Looking Back... And Ahead
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 8:26 AM CDT
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There are a couple of news items this morning that I know you're going to want to dive into, but first, let's look back at some of the better teams of Cubs past, to see where this year's edition might be headed.
The Cubs are 23 games over .500. The last time they were 24 games over .500 was October 1, 1989, the last day of that NL East title season. They beat the Cardinals 5-1 and finished the year 93-69.
The last time the Cubs were more than 24 games over .500 was September 30, 1984; they won the final regular season game that year, beating the Cardinals 2-1 and finishing the 1984 season 96-65, 31 games over. The high point of the 1984 season was reached on September 15, when they beat the Mets to go 90-58, 32 games over.
In only one other season since the last pennant in 1945 have the Cubs been 32 games over .500; that was in 1969, when they reached that mark several times, the last time on September 2, when they beat the Reds 8-4. They were 84-52.
The 1945 pennant winners finished 98-56, 42 games over .500 -- that's the best Cubs record since 1935, which was the last time the Cubs won 100 games.
Those are marks for this team, which is clearly the best Cubs team in my lifetime, to shoot for.
Now, on to two topics of interest: Mark Cuban showed up at Kerry Wood's benefit bowling tournament last night and a couple of players weighed in on the idea that Cuban could, among other things, improve the clubhouse:
"Our locker room is pretty awesome," joked Cubs pitcher Ryan Dempster on Wednesday during a charity celebrity bowling event that Cuban attended. "We get to see everybody naked, and hang out and have a good time."
"I don't know if [Cuban] has ever been in the clubhouse," [Reed] Johnson said. "But I know there's not much room underneath to do much, unless they put some dynamite down there and dig straight down."
Finally, remember that building the Cubs were going to build west of the park? The one with additional parking? Well, it's apparently going to be a bit different than originally planned:
Cubs Chairman Crane Kenney said the building planned for a triangular parcel adjacent to the stadium has been "completely re-designed" by Tribune Co. CEO Sam Zell's real estate team to include more retail and office space at the expense of parking.
The new garage would shrink to 250 spaces to accommodate players, team officials, sponsors and media whose late departure from Cubs games would not exacerbate post-game congestion. To make up for the loss of parking, a smaller garage could be built on less valuable land away from Wrigley, sources said.
The ordinance allowing the Cubs to build the bleacher expansion required them to provide one parking space for every ten new bleacher seats -- or about 180 spaces. So, even though they're scaling down the parking, they still satisfy the ordinance. They'd basically be putting the same cars that now park in that surface lot where the building will go, into the new building. We await further developments.
Enjoy the off day. Here's hoping the Cardinals and Dodgers play about 16 innings this afternoon.
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Hopefully the Cubs can enjoy the off day
God knows the bullpen needed it.
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by nji232 on Aug 7, 2008 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Id love to see Cuban own the team
and start pulling pranks on dempster after his new deal comes in
by fuku-domenation on Aug 7, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not the other way round ?
I can just see Dempster telling new owner Cuban that he needs to take off Aug- Oct because he
has been selected to be on DANCING WITH THE STARS
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 7, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a Cubs shaped void in my heart today...
sigh
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Aug 7, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I dunno.
Nice to relax for a day and look back and enjoy what’s happened so far, and look forward to tomorrow.
Right?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK (he mopes)
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Aug 7, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, the man said mopes.
make/art
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 7, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the best kind of day off.
Cubs in first place. Huge blowout win yesterday. Another series in the bank. The Brewers and Cards still somewhat comfortably at bay. Big series coming up. I’m gonna fire up my new mlb.tv subscription several times today and watch that 8-run third inning from yesterday.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
...these seem rare and its nice to enojy the view from this vantage point!
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on Aug 7, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am looking forward to it
This is my FIRST “off day” when coming back for Cubs games EVER. Usually I get 10 games
in 10 days in my summer homestand ( once I got 11 because of a Double header )
I am literally planning to go jump in the lake this afternoon. I have not been at the Fullerton
beach since high school. YIPEE!
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 7, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like Cuban is putting on
the full cort press to become the owner of the Cubs. I think a businessman of his success and passion for winning can only be a positive for the Cubs. For years we have complained of the lack of passion and committment of the Wrigley Company and subsequent ownership by the Tribune Company, well now we may get both in spades. I, for one am looking forward to the Mark Cuban era.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i've never understood the hate for the trib....
they have funded us better than most teams in the bigs and without their commitment of resources, we wouldn’t have the team we have today
by cubswynn on Aug 7, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
For many years there WASN’T that kind of commitment. Only in the last two years have they really done so, and the results on the field speak for themselves.
That’s why I’d like to see Cuban CONTINUE what’s been started since Andy MacPhail was dumped, rather than swoop in as a “savior”. People in various threads here are convinced he’d do that. Me, not so much. But I’m still listening.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the tribune point is granted
listening? wow al, it sounds like you’re starting to soften up on cuban
by cubswynn on Aug 7, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm listening to reasonable arguments.
That’s all I can say right now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not that i am in love with cuban particularly
he is simply the only one i know of…...and what i know of him is that he doesn’t like to lose and will spend the kind of money to make a winner
the other bidders might do the same, but we simply don’t know that…..so i’ll go with the sure thing, with some baggage over taking a risk on the unknown
by cubswynn on Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's fair. The one thing you
can say about Cuban is that the Dallas franchise appears to be in better shape now than we he purchased it. If he does the same for the Cubs, we will be in good shape.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have been hard for the Mavs to be worse off...
