1969 Survivors Unite!
With the astounding success of the Cubs this year, comparisons have been drawn between this year's edition and the squads from 1984 and 1969. I was around for the good and bad of 1984, but I was but a mere 4 years old during the year of the Moon and the Mets.
So what I wanted to know is if any of our fellow BCBers are old enough to recall that triumphant/tragic year. What was it like being at the Friendly Confines that summer? Was the team the toast of the town like all the books say? Who was your favorite player from that team? And what in your opinion caused the collapse?
By no means am I trying to be a Negative Nancy (or even Sluggo). All I've heard is how special a year it was and I'd love to hear some first hand stories.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, editor-in-chief (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.
7 recs |
98 comments
Comments
I was just a lad....
....eight years old, to be exact. And I’d been into the Cubs for a couple of years, like many kids because the gams were on TV in the afternoon (but also because I liked playing ball a lot).
I had a kid’s perspective, obviously, but ‘69 totally felt special from where I was. I vividly remember Willie Smith’s HR on Opening Day, and how the whole team just seemed energized all summer. Tons of Cub-related promotions at the supermarkets and so forth. The newspapers would run the “magic number” on the front page every day, my friends and I were all into it, and (the most amazing thing of all) after school started again in September they would actually let us watch the start of the game on TV right at the end of the school day.
You have to remember that it was already a heck of summer – the first moon landing was in July, Woodstock was in August, the political tension was intense, and the radio was playing stuff like “Whole Lotta Love,” “Honky Tonk Women,” “Come Together,” “Proud Mary,” etc.
The Cubs were so good that year – Fergie Jenkins was amazing, and so easy on the mound; Banks was still performing; Billy Williams was understated elegance, Ron Santo was, well, Santo; Kenny Holtzman, Kessinger & Beckert, etc. etc. It just seemed like destiny that they would win.
And when they didn’t, well, it was tough. Every day in September just got more frustrating, and the handful of kids I knew who weren’t into the Cubs had a great time teasing everyone else.
Thanks for asking about this – it was kind of a formative experience, and something I’ve thought about and talked about a lot over the years.
My followup question is, does anyone here remember 1945?
"Eighty-five percent of the world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here." - Lee Elia, 1983
"The only thing that bothers me is that I would never want to destroy the love and what the fans of Chicago are to the Chicago Cubs. I mean, God knows. If there's one pure thing in baseball, it is the fans of Chicago." - Lee Elia, 2008
by CaughtInTheVines on
Aug 6, 2008 10:49 PM CDT
reply
actions
1 recs
1945
My dad does. He even went to a WS game, sat in the center field bleachers. Don’t think he reads BCB though.
I became a fan and went to my first game in 1969 – but was very young and don’t remember too much. By ‘70, I was a die-hard and expected them to go all the way. Definition of innocence right there.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Aug 7, 2008 2:40 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Yes, the Supermarket promos!
Thank you for mentioning those, I have probably my fondest memories of those and of watching games on TV. I vaguely recall the infamous series in NY being on the radio at my friend’s grandfather’s house. Even then for a kid it was pretty disappointing.
I also remember my mom calling me to get out of the bath tub to see the moon landing guys…This country has really gone downhill, in another decade we’ll be China’s whipping boy.
by DudeVf11 on
Aug 7, 2008 9:40 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
My first game was in 1969
I was 10 years old in 1969. I went to my very first game at Wrigley June 9, 1969. Wrigley Field was under some renovation at the time so it really was very ugly on the outside but just wonderful on inside. The Cubs lost to the Reds with Fergie on the mound my first game.
Billy Williams was my favorite player from that era. He was fun to watch. But maybe Ken Holtzman’s no hitter was the big highlight that year. I remember celebrating with a weinie roast in the backyard that night.
by billkelly on
Aug 6, 2008 10:55 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
I try not to remember much
I have tried to suppress most of my memories from that year except I still hate the Mets!
by billkelly on
Aug 6, 2008 10:58 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
I was a 14-year old freshman in high school
and had been a Cubs fan since I was 6. I also have tried to suppress many of those memories. To this day, I cannot watch late season highlights of that year—still too painful.
by bjs on
Aug 7, 2008 8:01 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
I barely remember 1969
I do remember Holtzman’s no-hitter. And somewhere at my parents’ house, I do have an autographed mug of the ‘69 Cubs outfield (I think they were giving them away at Jewel). Don Young’s John Hancock is prominent on it, as I recall. Of course.
by Not Bruce Froemming on
Aug 6, 2008 10:59 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
I was very young...
...but I do remember certain games (like Holtzman’s no hitter).
That club was very very good (well balanced) and deserved a better fate. They cooled off from mid-August on, but the Mets won that thing, more than the Cubs lost it.
There have been far worse collapses since and the Mets of last year was really really bad.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Aug 6, 2008 11:04 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
I was 11 years old....
..... and saw a lot of games at Wrigley thanks to field trips and the Mt. Prospect Park District. I was at Holtzman’s no hitter where the ball blew back over Billy so he could catch it.
That year, because Leo Durocher had been Willie Mays’ first manager, there was some talk that the Cubs would try and get Mays to plug the hole in center field. I remember calling Bill Berg’s sports talk show on WGN radio and saying I thought it was a great idea because Mays was my favorite player. Berg indulged me, being a kid and all, and said while that would be a good idea, he wasn’t so sure it would happen.
What I remember most was coming home from school and the games being on WGN and getting into the sixth or seventh inning. Santo would click his heels at the end, Dick Selma would wave his towel and lead the Bleacher Bums in cheers, the Bums wearing their yellow hard hats (how many remember THOSE?), and Jack Brickhouse would do his “Hey-Hey call when a Cub homered. We lived for that Hey-Hey call. Durocher got the town excited with the 1967 team, so by ‘69 we all thought it was the Cubs’ time, Then they started losing with regularity, the Mets, just didn’t lose, and the papers kept playing up the Amazin’ Mets angle. You got the feeling it was the Mets’ destiny after a while.
A wasted opportunity to be sure, especially with the benefit of hindsight. Durocher was the best and worst thing for that club.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on
Aug 6, 2008 11:11 PM CDT
reply
actions
1 recs
hahahhahahaha
that santo quote is absolutely priceless
by grathanial on
Aug 6, 2008 11:29 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
A lot of this is exactly my experience...
... I was 12 (turned 13 after the ‘69 season ended). I only went to one game that year—on September 7, probably the most soul-crushing Cub loss I experienced as a kid. They had entered the day 3.5 games ahead, having lost 3 in a row after a 5-game winning streak. But they led the Pirates 5-4 with two out in the 9th. Phil Regan had two strikes on Willie Stargell and he put a ball onto Sheffield to tie it… I can still remember the stunned silence.
