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Sixty-Nine: Cubs 11, Astros 4

What, you thought that was some kind of sex reference? On this site?

Sixty-nine is, of course, the number of wins the Cubs have after today's outstanding 11-4 Cubs win over the Astros, the last of twenty games in twenty consecutive days following the All-Star break, during which the Cubs went 12-8 and increased their lead in the NL Central by half a game over the Brewers. If you check the "Best Starts Since 1900" box I've been keeping on the right sidebar for a couple of months, you'll see that only twelve Cub teams in the last 108 years have played 115 games with a better record than this year's 69-46 version.

That includes six pennant winners and the ill-fated 1969 team, which had just about reached its highest point right at about this time of the season, the first week of August. The 1908 team and the 1984 team didn't get hot till after the 115th game -- many of you probably remember the four-game sweep of the Mets at Wrigley Field in mid-August 1984, during which Keith Moreland and Ed Lynch got into a bench-clearing brawl after Lynch, then a Mets pitcher, brushed Moreland back.

The 2008 Cubs are creating their own history, of course, and today they just kept on rolling. That sounds clichéd, but it really isn't -- every day, there's a new way of winning, and new heroes, proving today once again that this is a complete team, not just one or two superstars carrying a club (although Alfonso Soriano can certainly do that, and has been leading the charge since he returned from the DL).

Today, after Jason Marquis likely got all the Marquis-haters here riled up after he allowed the Astros four runs after two were out and no one on in the third, capped by a Carlos Lee three-run jack (man, does that guy love hitting in Wrigley or what). The key at-bat in that inning was Hunter Pence drawing a walk after Marquis had him down 0-2. The Lee HR put the Astros up 4-1, and the Cubs looked a bit flat in the first two innings except for the back-to-back doubles by Jim Edmonds and Mark DeRosa that had given the Cubs a brief 1-0 lead.

They followed that top of the third with perhaps their best inning of the year -- scoring eight runs after two were out; with those two out and Ryan Theriot on with a single, Aramis Ramirez and Edmonds drew walks. Whoever posted in the pregame thread that if the Cubs waited Brandon Backe out, that would be the key to winning, had it exactly right. After those two walks, DeRo hit his fourth career grand slam, giving him five RBI for the day and 63 for the season, leaving him only eleven short of his career high set in 2006 with the Rangers. After another double by Kosuke Fukudome, the Astros intentionally walked Geovany Soto, only to have Marquis hit yet another double, driving in a run, and Soriano capped it off with his 21st homer.

Since returning from the DL, Soriano is hitting .348/.375/.697 with 6 HR and 14 RBI, and the Cubs have gone 11-4 in the 15 games.

Carrying a team? I'd say so. But again, Soriano's blow today only put the game away; the Cubs added two more in the next inning by drawing a couple more walks. They had six in all off Backe, who was clearly asked to take one for the team today; he allowed eleven earned runs and threw 99 pitches to get ten outs and his ERA went from 4.72 to 5.35.

Meanwhile, after allowing the Lee HR, Marquis settled down and allowed only two hits; the bases got loaded in the fourth on a strange ground ball where the Cubs IF didn't quite seem to know where to throw the ball -- there were two out and it seemed as if DeRosa forgot that; he could have just thrown to first but tried for a force play that failed. It didn't matter as Hunter Pence flied to center to end the inning. After that Marquis retired seven of the next eight hitters and might have had enough to finish the seventh inning had Aramis Ramirez not pulled Derrek Lee off first base on a ground ball by probably the slowest player on the field, Humberto Quintero. When Marquis left in favor of Sean Marshall he got probably the warmest applause he's had in his year and two-thirds as a Cub.

Say what you want about Marquis -- he does exactly what he's asked to do, eat up innings and keep his team in the game. He has now thrown at least six innings in nine of his last ten starts, and that probably makes him the best fifth starter in the league. That's a bold statement and I don't have time to make statistical comparisons with other NL fifth starters, so if anyone here wants to do that, go right ahead.

Today, BCB reader Rudey was the one who emailed me first and bought my extra tickets. Nice to meet you and hope you enjoyed the game.