... than before he bought them; two years earlier (in the strike year of 98-99) they finished 19-31. They won 40 games the year Cuban bought them, but hadn’t had that many wins in over a decade.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this article help at all?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3522935
“The Cubs have got smart, smart people here. I mean they’re winning, they’re doing great things, I’ll just stay out of the way,” Cuban said. “Believe it or not, I can stay out of the way.”
Sounds like he’s not planning on blowing the whole thing up if he gets the team.
by SuperContext on Aug 7, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And why would he?
The team is WINNING. If we were a terrible team, he’d probably want to blow things up. But he’s a pretty smart businessman despite being very competitive and into sports. He probably does know better than to try to fix something that isn’t broken.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope so.
As I said in another thread, if that comment is true, then I’d be more inclined to say “Sure”.
But Cuban hasn’t “stayed out of the way” with the Mavs. Steinbrenner said he’d do that with the Yankees, too, and didn’t—and make no mistake, the Yankees current run of success only began when Steinbrenner stopped meddling.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The key difference between Steinbrenner and Cuban is
that Cuban is probably sincere in believing he can stay out of the way. I doubt it, but believe he thinks he can. Steinbrenner was using his tested technique of lying.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
But I will say is that one big difference is that Mark Cuban is going to be famous whether or not he owns the Cubs. George Steinbrenner is nobody if he doesn’t own the Yankees. Therefore, Cuban might feel less of a need to inject himself into team affairs because he doesn’t need to make a name for himself.
That’s just supposition, of course.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on Aug 7, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or it could be the opposite...
... since Cuban is ALREADY famous, he will want to trade off that fame and STAY famous, and keep himself as big as the Cubs are.
That’s just speculation and I could be way off base here.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how much day-to-day control he has
Over the basketball decisions for the Mavs. But if you are talking about what happened when he first bought the team, he had to do something in Dallas to turn that franchise around. It’s a completely different situation here, obviously.
I think its entirely possible that he will “stay out of the way” of the actual baseball decisions, at least to the same extent that any other owner does, but still maintain a vocal, outspoken (some would say annoying) presence in the media.
What I like about Cuban is that he seems to understand that running a team so it will make a profit and doing things to keep the fan happy are not mutually exclusive, but in fact work together. I believe that many Cuban doubters will be pleasantly surprised if he ends up with the team.
by SuperContext on Aug 7, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In addition
to your last paragraph, I think he has also learned a lot in his years with the Mavs about owning a team. He has experience in all of those aspects of being an owner and I think that also makes him a good candidate.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Aug 7, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in favor of Cuban, and here's why:
MLB owners are either billionaires or large corporations. Both billionaires and corporate execs tend to have one-track minds; they think in terms of “internal rate of return”—how much profit they can make on their investment. That is how billionaires become billionaires and how corporations survive. That is what makes Capitalism go around. But that mode of thinking will not necessarily yield new contracts for Ryan Dempster or Kerry Wood. (All you have to do is look at what happened to the Braves after Ted Turner sold out to Time Warner.)
I believe that Mark Cuban would bring to the Cubs the same attitude that Turner brought to the Braves; the team would be his hobby - a billionaire’s toy. If Cuban views the Cubs as his hobby, he will spend money to make his hobby fun - and winning is fun—even though his IRR might be lower than an expected IRR in another investment capacity.
Since I believe that Cuban loves to win, I believe that he would maintain an upper echelon payroll, pour money into scouting and the farm system, and make improvements to Wrigley Field. Isn’t that the most fans could ask for from an owner?
I’m not necessarily saying that Don Levin would not have been a good owner, only that I would much rather have Cuban (even with the occasional embarrassment thrown in) as the owner than Canning or someone else who will be looking strictly at the bottom line.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 7, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
I think (hope) that he’s smart enough to let the baseball people make the baseball decisions—at least as long as the team is winning.
Hopefully one or two bad seasons (which hopefully don’t happen for a while) wouldn’t make him think that major changes are needed and he’s start interfering.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget that the 16 inning game
must result in a Cardinal loss!
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 7, 2008 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, that goes without saying!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odds of retention of Dempster and his rapier wit?
I’d say very slim. In a day and age when AJ Burnett and Carl Pavano can get upwards of $50m, I would be shocked if Demp wanted (and got) 6 years around $65m. Don’t forget, the guy’s only 30 years old.
My guess is that Hendry will hope that Harden is healthy next year, and will go with Z/Harden/Lilly/Marquis/Marshall. That said, Dempster looks like he may have actually turned his career around, and would be a great 3-4 year investment for the Cubs, if they can get him for ~35m.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Aug 7, 2008 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dempster will get some nice money from us.
No way will Hendry let him go unless the Yankees make some insane offer. Remember this is the first year he has started in a while, and never with this success.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Aug 7, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping Dempster wants to stay
and is willing to drop his price a little. He always seemed sincerely grateful that the Cubs took a chance on him after it looked like his career was over.
by daeviant on Aug 7, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Dempster seems to really enjoy being a Cub and living in Chicago during the season. I suspect he might give a bit of a hometown discount.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Oakley says below
the hindrance is really how much they can pay him in light of the nearly 10m they have to pay Marquis next year.
