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1969 Survivors Unite!

With the astounding success of the Cubs this year, comparisons have been drawn between this year's edition and the squads from 1984 and 1969.  I was around for the good and bad of 1984, but I was but a mere 4 years old during the year of the Moon and the Mets. 

So what I wanted to know is if any of our fellow BCBers are old enough to recall that triumphant/tragic year.  What was it like being at the Friendly Confines that summer?  Was the team the toast of the town like all the books say?  Who was your favorite player from that team?  And what in your opinion caused the collapse?

By no means am I trying to be a Negative Nancy (or even Sluggo).  All I've heard is how special a year it was and I'd love to hear some first hand stories.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation, Bleed Cubbie Blue, or Al Yellon, editor-in-chief. FanPost opinions are, however, valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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I was just a lad....

....eight years old, to be exact. And I’d been into the Cubs for a couple of years, like many kids because the gams were on TV in the afternoon (but also because I liked playing ball a lot).

I had a kid’s perspective, obviously, but ‘69 totally felt special from where I was. I vividly remember Willie Smith’s HR on Opening Day, and how the whole team just seemed energized all summer. Tons of Cub-related promotions at the supermarkets and so forth. The newspapers would run the “magic number” on the front page every day, my friends and I were all into it, and (the most amazing thing of all) after school started again in September they would actually let us watch the start of the game on TV right at the end of the school day.

You have to remember that it was already a heck of summer – the first moon landing was in July, Woodstock was in August, the political tension was intense, and the radio was playing stuff like “Whole Lotta Love,” “Honky Tonk Women,” “Come Together,” “Proud Mary,” etc.

The Cubs were so good that year – Fergie Jenkins was amazing, and so easy on the mound; Banks was still performing; Billy Williams was understated elegance, Ron Santo was, well, Santo; Kenny Holtzman, Kessinger & Beckert, etc. etc. It just seemed like destiny that they would win.

And when they didn’t, well, it was tough. Every day in September just got more frustrating, and the handful of kids I knew who weren’t into the Cubs had a great time teasing everyone else.

Thanks for asking about this – it was kind of a formative experience, and something I’ve thought about and talked about a lot over the years.

My followup question is, does anyone here remember 1945?

"Eighty-five percent of the world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here." - Lee Elia, 1983

"The only thing that bothers me is that I would never want to destroy the love and what the fans of Chicago are to the Chicago Cubs. I mean, God knows. If there's one pure thing in baseball, it is the fans of Chicago." - Lee Elia, 2008

by CaughtInTheVines on Aug 6, 2008 10:49 PM CDT   1 recs

1945

My dad does. He even went to a WS game, sat in the center field bleachers. Don’t think he reads BCB though.

I became a fan and went to my first game in 1969 – but was very young and don’t remember too much. By ‘70, I was a die-hard and expected them to go all the way. Definition of innocence right there.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Aug 7, 2008 2:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, the Supermarket promos!

Thank you for mentioning those, I have probably my fondest memories of those and of watching games on TV. I vaguely recall the infamous series in NY being on the radio at my friend’s grandfather’s house. Even then for a kid it was pretty disappointing.

I also remember my mom calling me to get out of the bath tub to see the moon landing guys…This country has really gone downhill, in another decade we’ll be China’s whipping boy.

by DudeVf11 on Aug 7, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My first game was in 1969

I was 10 years old in 1969. I went to my very first game at Wrigley June 9, 1969. Wrigley Field was under some renovation at the time so it really was very ugly on the outside but just wonderful on inside. The Cubs lost to the Reds with Fergie on the mound my first game.

Billy Williams was my favorite player from that era. He was fun to watch. But maybe Ken Holtzman’s no hitter was the big highlight that year. I remember celebrating with a weinie roast in the backyard that night.

by billkelly on Aug 6, 2008 10:55 PM CDT   0 recs

I try not to remember much

I have tried to suppress most of my memories from that year except I still hate the Mets!

by billkelly on Aug 6, 2008 10:58 PM CDT   0 recs

I was a 14-year old freshman in high school

and had been a Cubs fan since I was 6. I also have tried to suppress many of those memories. To this day, I cannot watch late season highlights of that year—still too painful.

by bjs on Aug 7, 2008 8:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I barely remember 1969

I do remember Holtzman’s no-hitter. And somewhere at my parents’ house, I do have an autographed mug of the ‘69 Cubs outfield (I think they were giving them away at Jewel). Don Young’s John Hancock is prominent on it, as I recall. Of course.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 6, 2008 10:59 PM CDT   0 recs

I was very young...

