Again, not speaking from experience (honest) – but there are two kinds of KTV—the kind you go with your friends, and the kind where they bring friends to you.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:41 PM CDT
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Singapore's nice, but HK is better
Not just Wan Chai, but I also like Lan Kwai Fong.
And Macau might be more interesting than all of them.
by Not Bruce Froemming on
Aug 5, 2008 7:24 PM CDT
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No question.
Hong Kong is far better than Singapore.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on
Aug 5, 2008 9:19 PM CDT
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Well, that would explain it!
Clearly your Chinese is going to be better than mine, then!
I can get by in a taxi; I know enough to be dangerous.
Three most important phrases for me:
Wo bu ming bai.
Dui bu qi.
Bu qi dao.
That’ll get me through just about anything . . . .
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 5:56 PM CDT
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In order above:
I don’t understand.
I am sorry.
I don’t know.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:06 PM CDT
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Practice, I guess . . . still single.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:10 PM CDT
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most important husband speak...
yes, dear.
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on
Aug 5, 2008 6:49 PM CDT
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what about.....
of course your hotter than Erin Andrews LOL
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on
Aug 5, 2008 8:34 PM CDT
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At least with
“yes, dear” we are not lying :)
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Aug 6, 2008 7:51 AM CDT
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Or as Bob Brenly often reminds us:
“Yes, dear. You’re right. I’m sorry.”
The six words of marital success.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 6, 2008 9:22 AM CDT
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That sounds like my level of Cantonese =)
Where all I can say is:
Did you eat?
Did you pee?
Do you need time out?
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 6:06 PM CDT
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Well, I can also say
Feng pi
Hu shuo
But those aren’t as polite!
(If you’re interested—dao jiang hu is Shanghainese for hu shuo.)
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:08 PM CDT
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Interesting.
There’s lots of terminology from the Mainland that tickles me.
Ai-Ren (Spouse, but literally lover) being the most ready off the top of my head.
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 6:19 PM CDT
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Another favorite - ma da sao (not sure of the spelling)
For the henpecked Shanghainese husbands…my Shanghainese friends love that one.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:21 PM CDT
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Horse's Sister-in-Law?
Not very nice, is it?
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 6:24 PM CDT
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Guess I was way off
Supposed to be “shop clean cook”
Hard to write tones here . . . ma is definitely the first, but not horse. Not like mama huhu.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:27 PM CDT
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Hehe
Believe me, I’ve used those phrases, and the ones for the “husband” role, many times, in many languages.
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 6:14 PM CDT
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husband should not be in quotes,
in case my wife somehow reads this. :P
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Aug 5, 2008 8:55 PM CDT
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So do you work for a Western company in Shanghai?
How did you end up there, if I may ask?
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 6:07 PM CDT
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I work for a U.S. company, based in the U.S. myself
Lived in Shanghai for almost a year—July, 2004 – June, 2005. Also had a four month stay in 2006 and 2007. Several other trips.
My job is kind of part project managent part business management.
Haven’t been there since the spring, but it’s too damn hot in Shanghai right now, anyway!
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:10 PM CDT
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Cool. I've never actually been to Shanghai.
Definitely want to see it, some time. My Dad’s originally from ZheJiang. I’m sure he’ll want to go at some point.
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 6:27 PM CDT
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I love it.
So dynamic, friendly (albeit rushed) people. You’ll never find another place on earth so modern, yet in some ways, not. Fascinating.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:28 PM CDT
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I agree on the strange Modern/backward dynamic
I have been to Hong Kong, and it’s very noticeable there.
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 6:29 PM CDT
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I've only been to HK once, but it really seemed pronounced
With skyscrapers right next to run down buildings. It’s similar in Shanghai, but not as stark.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:30 PM CDT
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Yeah. Quite a lot of traditional markets, etc, in HK.
Yet an amazing skyline.
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Do your parents still live in Taiwan?
by Shanghai Badger on
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Interesting. What brought your family to the neighborhood
So to speak?
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Aug 5, 2008 6:31 PM CDT
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My dad wanted to change jobs.
He was an oil-tanker captain, which was not the safest thing during the Iran-Iraq war. Plus the whole being on the sea for 3-months at a time thing.
So he decided to apply to grad school in America. And my aunt was working at Bell Labs, in Naperville. So he went to IIT, and we moved to Naperville… in 1989. Which explains the Cubs thing.
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Aug 5, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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Thanks.
And…to Al and the rest of BCB, sorry for the thread-jacking!
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Yeah, I guess we did, didn't we?
I’ll fix that by heading out for a workout.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 6:43 PM CDT
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I think the correct answer is d
If Lou is addicted to using Howry, and must get his fix of Bobby no matter what, you could say the same about Al and his Big Gulps.