I agree that Dempster probably would love to stay with the Cubs, but I can picture his agent saying “You saw how Ryan pitched this year. If he pitches half that well over the course of the contract, how can he possibly get paid less than Marquis?”
Plus, as much as he may love it here, an additional 20m from another team would pay for another two generations of Dempsters. That’s a lot to turn down.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Aug 7, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will depend on what the payroll is...
because several players will be due payraises based on their contracts. Dempster is probably going to be offered in the neighborhood of $15 million per year. So he may have to take a substantial discount to stay. We’ll see though.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus, I mean...
there’s no reasonable difference between $65mill and $50mill. How rich does he have to be?
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on Aug 7, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I’d guess Hendry will want him back, but the financial quagmire that is the 5th starter may hinder the budget to keep Dempster. If Marquis can be moved, then there may be $$$ to keep him.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even at $10 m for next year...
... I’d guess there would be takers for Marquis. A lot of teams could use an inning-eater like that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't disagree, but
was speculating that re-signing Demp may require freeing up the Marquis commitment.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly so.
Or, even HALF of it. Remember, the Cubs have Scott Eyre off the payroll next year, that’s $3 million freed up. Bob Howry’s deal is up, that’s another $3m. Henry Blanco may not be back, that’s another $2m.
Add all those up and there may be money for Dempster anyway.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
resign blanco! do backup catchers get any better?
plus he is a GREAT mentor for geo
by cubswynn on Aug 7, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I wasn’t saying I don’t want Blanco back, only that I suspect he may either not re-sign, or might retire.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the offers from other clubs
will just be too much for Dempster to turn down. He’s always had good stuff, but this year has finally put it all together. As a result, he’s less of a one-year wonder, and may demand more than the Cubs are willing to pay.
That said, if the Cubs do the unmentionable, I don’t care if ANYONE comes back next year. I’ll be too drunk to notice.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Aug 7, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i wasn't saying you were
i’m just a big fan of hammerin’ hank white
by cubswynn on Aug 7, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please, no.
The Cubs have Wellington Castillo in the minors who most likely will be ready to take on backup catcher duties. If he still needs some seasoning in the minors, then the Koyie Hills of the world stand ready to assist.
The Cubs have a lot of escalating contracts on the book, and all those players are on the downside of the aging curve. You have to maintain flexability somewhere.
by cwyers on Aug 7, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
The payroll is already going up over $4-5 million, and that is before considering re-signing Wood and/or Dempster. We could be looking at a $25 million payroll increase simply to keep the key pieces in place (assuming Dempster gets ~$12 million and Wood gets ~$8 million).
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why Ryan Theriot is so useful
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
by dr stabbingworth on Aug 7, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't consider salary increases for other players...
All of those backloaded contracts Hendry put together over the past few years are going to be escalating.
Not saying it can’t be done – just that it may take some substantial trickery. And Dempster’s expiring contract was at one point part of the flexibility we discussed when Soriano, Ramirez, Lee, et al signed those backloaded deals.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think we
would have to offer Dempster at least $10 mil per year. He is loads better than Marquis and it would seem to be an insult, IMO, to offer Demp anything less than what Marquis was paid.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Aug 7, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll have to offer Dempster at least $10 million per year...
Regardless of what Marquis is making. Market value for Dempster is going to probably be in the $13-15 million per year range. So $10 million per year would be as much as a 33% discount off of market value. That’s probably pushing it.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
If Dempster can convince the market that this year’s performance is anywhere CLOSE to how he’d perform over the court of a 4-5 year deal, he’d get 13m per year. Easy. There’s no way we can afford that considering all the back-loaded deals, and there’s no way Ryan turns that down.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Aug 7, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see...
As I said in another post, I’m not saying it’s impossible, just that it could be really tricky. It’d almost certainly require more backloading. It may or may not be possible, depending upon the new management’s willingness to spend.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It took me a little bit
to realize that the same person was not replying to themselves in the last three posts.
Anyway, I just hope that Demp is able to stick around. I really like him as a person and a player and think he is a great guy to have in the clubhouse.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on Aug 7, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I can see the confusion...
I guess Southside and I will have to agree to not discuss things with each other anymore. :)
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not think there is "no way"
as someone stated above, it just seems like the guy likes being here, with this organization. And he seems loyal enough to give a hometown discount. Granted, when millions are involved, loyalties change, but something to keep in mind.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Aug 7, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has there been a funnier Cubs player
than Dempster? I can’t remember such a huge, huge jokester like Ryan Dempster. I love his personality and wit and want him back on this team for years to come.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Aug 7, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy his sense
of humor too and hope he with the Cub’s organization for years.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 7, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Johnstone
Prankster supreme!
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Aug 7, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rabbit Maranville
puts Dempster and Johnstone to shame. Maranville would pull his practical jokes during the games—often on umpires.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on Aug 7, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only concern i have
is the innings jump. i know dempster has been solid this year, but i worry about a breakdown possibly next year after moving back into the rotation.
never the less, i’d resign him. having 4 reliable starters in this day is a huge advantage for the cubs.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Aug 7, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silver lining?
While I agree we should try to re-sign Dempster, there could be some silver lining if he left—we’d probably get some big draft choice compensation (maybe up to two first rounders)....
by Chadnudj on Aug 7, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true.
I’d only let him go if the team felt that Marshall or someone else (Gaudin) could seamlessly fill that role, and I’m not sure either one of them can.