The Cubs lost 7-5 in 11 innings and lost four more in a row, including the next night in New York by one run, when Tommie Agee was ruled safe under Randy Hundley’s tag. Hundley jumped about six feet in the air. Replays were inconclusive, but it sure looked to this 12-year-old’s eyes that Agee was out.
Those players became beloved by my generation because we grew up with them and were crushed along with them when they lost, and then failed for four more years before the team was broken up after the 1973 season. Had they won in ‘69 I think they might have won a couple more times before the Santo/Williams/Jenkins Cubs all retired.
Sigh. It still hurts.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 3:28 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
1 recs
Al I think I was there too
I also was 12 and it was the first solo baseball trip for my dad and myself. I hate to say it but I don’t remember specifically if it was the Pirates game we were at but I do remember it as a loss and right after we lost the lead to the Mets.
Funny thing after they lost the lead I was so crushed I handed my favorite hat to my dad and said to burn it. It turns out that dad held on to it and in 89 gave the same hat to my then 12 year old son
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on
Aug 7, 2008 8:19 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Yeah it was pretty cool
Of course the dog chewed up the hat after it was left in the yard for a week
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on
Aug 8, 2008 8:00 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Santo....
.... he said it at Hundley’s fantasy camp this past January. What was really funny was that it didn’t take much prodding for him to say what his first attempts at pronouncing it would have been had no one told him the proper way, which were everything you could imagine and then some.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on
Aug 7, 2008 7:22 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
I remember it all too well.
The joy of having a red-hot team tearing up the league…until September.
The maddening CF play of Don Young…
The awesome starting rotation (Jenkins, Hands, Holtzman) and one of the best infields 3rd to 1st I’ve ever seen…
Jim Hickman’s late inning HR’s bailing the Cubs out of multiple tight spots…
Billy Williams’ outfield play and tremendous hitting…
Ernie…
And Leo Durocher riding the team into the ground.
The summer that showed us that all things are possible – and that some are more likely than others.
My first real six-string came later.
by MN exile on
Aug 7, 2008 12:01 AM CDT
reply
actions
1 recs
I was at Opening Day in '69 - I was 16 years old.
I sat in what was then “general admission” seats in the lower deck along the first base line, but probably about 30 rows up. I went with three friends from high school. Our parents called us in sick so we could go.
Ernie Banks hit home runs the first two times he batted that in that game, a 3 run job in the first, and a two run job in the third. After he hit the second one, as the Cubs took the field for the top of the fourth, the crowd (SRO – everyone knew this was the year the Cubs would break their drought) slowly came to its feet as he ran across the diamond to his position at first base and gave him a slowly building standing ovation. Ernie, in true classy fashion, touched the bill of his cap to acknowledge the fans (nothing more), and then went about his business.
The Cubs were leading in the top of the ninth, 5-2, when Don Money of the Phillies hit a three-run home to tie it. The Phils went ahead in the top of the 11th, 6-5 (the crowd really deflated but didn’t leave), and then Willie Smith hit his pinch hit two run homer to win it in the bottom of the inning. It still remains one of the biggest live sports thrills I’ve ever had. Everyone hung around the ballpark for hours afterwards because no one wanted to let that exquisite feeling go.
It was all we thought about that summer, that we were going to win it all. After each win, Santo’s jumping and clicking heels as he ran to the clubhouse (then down the left field line) always stays with me.
That time was such magic in Chicago. There was no envy from the Sox fans that I recall. Almost everyone wanted the Cubs to win. “CaughtintheVines” post above is right about the papers running the magic number for a long, long time, every day.
And then, the Mets got hot and the Cubs started to slump. I was working at Baskin-Robbins, and at one point when things were really bad, I got a bunch of change, went to the pay-phone in the store, and sent the Cubs a telegram in their clubhouse, just to try and cheer them up. A 16 year old kid thought he could cheer up major league ballplayers, and get them to change their luck.
I remember the pain of realizing the papers had stopped running the magic number anymore. I remember (as does “CaughtintheVines”) the few kids not into the Cubs razzing me mercilessly as they fell behind the Mets because they knew how I was hook, line and sinker into the Cubs (you know how cruel kids are). I believe that, on the day that the Cubs win it all, those kids will think of me, and realize that I was the definition of the hard-core fan, and they weren’t.
That team had four Hall of Famers on it, Jenkins, Banks, Williams and Santo (he’s getting there one day, we just don’t know when). When I posted about the ‘69 Cubs earlier this year, Al replied saying he thought that team may have been the greatest team that didn’t win it all. I agree.
When the Cubs do win, they’ll be winning it for all the Cubs’ teams from before, but I believe that the ‘69 Cubs will find it a little sweeter than most of the other teams. They were the first really good team since ‘45. I hope guys like Banks, Beckert, Kessinger and Hickman can share it with us.
It’s going to be great.
IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!
by Cubfansince1957 on
Aug 7, 2008 12:29 AM CDT
reply
actions
1 recs
"Hey, Hey, Holy Mackeral....no doubt about it...the Cubs are on their way..."
...from the “Go Cubs Go” of that era….
I had never been involved in a pennant race before. That season, I was in 8th grade, and couldn’t wait to get home to watch the end of the Cubs game on WGN. The whole year was - until a certain time – beyond belief. You just knew the Cubs would win - I can remember, to this day, while playing an intermural basketball game—listening to Willie Smith’s opening day walk-off game-winning HR on a tiny AM transisitor radio…the Mp3 player of the time.
1967 & 68 teased us with the promise of the future. It seemed that 1969 would be the year. (I always came home from school and flipped on WGN to see the end of the games…but before this era, you couldn’t tell the difference between the reruns of “The 3 Stooges” and the games that preceeded them. After all, both shows were in black & white…and both, were comedic, but in different ways.)
But then, came late August and September….It just seemed the Cubs would never win again. I will always hate the Mets for the first-ever anguish I suffered over a team. Sure, we can blame Durocher and the Cubs for fading. But…the Mets! They were only in the league SEVEN years…..(the comparisons to the 2003 Marlins are a bit too much sometimes)..how could this have happened?
But, I expected the Cubs to come back in the 70s. They did compete, for a few years….but that was it.
Talk about a Cubs-crazy city….in 1969, the White Sox were busy losing 100 games, and barely drew half a million people. Think about that. They averaged 6-thousand a game. It was as if Chicago had one baseball team. There were ChiSox games that were attended by under 1-thousand people.
In this day and age—that seems impossible, doesn’t it?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Aug 7, 2008 2:28 AM CDT
reply
actions
1 recs
Small correction.
The White Sox lost 100 (actually 106) games in 1970, not 1969. But you’re right, there were two dates - both vs. Kansas City - in September 1970 when they drew under 700 people.
The Cubs had had dates like that before 1967, too—there were at least ten dates in the late 50’s and early 60’s that drew under 1000, the smallest one being this game on September 21, 1966 where the attendance was 530. Yes, five hundred and thirty. There’s that many people lined up for weekday games at the bleachers an hour before the gates open these days.