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by dtpollitt on
Aug 5, 2008 6:16 PM CDT
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Sheesh.
I was wondering when I’d get past all the Chinese dialogue to the rest of this thread.
Anyway, yes, I do have a Big Gulp every game. But if it were necessary to give one up to get the Cubs a win, I’d take one for the team.
Not so sure Lou would do the same to avoid his Howry fix.
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by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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Big Gulp in Chinese is --
I keed, I keed. Nobody cares.
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 7:06 PM CDT
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Sorry, Al!
Tomorrow’s topic—aviation.
kidding, kidding
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Aug 5, 2008 8:08 PM CDT
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Promise this is my last Soriano over love post of the day
Over 162 games his projected numbers this season. .297BA, 49.8HRS, 129.6RBI, 27SBs, 201 hits, and 122 runs
I promise I’m done now
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by nji232 on
Aug 5, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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wow
50 hrs. that’s insane.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
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Aug 5, 2008 5:58 PM CDT
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He hit 46 two years ago with the Nats...
... in a pitcher’s park, so it’s not so out of the question he could do that in a full season.
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by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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I am now able to forgive him his weakness in field
too bad we can’t have pinch LF’s
by Emelie on
Aug 5, 2008 6:01 PM CDT
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Or the DH...
... even though I don’t like the DH, Soriano would be ideal for the role.
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by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 7:04 PM CDT
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I really don't get this.
Soriano has bounced back from a poor start to the year to put in a pretty good showing in left field. He’s not in the Burrell/Manny/Abreu/Carlos Lee range of people who shouldn’t even bother to wear a glove.
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Aug 5, 2008 7:16 PM CDT
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Hmmm...
Colin, I respect your knowledge a lot, but do you really believe that Bobby Abreu is no better than Carlos Lee in LF? I always thought of him as a really good RF—perhaps that was too many years ago?
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by DeRoMyHero on
Aug 5, 2008 7:19 PM CDT
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Abreu has gotten ooooooooooooooold.
I say again: ooooooooooold. Once upon a time he was a good defensive outfielder, perhaps. But now he’s ooooooooooold.
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Aug 5, 2008 7:28 PM CDT
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OK,
I haven’t seen the Yankees much this year. He also probably hides some of his age in that tiny RF (a la Lou Piniella).
Considering only those players whose primary position is LF and who are “everyday” players, who is your Gold Glove LF?—one for each league is OK.
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by DeRoMyHero on
Aug 5, 2008 7:35 PM CDT
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+1
He doesn’t always take the best angle to the ball, but other than that, and without looking at the numbers, I’d be willing to bet he’s been among the assist leaders the past several years.
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by Bump Bailey on
Aug 5, 2008 7:21 PM CDT
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Not to mention...
“He’s got a rocket for an arm!” 
"And then, just as nonchalantly as though Horace Tarbox had been Mr. Beef the butcher or Mr. Hat the haberdasher, life reached in, seized him, handled him, stretched him, and unrolled him like a piece of Irish lace on a Saturday-afternoon bargain-counter." -F. Scott Fitzgerald
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Aug 5, 2008 8:03 PM CDT
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Curious
Just curious if you left Adam Dunn off that short list by design or was simply an oversight. Because for my money, he immediately jumps to the head of that list…easily.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
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Aug 5, 2008 8:04 PM CDT
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By design.
I want to phrase this carefully, so there are no mistakes in interpretation:
Adam Dunn is not a good outfielder. He is, in fact, a bad outfielder. But there is a difference between being bad and being awful. Dunn is simply bad in the Luke Scott/Matt Stairs mold – nobody will ever let him wander into the room where the Gold Glove presentation is being held without paying admission, but he’s a few years away from being an utter liability in the field. (Of course, you could say the same about Carlos Lee – he doesn’t really deserve, yet, to be in the same group as Burrell, Manny and Abreu.)
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Who's Good In LF Now?
I don’t think Sori is terrible in LF. He’s not bad compared to other LF’s. Barry Bonds was a great LF in the 1990’s. Gary Matthews was good in the early 1980’s with the Phillies. Those left fielders with the good gloves aren’t around anymore.
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by memphiscub on
Aug 6, 2008 7:47 AM CDT
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I think he's made some
good plays in left. He’ll probably never dive for the ball, but with his legs healthy, he seems to have greater range, and has made some running catches that I wouldn’t have expected back in April or May.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
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Aug 5, 2008 8:47 PM CDT
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This game had it all.
I would really like to know why Lou keeps going to Howry when the results 95% of the time lead to runs for the other team. I’m so thankful to have Soriano back. Actually I’m just thankful for this whole team (well maybe not Howry). When one or two struggle others step up and make things happen. One thing some on here need to do is never count this team out (especially in the 4th or 5th inning).