More likely, I think, is Marquis goes, Dempster stays, and Marshall is starter No. 5
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Aug 7, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of OT, but it does impact the playoff chase
The Cardinals are going to bring Wainwright back as a reliever, most likely to be their closer again.
Last night they had some success with rookie Chris Perez closing out the game for them. As I have said previously, a legit closer like Wainwright makes them scary. This could end up being worse news for the Brewers, but still a very interesting situation.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Aug 7, 2008 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, they do need a closer.
Wainwright did a good job for them two years ago. This helps the Cardinal pitching staff.
Which, we hope, will be overextended by a long extra-inning game today!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure that the Cards would prefer
to put Wainright back in the rotation, but their bullpen is a MESS, and considering his previous success there, it’s probably a smart move.
That said, once Carpenter’s arm falls off again, they’ll be right back where they were.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Aug 7, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's only a smart move to the extent...
...that it saves Wainwright from future injury. The Cardinal’s bullpen is a mess, sure, but it’s not like their starting rotation is in great shape – Joel Piniero? Mitchell Boggs?
by cwyers on Aug 7, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the 2nd or 3rd time this year
that Wainwright has tried to come off the DL…this injury has taken much more time than the organization expected…They are pretty much handcuffed by the pitch-counts he will most likely be stuck to, and really have no option other than the bullpen.
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 7, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: The World is Ending!
According to ESPN…. Joba is headed to the 15-Day DL. Please seek shelter.
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Aug 7, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not quite this alone, but....
this combined with Favre in Queens will make the earth shake and eliminate all national coverage of the Cubs season.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Favre going to replace Joba in the Yankees rotation?
I thought that was part of the deal getting him traded to a NY team.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Al.....
We all know Favre isn’t a pinpoint passer. He’s more Wild Thing Vaughn than Big Unit.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of a Mitch Williams type?
Maybe he can take over for Mariano Rivera as closer next year if Rivera retires.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only thing that is certain is that my infrequent viewings of sportcenter will cease altogether.
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved when ESPN made a huge deal
when Joba pumped his fist on the mound after a strikeout.
by daeviant on Aug 7, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably how he hurt his shoulder.
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the new building......
..... if Zell and fiends are going to sell, why meddle with the building design? Are they going to sell the club and hold on to Wrigley while this is contructed? I don’t get it.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Aug 7, 2008 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wondered that too..
But guess it helps the value if they can deliver a City approved plan as part of the sale.
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably so.
And who knows—maybe they did this in consultation with one or more of the prospective buyers.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe....
If you look at the picture really really close, you can see the sign for Mark Cuban’s Chicago Dogs and Internet Cafe.
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting idea. Zell seems to be throwing a few curveballs in
this deal. You know that they want to get the maximum cash return on their investment but this building deal is a bit confusing.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If some of the office and retail space is going to be rented out
to other businesses, it could make it a little more attractive. I don’t know if that was ever specified though.
by daeviant on Aug 7, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd think there would be...
... enough space to make money on rentals to, say, an ESPN Zone. A Harry Caray’s would have been perfect, but they already have a Wrigleyville space now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Espn Zone? ewwwww
That said, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cubs TV rights, to at least home day games, purchased by ESPN in the future when the new owner has the ability to put the rights out to bid.
With ESPN, ESPN 2, Classic, News, etc. They need original day programming and the Cubs have the national following created by the superstation.
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect the new owner...
... whoever it is, may try to start a Cubs network similar to the Yankees’ YES network. That could be a big moneymaker.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could work as well.
I remember Yes having a huge problem getting started, but can’t recall the specifics.
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow that would be brilliant...
...does YES broadcast each and every Yankee game? I would love to have a 24/7 Cubs channel!
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Aug 7, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I would hate that...
as it would likely prevent an out-of-region guy like me from seeing Cubs games.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I'm totally out of region, too, down here in KC
But I would go to any cable/satellite company that had this channel. Television should be a la carte, truly, but don’t get me started on that rant. Cable companies are just as incompetent as the best of em, like the RIAA.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Aug 7, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cable and satellite companies will always rip you off...
if they can. A la carte certainly makes sense for the consumer, but why would the providers do that? Probably 90% of the channels on packages are underviewed, so you overpay for the stuff you want and get a bunch you don’t want.
It stinks for us, but I think they have found a way to make the most money.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree...
...I think it is clear venues like iTunes or Amazon or even Crackle or Hulu work in both a la carte paid and unpaid formats. The pressure that comes with a la carte is quality, nothing more, nothing less. We wouldn’t see Family Feud with Al Roker (?!) or Wife Swap.
I want to pay for the channels and shows I know are quality. How many channels do you watch? 6? 10? Not many. And I think this is why illegal downloading is so popular – because we want the quality, meaningful content how and when we want it. I truly believe that people will pay for the media they enjoy. Maybe it’s a generation thing, but if I can’t get my (insert media format) when and how I want it, I’m going to get it illegally. I see mainly as a failure of access and/or distribution.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Aug 7, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those ventures can work...
but are they more profitable than the other approach? Those are different media ventures after all.
I’d DEFINITELY prefer the alternative you suggest. But for that to work in a cable/satellite environment, you’d have to lower price and hope for much greater market coverage. Well, the market for cable/satellite in many/most areas is already pretty saturated. So I’d have trouble seeing how companies would increase quantity of subscription enough to offset price.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
I think we can both agree the current format sucks, and needs revamping…but as to what new format, who knows?