It was a different era.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 3:42 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
White Sox
I remember promotional billboards for WFLD, channel 32 around town for them before they got Dick Allen. They had a picture of a non-smiling Bill Melton and said “White Sox- Angry Young Men”. My step-father would say “yeah, I’d be angry too if I played like they did.” Probably the only funny thing my step-father ever said.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on
Aug 7, 2008 7:28 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Amazing Attendance Now
When I first started watching the Cubs on TV in the early 1980’s, the bleachers were pretty sparsely populated. The White Sox were outdrawing the Cubs back in those days. Who would have thought back then that Wrigley Field would ever be at or near capacity for every single game? The Cubs in the early 1980’s would have loved to have had the crowd the Peoria Chiefs and Kane County Cougars drew in late July.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
Aug 7, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
The Attendance Game
Prior to 1969, say in the 1950’s and 1960’s (pre-1969) how did the Cubbies attendance compare to the Sox?
Look at those numbers, it was a White Sox town!
by DrCrawdad on
Aug 7, 2008 9:49 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
If you qualify today's White Sox attendance by those...
...who are not on parole or probation, then it’s still under one thousand per game.
by DudeVf11 on
Aug 7, 2008 9:51 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Ostrich approach...
... hide yourself from some ugly facts, such as Cubbie fans are no angels and certainly no better than Sox fans. This was clearly demonstrated by a couple recent news stories, Cubbie fans attacking and hospitalizing a Brewers fans. And then just before that 3 Cubbie fans attacked a Sox fan and knocked his eye out.
Remind me, how are Cubbie fans better and less criminal in nature than Sox fans?
by DrCrawdad on
Aug 7, 2008 10:03 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
We can all dream of the days when it was a "White Sox" town...
...and have a good laugh…even lucking in to a world series hasn’t changed things for the Sarasota Sox and cure them of their inferiority complex. It still matters more to Sox fans that Cubs fans don’t convert or commit suicide, it’s hilarious…
And to your last question, I will remind you that the Astro fans out-viewed the Sarasota Sox fans, and that’ even counting a 100% share of viewers for the Sox at Stateville.
by DudeVf11 on
Aug 7, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
And speaking of "inferiority complexes"...
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!
99 wins
first place from game 1 to 162
IF that is “lucking into a World Series” (and then sweeping the inferior NL) then have it at.
by DrCrawdad on
Aug 7, 2008 11:08 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Wow Doc your testy today
I love what you bring to the forum but I gotta ask, did ya get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on
Aug 8, 2008 8:04 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Yeah especially with saying "Cubbies" EVERY time he mentions the team...
Sockie fans love to do that.
by Canseco's Roid Party on
Aug 8, 2008 3:26 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Go Cubbies!
What is the name of this blog? Is it bleed CUB blue or bleed CUBBIE blue? Cubbie has been used about 11,000 times on this site, clearly not by me alone. The term Cubbie is even used in a song that WGN radio plays leading to games. So, from what I see the term Cubbie is acceptable. If Cubbie fans don’t like it, perhaps they shouldn’t use it.
Sockie and Sux, I’ve never heard a Sox fan uses those terms. A few envious, jealous Cubbie fans use those terms here.
by DrCrawdad on
Aug 9, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
For a White Sock fan,
you seem to know an awful lot about the Cubs. Obsess much?
by 60613 on
Aug 14, 2008 11:32 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
I guess that shut me up for good! You win!
Sox = Great Cubs = Bad , It’s proven in math. I now acknowledge that Chicago is a White Sox town.
...too funny.
by DudeVf11 on
Aug 8, 2008 7:36 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
no doubt the 2005 sox were a good team
but you have to admit they did get career performances from their entire staff, which is extremely lucky.
And the fact they haven’t really sniffed the post-season since then, until this year, speaks to that fact. I hope they make it to the post this year, though. It would be great to have both Chicago teams playing in October.
by SuperContext on
Aug 14, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Attendance Game Quiz
May 12, 1970 Ernie Banks hit his historic 500th Home Run at Wrigley. No doubt thousands, upon thousands were following this historic event by a fan favorite of ‘the most popular team in Chicago.’ No doubt it was a sold-out game, right?
How many were in attendance to witness Bank’s 500th HR?
by DrCrawdad on
Aug 7, 2008 10:22 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Do you have a life?
Go be a fan of your team and quit worrying about the Cubs.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 7, 2008 11:52 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Mirror, mirror...
”...quit worrying about the Cubs.”
That should be turned around here, quit worrying about the White Sox. Preach it here! For example, on Sunday there were more than 50 posts about the White Sox!
And back in 2005 “San Diego Smooth Jazz” was busy posting antagonistic messages on South Side Sox (later misleadingly described by SDSJazz as posts merely about history).
Cubbie fans, even here, often talk about a Sox fan inferiority complex. Well, what do these psychologist wannabes have to say about Cubbie fans who perpetually feel compelled to say and post ugly smears on Sox fans? How insecure are these people who feel they have to regularly put-down another group of people?
by DrCrawdad on
Aug 8, 2008 12:48 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Let me say something about this right now.
I know DrCrawdad personally. He is a good guy and not a troll. He happens to be a Sox fan.
What I’d like to see stop RIGHTFREAKINGNOW is the kneejerk reactions when anyone happens to mention something that might put the White Sox in a positive light. DrCrawdad happens to be correct. Until 1967, when the Cubs awakened from a 20-year slumber, Chicago was becoming a Sox town. Attendance was higher on the South Side. The team there was better. These are facts, not opinions. Silly remarks about “parole and probation” don’t raise the level of discussion here.
After 1967, when the Cubs started contending and the Sox started sucking, that’s when things began to turn around and Chicago became a Cubs town. It really hasn’t changed, despite the Sox winning the WS in ‘05.
I will quibble about DrCrawdad’s post on the attendance the day Ernie Banks hit his 500th HR. Yes, it was 5,294. It was a rainy Tuesday afternoon in May. NO ONE drew well on dates like that in 1970. On the same day Ernie hit that HR - May 12, 1970 - the Mets, who had won the WS the year before and who led the NL in attendance in 1970—drew 8,521 for a home game vs. the Expos.
I’m going to repeat again: I don’t care for the gratuitous slams of the White Sox here. They don’t make anyone look good. If the Cubs are playing the Sox, or ever make a trade with them, then we can talk about those events. Otherwise I’m going to suggest that we just let all that other stuff rest.
Thanks.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 8, 2008 3:53 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
With due respect, Al...
DrCrawdad doesn’t impress me. He appears to have one purpose on this site…to complain about Cubs’ fans obsession with the White Sox.
My personal history…truth be told, the first game I ever went to was a Sox game in 1977. (Jorge Orta, Chet Lemon vintage Sox). I was a fan of both teams through the late ‘70s and early ‘80s (loved the ‘83 Sox team).