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on
Aug 5, 2008 6:07 PM CDT
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Howry does suck but its on Lou for pitching to Lee
The guy has unreal numbers at Wrigley and against the Cubs. Don’t know why, but he does. Don’t pitch to him with first base open in that situation.
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by nji232 on
Aug 5, 2008 6:09 PM CDT
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I agree, poor call by lou in that situation
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by CubsBall2202 on
Aug 5, 2008 6:09 PM CDT
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i try to stay positive when it comes to players
but howry is one more bad pitch to being the next will ohman…...two away from being paul bako in my book
by cubswynn on
Aug 6, 2008 8:46 AM CDT
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Paul Bako was a pitcher?
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by NotSure on
Aug 6, 2008 7:23 PM CDT
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My $0.02 on Howry
Lou needs Howry to get right for the stretch run. Pinella’s got to be a little concerned with Wood’s possible future blister issues, the Shark’s inexperience, Marmol’s mini-break down a while back, and Marshall’s “somewhat” inconsistent performance this season. Gaudin (sp?) looks solid. Cotts has looked solid recently. Howry needs to get right and be a stabilizing force in the pen. I think Lou sees that. His performance over the last couple of seasons has been pretty consistent and will need to be so for this team to get where it wants to go. Question marks in the bull pen are the last thing the Cubs need in late August and September.
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cheshire Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
by Hagen on
Aug 5, 2008 6:09 PM CDT
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that's an awful lot of faith in my book
by Emelie on
Aug 5, 2008 6:13 PM CDT
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It's easy to see Howry's not "right" but..
who else would Lou want to count on in those pressure mid-to-late inning spots on a consistent basis out of the current pen? Gaudin can’t pitch every day, and he’s a couple inning guy anyways. Should he just go with the “hot hand”? I truly believe Lou wants/needs/seeks an arm to be what Howry has shown (in the past) he can be.
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cheshire Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
by Hagen on
Aug 5, 2008 6:20 PM CDT
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in the past is the operative phrase
but I see the desire
by Emelie on
Aug 5, 2008 6:29 PM CDT
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Howry must do a great job with the
starch on Lou’s shirts. Everyone needs a special skill.
Otherwise I can not understand how Lou keeps his faith in him (versus how quickly he gave up on Eyre). i didn’t see that big a difference in the two. Before Eyre’s injury this year, didn’t he go 30+ appearance without giving up an earned run? Granted, many of these were one batter appearances, but the guy still did his job. Maybe Lou just didn’t like the fact that Eyre breaks down physically.
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by LAcarl519 on
Aug 5, 2008 6:43 PM CDT
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Lou likes Howry because he throws hard
and throws strikes. Unlike some people that shall remain nameless :::::Cough Marquis:::::: Howry does hit the strikezone. The problem is he keeps getting blown up when he’s in the strike zone.
Lou should start using him as ROOGY. It seems he’s good for two out a game and then his stuff falls off.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on
Aug 5, 2008 6:47 PM CDT
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I agree 100%...
...Lou knows its likely, Howry is going to have to pitch some big innings if this thing is going to finish the way everyone wants.
If you listen to Lou’s press conferences, he uses the term “competes” fairly often when it comes to evaluating his pitchers. His idea of competing is a pitcher throwing that ball over the plate and seeing if the hitter can do anything with it, as opposed to letting him trot down to first without swinging the bat. Lou likes the guys that go right after it, and have what he thinks is a competitive edge to them. This is why his respect for Zambrano went up after he handled Barrett. Lou saw a competitive guy get pissed, because his catcher had been like a butcher behind the plate and he likes this because he was this way as a player and was managed by a guy who loved players that had that edge. It’s also why he backs Lilly so much, he sees a guy that goes after it with stuff that is not hear the top 3 guys.
All managers like certain traits in players, and those traits are usually ones that mirror experiences they had when their particular philosophy was imbedded by either a former manager or players they looked up to. If Lou has a doghouse (and I think all managers have a form of one) the guys you will find in there, are the ones he feels are lacking that competitive fire and don’t get the max out of their own talent.
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by MPH73 on
Aug 5, 2008 6:58 PM CDT
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Amazing how he responds with just one day off
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by nji232 on
Aug 5, 2008 6:20 PM CDT
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More likely that he crafted a wonder bat
after the lightning storm. :)
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on
Aug 5, 2008 6:45 PM CDT
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I agree with Hagen.