...but I do remember certain games (like Holtzman’s no hitter).

That club was very very good (well balanced) and deserved a better fate. They cooled off from mid-August on, but the Mets won that thing, more than the Cubs lost it.

There have been far worse collapses since and the Mets of last year was really really bad.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 6, 2008 11:04 PM CDT   0 recs

I was 11 years old....

..... and saw a lot of games at Wrigley thanks to field trips and the Mt. Prospect Park District. I was at Holtzman’s no hitter where the ball blew back over Billy so he could catch it.

That year, because Leo Durocher had been Willie Mays’ first manager, there was some talk that the Cubs would try and get Mays to plug the hole in center field. I remember calling Bill Berg’s sports talk show on WGN radio and saying I thought it was a great idea because Mays was my favorite player. Berg indulged me, being a kid and all, and said while that would be a good idea, he wasn’t so sure it would happen.

What I remember most was coming home from school and the games being on WGN and getting into the sixth or seventh inning. Santo would click his heels at the end, Dick Selma would wave his towel and lead the Bleacher Bums in cheers, the Bums wearing their yellow hard hats (how many remember THOSE?), and Jack Brickhouse would do his “Hey-Hey call when a Cub homered. We lived for that Hey-Hey call. Durocher got the town excited with the 1967 team, so by ‘69 we all thought it was the Cubs’ time, Then they started losing with regularity, the Mets, just didn’t lose, and the papers kept playing up the Amazin’ Mets angle. You got the feeling it was the Mets’ destiny after a while.

A wasted opportunity to be sure, especially with the benefit of hindsight. Durocher was the best and worst thing for that club.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Aug 6, 2008 11:11 PM CDT   1 recs

hahahhahahaha

that santo quote is absolutely priceless

by grathanial on Aug 6, 2008 11:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A lot of this is exactly my experience...

... I was 12 (turned 13 after the ‘69 season ended). I only went to one game that year—on September 7, probably the most soul-crushing Cub loss I experienced as a kid. They had entered the day 3.5 games ahead, having lost 3 in a row after a 5-game winning streak. But they led the Pirates 5-4 with two out in the 9th. Phil Regan had two strikes on Willie Stargell and he put a ball onto Sheffield to tie it… I can still remember the stunned silence.

The Cubs lost 7-5 in 11 innings and lost four more in a row, including the next night in New York by one run, when Tommie Agee was ruled safe under Randy Hundley’s tag. Hundley jumped about six feet in the air. Replays were inconclusive, but it sure looked to this 12-year-old’s eyes that Agee was out.

Those players became beloved by my generation because we grew up with them and were crushed along with them when they lost, and then failed for four more years before the team was broken up after the 1973 season. Had they won in ‘69 I think they might have won a couple more times before the Santo/Williams/Jenkins Cubs all retired.

Sigh. It still hurts.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 7, 2008 3:28 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Al I think I was there too

I also was 12 and it was the first solo baseball trip for my dad and myself. I hate to say it but I don’t remember specifically if it was the Pirates game we were at but I do remember it as a loss and right after we lost the lead to the Mets.

Funny thing after they lost the lead I was so crushed I handed my favorite hat to my dad and said to burn it. It turns out that dad held on to it and in 89 gave the same hat to my then 12 year old son

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Aug 7, 2008 8:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's awesome...

...the hat part…

by DudeVf11 on Aug 7, 2008 9:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah it was pretty cool

Of course the dog chewed up the hat after it was left in the yard for a week

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Aug 8, 2008 8:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Santo....

.... he said it at Hundley’s fantasy camp this past January. What was really funny was that it didn’t take much prodding for him to say what his first attempts at pronouncing it would have been had no one told him the proper way, which were everything you could imagine and then some.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Aug 7, 2008 7:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I remember it all too well.