You may be right about the history of Chicago baseball in the ‘50s and ‘60s, but from this Cubs fan, the White Sox are a non-entity to me. I now root for the Yankees (my wife is a fan) and the Rays (hometown team).
Now its time to be the Sancho Panza to Dr “Don Quixote” Crawdad…..
Bleed Cubbie Blue – 344 Sox stories, 345 Sox FanPosts, 4015 Sox Comments
South Side Sox – 169 Cubs stories, 108 Cubs FanPosts, 2775 Cubs Comments
You’re going to tell me there isn’t ONE negative comment about Cubs fans in 2775 Cubs comments on South Side Sox? I find that difficult to believe.
Considering that the membership of this blog is likely larger than the other I’d say the obsession runs equally both ways.
Now onto our fearless poster here:
Dr. Crawdad- of posts on South Side Sox = 7
- of posts on this site = 1331
Please Dr., find something else to do with your time….
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 8, 2008 9:03 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Thanks for your concern...
... but I don’t ask for nor do I need your permission to post here.
Thanks for your examination of my posts. But as Al knows, and as I’ve explained many times here previously, I don’t post on SouthSide Sox (except for those few that you’ve found in your research). But since you’re interested I post on regularly on three other Sox discussion sites. My post total from two of the three is much, much higher than here.
...the White Sox are a non-entity to me.
Several posters here have made similar comments. One poster here recently said that she “didn’t give a damn about the Sox.” She demonstrates her non-interest by 50+ posts about the Sox.
I hear frequently here that Cubbie fans don’t pay attention to the Sox. Then last Sunday there were 50+ posts about the Sox here.
Considering how Cubbie fans here have proven to be a bit disingenuous regarding the Sox, pardon me if I’m skeptical of your claim.
Please Dr., find something else to do with your time….
by DrCrawdad on
Aug 9, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Your skepticism of my claims and $ 0.50 won't buy me a cup of coffee...
I know plenty of Sox fans who obsess over disrespect by Cub fans, and you’re clearly one of them….
What a sad, sad waste of time you are…
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 9, 2008 10:18 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
I also note, for the record, you don't refute my basic premise, above...
...that the obsessions with the other team run both ways…
Again, what is your purpose here?
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 9, 2008 10:24 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Purpose?
I know DrCrawdad personally. He is a good guy and not a troll. He happens to be a Sox fan. - Al Yellon
Yes that’s right, I’m here on purpose.
by DrCrawdad on
Aug 9, 2008 10:43 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Yep, I know Al seems to like you...
..I don’t. And again you ignore the facts I have laid out.
Good day to you sir….
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 9, 2008 10:58 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Facts?
Facts? What facts? The only facts you’ve posted were post counts.
I didn’t know that I needed a mission statement in order to post here and submit it for your approval.
And from the tone of your comments it seems clear to me that you are not really interested in my answers.
by DrCrawdad on
Aug 9, 2008 11:07 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
No, not really...
You’re a one-note tuba around these parts…
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on
Aug 9, 2008 11:27 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
You are right, that post did suck
and that’s somewhat out of chAracter for me. I apologize. But you didn’t post the ‘historical perspective’ essay. That one must not have sucked.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Aug 14, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Great Stories Folks, Thanks!
This fanpost is what I hoped it would be. Sure wish I couldv’e been around then, despite what ultimately happened.
"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl
by CaliCub on
Aug 7, 2008 7:51 AM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
Thanks for starting it
I agree: great comments here. I’ve recommended the diary so that hopefully everyone, especially those of us who weren’t around in 1969, gets a chance to read these stories.
by John Q Freejazz on
Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Watched the '69 Cubs from afar
An elder relative was a huge Durocher fan and he pulled me onto the Cubs bandwagon a couple of years prior in ‘67. As a youngster of 14 years, we experienced the ‘69 roller coaster ride from a living room in New Orleans on our huge new nineteen inch color television (big furniture back then for those that remember). I can remember that poster of Ernie Banks on my bedroom wall, and began my enduring admiration for Ron Santo. Nice memories until September…...
by Cajuncub on
Aug 7, 2008 8:16 AM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
The bitter memories are burned into my mind.
I was a hard core Cub fan in high school during the 69 season. My friends really poured it on during the August swoon as the Cubs would find new ways to lose and the Mets new ways to win each night. That was my first real bitter disapointment that comes from getting your hopes built up and slowly seeing them dashed to bits. I will never be able to root for the Mets under any circumstances.
1969 turned out to be a year of bitter disapointments for me with sports. I was an equally rabid Baltimore Colts fan and was fully basking in the glory of experiencing a Super Bowl winner. The upset by the Jets was more bitter for me because it was so shocking and sudden. Losing to two underdog New York teams in the same year was just about more than I could take and the abuse I took was brutal. Funny how memories of these events can be so vivid all these years later.
by billybuck on
Aug 7, 2008 8:18 AM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
I was 7 in '69
But I do have some hazy memories of that season. It was the season that I truly became aware of baseball. I remember Holtzman’s no-hitter, Santo clicking his heals after wins, Fergie’s strong pitching. I seem to remember Jim Hickman coming up with some big hits that year. The collapse was painful for me as it was for everyone else. Unlike many though, at the timeI didn’t realize the significance of ‘69 compared to the previous couple of decades. Now I realize it all too well.
by madmf on
Aug 7, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
I remember as well
I started following them in 1968 as a ten year old as a lot of my family were Cubs fans. 1969 was my first full season. I had pictures of Banks and Williams (still do), the press guide and a series of little biographies of each player that I cut out from one of the Chicago papers.
It’s enjoyable following the team now but it’s not the same as when you are a kid. The players seem so much bigger and better. It wasn’t until I got a lot older that I realized that Kessinger and Beckert weren’t good leadoff hitters. As a kid I though they were great.
by rlpete on
Aug 7, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
What a season
I was 10½ years old that summer, I remember Opening Day, running home from school to finally see the Cubs on TV again after a long winter. Willie Smith’s homer electrified anyone that was a Cubs fan and that carried over most of the season. When they started winning, which felt like every day, it was a giddy feeling. It was all Cubs, all of the time on the radio stations, TV and newspapers.
The players would do autograph signings around the city, and I remember my Mom almost getting trampled in the Dunkin Donut parking lot on 63rd St., west of Midway, trying to get Ernie’s autograph. I got Ron Santo to sign a ball for me that summer (I still have it, of course) when he was at another promotion on the South SIde. We had the Cubs Power record, my brother and I played it all the time. If a gas station was giving away Cubs glasses or mugs, we were there.
Like others have said, the summer of 1969 was special for other things. The Apollo 11 mission, the music, things like that. I am still hooked on the moon missions, I read everything I can on them.