I think Lou is doing everything in his power to help Howry get straightened out.
by Rick B on
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Not out of loyalty or anything, but out of necessity for what Lou has seen in past winning teams
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by Hagen on
Aug 5, 2008 6:21 PM CDT
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past winning teams
cut bait when necessary. see: eyre, scott. holding on to howry is not helping. in fact, you could say it hurts in the sense that it forces lou to turn to marmol or wood because the game is suddenly closer.
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by Trey2317 on
Aug 5, 2008 8:50 PM CDT
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Regardless of what has been expressed
Howry will be an intrical piece of the puzzle for the next 7 weeks +
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by Employee22 on
Aug 5, 2008 6:26 PM CDT
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Good or bad...but certainly the desired go-to guy.
I think we all need to root and hope for the best for Howry because he’s going to be in the mix whether we like it or not only because there isn’t another guy who fills that role…unless the organization gets the Shark enough innings to prove he can do it…but they are still nursing his arm along into that role
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cheshire Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
by Hagen on
Aug 5, 2008 6:34 PM CDT
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Meh...
DFA Howry when Leiber comes off the DL. Isn’t another guy who “fills that role”? The “come in and give up a gopher ball” role? There is no way Howry should be the 7th inning guy any longer. Chad can do it. Cotts can do it. The Shark has shown signs that he can do it.
The only role Howry should be filling is the mop up guy. And right now, I’d rather have Leiber.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 5, 2008 8:30 PM CDT
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Comparison....
Leiber 1.37 WHIP, 9 HR in 43 innings pitched
Howry 1.38 WHIP, 11 HR in 53 innings pitched
...and Howry isn’t injured.
Bob needs to be put in low risk situations and work it out. No way I take Lieber over Howry.
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When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
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by NotSure on
Aug 5, 2008 8:59 PM CDT
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I suspect Lieber...
... like Eyre, pitched himself into Lou’s doghouse when he had that bad start in Cincinnati in May.
I’m guessing that when healthy, he’ll be waived. And the Yankees will sign him.
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by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 9:05 PM CDT
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And that's a shame...
...because if Howry is relegated to mop up status, I think Leiber’s done a pretty admirable job in that role (when he was actually allowed to pitch).
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by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 5, 2008 9:12 PM CDT
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Agreed.
Lou never really used Lieber in a way that he could have been the most useful.
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by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 9:14 PM CDT
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Raw numbers...
Leiber – 56 hits in 44.2 = 62 in 55 innings projected, 1.37 WHIP, been injured
Howry – 67 hits in 54.1 innings, 1.38 WHIP, not injured (that we know of)
A tossup between Howry and Leiber, but Howry, IMO, has better stuff.
Also, for comparison….
Marquis – 125 hits in 111 innings = 62 hits in 55 innings, 1.45 WHIP
It’ll be a race between Howry and Leiber for the Lou doghouse now…
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 5, 2008 9:55 PM CDT
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The solution, obviously,
Howry as 5th starter!
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 9:56 PM CDT
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If his arm would hold up...
...this would at least not be quite as high leverage. Howry needs to be used in spots where the HR’s don’t kill us until he gets himself right.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 5, 2008 10:37 PM CDT
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Bases Empty ERA....
Leiber 1.09
Howry 5.11
That’s typically as low leverage as you can get. And yet, Howry still cant’ get people out.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 6, 2008 7:03 AM CDT
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You should know better than to use ERA to compare relief pitchers...
One last try…
Leiber: K/9 = 5.24 K/BB = 5.20 OBA = .303 OBP = .323 OSLG = .535 OPS = .855
Howry: K/9 = 7.12 K/BB = 5.38 BA= .303 OBP = .328 OSLG = .557 OPS = .883
I see no significant difference except K/9 for Howry is greater.
Basically, these guys are the same pitcher on average, except that Howry has better “stuff” i.e. more strikeouts.
And he can’t get people out right now. Howry MIGHT get better, and he’s 35. Lieber has been injured, he’s 38, and IMO he’s DONE.
I’m glad you’re not in charge of the Cubs decision making. Eyre was the right call, and Lieber would be the next right call if someone has to go…
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When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 6, 2008 7:38 PM CDT
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Howry may have better "stuff"...
... but that doesn’t necessarily make him a better pitcher.
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by Al on
Aug 6, 2008 4:08 AM CDT
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Take out Leiber's start against Cincy....
Leiber 5 HR in 41 relief innings pitched. I’d take that any old day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 5, 2008 9:07 PM CDT
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So we just ignore a bad outing against a bad team?
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When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 5, 2008 10:38 PM CDT
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No, it was a "START"...
so, if you want to truly compare “relief appearances” by both, you have to take it out.
Or give Howry a start.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 6, 2008 6:43 AM CDT
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See above, by all measures that matter, they're the same pitcher....