The joy of having a red-hot team tearing up the league…until September.

The maddening CF play of Don Young…

The awesome starting rotation (Jenkins, Hands, Holtzman) and one of the best infields 3rd to 1st I’ve ever seen…

Jim Hickman’s late inning HR’s bailing the Cubs out of multiple tight spots…

Billy Williams’ outfield play and tremendous hitting…

Ernie…

And Leo Durocher riding the team into the ground.

The summer that showed us that all things are possible – and that some are more likely than others.

My first real six-string came later.

by MN exile on Aug 7, 2008 12:01 AM CDT   1 recs

I was at Opening Day in '69 - I was 16 years old.

I sat in what was then “general admission” seats in the lower deck along the first base line, but probably about 30 rows up. I went with three friends from high school. Our parents called us in sick so we could go.

Ernie Banks hit home runs the first two times he batted that in that game, a 3 run job in the first, and a two run job in the third. After he hit the second one, as the Cubs took the field for the top of the fourth, the crowd (SRO – everyone knew this was the year the Cubs would break their drought) slowly came to its feet as he ran across the diamond to his position at first base and gave him a slowly building standing ovation. Ernie, in true classy fashion, touched the bill of his cap to acknowledge the fans (nothing more), and then went about his business.

The Cubs were leading in the top of the ninth, 5-2, when Don Money of the Phillies hit a three-run home to tie it. The Phils went ahead in the top of the 11th, 6-5 (the crowd really deflated but didn’t leave), and then Willie Smith hit his pinch hit two run homer to win it in the bottom of the inning. It still remains one of the biggest live sports thrills I’ve ever had. Everyone hung around the ballpark for hours afterwards because no one wanted to let that exquisite feeling go.

It was all we thought about that summer, that we were going to win it all. After each win, Santo’s jumping and clicking heels as he ran to the clubhouse (then down the left field line) always stays with me.

That time was such magic in Chicago. There was no envy from the Sox fans that I recall. Almost everyone wanted the Cubs to win. “CaughtintheVines” post above is right about the papers running the magic number for a long, long time, every day.

And then, the Mets got hot and the Cubs started to slump. I was working at Baskin-Robbins, and at one point when things were really bad, I got a bunch of change, went to the pay-phone in the store, and sent the Cubs a telegram in their clubhouse, just to try and cheer them up. A 16 year old kid thought he could cheer up major league ballplayers, and get them to change their luck.

I remember the pain of realizing the papers had stopped running the magic number anymore. I remember (as does “CaughtintheVines”) the few kids not into the Cubs razzing me mercilessly as they fell behind the Mets because they knew how I was hook, line and sinker into the Cubs (you know how cruel kids are). I believe that, on the day that the Cubs win it all, those kids will think of me, and realize that I was the definition of the hard-core fan, and they weren’t.

That team had four Hall of Famers on it, Jenkins, Banks, Williams and Santo (he’s getting there one day, we just don’t know when). When I posted about the ‘69 Cubs earlier this year, Al replied saying he thought that team may have been the greatest team that didn’t win it all. I agree.

When the Cubs do win, they’ll be winning it for all the Cubs’ teams from before, but I believe that the ‘69 Cubs will find it a little sweeter than most of the other teams. They were the first really good team since ‘45. I hope guys like Banks, Beckert, Kessinger and Hickman can share it with us.

It’s going to be great.

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Aug 7, 2008 12:29 AM CDT   1 recs

"Hey, Hey, Holy Mackeral....no doubt about it...the Cubs are on their way..."

...from the “Go Cubs Go” of that era….

I had never been involved in a pennant race before. That season, I was in 8th grade, and couldn’t wait to get home to watch the end of the Cubs game on WGN. The whole year was - until a certain time – beyond belief. You just knew the Cubs would win - I can remember, to this day, while playing an intermural basketball game—listening to Willie Smith’s opening day walk-off game-winning HR on a tiny AM transisitor radio…the Mp3 player of the time.

1967 & 68 teased us with the promise of the future. It seemed that 1969 would be the year. (I always came home from school and flipped on WGN to see the end of the games…but before this era, you couldn’t tell the difference between the reruns of “The 3 Stooges” and the games that preceeded them. After all, both shows were in black & white…and both, were comedic, but in different ways.)