The Brewers beat the Reds this afternoon so the Cubs' lead in the Central stays at five games; the Cardinals will play the Dodgers tonight and tomorrow afternoon and after last night's rain-delayed, extra-inning game in St. Louis, the best thing we can hope for is two more games just like that one, so that the Cardinals arrive in Chicago for Friday's game exhausted, while the Cubs enjoy their well-earned off day tomorrow.

You enjoy it too. Onward in this remarkable, wonderful season.

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Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.

by Bricks and Ivy on Aug 6, 2008 5:44 PM CDT   0 recs

that is my first first

Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.

by Bricks and Ivy on Aug 6, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

congratulations

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 6, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what Madonna said

it turned out to be a lie.

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 6, 2008 5:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

People: What happened to Madonna's face?

Answer: She’s amazed by the Cubsmagical season

You oughta stop playing God, case you're not good at it and the position is taken.

by cubbie-swagger on Aug 7, 2008 8:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the more i think about it...

Marquis, if you evaluate him as a fifth starter, is just fine in the rotation. And looking at the rotation, 1-5, it has to be the best in the league.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 6, 2008 5:45 PM CDT   0 recs

I agree .. .

he has his moments where he just drives us nuts but he has pitched ok & kept us in most games. Today he was one bad pitch away from another QS. Also, Jedmonds misplayed that ball in that inning too which contributed. Can’t have defensive lapses when Marquis is on the mound.

"I don’t believe that things go your way," said Lou Piniella, the Cubs manager.
"I believe you make things go your way."

by Basman on Aug 6, 2008 5:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jedmonds took a lot of crap for that in the game thread

and I would therefore like to point out that even if he had his sunglasses on and/or didn’t lose it in the sun, it was still a very tough play. Yes, Jim Edmonds probably should have caught it, but a lot of CFs probably wouldn’t have.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Aug 6, 2008 6:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Soriano also misplayed a ball today.

After the HR, he’s forgiven.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 6, 2008 6:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

After the way this team is playing

everyone is forgiven for their past miscues.

Well, everyone except the Bob, who at this point in the season is lucky to still be a Cub. I don’t knock players, but Howry is the only player on this team I do not have confidence in when in the game.

That’s my opinion and I hope Howry can change it soon.

"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."

by flachimesa on Aug 6, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that's pretty much

our Soriano koan, isn’t it?

by Emelie on Aug 7, 2008 3:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pie catches that ball easily...

Edmonds has clearly lost a few steps. I just hope it doesn’t hurt the team down the road.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Aug 6, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

First !! - damn not !!

Heh heh … he said 69

"I don’t believe that things go your way," said Lou Piniella, the Cubs manager.
"I believe you make things go your way."

by Basman on Aug 6, 2008 5:45 PM CDT   0 recs

Jason Marquis continues to do the job...

Hard to quibble with his performance level in 2008. He has taken the ball every 5th day and generally speaking has kept his team in ballgames and logged innings.

Mark DeRosa shows once again why he is the most underrated ballplayer on the Cubs. All he does is selflessly produce and serve whatever role is asked of him.

On a different note, I wonder if Jon Lieber is going to return from the DL or be banished there all season with his phantom injury. If he does come back, maybe the Cubs DFA Bob Howry.

by MDBNIU on Aug 6, 2008 5:46 PM CDT   0 recs

I don't think Howry will be DFA

when/if Lieber comes back. It just seems like they have much different roles, so only if Lou finds someone to fill Howry’s role (it’s not the long-man role), then maybe.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 6, 2008 5:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Marquis serves a purpose on this team

He won’t be on the playoff roster, so no need to worry about using him too much in the regular season. He eats up innings and keeps the team in the game, even though it is frustrating and annoying at times.

Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs

by nji232 on Aug 6, 2008 5:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Glad to see a few more agree

He’s the 5th starter. Rarely does he ever get rocked and knocked out early. He’s good for 5 to 7 innings, 4 to 6 runs plus he never gets hurt. A lot of teams will take that from the bottom of the rotation.

I know a lot of people wonder about Hendry trying to trade him. I’m not so sure he really tried that much. Of course he listened but I don’t think he actively went out looking to move him.

by rlpete on Aug 6, 2008 5:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Marquis is good at what he is

which is an innings-chewing #5 who throws mostly quality starts. He will never be Cy Young and that’s fine. With a staff this loaded, I think he just suffers by comparison sometimes. I have no problem with him as long as we give him run support. Doesn’t need to be as many runs as we gave him today every time, but if it was, that wouldn’t hurt my feelings either.