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Aug 7, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IPTV
And MLB.TV already has the product. Yes, it is lower quality than standard definition TV. Yes, you have to watch it on a small screen because your TV is not Internet-enabled.
Both of those things will change soon enough - at least for your generation :)
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Aug 7, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, because...
... it’d be on Extra Innings. You’d have to pay, but it’d be available.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, which is something I also don't want to do...
I kind of like having the relatively free 50-60 games I get on WGN. So I wouldn’t like it.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, I see your point.
I think the beauty of a Cubs’ channel is our fanbase, which is extremely spread out throughout the country, any and all fans are able to access each and every Cubs’ game. Do east and west coast cable/satellite companies broadcast WGN?
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Aug 7, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They do on the East Coast...
I haven’t been to the West Coast, but I was under the impression that WGN was a nationally broadcast “Superstation,” sort of like a poor man’s TBS. So I think it’s on out there too.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is available for companies to pick up on their lineup...
...but is not in every network/part of the country. I’m not sure, though.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Aug 7, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WGN is broadcast on the west coast.
A lot of players from California grew up watching Cubs games because they were the only game on, (esp. when it was still all day games at Wrigley). WGN is a superstation, not really a poor man’s TBS though. It’s just too bad the model of a ‘superstation’ is changing and TBS is out of Braves baseball. We’ll see what happens.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on Aug 7, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I suspect that will be the trend...
that, and the EI packages. Too much money is out there to be made.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a new owner
would the Cubs even be on WGN at all anymore regardless of a Cubs 24-hour channel? The new owner will also have a piece of Comcast Sports here in Chicago so I’d think most games will go there at a minimum.
by cubbot on Aug 7, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it all depends...
but that may be the case as well. If so, I will be displeased with that also.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of that depends...
... who winds up owning WGN, which Zell may also sell.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
opinion
I’ve kinda held my opinion out of the ownership thing cause my only real opinion is I hope to get a owner who is willing to shell out 100+ million a year and field a winning team year after year.
With that being said I think this is exactly why Cuban wants this team. He has that high tech HDTV channel that he created. Not sure what its called. If he buys this team and puts them exclusively on “his network” he knows he’ll be getting millions of viewers. So basically he’s getting a 2 for 1 deal. Smart move by him.
As far as the meddling goes, he has courted a high caliber team in dallas year after year. Like all sports mgmnt can only do so much. you win or lose the games on the court or field. All we can ask for as fans is to have a owner who cares enough to shell out the bux for “high caliber’ players.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on Aug 7, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he'd put the Cubs exclusively on HDNet.
It doesn’t have enough national coverage. Yet. Now, putting the Cubs on it might GET it that coverage.
More likely is the possibility of an all-Cubs channel like the Yankees’ YES Network.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about
a “Ron Santo’s Toupes and Feet” outlet? :D
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on Aug 7, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After seeing Gene Keady yesterday...
...very appropriate…
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 7, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You looking for feet? Sorry sir, we’re all out of feet.
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got a lovely
inner thigh, however. Very silky.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on Aug 7, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, you probably
look like SWL’s pig.
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not MINE.
But you look like you could use at toupe.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on Aug 7, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only I could get this
hair on my knuckles to grow on my head…..
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think that they
would want to maximize the return on that space to justify the investment. You would probably want a facility that would bring consistent revenue on a year-round basis and not just a space that would bring peak dollars during baseball season.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
That’s why a branded schlock joint like ESPN zone or HC makes sense. Combine that with a big room for parties and weddings and it’s a year round attraction. I expect it will also have a year round store owned and operated by the team selling Cub and MLB stuff.
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems to fall in line with
many of the concepts that have been floated for the whole Wrigleyville area. Investors area seeing the area as a cash cow that they can milk year-round. The don’t want to tie it to closely to the baseball angle for fear that people will only feel that the facility will draw big during baseball season.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But remember what Zell's window for return on investment is
Maybe he’s planning on selling the business spaces as condos in the building, to pocket the quick cash, and stick the new owner with the upkeep.
Or am I just being paranoid?
by Wreckard on Aug 7, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then it would have to be zoned appropriately for residential.
which doesn’t seem to be the case
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Aug 7, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can sell
office/retail as a condo for businesses to use.
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm talking about commercial condos
by Wreckard on Aug 7, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of residential development..
..what ever happened to St. Louis’ “Ballpark Village”? I understand the hole in the ground next to Busch Stadium is still there and it fills up with water after heavy rains; I also heard that Cards fans refer to it as “Lake Dewitt” after the Cards’ owner.
I thought I remember the deal w/ the city of STL including fines against the Cards if construction didn’t meet deadlines. Anybody got any info on that?
"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields
by calicubfan on Aug 7, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at Fenway Park
I could see a new owner, especially Cuban, trying to set something up like the owners in Boston did. It would essentially close the streets directly around the park to ticketed patrons only, and allow vendors (team-controlled) to set up shops, whether they be for souvenirs, hot dogs or beer.
Honestly, it made the scene around Fenway much nicer, but I’m not sure that Wrigley needs it.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Aug 7, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have so much CTA traffic going through the main arteries...
not to mention all of the tour buses…
That would muck a lot of things up.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on Aug 7, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously...