But then, came late August and September….It just seemed the Cubs would never win again. I will always hate the Mets for the first-ever anguish I suffered over a team. Sure, we can blame Durocher and the Cubs for fading. But…the Mets! They were only in the league SEVEN years…..(the comparisons to the 2003 Marlins are a bit too much sometimes)..how could this have happened?

But, I expected the Cubs to come back in the 70s. They did compete, for a few years….but that was it.

Talk about a Cubs-crazy city….in 1969, the White Sox were busy losing 100 games, and barely drew half a million people. Think about that. They averaged 6-thousand a game. It was as if Chicago had one baseball team. There were ChiSox games that were attended by under 1-thousand people.

In this day and age—that seems impossible, doesn’t it?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 7, 2008 2:28 AM CDT   1 recs

Small correction.

The White Sox lost 100 (actually 106) games in 1970, not 1969. But you’re right, there were two dates - both vs. Kansas City - in September 1970 when they drew under 700 people.

The Cubs had had dates like that before 1967, too—there were at least ten dates in the late 50’s and early 60’s that drew under 1000, the smallest one being this game on September 21, 1966 where the attendance was 530. Yes, five hundred and thirty. There’s that many people lined up for weekday games at the bleachers an hour before the gates open these days.

It was a different era.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 7, 2008 3:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

White Sox

I remember promotional billboards for WFLD, channel 32 around town for them before they got Dick Allen. They had a picture of a non-smiling Bill Melton and said “White Sox- Angry Young Men”. My step-father would say “yeah, I’d be angry too if I played like they did.” Probably the only funny thing my step-father ever said.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Aug 7, 2008 7:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Amazing Attendance Now

When I first started watching the Cubs on TV in the early 1980’s, the bleachers were pretty sparsely populated. The White Sox were outdrawing the Cubs back in those days. Who would have thought back then that Wrigley Field would ever be at or near capacity for every single game? The Cubs in the early 1980’s would have loved to have had the crowd the Peoria Chiefs and Kane County Cougars drew in late July.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 7, 2008 8:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Attendance Game

Prior to 1969, say in the 1950’s and 1960’s (pre-1969) how did the Cubbies attendance compare to the Sox?

Look at those numbers, it was a White Sox town!

by DrCrawdad on Aug 7, 2008 9:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If you qualify today's White Sox attendance by those...

...who are not on parole or probation, then it’s still under one thousand per game.

by DudeVf11 on Aug 7, 2008 9:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ostrich approach...

... hide yourself from some ugly facts, such as Cubbie fans are no angels and certainly no better than Sox fans. This was clearly demonstrated by a couple recent news stories, Cubbie fans attacking and hospitalizing a Brewers fans. And then just before that 3 Cubbie fans attacked a Sox fan and knocked his eye out.

Remind me, how are Cubbie fans better and less criminal in nature than Sox fans?

by DrCrawdad on Aug 7, 2008 10:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We can all dream of the days when it was a "White Sox" town...

...and have a good laugh…even lucking in to a world series hasn’t changed things for the Sarasota Sox and cure them of their inferiority complex. It still matters more to Sox fans that Cubs fans don’t convert or commit suicide, it’s hilarious…

And to your last question, I will remind you that the Astro fans out-viewed the Sarasota Sox fans, and that’ even counting a 100% share of viewers for the Sox at Stateville.

by DudeVf11 on Aug 7, 2008 10:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And speaking of "inferiority complexes"...

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!

99 wins
first place from game 1 to 162

IF that is “lucking into a World Series” (and then sweeping the inferior NL) then have it at.

by DrCrawdad on Aug 7, 2008 11:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow Doc your testy today

I love what you bring to the forum but I gotta ask, did ya get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Aug 8, 2008 8:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Go Cubbies!

What is the name of this blog? Is it bleed CUB blue or bleed CUBBIE blue? Cubbie has been used about 11,000 times on this site, clearly not by me alone. The term Cubbie is even used in a song that WGN radio plays leading to games. So, from what I see the term Cubbie is acceptable. If Cubbie fans don’t like it, perhaps they shouldn’t use it.