Except Howry has a better fastball and is 3 years younger.
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When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 6, 2008 7:40 PM CDT
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Volquez hit hard in the first -- 2-0 Milwaukee
Patterson didn’t play the best CF in that inning.
by Shanghai Badger on
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I'll bet his ERA finishes about 3.40 this season
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by nji232 on
Aug 5, 2008 6:26 PM CDT
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That inning?
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on
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Plus the 1-pitch out to the end bottom of 1st.
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That was brutal
They had Bush on the ropes, and he’s been perfect the next 5 innings.
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As an unofficial scorer,
I say Howry is the “wiener” today. That’s my new term for a “blown hold/win” performance, something Howry seems to be good at…he has the first part of that down, unfortunately.
Here’s hoping Howry “get’s right” before long. We will need him down the stretch. Marmol and Wood can not have a heavy work load in these last 50+ games!
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Shark and Cotts (against righty's only)
Now is the time to see if Marshall can get Lefties out
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on
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if we take care of business...
they should get days off in mid-to-late september
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Aug 5, 2008 7:27 PM CDT
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Lou's got to go with his instincts and right now, I think his instincts are that Howry will get right.
How about get to the post season, go with a four man rotation, and let Marquis try to fill that role if Howry can’t straighten things out? At this point should I duck from flying rotted fruit and garbage….?
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cheshire Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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Aug 5, 2008 6:54 PM CDT
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OT: Dan Plesac is doing color on the TV broadcast for the White Sox.
Was this planned or did DJ have an emergency?
Hey, it's a new century!
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Meh..
Not like I would watch anyway…
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by Bump Bailey on
Aug 5, 2008 7:17 PM CDT
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Does the raving lunatic otherwise known as Ozzie begin his suspension tonight?
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by JB 23 on
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Jose Vidro has been designated for assignment!
Hallelujiah and amen!
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He of the .612 OPS.
He was batting cleanup too. What a team.
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by Bump Bailey on
Aug 5, 2008 7:30 PM CDT
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It's a shame that the turf in Montreal made him old before his time...
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by DeRoMyHero on
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Unfortunately...
I think the same is happening to Vlad Guerrero. He’s still amazing with the bat in his hands, but the body appears to be breaking down. He looks arthritic running the bases or playing RF.
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About time
I know the Mariners are leaderless, but anyone could see that he was utterly terrible as a DH.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on
Aug 5, 2008 11:17 PM CDT
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brewers up 4-1
volquez getting lit up by the bottom of the brewers order.
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Howry injured?
The Astros announcer and former pitcher mentioned that Howry’s arm angle was off. He discussed this at length and well before he got hit hard and gave up the HR to Lee. It would be a very logical explanation for his precipitous drop in effectiveness.
But the bottom line is that Howry is a serious problem and it appears not to be something that the Cubs can afford to wait on. With Eyre gone he is now the weakest link.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on
Aug 5, 2008 7:32 PM CDT
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If Howry was hurt...
... wouldn’t his velocity be down?
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by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 7:58 PM CDT
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Isn't it?
He’s been low 90’s, not mid to high.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 8:06 PM CDT
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That was his velocity last year.
Doesn’t seem to have changed.
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by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 9:05 PM CDT
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His velocity is down...but about 1 MPH on average
Average Velocity last year was 92.3 and this year it is 91.2.
Also he has thrown a bunch more sliders this year than he did last year which probably tells ya that his fastball is not as good as it once was so he can’t rely on it as much.
Found Howry Pitch Information….See last chart
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=237&position=P
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by TheRiot Police on
Aug 5, 2008 9:11 PM CDT
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Arm angle
When it changes for an experienced pitcher, it is often indicates that the player is trying to compensate for pain. Now I can’t speak to the change but Deshaies was very outspoken with that info and did it after about his 4th pitch. Given Howry’s stats recently and the fact that everything he throws is flat and between 90-92, I’d have to be suspicious. He has given up 4 HR in 8 innings recently.
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by tharr on
Aug 5, 2008 8:34 PM CDT
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That makes sense.
You’d think our pitching coach could figure that out. Oh, wait…
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by Al on
Aug 5, 2008 9:05 PM CDT
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From what I can see
it appears his movement on his heat is 0, He is throwing perfect MLB batting practice, 92 MPH fastballs, no movement. You know the guy has been around for awhile why hasn’t he worked in new pitches, change, splitter, something. I scratch my bald head over this guy.
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by Grockcubs on
Aug 5, 2008 9:07 PM CDT
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I was saying the same exact thing...