... the tour buses would still be allowed through. Waveland & Sheffield are already closed to traffic during games; that could be a next step.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To This Point, Best Cubs Team I've Seen
There are still 47 regular season games to play. So far, this is the best Cubs team I have seen. I think they have better hitting and pitching than the 1984 team. The defense is about even. With the glove, Sarge was much better than Sori in LF. Dome in right is tons better defensively than Moreland was. Those are the two most glaring differences in defensive ability between the two teams.
Let’s hope this 2008 team keeps on keeping on and becomes the undisputed best team in recent decades for the Cubs.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Aug 7, 2008 9:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Simple math for even a ____________
like me. You can insert your insult like mad libs if desired.
.500 ball the rest of the way is better than 92 games.
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, actually no it isn't.
.500 ball for the remainder would be, essentially, 24-23.
That’d be 93-69. I think this team can do better than that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al I agree with you
we can most definitely play better than .500 for the rest of the season. Man does it feel good to be back.
"Try that Aco Poco Taco Pie"
by cubs on Aug 7, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.500 is 92.5 (better than 92). I expect .500 on the road and closer to .650 at home.
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would be the first season the Cubs EVER want 92.5 games in a season!
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
won... not want. oye.
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I misread your post.
If the Cubs do play .650 at home, that’d be 14 more home wins.
They have 25 road games—say they go 13-12.
That’d be 27 more wins or a total of 96. I think that’s doable.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am still in shock at times...
...that we are talking about 96 wins for the Chicago Cubs. It’s like my dreams are here, in reality.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Aug 7, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just looking at the schedule...
i think 26-27 wins should be expected. even taking into account the cubs’ road woes (at times), i think they can get to 95 or 96 wins just by playing the way they have. if they can run off a long win streak, 100 isn’t out of the realm of possibility.
100 wins for the cubs? what a season.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Aug 7, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
100?
Why does that number ring a bell? Wait….no that’s not it…Hmm maybe ESPN can remind me.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Aug 7, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm certain
they are above making a cheap joke about it, given the chance.
by tim815 on Aug 7, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they'll probably miss it
you know, since it’ll be about week 4 of brett favre’s first season with the jets and joba may be using a ‘magic’ treatment on his shoulder…
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Aug 7, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've been following this team since the 1960's and this is the best team i've seen. part of what seems
cool to me about it is that it’s not built on one or two superheroes, but the whole team is pitching in and playing well and everyone is contributing… like yesterday when every staring player had an RBI… it’s good team, not just a few good players.
GoCubsGo
by MinnesotaFan on Aug 7, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
make that starting player, not staring player..
GoCubsGo
by MinnesotaFan on Aug 7, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
That’s why it’s a better team than the ‘69 team. That team had a great lineup and front of the rotation… but the back of the rotation, the bench and bullpen were mediocre.
This team has an excellent bench and bullpen and a pretty good 1-5 rotation.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, Al...
you convinced me. It is fun to take a break and enjoy an off-day :)
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 7, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't over look
that the rest of the NL is a step below the Cubs…..this bodes well for a strong world series run (knock on wood)
by cubswynn on Aug 7, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay - the wood comment.
Anyone else see the blurb in a Trib article quoting Woody on this blister? Either Wood is “Alouing” his hands or is having huge fun with the media and fans pretending he is.
says he will continue to “treat the skin and make sure it stays tough. We’re going to stay on top of it.”Wood, who said he has suffered in past years from a blister on his middle finger, has refused to divulge what the miracle treatment was that seemed to speed the nearly monthlong process.
“The last little experiment we tried seemed to work on it, toughened the skin up pretty quick,”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-080806-jeff-samardzija-chicago-cubs,0,6029612.story
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by N Oakley on Aug 7, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's stem cells.
by the way, his wife is still very hot!
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Aug 7, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that's why Mr. Cuban paid them a visit?
by zevkalman on Aug 7, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Cuban had
his own pretty hot wife, Tiffany with him last last night.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 7, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this good team
has one helluva good field general.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.
by deadcatbounce on Aug 7, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My brother, the Cardinal fan,
Called me last night and humbly admitted that for the first time in his life, the Cubs are the best team in baseball (he’s never humble so it was quite a shock). I’ve been telling him for months that if this Cubs team plays to their abilities, they are certainly the best in the National League and possibly the majors. I hope it plays out the way I see it.
I am an American aquarium drinker...
by HoodooMan on Aug 7, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I may see Z pitch again
I may see a Cubs game in Atlanta next week.
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Aug 7, 2008 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrigley South bitches!!
Good times in the ATL. Best bet is to walk up and scalp, probably pay way under face value. Braves have given up.
Delete?
by lamentir on Aug 7, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taking the afternoon off tomorrow to go to the game...
...so I am actually glad to enjoy the off-day and get ahead of all my work….
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 7, 2008 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
I have amazing seats for tomorrow.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Aug 7, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should tell us where they are...
...so BlueMike can show up and pick a fight with you.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 7, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back to Rotation talk..
I understand there’s a lot still to be decided, but I don’t see them carrying both Marquis and Demp next season. There are too many young arms clamoring for a spot (Marshall, Hill, Samardie, Hart, etc). I know the Rich Hill Experience was a nightmare this season, but he will be back, I think.
by CoolHand on Aug 7, 2008 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
5th Starters
I agree that he is one of the better 5th starters in all of baseball except earlier in the season he was not a lock to be the 5th nor was his contract given to him to be the 5th.
Whatever.