Sockie and Sux, I’ve never heard a Sox fan uses those terms. A few envious, jealous Cubbie fans use those terms here.

by DrCrawdad on Aug 9, 2008 9:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For a White Sock fan,

you seem to know an awful lot about the Cubs. Obsess much?

by 60613 on Aug 14, 2008 11:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess that shut me up for good! You win!

Sox = Great Cubs = Bad , It’s proven in math. I now acknowledge that Chicago is a White Sox town.

...too funny.

by DudeVf11 on Aug 8, 2008 7:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no doubt the 2005 sox were a good team

but you have to admit they did get career performances from their entire staff, which is extremely lucky.

And the fact they haven’t really sniffed the post-season since then, until this year, speaks to that fact. I hope they make it to the post this year, though. It would be great to have both Chicago teams playing in October.

by SuperContext on Aug 14, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Attendance Game Quiz

May 12, 1970 Ernie Banks hit his historic 500th Home Run at Wrigley. No doubt thousands, upon thousands were following this historic event by a fan favorite of ‘the most popular team in Chicago.’ No doubt it was a sold-out game, right?

How many were in attendance to witness Bank’s 500th HR?

A. 40,000
B. 37,000
C. 6,000
D. 5,264

by DrCrawdad on Aug 7, 2008 10:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you have a life?

Go be a fan of your team and quit worrying about the Cubs.

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Aug 7, 2008 11:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Mirror, mirror...

”...quit worrying about the Cubs.”

That should be turned around here, quit worrying about the White Sox. Preach it here! For example, on Sunday there were more than 50 posts about the White Sox!

And back in 2005 “San Diego Smooth Jazz” was busy posting antagonistic messages on South Side Sox (later misleadingly described by SDSJazz as posts merely about history).

Cubbie fans, even here, often talk about a Sox fan inferiority complex. Well, what do these psychologist wannabes have to say about Cubbie fans who perpetually feel compelled to say and post ugly smears on Sox fans? How insecure are these people who feel they have to regularly put-down another group of people?

by DrCrawdad on Aug 8, 2008 12:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let me say something about this right now.

I know DrCrawdad personally. He is a good guy and not a troll. He happens to be a Sox fan.

What I’d like to see stop RIGHTFREAKINGNOW is the kneejerk reactions when anyone happens to mention something that might put the White Sox in a positive light. DrCrawdad happens to be correct. Until 1967, when the Cubs awakened from a 20-year slumber, Chicago was becoming a Sox town. Attendance was higher on the South Side. The team there was better. These are facts, not opinions. Silly remarks about “parole and probation” don’t raise the level of discussion here.

After 1967, when the Cubs started contending and the Sox started sucking, that’s when things began to turn around and Chicago became a Cubs town. It really hasn’t changed, despite the Sox winning the WS in ‘05.

I will quibble about DrCrawdad’s post on the attendance the day Ernie Banks hit his 500th HR. Yes, it was 5,294. It was a rainy Tuesday afternoon in May. NO ONE drew well on dates like that in 1970. On the same day Ernie hit that HR - May 12, 1970 - the Mets, who had won the WS the year before and who led the NL in attendance in 1970—drew 8,521 for a home game vs. the Expos.

I’m going to repeat again: I don’t care for the gratuitous slams of the White Sox here. They don’t make anyone look good. If the Cubs are playing the Sox, or ever make a trade with them, then we can talk about those events. Otherwise I’m going to suggest that we just let all that other stuff rest.

Thanks.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 8, 2008 3:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

With due respect, Al...

DrCrawdad doesn’t impress me. He appears to have one purpose on this site…to complain about Cubs’ fans obsession with the White Sox.

My personal history…truth be told, the first game I ever went to was a Sox game in 1977. (Jorge Orta, Chet Lemon vintage Sox). I was a fan of both teams through the late ‘70s and early ‘80s (loved the ‘83 Sox team).

You may be right about the history of Chicago baseball in the ‘50s and ‘60s, but from this Cubs fan, the White Sox are a non-entity to me. I now root for the Yankees (my wife is a fan) and the Rays (hometown team).

Now its time to be the Sancho Panza to Dr “Don Quixote” Crawdad…..