Throw something that moves every once in a while. I think in his last outing he threw a curveball or slider that totally fooled the guy and he K’d him.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 5, 2008 9:09 PM CDT
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I once heard Don Sutton say
that, when a pitcher is pitching with a (minor) injury or soreness, the first thing to go is control - not velocity. I think his reason is that the pitcher “overexerts” to compensate and gain velocity, which will buy him a few MPH, but will cause him to not repeat his delivery precisely - a prime cause for losing control.
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by DeRoMyHero on
Aug 5, 2008 9:45 PM CDT
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Need your input...
As you know, DeRo is my favorite player. You may also know that he had a miserable July.
Today, he got 3 hits, his first 3-hit game since June 8th.
Today was the first day in a long time that I entirely missed the pre-game and game threads. So…
Should I join y’all for tomorrow’s game thread - since I enjoy hanging out with everyone - or should I stay away to help DeRo stay hot?
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by DeRoMyHero on
Aug 5, 2008 7:44 PM CDT
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Too many variables for it to be you
Join the party.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 8:06 PM CDT
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OK, I'll be there tomorrow.
But, if DeRo goes 0-fer…..
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by DeRoMyHero on
Aug 5, 2008 9:46 PM CDT
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Hey, I want him to hit, too
He’s on my Strat-O-Matic team
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 5, 2008 9:47 PM CDT
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Is there any possibility whatsoever that Cashner could be called up this year?
I understand Fleita believes he’s capable enough to do it, but what are the odds?
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by Goat Whisperer on
Aug 5, 2008 7:45 PM CDT
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I hope not. Remember Joey Devine?
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by DeRoMyHero on
Aug 5, 2008 7:46 PM CDT
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He's not exactly pitching well in Boise
I’d say there’s no chance of it happening.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on
Aug 5, 2008 9:51 PM CDT
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Numbers
2 G, 2.6 IP, 3 H, 4ER, 9 BB, 3 K, 13.50 ERA.
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by krummy12 on
Aug 5, 2008 8:08 PM CDT
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Milwaukee 7-1
Fielder with the 2-run bomb after 2 brushback pitches.
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 8:11 PM CDT
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So they were right down the middle of the plate?
HEY OOOOOOHH!
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by Goat Whisperer on
Aug 5, 2008 8:12 PM CDT
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If they threw him a meatball
naw, nevermind. Too easy.
by daeviant on
Aug 5, 2008 8:18 PM CDT
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One version of the Fielder-Parra incident from the evil BCB:
Prince took umbrage with Parra’s desire to retreat to the clubhouse after being pulled in the top of the 7th. According to the beat blog, Fielder yelled, “We stayed out there and watched your sh-t. You can stay out here and watch our sh-t.”
by zevkalman on
Aug 5, 2008 8:22 PM CDT
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BTW, why is Dusty playing Corey Patterson? He's got a BA less than .200
How can anyone win an MLB game with Corey?
by zevkalman on
Aug 5, 2008 8:24 PM CDT
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You mean that sh-t...
... helped by you not being able to belly-flop on a ball hit 18 inches to your right, Prince Spaghetti Night?
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by Goat Whisperer on
Aug 5, 2008 8:38 PM CDT
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nothing wrong with yelling
but when he starts bitch-slapping, that’s a problem.
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by drewishdrewid on
Aug 5, 2008 8:54 PM CDT
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That's from the Milwaukee J-S
So it seems to be the official story. Parra also swung his jacket and although from the replays it didn’t seem to come close to Prince, it seems Prince thought it did.
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by Josh77 on
Aug 5, 2008 9:53 PM CDT
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Last I checked
Hairston was hitting around .340.
by Clark Addison on
Aug 5, 2008 8:32 PM CDT
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I don't really think that Patterson could hit under .200 in a full season...
...and I know damn well that Hairston couldn’t hit .340 in a full season. Looking at their career numbers, it’s about six of one and half dozen of another.
by cwyers on
Aug 5, 2008 8:35 PM CDT
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there's some kind of point in there somewhere.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 5, 2008 8:39 PM CDT
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In brief:
At this point it probably doesn’t matter who the Reds play anyways, and there’s no real reason to think that Patterson is much worse than Hairston. It’s not like he’s taking time away from Jay Bruce.
by cwyers on
Aug 5, 2008 8:41 PM CDT
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Patterson is MUCH worse than Hairston this year.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 5, 2008 8:43 PM CDT
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There's no reason to forget about Hairston's entire long and mediocre...
...career just because he got hot for 217 PAs. None whatsoever.
by cwyers on
Aug 5, 2008 8:47 PM CDT
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Yep, nobody's ever had a "career year". Ever.
THIS YEAR Patterson is much worse than Hairston.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 5, 2008 8:53 PM CDT
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I guess that is why baseball stats can sometimes be misleading....