"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin

by Goodie1969 on Aug 6, 2008 6:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

amen

i’ve been preaching this message for the last two months now…...leave marquis alone, he is an above average 5th starter

and lets not forget, the guy can pinch run when needed and swings a 2008 andruw jones type bat….don’t overlook that part of his “game”

by cubswynn on Aug 6, 2008 6:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As we've gone over before....

....Lou likes Howry because he throws strikes and competes. If possible, Leiber will be kept on “long rehab” until Sept. 1st if there is no room on the roster.

I believe Lou believes that Howry can work through his issues. Although a few more bad outings, and that might change. So far, Howry’s issues have not significanly cost the Cubs…but that could change…

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Aug 6, 2008 9:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Throwing strikes and competing.

Wonderful. He keeps blowing games and making blowouts close. I wouldn’t use him unless the Cubs are down by 8 runs or more.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 7, 2008 4:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Howry Will Be Important

I haven’t been happy with his performance this season. The Cubs should make the playoffs without his playing a major role. In the playoffs, though, the Cubs are going to need as many dependable arms as possible. I would feel better about the Cubs’ chances in postseason, if Howry was pitching better. He could still turn things around. As crazy as postseason baseball is, he could prove to the Cubs’ bullpen hero.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 7, 2008 7:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lieber must be in Lou's doghouse.

Obviously.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 6, 2008 9:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmmm....

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Aug 6, 2008 9:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just a couple of things I noticed in the recap Al..

Carlos Lee hit a 3 run homer, Berkman and an RBI single right before Lee came up. And Derrek Lee was the one that threw to 2nd on that play that loaded the bases in the 4th, not DeRo. No big deal just thought I’d throw those out there.

More importantly 69 wins, 5 games up, and best record in the NL. Feeling good heading into a much deserved day off

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Aug 6, 2008 5:46 PM CDT   0 recs

You're right about the Lee HR.

I’ll fix that. Thanks.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 6, 2008 5:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe he is also right

about the throw to 2nd by Lee (not DeRo), who was moving to his right on the play, making the throw to second (where Theriot was not covering) the easier play.

"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin

by Goodie1969 on Aug 6, 2008 6:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

Theriot snoozed on covering the bag. Luckily, it didn’t hurt them.

by salparadise23 on Aug 6, 2008 6:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It was confusing to the players...

... and to us too. I couldn’t quite tell who was covering.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 6, 2008 6:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Anyone who's ever read Al

wouldn’t think 69 was a sex reference at all, unless they were going to say “You’re all Bill Hands tonight” or “I’m getting pretty Randy, Hundley.”

Sometimes I’m glad I was too young to remember the summer of ‘69. Except the Bryan Adams song. I remember that.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Aug 6, 2008 5:48 PM CDT   0 recs

69, Dude!

The year of my birth, the current win total, and now thanks to you that Bryan Adams song ricocheting around the cavernous space bewteen my ears. Many thanks… :-)

"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin

by Goodie1969 on Aug 6, 2008 5:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Or this 69

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 6, 2008 6:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The updated lineups for tomorrow's Cubs vs. Spiders game from Gordon's twitter page.

CF Tommy Dowd
SS Harry Lochhead
2B Joe Quinn
RF Dick Harley
C Joe Sugden
1B Tommy Tucker
LF Sport McAllister
3B Suter Sullivan
P Crazy Schmit

LF Soriano
CF Johnson
3B DeRosa
1B Ward
C Blanco
RF Fukudome
SS Cedeno
2B Fontenot
P Howry!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 6, 2008 5:49 PM CDT   0 recs

the 1899 Spiders vs. Howry?

I’d set the Cubs as a -1/2 favorite.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 6, 2008 5:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a day game too....1:20pm start time!

The rumor is Al is doing TMOTTBG.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 6, 2008 5:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"TMOTTBG"?

OK, I’m stumped.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 6, 2008 5:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Take Me Out To The Ballgame...

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 6, 2008 5:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Got it. Thanks!