Bleed Cubbie Blue – 344 Sox stories, 345 Sox FanPosts, 4015 Sox Comments
South Side Sox – 169 Cubs stories, 108 Cubs FanPosts, 2775 Cubs Comments

You’re going to tell me there isn’t ONE negative comment about Cubs fans in 2775 Cubs comments on South Side Sox? I find that difficult to believe.

Considering that the membership of this blog is likely larger than the other I’d say the obsession runs equally both ways.

Now onto our fearless poster here:

Dr. Crawdad
  1. of posts on South Side Sox = 7
  2. of posts on this site = 1331

Please Dr., find something else to do with your time….

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Aug 8, 2008 9:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for your concern...

... but I don’t ask for nor do I need your permission to post here.

Thanks for your examination of my posts. But as Al knows, and as I’ve explained many times here previously, I don’t post on SouthSide Sox (except for those few that you’ve found in your research). But since you’re interested I post on regularly on three other Sox discussion sites. My post total from two of the three is much, much higher than here.

...the White Sox are a non-entity to me.

Several posters here have made similar comments. One poster here recently said that she “didn’t give a damn about the Sox.” She demonstrates her non-interest by 50+ posts about the Sox.

I hear frequently here that Cubbie fans don’t pay attention to the Sox. Then last Sunday there were 50+ posts about the Sox here.

Considering how Cubbie fans here have proven to be a bit disingenuous regarding the Sox, pardon me if I’m skeptical of your claim.


Please Dr., find something else to do with your time….

Here you go!

by DrCrawdad on Aug 9, 2008 9:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Your skepticism of my claims and $ 0.50 won't buy me a cup of coffee...

I know plenty of Sox fans who obsess over disrespect by Cub fans, and you’re clearly one of them….

What a sad, sad waste of time you are…

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Aug 9, 2008 10:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I also note, for the record, you don't refute my basic premise, above...

...that the obsessions with the other team run both ways…

Again, what is your purpose here?

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Aug 9, 2008 10:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Purpose?
I know DrCrawdad personally. He is a good guy and not a troll. He happens to be a Sox fan. - Al Yellon

Yes that’s right, I’m here on purpose.

by DrCrawdad on Aug 9, 2008 10:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep, I know Al seems to like you...

..I don’t. And again you ignore the facts I have laid out.

Good day to you sir….

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Aug 9, 2008 10:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Facts?

Facts? What facts? The only facts you’ve posted were post counts.

I didn’t know that I needed a mission statement in order to post here and submit it for your approval.

And from the tone of your comments it seems clear to me that you are not really interested in my answers.

by DrCrawdad on Aug 9, 2008 11:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No, not really...

You’re a one-note tuba around these parts…

Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman

by NotSure on Aug 9, 2008 11:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You are right, that post did suck

 and that’s somewhat out of chAracter for me. I apologize. But you didn’t post the ‘historical perspective’ essay. That one must not have sucked.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 14, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Great Stories Folks, Thanks!

This fanpost is what I hoped it would be. Sure wish I couldv’e been around then, despite what ultimately happened.

"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl

by CaliCub on Aug 7, 2008 7:51 AM CDT   0 recs

Thanks for starting it

I agree: great comments here. I’ve recommended the diary so that hopefully everyone, especially those of us who weren’t around in 1969, gets a chance to read these stories.

by John Q Freejazz on Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Watched the '69 Cubs from afar

An elder relative was a huge Durocher fan and he pulled me onto the Cubs bandwagon a couple of years prior in ‘67. As a youngster of 14 years, we experienced the ‘69 roller coaster ride from a living room in New Orleans on our huge new nineteen inch color television (big furniture back then for those that remember). I can remember that poster of Ernie Banks on my bedroom wall, and began my enduring admiration for Ron Santo. Nice memories until September…...

by Cajuncub on Aug 7, 2008 8:16 AM CDT   0 recs

The bitter memories are burned into my mind.

I was a hard core Cub fan in high school during the 69 season. My friends really poured it on during the August swoon as the Cubs would find new ways to lose and the Mets new ways to win each night. That was my first real bitter disapointment that comes from getting your hopes built up and slowly seeing them dashed to bits. I will never be able to root for the Mets under any circumstances.