We went to a couple of games that summer, and I remember the excitement the night before. My brother and I couldn’t sleep. My Mom would make meat loaf sandwiches and we would get up early to take the Rock Island downtown and then get on the bus. We would get there before the gates opened, and would watch batting practice. By the time we got home that night, it was a long day for a kid. I would take the scorecard from the game and a piece of notebook paper and trace the lines to make a new card for the next game so I could score at home. Eventually, I would get bored again with scoring after a few games.
We all felt in our hearts we would go all the way. When the team finally wore down and that sinking feeling hit us (kind of like this year after the ASB LOL) we kind of went into denial, that this isn’t happening. I, too, felt the Cubs choked, but when I got older and read Rick Talley’s book, I realized that the Mets played unbelievable ball down the stretch, and as much as the Cubs maybe had given it to them, they won so many games in those last 2 months that I guess they deserved it. I dislike the Mets, but I don’t have the level of hate that Ronnie has.
We watched Holtzman’s no-no, that was one of the most exciting games I have ever seen. We watched every inning of every game that we possibly could. I remember listeng to the games on the radio in bed when they were on their West Coast swing (IIRC, those games weren’t televised). Jack, Vince and Lou were the best. I miss them all to this day.
Good times, and this year feels pretty much the same, except now I’m older and have had my heart broken a few times by this team. I can’t imagine the joy I’ll feel when we do win it all. In all honesty, it will be one of the best days of my life. To hear “Go Cubs Go” resonating through Wrigley Field after winning the WS will surely bring me to my knees.
Go Cubs!
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on
Aug 7, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
reply
actions
1 recs
I hear ya brother, I was 12 in 69 and loved listening to Vince and Lou, and Brick, they were classics
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is now way to go through life son.
by alabebo on
Aug 7, 2008 12:55 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
I was six in '69
and not really a fan yet (I consider ‘71 my “rookie season”) but I do have vivid memories of that summer anyway. I remember that the local Jewel stores had stands set up near the entrance where they sold Cubs memrobalia- my Dad would try to not-so-subtley start my brother and I down the road to fandom by buying us “Cub Power” t-shirts and hats. I still have mugs with the facsimile autographs of the ‘69 infield and bullpen on my shelf.
Another vivid memory of that summer would be watching my Mom and Dad watching Holtzman’s no-hitter in August and wondering why they were insisting that I be quiet, etc.
In a way though, I’m almost gald I wasn’t more aware of the season-it saved me some heartbreak.
My worst moment as a Cubs fan would definitely be when they dropped game 5 to the Padres in ‘84. I remember being so sure that they were finally going to the World Series that year and already making plans to road trip home from college to experience. That’s the one that still hurts for me.
by bluekoolaide on
Aug 7, 2008 9:40 AM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
1969 still hurts
I was 12 years old and living in Los Angeles putting up with all my friends who were Dodgers fans. My family left Chicago when I was 7 but my brother who was 14 at the time would not tolerate me becoming a Dodgers fan so he basically brainwashed me into becoming a Cubs fan. In a previous post, I did mention going to Wrigley Field before we moved and seeing Ernie hit three homeruns so my brother didn’t have to work to hard to make sure I stayed a fan.
My brother and I were so excited that year but when they started losing the pain was so bad I still feel it. It was bad enough that we were losing but to have my friends ribbing me about it was just horrible.
My favorite player was Ernie Banks but I just loved all the guys on that ‘69 team.
The 1984 season ending pain was plenty bad too but I was much older then and could handle it better.
So because of 1969, I am cautiously optimistic about this year and at times find myself getting really excited but then remind myself of what I could be setting myself up for. The script has to change sometime dosen’t it? I sure hope so.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on
Aug 7, 2008 10:30 AM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
Just missed it
I was around but just a little too young to have gotten into the Cubs. For whatever reason ( and there was little reason) I became a Cubs fanatic in 71. I lived close enough
to just start going to games on my own ( luckily my parents figured it was safe for a 10 year old to do that). I certainly heard enough about 69 back then but I could just watch
many, many years of really bad teams without that particular memory.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on
Aug 7, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
never got over it
I was a senior in high school that year. It seemed the perfect year to graduate, and also have the Cubs win the whole thing. Since there had been no previous signs of a Cub team collapsing, every fan I knew ( and the papers as well) were VERY confident. Since those dark days of Sept. ‘69 I’ve been scarred for life, never really able to feel confident about a Cub team again. I lived in the Murphysboro / Carbondale area then, & could only follow the team via WGN radio (no close radio outlets in those days). Had to sit with my car radio parked in a certain spot in town where I could pick it up enough to hear. I can tell you, losing for a whole month is worse that losing quick in a playoff series. The days just dragged on, you kept thinking, “maybe today it will change” then more misery.
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields
by KedzieKid on
Aug 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
i was four
but (secondhand info) happy to be moving to chicagoland in 1969. i was getting dirty elbows from reading the newspapers. we moved to suburbia (bolingbrook, actually) on september 1st. they swept a twinbill from the reds on my first day in town. you all know the rest.
oh, to have picked up a centerfielder along the way.
by tim815 on
Aug 7, 2008 12:35 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
Funny I was just playing my Cub Power record just the other day, anybody else still have one?
Alabebo… alabebo… ala bibo… ala be bo bi bo bum!
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is now way to go through life son.
by alabebo on
Aug 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
I was 19 that summer and thought for sure that it would finally happen
My family left La Grange in 1956 and moved to northern New Jersey. As a 4th generation Cubs fan, I stayed loyal to the Cubs over the ensuing years, enduring the taunts and ridicule of the Yankee fans in my neighborhood and in my school.
A write-up about the Cubs successful season even appeared in the NY Times Sunday Magazine that August, and I thought for sure that it was finally going to happen.
As my dad and I drove back to my college that Labor Day weekend, the Cubs were still clinging to first place – a position that they had held since Opening Day.
But on Sept. 10th – a day that Cubs fan and columnist George Will once said “will live in infamy” – the Cubs lost and the National League team from New York won, and the Cubs were never to see first place in 1969 again.
Years later, it still hurts and stays with me.
We all make mistakes in our lives, though some make them on a larger stage in front of a larger audience.
by BillBuckner on
Aug 7, 2008 1:18 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
I was 15 in 1969 and sat in the bleachers for quite a few games
My best buddy’s dad worked for Mars candy and we’d get up at 0h dark:30 and he’d drop us off at the Des Plaines avenue el stop. We’d be at the park really early-i want to say 7am sometimes? Everyone would be sitting along the sidewalk on Sheffield for hours-sometimes they’d let us in early.
I believe it was a buck to get in—we were lucky if we had another buck or 2 between us to buy cokes with. The original bums were VERY rowdy and really ran the whole bleachers..ushers were too intimidated to try to control them…we saw a bum named Captain Hook and another hold a Cardinal fan almost over the wall by his ankles one time….the ushers did show up for that. The “Joe Morgan” basket was installed later on for just those types of incidents.