And no, I won’t be!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 6, 2008 5:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry to hear that.

It’ll be a helluva game. SWL, you good to sing?

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 6, 2008 5:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Al is just playing coy...

“Deep Sheep” tells me he is going to do it.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 6, 2008 6:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I heard that too but only after drinking:

Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 6, 2008 6:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LMAO

“Deep Sheep”? I don’t think I want to know.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 6, 2008 6:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and the spring training '08 hat?

seems like they’re winning when it’s worn…

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 6, 2008 6:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I ain't singin'!

But I would wear the BCB shirt and spring training cap.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 6, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We all look forward to tomorrow and your inspired rendition!

Let beat those Spiders!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 6, 2008 6:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I ordered my BCB Monday.....

Im looking fwd to getting it!

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 6, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i just got mine today.

they go great with cubs wins.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 6, 2008 9:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for buying the shirts!

We’ve gotten over $500 to Project 3000 and I should be getting another check to send soon.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 7, 2008 4:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Now, will this game be at

the West Side Grounds or Wrigley? And will the Cubs have some Orphans throwbacks on?

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 6, 2008 5:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's in Wrigley...

and yes! Cubs will don Orphans unis for the game!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 6, 2008 6:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

outstanding.

can’t wait to see Crazy Schmit pitch. Hopefully the Cubs will get into that bullpen of Sport McAllister and Highball Wilson.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 6, 2008 6:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

McAllister probably won't pitch out of the bullpen tomorrow...

he’s playing LF and only pitches when their up by more than 3 runs.

Wilson is a rookie, and Quinn most likely won’t throw him in a game unless it’s just to get 1 out.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 6, 2008 6:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

good points.

i could see Kid Carsey making an appearance, but if i were the Cubs, I’d be studying reports on Harry Colliflower. Seems like they can take some pitches off him, since he has 41 walks and 8 strikeouts on the year.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 6, 2008 6:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

will we get a play-by-play?

looking to see how kerosene does as a starter

by tim815 on Aug 6, 2008 8:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Could someone explain this to me?

I know who the spiders were, but what is this game you speak of?

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband

by Ross on Aug 6, 2008 6:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The game being played tomorrow silly!

Just look for the pre-game thread about 11:00 am!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 6, 2008 6:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Amen...

I have something to do at work!

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 6, 2008 7:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

DeRo's red-hot as a 2B. Why move him to 3B???

Don’t mess with success!!!!!

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Aug 6, 2008 8:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

just giving Ramirez a day off

he’s played a lot recently.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Aug 6, 2008 8:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's the Cleveland Spiders.

You could probably win with this lineup:

DWard C
Marquis 3B
Zambrano 1B
Cedeno CF
Fontenot SS
Lilly LF
Blanco RF
DeRosa 3B
Howry P

by cwyers on Aug 6, 2008 8:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would love to see that game just to see Hank White in RF....

...and two guys playing third base! ;)

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Aug 6, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

dero needs a day off

go with marshall at third

by tim815 on Aug 6, 2008 9:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is that the new spelling of Bob's name?

HOWRY!

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Aug 6, 2008 9:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ossee Schreckengost and Highball Wilson

are offended they arent in the starting line up.

over/under on number of errors committed by the spiders: 3.5

How did Neifi Perez, Kevin Orie, and Jeremi Gonzalez get Rookie of the League votes in 1997?

by bgsiggy on Aug 6, 2008 9:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I recorded the game

today because I had to go shopping so I will watch it later. Glad to see Marquis came through to get the win today. Glad I wasn’t in the first pitch thread as I hear it was pretty ugly in there. DeRo was the hero today. Love how they share the hitting on this team. It’s great to be a Cub’s fan.

I think I will enjoy the day off tomorrow. Get ready to watch some Bear’s football tomorrow night.

Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!

by sue369 on Aug 6, 2008 6:04 PM CDT   0 recs

It wasn't too bad Sue..

Mainly a lot of Marquis hate is all. Really didn’t see any trolls around. That must have been an important shopping trip to miss a Cubs game..:)

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Aug 6, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

we weren't losing

for long enough, that’s all. Plus, you know, being 23 games over, it’s hard for them to come out and say “same old cubs, just like 2006!”

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Ca