1969 turned out to be a year of bitter disapointments for me with sports. I was an equally rabid Baltimore Colts fan and was fully basking in the glory of experiencing a Super Bowl winner. The upset by the Jets was more bitter for me because it was so shocking and sudden. Losing to two underdog New York teams in the same year was just about more than I could take and the abuse I took was brutal. Funny how memories of these events can be so vivid all these years later.

by billybuck on Aug 7, 2008 8:18 AM CDT   0 recs

I was 7 in '69

But I do have some hazy memories of that season. It was the season that I truly became aware of baseball. I remember Holtzman’s no-hitter, Santo clicking his heals after wins, Fergie’s strong pitching. I seem to remember Jim Hickman coming up with some big hits that year. The collapse was painful for me as it was for everyone else. Unlike many though, at the timeI didn’t realize the significance of ‘69 compared to the previous couple of decades. Now I realize it all too well.

by madmf on Aug 7, 2008 8:49 AM CDT   0 recs

I remember as well

I started following them in 1968 as a ten year old as a lot of my family were Cubs fans. 1969 was my first full season. I had pictures of Banks and Williams (still do), the press guide and a series of little biographies of each player that I cut out from one of the Chicago papers.

It’s enjoyable following the team now but it’s not the same as when you are a kid. The players seem so much bigger and better. It wasn’t until I got a lot older that I realized that Kessinger and Beckert weren’t good leadoff hitters. As a kid I though they were great.

by rlpete on Aug 7, 2008 9:03 AM CDT   0 recs

What a season

I was 10½ years old that summer, I remember Opening Day, running home from school to finally see the Cubs on TV again after a long winter. Willie Smith’s homer electrified anyone that was a Cubs fan and that carried over most of the season. When they started winning, which felt like every day, it was a giddy feeling. It was all Cubs, all of the time on the radio stations, TV and newspapers.

The players would do autograph signings around the city, and I remember my Mom almost getting trampled in the Dunkin Donut parking lot on 63rd St., west of Midway, trying to get Ernie’s autograph. I got Ron Santo to sign a ball for me that summer (I still have it, of course) when he was at another promotion on the South SIde. We had the Cubs Power record, my brother and I played it all the time. If a gas station was giving away Cubs glasses or mugs, we were there.

Like others have said, the summer of 1969 was special for other things. The Apollo 11 mission, the music, things like that. I am still hooked on the moon missions, I read everything I can on them.

We went to a couple of games that summer, and I remember the excitement the night before. My brother and I couldn’t sleep. My Mom would make meat loaf sandwiches and we would get up early to take the Rock Island downtown and then get on the bus. We would get there before the gates opened, and would watch batting practice. By the time we got home that night, it was a long day for a kid. I would take the scorecard from the game and a piece of notebook paper and trace the lines to make a new card for the next game so I could score at home. Eventually, I would get bored again with scoring after a few games.

We all felt in our hearts we would go all the way. When the team finally wore down and that sinking feeling hit us (kind of like this year after the ASB LOL) we kind of went into denial, that this isn’t happening. I, too, felt the Cubs choked, but when I got older and read Rick Talley’s book, I realized that the Mets played unbelievable ball down the stretch, and as much as the Cubs maybe had given it to them, they won so many games in those last 2 months that I guess they deserved it. I dislike the Mets, but I don’t have the level of hate that Ronnie has.

We watched Holtzman’s no-no, that was one of the most exciting games I have ever seen. We watched every inning of every game that we possibly could. I remember listeng to the games on the radio in bed when they were on their West Coast swing (IIRC, those games weren’t televised). Jack, Vince and Lou were the best. I miss them all to this day.

Good times, and this year feels pretty much the same, except now I’m older and have had my heart broken a few times by this team. I can’t imagine the joy I’ll feel when we do win it all. In all honesty, it will be one of the best days of my life. To hear “Go Cubs Go” resonating through Wrigley Field after winning the WS will surely bring me to my knees.

Go Cubs!