I did take a quick glance around the league and many teams don’t have a consistent 5th starter. Some don’t have a consistent 3 or 4. I would say the Angels probably have the best 5th starter. Unfortunately have no way of comparing Marquis and his last 10 starts vs any other 5th starter statistically..
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Aug 7, 2008 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Run the Bases Makeup Announced
Aug 17th after a HS baseball game. See link for more detail
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/chc/ticketing/run_bases_makeup.jsp
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Aug 7, 2008 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For anyone that cares....
ESPN 1000 will be interviewing Scott Eyre at 11:40. I’ve already got my tissue ready.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Aug 7, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Recap of the interview (from what I can remember)
Stevie said he was driving his RV through Valdosta, GA (Titletown, how fitting) during the call. As far as his future goes, he’s still waiting on a call back from Hendry to let him know the details of any potential trade/ML assignments. Actually was very complimentary of how JH handled the whole situation. Said JH is a class act, a “fair man,” and very professional about everything. He let him know what was going to happen before anyone else knew (something that can’t be said for other GM’s) and was very appreciative of the fact. He said anywhere he gets to pitch is going to be fun, and if it’s a playoff contending team, it’ll be a bonus. After what he just went through, he says he just wants to pitch. Regarding Lou, Scotty doesn’t know really why he remained in his doghouse for so long, other than Lou goes w/ the hot “hand” (hmm don’t know about that one Scotty) and that he has no hard feelings or ill will about it. When asked whether he had ever approached Lou about being in his so-called doghouse, he said that some of the guys actually suggested he go talk to him, but that it’s not the type of person he is, showing up teammates or demanding playing time. As for lasting memories, he referenced the comradery of the bullpen, saying that they may be closer than most of the team b/c they sit together every game. And he’s most proud of “Cottsy” and the resurgent year he’s having. And last but not least, he mentioned the FANS, specifically the night Elvis was in the building (Mon Night’s Thunderstormageddon), saying that even after a 3 hour rain delay, most of the fans remained to cheer on their team. (If it was him out there, he said he would’ve left after the first sight of lightning). And Twas a special moment when everyone in the building was on their feet ecstatic and screaming right before Gaudin struck out the first batter after the delay. Finally, he said Cubs fans are “as passionate as they get.” Andddd that’s all I can remember.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Aug 7, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I only caught the last minute or two of it which is when they asked him for his thoughts on Howry’s struggles. He said that he has all the trust and confidence in Howry (mentioned knowing him for 11 years) and that Howry seems to be missing pitches by half an inch or so. Normally they get popped up but that this year they seem to be catching more bat and hence more hits/HRs. In other words, it’s a lot of bad luck.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Aug 7, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not much consolation
But I hope Eyre gets to enjoy his FULL WS share as I am sure he will be voted one
if we make it. He deserves a roster spot somewhere. His assesment of Hendry backs up
everything I have always read. As I have said before for the way he handled Maddux ( which
trust me was very complicated) I would vote for him for president.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 7, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we win the WS
I would vote for him for Sainthood!
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Aug 7, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Jay.
Scott is a class act and I hope he’s back pitching soon.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 7, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Harden Trade Yields Its First Injury Report
And it’s not who you thought.
No, it’s not Harden, but Sean Gallagher, who will skip at least one start because of shoulder inflammation.
Manager Bob Geren said that Sean Gallagher returned to the Bay Area for an MRI on his sore right shoulder, which showed inflammation, but the decision was made not to put the rookie on the DL; instead, his next start will be pushed back five or six days
Here’s the story:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=21&entry_id=28854
by zevkalman on Aug 7, 2008 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Earlier reports
sounded a lot worse. Too bad for Sean. Thorough BCB dissection from yesterday and today can be found here.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Aug 7, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoulder inflammation is never a good thing...
It may be that he is back pitching in a few weeks. But if I am the Oakland A’s I am a lot more concerned with the causation for the inflammation. If I were them I would shut Gallagher down for the season and send him off to Dr. Andrews in Birmingham as precaution. The A’s aren’t going to make the playoffs so no sense trying to get Gallagher to pitch again this season.
by MDBNIU on Aug 7, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Causation of Inflammation
is a sensation that is in relation to the rotation of the whole nation.
He’s a young guy that needs to get innings in also in order to set himself up for a better campaign next year. I agree that if his arm is about to fall off, shut him down. But there’s no reason to rush to judment right now. If he can come back this year, then why not?
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Aug 7, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Hangover Batman!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Aug 7, 2008 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Construction
The building addition on the triangle lot has been talked about forever. It will be nice to see something get down. The concept on the table right now seems fine.
All I know is that I hope Mark Cuban (who I am resigning myself to becoming the new owner) will get serious about the Wrigley Field reconstruction. Mayor Daley needs to stop being an obstructionist on everything that concerns Wrigley too.
by MDBNIU on Aug 7, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree about Daley.
It seems like the stock answer to anything the Cubs want is NO!, but there always seems to be some private negotiation later with the city getting something in return. The city benefits much more from this relationship than they are willing to admit. I would think that Daley would be a little more accomodating, but I guess he feels that he is in a position of strength.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayor Daley needs to stop being an obstructionist on everything that concerns Wrigley too.Are you surprised? He only says yes to Sox-related items, dirty money, and gun regulation.
by CoolHand on Aug 7, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-Lee
People on another site were talking about if they could trade Derrek for some good prospects and sign Texiera, would they do that?