A player’s batting statistics cannot be exactly described by sampling some unknown (but real) probability density function. In reality, his batting statistics are probably better described by a time-sequence of differing pdf’s—depending on his health, his capacity to adjust to pitches, etc. Of course, a sabermagician might represent a hitter by one pdf throughout his career, but this is only a time-averaged pdf over the entire career….on time scales of weeks, months, years, etc., the hitter might have had much better or much worse numbers.
by zevkalman on
Aug 5, 2008 9:08 PM CDT
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Yeah. I always wonder whether there has been much ...
sabermagic work on in-game strategy, with lots of variable conditions producing only small data sets, versus analysis of team construction and player evaluation, which have more data to go on.
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 9:12 PM CDT
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True talent levels do shift over time...
...and you do your best to capture the change over time.
And yes, there are days when a player is likely to perform better than others, due to health/mental/etc. reasons, but nobody’s ever shown much of an ability to discern those days before the fact looking at performance stats. Maybe some managers have an ability to discern a real hot streak from a player simply getting lucky; I don’t know.
But in the case of Jerry Hairston, here’s 2008 versus Career:
BB%: 6.8 , 7.8 %
K: 13.5 , 13.2 %
ISO: .141, .107
GB 36.2 , 38.0 %
FB: 35.0 , 39.2 %
LD: 28.8 %, 22.7 %
BABIP: .390, .288
You tell me if you think that a 6% jump in line drive percentage should lead to a 12% jump in BABIP.
by cwyers on
Aug 5, 2008 9:48 PM CDT
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Colin
What site do you use for BABIP data?
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by DeRoMyHero on
Aug 5, 2008 9:50 PM CDT
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I think we have seen the last of Corey
after this year. Just think the A’s sent down Eric a few days ago, OUCH.
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by Grockcubs on
Aug 5, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
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Murton isn't doing well either
Gallagher might be the only player in that deal that turns out to be decent
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by Chanman25 on
Aug 5, 2008 9:18 PM CDT
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If you combine the Hairston family stats
you might have player of the week
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by Employee22 on
Aug 5, 2008 10:34 PM CDT
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Hairston reinjured his hamstring....
...when they rushed him back after trading Griffey. You’re right, he’s had a helluva year.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Aug 5, 2008 8:40 PM CDT
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The Howry era must end in Chicago
He had a great 2006 but he has gone downhill since Dusty overused both he and Eyre. Call up Wuertz and DFA Howry.
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by Chanman25 on
Aug 5, 2008 9:03 PM CDT
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Except Howry throws strikes and Wuertz doesn't....
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by NotSure on
Aug 6, 2008 7:42 PM CDT
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Milwaukee wins
St. L in another rain delay.
After the 1st resumption:
Looks like not too many people sticking around.
by jbau on
Aug 5, 2008 9:05 PM CDT
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think those ushers will yell at those who remain?
just like i got yelled at last night?...
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by Trey2317 on
Aug 5, 2008 9:06 PM CDT
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Why did they yell at you?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Aug 5, 2008 9:07 PM CDT
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you try trading up?
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by Chanman25 on
Aug 5, 2008 9:12 PM CDT
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yeah, you know, because i was one of 7500 left
the usher decided i didn’t ‘know the rules’ and the team could be sued if i got hurt. so i had the choice of relocating or being escorted out (and i’d had 3 beers, so there was no need for escorting). so i relocated. it was all quite humorous in the end.
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by Trey2317 on
Aug 5, 2008 9:14 PM CDT
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Old bastards.....I dont get it.
At the fricken Chiefs Cougars game I saw a guy screamed at for consequently sitting in his OWN seats.
Butt heads.
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by Hammer on
Aug 5, 2008 9:18 PM CDT
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one bad thing about Wrigley
the ushers are old and cranky. When I went last year, they were basically yelling at kids to get away from the dugouts when players were signing autographs..
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by Chanman25 on
Aug 5, 2008 9:20 PM CDT
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i think that was it
by the time the game resumed at 10:30, they were ready to go home. i’ve been going to cubs games for 19 years and never had that experience before.
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by Trey2317 on
Aug 5, 2008 9:22 PM CDT
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A guy walking to the upper deck once
said to me—-”Be PREPARED to show your ticket” I kept walking because I was being PREPARED and then he yelled at me if I didnt want to follow the rules I could leave. I initially wanted to go off and then my girlfriend got pissed at me and I explained to her. THEN…I had to have a talk with the gentleman to get it off my chest. He said nothing. Why am I getting my tix checked to sit in the fricken 500s
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by Hammer on
Aug 5, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
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So all the under-400-level-people...
who have to stand in their long bathroom lines downstairs…. don’t come upstairs and make our (IMO) not-as-long bathroom lines longer.