The byplay between the bullpen and LF bleachers during the game was amazing-some of the things that went on before the game with opposing players was equally amazing-no one had more balls than Pete Rose. The Reds had so much stuff thrown at him that he came out before the game and started PEGGING balls into the stands with some STANK on them…Ray Floyd (the golfer for you younger folk) was in the outfield for warmups frequently and used to don an old WW 1 leather pilot’s hat and run around with his arms out stretched like he was flying.
I remember batting practice with the big Red machine when the wind was blowing out-and an Electra 225 driving down Waveland and getting it’s hood smashed by Tony Perez. I have no idea when they began closing off the street for BP-anyone know?
I remember being there for a DH vs. the Cards-i believe it was Billy Williams day and Fergie beat Gibson….it was euphoria every day-until September…after the Mets caught us-there was a little tavern on Electric Avenue in suburban Berkeley, IL (near Elmhurst and Hillside) and they held a funeral for the Cubs and actually buried fake mini coffins for the players…..the epitome of brutal. For a five minute clip of the original Bleacher Bums (the as nearly as I can tell-I’m in) go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rMrlynKxaU
The classy Cincinnati Reds: " (Josh) Hamilton acknowledges that he sensed some resentment in the locker room from three or four players." SI-May 2008
by cubfever7 on
Aug 7, 2008 2:09 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Even if the Cubs played to pace...
they would gone 100-62 (if they were 84-52 on Aug 2nd, then that’s on pace to win 100 games). The mets won a 100 games that year, so following the pace of the Cubs it would of been a tie (of course some of those wins were agianst the Cubs). As hot as the mets were, they could have caught the Cubs even if they had played well down the strech. Being that close one small thing could have decieced the season either way. I don’t know if that makes anyone feel better (I dought it).
Thanks for all the stories about the ‘69 Cubs, I wasn’t born yet but somehow I almost feel like I lived through it because I’ve read so much about them over the years.
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on
Aug 7, 2008 1:51 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
I've always maintaine that it was more that the Mets won....
..than the Cubs lost. Read Al’s post today on the high water marks of the great 80’s teams--IIRC-at least one of them had their best % of the year a couple weeks before season end….as did the ‘69 group—the Mets were fated to win that year and they were blessed with one of the best pitching staffs ever seen.
The classy Cincinnati Reds: " (Josh) Hamilton acknowledges that he sensed some resentment in the locker room from three or four players." SI-May 2008
by cubfever7 on
Aug 7, 2008 2:29 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
The Mets went 45-18
From August 1 to the end of the season. Just think of that. We are 23 games over and it’s taken us over 100 games to get there. They were freaking 27 games over in the last 63. They won it, it’s as simple as that.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on
Aug 7, 2008 2:42 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
However....
... I think if the Cubs had won those two games in NYC on September 8 and 9 - and after they lost the first close one on the disputed call at the plate there was probably no way they’d have won the other - they would have righted the ship and won it.
Even after losing those games the Cubs were still in first place by half a game. Had they beaten the Mets twice they would have left NYC with a 4.5 game lead and 20 games remaining. The Mets would have been cooled off and at least it would have given the Cubs some breathing room.
As it turned out the Cubs lost twice more, falling out of first place never to return, before ending the disastrous 8-game losing streak. After splitting a DH against the Cardinals at Wrigley Field on September 19, they were four games out with nine games left (the Mets had 11 games left). That was as close as they got; the Mets went 9-2 in those 11 games and the Cubs went 2-7.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 3:44 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
You are most probably correct
in your assumption. That’s what sucks, if we win those games and what you wrote happened, we may be singing a different tune these past 39 years. Instead of the “collapse” we would STILL be talking about the greatest summer on the North side of Chicago in our lifetime. And who knows how the players would have played afterwards with the monkey off their backs. I know that even today’s Cubs say they don’t feel it, but the constant reminder (can you say ESPN/FOX/TBS???) would never have manifested itself to the ginormous proportion it has reached today. Great comments.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on
Aug 7, 2008 5:00 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Sept 8 and 9 were key games indeed.....
I remember the Met’s pitchers doing a little head hunting on Ron Santo. Ron was notorious for having a temper during the games. Koosman hit him in the first game the first time up—he still drove in 2 of the three Cub runs in the series…..but I also remember Ron recounting how badly Seaver had dusted him the next game and how mad he’d gotten.
He’d had his face re-arranged a couple years before and they thought they could get him to start bailing out or intimidate him—burt all they did was get him mad.
The classy Cincinnati Reds: " (Josh) Hamilton acknowledges that he sensed some resentment in the locker room from three or four players." SI-May 2008
by cubfever7 on
Aug 7, 2008 5:04 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
I was 16 in '69
I remember the excitement and the crushing disappointment, not unlike other years. My favorite Cub was Ron Santo then and in many ways he still is. I got to meet him a few years ago at Spring Training and it was one of the highlights of my life. That’s me and Ron in the picture here. I was so excited I almost cried. I think when Ron talks about 1969 he captures it perfectly. I will never forgive the Mets. This year is so exciting and surprisingly I have no “feeling of dread” or waiting for the collapse. This team is so good and this is so much fun.
by mlern on
Aug 7, 2008 2:20 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
Ron was my all time favorite as well....
When the Cubs hit a home run or when the bad guys hit one, you can hear the distinctly different parts of 1969 in his voice. Fans of other teams may criticize him for lack of conventional color commentary, but I “get ” him…as do most of us.
If I had a scanner—I’d love to post the pic I have of Ron holding my now 21 year old and son in his arms in 1991…I was barely able to speak when I met him…I was so nervous that day. He is a fine, fine human being.
The classy Cincinnati Reds: " (Josh) Hamilton acknowledges that he sensed some resentment in the locker room from three or four players." SI-May 2008
by cubfever7 on
Aug 7, 2008 2:26 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
He has always been my favorite Cub
and I haven’t officially met him, but I did say Hi to him this year at ST when he was in his golf cart and he thanked me for coming out to the game. I did meet Fergie that same morning and he and Sweet Swingin’ Billy were my 2nd favorite Cubs. Met Billy at BP one day at Wrigley before a game in the 80’s. The other nice thing about all the ‘69 Cubs is that they have treated the fans so great and seem to never tire of us wanting to be around them. I have expressed my preemptive joy of a Cubs WS win, can you imagine how they’ll feel? Chicago will never be the same.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on
Aug 7, 2008 2:38 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Ron Swoboda
played right field for the Mets in 1969, and hit three home runs to beat Carlton and the Cardinals in a key game down the stretch. He did the sports in New Orleans in the 1980s, and I met him when I was working at a paper down there at some preseason football thing. I introduced myself, told him I was a Cubs fan, and said - jokingly, of course, because we were all professionals - that I’d never forgive him for 1969. He looked at me, dead serious, and said, You’d better get over it. And then walked off.