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Aug 7, 2008 9:04 AM CDT   1 recs

I was six in '69

and not really a fan yet (I consider ‘71 my “rookie season”) but I do have vivid memories of that summer anyway. I remember that the local Jewel stores had stands set up near the entrance where they sold Cubs memrobalia- my Dad would try to not-so-subtley start my brother and I down the road to fandom by buying us “Cub Power” t-shirts and hats. I still have mugs with the facsimile autographs of the ‘69 infield and bullpen on my shelf.
Another vivid memory of that summer would be watching my Mom and Dad watching Holtzman’s no-hitter in August and wondering why they were insisting that I be quiet, etc.
In a way though, I’m almost gald I wasn’t more aware of the season-it saved me some heartbreak.
My worst moment as a Cubs fan would definitely be when they dropped game 5 to the Padres in ‘84. I remember being so sure that they were finally going to the World Series that year and already making plans to road trip home from college to experience. That’s the one that still hurts for me.

by bluekoolaide on Aug 7, 2008 9:40 AM CDT   0 recs

1969 still hurts

I was 12 years old and living in Los Angeles putting up with all my friends who were Dodgers fans. My family left Chicago when I was 7 but my brother who was 14 at the time would not tolerate me becoming a Dodgers fan so he basically brainwashed me into becoming a Cubs fan. In a previous post, I did mention going to Wrigley Field before we moved and seeing Ernie hit three homeruns so my brother didn’t have to work to hard to make sure I stayed a fan.

My brother and I were so excited that year but when they started losing the pain was so bad I still feel it. It was bad enough that we were losing but to have my friends ribbing me about it was just horrible.
My favorite player was Ernie Banks but I just loved all the guys on that ‘69 team.

The 1984 season ending pain was plenty bad too but I was much older then and could handle it better.
So because of 1969, I am cautiously optimistic about this year and at times find myself getting really excited but then remind myself of what I could be setting myself up for. The script has to change sometime dosen’t it? I sure hope so.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Aug 7, 2008 10:30 AM CDT   0 recs

Just missed it

I was around but just a little too young to have gotten into the Cubs. For whatever reason ( and there was little reason) I became a Cubs fanatic in 71. I lived close enough
to just start going to games on my own ( luckily my parents figured it was safe for a 10 year old to do that). I certainly heard enough about 69 back then but I could just watch
many, many years of really bad teams without that particular memory.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 7, 2008 10:50 AM CDT   0 recs

never got over it

I was a senior in high school that year. It seemed the perfect year to graduate, and also have the Cubs win the whole thing. Since there had been no previous signs of a Cub team collapsing, every fan I knew ( and the papers as well) were VERY confident. Since those dark days of Sept. ‘69 I’ve been scarred for life, never really able to feel confident about a Cub team again. I lived in the Murphysboro / Carbondale area then, & could only follow the team via WGN radio (no close radio outlets in those days). Had to sit with my car radio parked in a certain spot in town where I could pick it up enough to hear. I can tell you, losing for a whole month is worse that losing quick in a playoff series. The days just dragged on, you kept thinking, “maybe today it will change” then more misery.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Aug 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT   0 recs

i was four

but (secondhand info) happy to be moving to chicagoland in 1969. i was getting dirty elbows from reading the newspapers. we moved to suburbia (bolingbrook, actually) on september 1st. they swept a twinbill from the reds on my first day in town. you all know the rest.

oh, to have picked up a centerfielder along the way.

by tim815 on Aug 7, 2008 12:35 PM CDT   0 recs

Funny I was just playing my Cub Power record just the other day, anybody else still have one?

Alabebo… alabebo… ala bibo… ala be bo bi bo bum!

Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is now way to go through life son.

by alabebo on Aug 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT   0 recs

I was 19 that summer and thought for sure that it would finally happen

My family left La Grange in 1956 and moved to northern New Jersey. As a 4th generation Cubs fan, I stayed loyal to the Cubs over the ensuing years, enduring the taunts and ridicule of the Yankee fans in my neighborhood and in my school.

A write-up about the Cubs successful season even appeared in the NY Times Sunday Magazine that August, and I thought for sure that it was finally going to happen.

As my dad and I drove back to my college that Labor Day weekend, the Cubs were still clinging to first place – a position that they had held since Opening Day.

But on Sept. 10th – a day that Cubs fan and columnist George Will once said “will live in infamy” – the Cubs lost and the National League team from Ne