God bless the 500 level ticket checkers.
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Aug 6, 2008 4:14 AM CDT
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Wait... that can't be the reason.
Cause the bathrooms are before you get to where they’re always standing to check my 500 ticket.
Hmmm….I dunno.
Damn those 500 level ticket checkers
by MillsChC on
Aug 6, 2008 4:19 AM CDT
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Lou-Howry Manlove
I am a big Lou fan because he, unlike Johnnie B. Baker, demands performance from his players. Which make the blind spot regarding Bob Howry all the more puzzling. Howry sucks, his pitches all are thrown at the same speed and occupy the same plane in the strike zone.
I much prefer Michael Wurtz over Howry.
There is no reason to continually run Howry out in crucial moments. He is a mop up man at this stage in his career.
by perseman on
Aug 5, 2008 9:34 PM CDT
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Howry more HR's, but Wuertz is a walk machine....
Wuertz – 1.42 WHIP 4 HR, 15 walks and 25 strikeouts in 38 innings pitched…
Howry – 1.38 WHIP, 11 HR, 8 walks and 43 strikeouts in 54 innings pitched
More HR’s for Howry, but he doesn’t walk guys. Clearly Lou is willing to put up with the occasional HR in return for throwing strikes.
As long as Wuertz walks guys, he is in in the “Lou doghouse”.
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by NotSure on
Aug 5, 2008 10:24 PM CDT
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"occasional HR" ???
How bout all the F*(&^%ing hits ? Sorry Lou defenders there is NO excuse for using him for anything
but mop up right now and I would prefer Wuertz or the now departed Eyre for that. I don’t know if Howry has pictures of Lou or what but his continues use of him just like his continues overuse of Marmal in key situations is just one more sign he is very bad at managing the bullpen. Most of the time we have good enough pitchers to covder him or like today batters to come back and cover it up.
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by Doggie Stalker on
Aug 5, 2008 10:39 PM CDT
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I agree
I was swearing a blue streak out there when Lou left Howry to pitch to Cub Killer Carlos and then he grooves the 1st pitch and it gets cranked. What was Lou thinking?? What was Howry thinking? At worst, you pitch around Lee and make him hit your pitch unless of course you’re Bobby Howry, whose only pitch is a 90 mph fastball straight-as-an-arrow over the heart of the plate!! I am done with that bum in anything but pure mop-up situations and Lou should be too or is there no doghouse for Howry??
by Itchy on
Aug 5, 2008 10:57 PM CDT
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Numbers please...no need to get snippy...I am not a "Lou defender"...
WHIP is both WALKS and HITS per inning….the numbers don’t bear out your perception that Wuertz is appreciably better. In one particular instance, perhaps, but long term Howry is as good as your other options…
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by NotSure on
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Basically we are arguing which is the least crappy pitcher
I say Eyre and you say Howry but the bigger issue and problem is how Lou uses them,
Howry is being put in OVER AND OVER again in key situations. Sometimes like yesterday
he just barely escapes other times like today he nearly costs us the game . Lou is postively
Dustyesque ( if that is the word) in his continuing to use Howry when it counts. Right now he needs to be used when the Cubs are up or down by 4 runs. INSTEAD Lou uses Marmol
today with a four run lead. Does Sean Marshall still exist or does Lou only use him when
Marmol implodes and gives up 5 runs in the 9th ? I don’t care if Howry does not walk
that many guys he is NOT a good pitcher right now and should not be used until he proves that he is. I thought Lou was suppossed to stick bad performers in his dog house not in key
situations ?
As I have believed since April this team wins despite Lou and not because of him.
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by Doggie Stalker on
Aug 6, 2008 12:17 AM CDT
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Look at the OPS against though...
Wuertz gives up an OPS of .743. Howry: .875. That’s a BIG difference. Wuertz walks more guys, but gives up a lot fewer hits and a lot fewer extra base hits. The WHIP is virtually identical (Howry is slightly better in WHIP) but Howry more than negates that advantage by giving up a lot more bases on the hits he allows.
This season, I think Wuertz has been a more effective pitcher.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 6, 2008 7:21 AM CDT
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Lou hates walks...it's that simple.
Whether we agree or disagree, that’s his outlook. I imagine Wuertz will get a september callup anyway. However, as analyzed above, I think Lieber will be the odd man out at some point. He’s 38, has been injured, and doesn’t have much left in the tank, methinks.
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Cub Killers
If we can forget about Howry for a bit, certain players, Carlos Lee among them, have feasted off of Cubs pitching over the yyears (no matter who was pitching).
Any thoughts out there on who were some of the other “Cub Killers?”
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