Once a Met, always a met.
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
by 3744nsheffield on
Aug 7, 2008 3:27 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
He played over his head that year...
...particularly on defense—as did Al Weis and a few others….but when magical years happen, that’s not unusual. Still though….what a douche.
The classy Cincinnati Reds: " (Josh) Hamilton acknowledges that he sensed some resentment in the locker room from three or four players." SI-May 2008
by cubfever7 on
Aug 7, 2008 3:40 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
The game you're thinking of...
... was this one on September 15. Swoboda hit two HR (not three), but they were both two-run jobs and accounted for all the Mets runs in a 4-3 win.
How hot were the Mets? They won that game even though Carlton struck out 19.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 3:46 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Not only a Met
But a third rate sportscaster as well…..I recall his sorry tenure at WVUE in New Orleans.
by Cajuncub on
Aug 7, 2008 4:13 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Clashed With Hodges, Too
Could be that Swoboda is one of them thar difficult personalities.
"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl
by CaliCub on
Aug 8, 2008 11:36 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
I was born in June of '69
so obviously I have no memory of that year, but I feel obligated to just say thank you to everyone who posted on this page. This is the best thread I have ever read on BCB and I will be printing it out for my scrapbook. Just great! Thanks to CaliCub especially for getting the ball rolling…
"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin
by Goodie1969 on
Aug 7, 2008 6:50 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
You Made My Week
:-)
"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl
by CaliCub on
Aug 8, 2008 11:37 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
It was Holtzman and Jenkins' fault ...
It was the stars over Wrigley Field that steered me to the Cub harbor, and you might say it was my density, but I kid you not.
It was August 19, 1969, one of those sweltering dog days filled with screaming cicadas and an endless starchy yellow sky, in which my life forever changed. My DNA code wonderfully shifted – my weltanschauung became a cosmic consciousness that transcended space and time. It was on my 9th birthday, when Ken Holtzman’s no-hitter and a brand new Ferguson Jenkins mitt initiated me into the Cubs Nation for good.
My parents sat transfixed before the shipping crate sized old color TV set at the house. I cradled that mitt on the floor by the TV. It smelt fresh and clean and was the color of Cracker Jack the way they made it at Sears and had Jenkins’ potent, boldly defined signature embossed black and stark in it’s palm.
It’s now old and cracked and covered in autographs, and it is the living connection to those first days of admiration, which, after a lifetime of citizenship in the Cub Nation I have never regretted. The suspense was there and Ken did his thing. And my father made sure I understood that the man who signed it was part of a baseball team we were watching that very day doing battle at a place called Wrigley Field.
Mike Royko would tell me later it was called Cubs’ Park. No matter.
If baseball stadiums were cathedrals, Cubs’ Park became to me and still is Notre Dame. From the bleachers to the big red sign out front, there is no greater house that passion has built. Fenway Park? Feh! Yankee Stadium? Don’t make me laugh.
I watched the ever accursed Mets wreak their havoc, but never flinched as my nine year old optimism knew the Cubbies would be back. I came to love those bricks and that big green scoreboard as surely as my hearth itself. And family always knows you’ll come home – and we’re all awaiting that day when 1908 will once more be just a date and the Nation will let out a collective explosion of jubilation unseen since that day.
Since that hot day in 1969, I’ve been possessed by that conviction. I’ve never looked back. My four brothers and mom never did. No real Cub fan will. We know this unlike the “baseball fans” of clubs who don’t even see half their own raggedy tribe at their soulless stadia until playoff time looms. The Cubs didn’t need marketing strategies or sausage races to keep us connected. We’ve watched breathlessly with the Nation all of the efforts of those journeymen of the 1970’s, the boys of summer in the 1980’s and witnessed the 1990’s unfold into this 21st century chase for the ultimate fruit of their labor: a return to the World Series.
When the Chicago Cubs do so, as they eventually will (remember, you gotta wait until next year!), they will get there backed by the most longsuffering yet diehard fans this world will ever know: the Cubs Nation. And I will be right there with us all, still screaming, weeping, laughing, sighing but ever rooting them on .. we will enjoy that moment like no one else will.
Our Cubs and our Nation will overcome.
We shall be Number One.
(this is from my essay on what it means to be a Cubs fan ..)
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on
Aug 7, 2008 8:03 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
My friend I couldn't have said it better myself, you just brought a tear to my eye...thanks
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is now way to go through life son.
by alabebo on
Aug 7, 2008 8:37 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
+111
Thanks cubnational. I know you and I have exchanged some private emails, and we speak the same language.
What I’m looking forward to is sharing that magic moment with all you guys, the community of Bleed Cubbie Blue.
Go Cubs.
IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!
by Cubfansince1957 on
Aug 7, 2008 8:40 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
yessirreebob
This boy ain’t giving up .. I’m Blue to the Bone
The Cubs are my team and Chicago’s my home
I’m of the Cubs Nation, we’re family and more
Soon the Series will come and will we just SOAR
Yee ha, baby
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on
Aug 8, 2008 11:48 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Wonderful.
I know how you feel, because just a few years older than you, I lived the same thing.
We await the Promised Land, perhaps this year. And it will be as wonderful as we have all imagined it all our lives.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 8:53 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
So maybe we should plan a BCB gathering at one of the Wrigley watering holes, perhaps on a night when they're on the road, we can watch the game and socialize, hell I'll drive in and I live in Bourbonnais
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is now way to go through life son.
by alabebo on
Aug 7, 2008 9:02 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
I don't drink, but I'd love to hang out with BCB'ers ..
I just know that the day the Cubs take the National League and play their first game, I am there.
Even if I have to fight through the hordes at the keyhole, I will be there.
No way I’ll ever be able to afford a ticket, short of robbing a bank, and Mrs.Cubnational has already backed me into a wall and I won’t be getting a new credit card to max out for the Series ..
then again .. uhhh .. maybe I just might anyway
I think a BCBfest somewhere outside Wrigley during the first game of the Series should become a tradition .. it might be the ONLY time we’d ever get a chance to do so!
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on
Aug 8, 2008 11:46 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Al, I cannot agree more ..
It’s just a game .. oh, but what a game ..
Life will go on. Hopefully, the individuals of the Cubs Nation will remember that they do have another existence outside the fandom we so recklessly love .. but while we bond in that family like no other, we’re going to enjoy the ride of our lives.
And you’ve gotten to live a lot more of it all, see more of it, then I probably ever will .. just enjoy that perch in LF for me some ..
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on
Aug 8, 2008 11:57 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
I survived 1969........sigh
It hurt me to the bone, and that’s all I have to say about that.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.
by deadcatbounce on
Aug 7, 2008 8:05 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
Wow
So many memories. For some funny reason this one sticks in my mind the most. A hot July day. My dad worked at the Commonwealth Edison building on California. We would park our car there and grab the bus down addison.
As we await the bus, we see Jack Brickhouse standing next to his over heating Chevy. He was livid while he talked with an attendent from the station across the street.
It just so happened that very day while at the park, the astrononts returned and splashed down. Pat Piper annouced this to a rour of thunder from the fans. Great day that was.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on
Aug 8, 2008 6:12 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
Whoooooooo boy, now THAT I would have like to have seen
Jack Brickhouse LIVID?
That’s like seeing Madonna dancing in a burqa ..
The two just don’t go together ..
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on
Aug 8, 2008 11:42 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Let me tell
ya, it just shattered that 12 year old boy. I was never able to look at him again, knowing of this. I am wounded.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on
Aug 9, 2008 12:12 PM CDT
up
reply
actions
0 recs
Memories of '69
I’ve really enjoyed reading this post. Although I was probably a bit older than most of those who’ve supplied comments (I was born in ’45—maybe the reason I’ve always felt my own destiny so tied to the Cubs); the emotional highs and lows so many of you have described still give me goose bumps.
As it happened, I was on active duty in the USAR in ’69 from mid-April to mid-August. I vividly remember the euphoria after Willie Smith’s opening day walkoff HR, but I was quite literally in boot camp just days afterwards. All I could find out about the Cubs would generally come only sporadically through newspapers that were days, sometimes even weeks, old. I couldn’t believe what I was reading. Kessinger, Beckert, and Williams were on an unbelievable tear; a rejuvenated Ernie was more productive than he’d been for several years; Santo was very good—and great defensively at third; Hundley a rock behind the plate with some punch as a hitter; and Fergie, Hands, and Holtzman a great 1-2-3 in the days of complete games and four-man rotations. I do remember getting to see one televised mid-summer night game on a scratchy black & white TV in a depressing army PX. The Cubs were either playing at Houston or Cincinnati and trailing by a run when Sweet Swinging Billy Williams—my favorite as my avatar would suggest—hit a game tying HR with two outs in the top of the ninth. The Cubs went on to win in extra innings. I was one happy crew cut army dude—the high point of my army career as far as I’m concerned.
When I got out in August, I headed to Wrigley one of my first days back home—a mid-week series opener against the Braves. Cubs were still flying high. Crowd was going to be big but, feeling lucky, I managed to get a bleacher ticket. Normally, I’d head for either left or right field (one had lots of options on those under 10,000 games), but this day was a full or near full house so I had to settle for a seat in center field almost directly under the scoreboard. As some of you may have by now surmised, the game I’d gone to was Kenny Holtzman’s no-hitter . Sitting where I was, I had a great view of Hank Aaron’s long drive that the wind kept in the park. The ball appeared to be over the ivy, and Billy Williams appeared to have given up on it, but somehow the wind held it up for what seemed like forever, and Billy adjusted in time to make the catch.
I don’t know whether other fans who remember Kenny’s no-no would agree with me, but I didn’t think Holtzman was at his very best that day. In addition to Hammerin’ Hank’s, there were several had hit balls hit right at people and some good defense needed to bail Kenny out. I also believe he walked 4-5 as well. I’ve always felt too much good Cubs mojo got used up that day. They dropped the next two games of the series to the Braves, and it was downhill from there.
By the time I moved back to Madison in September where I was a grad student, the season was pretty much gone. Worst part was all the crap I had to take from two of my best buddies who were from New York and rabid Mets fans. They would invariably greet me by putting their hands around their throats and allude to the "Cubbies" as chokers. Back then, at least in Chicago, I don’t recall the Cubs being referred to as "the Cubbies," as they are now, so the reference still carries a slightly pejorative memory for me. And I still hate the Mets despite now living in upstate New York. Like Ron Santo, I rejoiced when the Mets collapsed last year. I even sent one of the above mentioned New Yorkers a copy of Santo’s comments to that effect. He wrote back and said that both Ronnie and I were candidates for "Irish Alzheimer’s" where you "forget everything but the grudge." He’s probably right.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on
Aug 8, 2008 10:10 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
Attendance in the 60's
I would like to make one comment about attendance. My very first MLB game I went to was at Comiskey Park in 1967. I got to see the White Sox play the Yankees. Why was my first game a White Sox game? Very simple free tickets.
In those days groups like mine (Cub Scouts) were able to go to Sox games for free. The Cubs never gave out free tickets to groups like that.
We tried to go to Cubs games but when you had the option of free tickets over full price well which team wins out? So I am sure the White Sox games got a big attendance boost from all the free tickets they handed out.
That said I had a good time at Comiskey in the upper deck out in left field. Ken Berry hit a home run that landed close to us. I was also able to see Mickey Mantle play.
by billkelly on
Aug 8, 2008 11:17 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
Thank you everyone for your stories
I truly appreciate them. I’m proud to be a fan.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Aug 14, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
Whose town?
Let’s face it. In 1969, Chicago was hardly a Cubs town or Sox town. It was a Blackhawks town. They were the most popular team in Chicago.
MV2008
"For that insightful comment about Michael Vick's cruelty, I'm going to send you a Lobstergram."--Dave Kaplan
by mattvegas on
Aug 14, 2008 4:18 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs
1969 was a real heartbreaker!
I Grew up in the 50’s and 60’s on the North side and was always a die hard Cub fan. My great grandfather, Tom Carey had his 100th birthday at Wrigley Field in 1962. My gradfather, also Tom Carey died in 1994 and we buried him with a Cub shirt under his suit and a Cub hat in the coffin. He was the last person alive I knew that had seen the Cubs win the WS at the Westside Grounds. I now live in SoCal and enjoy the weather, but miss my family and friends especially when it comes to the summer and Cub games. I used to deliver the Chicago American and before that the Daily News and always finished my route near Clark and Irving and rode down Seminary along the railroad tracks that are now a linear park and locked by bike near the fire station on Waveland Avenue and met the business men coming out of the game to get their ticket stubs. I must have seen over 1,000 games over the years and most between 1960-1969, the year my heart broke when the Cubs lost it in September to the Miracle %&*$# Mets. I used to bring a paper in to give to the Cubs, usually Ernie, Ron, Billy or Fergie and they read it while they played, not so well most years, but in ‘69 they really took off and I got a job at North Avenue Beach as a lifeguard for the Chicago Park Service and did not see many games since I worked on the 1-10pm shift. I did get to see a lot of White “W” flags until late August when they started turning into "L"s more often than not. Well, I can tell you this is the year. Hey every team can have a bad century and the Cubs have had theirs! It’s our turn now….
TJC
by Cub's Paperboy on
Aug 18, 2008 6:08 PM CDT
reply
actions
0 recs

