Most of them said they’d rather move Kosuke to CF and sign a guy like Bradley or Dunn, or possibly trade for a masher.
What would you guys do?
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Aug 7, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bring up Pie.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on Aug 7, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting question...
I’d say trading Lee for prospects and getting Teixeira would be a good move. We can afford the additional salary, and Teixeira would be going INTO his prime while Lee is on his way out of his prime. And we’d get prospects in return.
I wouldn’t necessarily look at an either/or with trades involving Fukudome versus Lee, but I probably wouldn’t make a trade of Fukudome. He’ll be healthier than Bradley and much better defensively than Dunn. And maybe he gets better as a hitter with time to offset some of the difference in power.
That said, Teixeira is expected to sign with Baltimore (I believe), so it’s sort of a moot point.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-Lee seems to have topped out offensively, so he will
probably more valuable for his glove than his bat. Ever since his wrist injury, he doesn’t seem to be able to drive the ball to right field like he used to. He has hit a ton of weak fly balls to right this year and that is not a good sign. Texiera would probably hit a ton in Wrigley, but he is going to cost you an arm and two legs. You have to be able to get value in return for D-Lee if you pull this off and I’m not sure you can.
I like the idea of moving Kosuke to CF if he is willing and picking up a left-handed thumper to play right field. Dunn has the bat, but he is a butcher in the firld and won’t work out in right field.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe D-Lee has a full no-trade clause
by Wreckard on Aug 7, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may be willing to agree to
a trade back to the Cal area. Sometimes guys will agree to a trade back to their hometown if the pull is strong enough.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn?
For right field? Are they nuts? Dunn’s a bad LEFT fielder. I can only imagine how bad he’d be in RF.
Dunn’s likely headed to the AL to DH after this year.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa Al. Check out my post above. Dunn
would never make it in right field if you gave him a map and a seeing-eye dog.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really see a difference between RF and LF other than the arm.
And Soriano has a RF arm anyways. He’s a bad left fielder but he’s not THAT bad that the Cubs couldn’t live with his production. I don’t think he’s the sort of guy that’s going to age particularly well, though.
Looking to the future, though, you have to think that moving Kosuke to center has to be an option on the table.
by cwyers on Aug 7, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Fukudome's future may be in CF.
Who else is available as an impact RF?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 7, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends...
on whether the Cubs are willing to test Soriano in RF. That’d be a bold move, but it would also greatly expand the possibilities of adding a productive corner OF (LF is easier to fill than RF). I’d hate to lose Fukudome’s defense in RF, take a step back in CF, and add another LF (essentially trading CF quality defense for LF quality defense), but it doesn’t seem like Fukudome is going to necessarily hit enough to remain a corner OF.
It also depends upon when the transition occurs. I’d guess it makes more sense sooner rather than later, as he’s not young and he’d be moving to a more demanding position.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a pretty list:
Bobby Abreu (35)
Casey Blake (35)
Cliff Floyd (36) – $2.75MM club option for ‘09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Brian Giles (38) – $9MM club option for ‘09 with a $3MM buyout
Ken Griffey Jr. (39) – $16.5MM club option for ‘09 with a $4MM buyout
Vladimir Guerrero (33) – $15MM club option for ‘09 with a $3MM buyout
Bobby Kielty (32)
Brad Wilkerson (32)
Abreu’s a disaster in the field, and Vlad isn’t exactly a spring chicken either. I’d take on Giles – great defense and a solid bat that could probably get revived in Wrigley. The rest are all kinda scrubs.
I don’t know that the LF/CF market is much better, though.
by cwyers on Aug 7, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 to Giles
It better be a short contract though. He seems like Dome +5 years to me.
I would not be surprised if the Red Sox locked him up, if they are indeed serious about this trade
Some people have 3 layers, like pie. Blog Blog Blog
by berselius on Aug 7, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, Uncle Cliffy.
Wasn’t he considering retiring after last season? I’m surprised he’s even in the running as an outfielder. Looks like he’s takin’ it slow and low with the Rays this season – putting up a .780 OPS with 8 home runs in only 150 ABs thus far.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 7, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, he's been injured...
...and not very effective. He’s pretty much a DH at this point.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on Aug 7, 2008 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait till Tribune is out of the picture
There goes the Tribune Co., with its new owner Zell, doing what benefits them and not what benefits the franchise and its fans. I’d say – Get this team sold and get Wrigley in new hands. The sooner the better.
by AboutTheCubs on Aug 7, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If D-Lee was traded
I would be so pissed off at Hendry… he is such a loveable guy that you need on the team, plus he is a great fielder
by fuku-domenation on Aug 7, 2008 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Championship teams are built with a
sharp brain, not a soft heart.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny!
Dodgers up 3-0
"I don't think anybody's paying attention to the Cubs." - Prince Fielder
by jasoniniowa on Aug 7, 2008 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ha
good to know im not the only one on BCB paying attention to that game. :)
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Aug 7, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slow day at work
"I don't think anybody's paying attention to the Cubs." - Prince Fielder
by jasoniniowa on Aug 7, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that just about sums it up.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Aug 7, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now 4-0
Courtesy Juan “F-ing” Pierre’s triple
"I don't think anybody's paying attention to the Cubs." - Prince Fielder
by jasoniniowa on Aug 7, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Derrek is one of my all-time favorites. Just looks like he is on the decline…
I was thinking about teams that could be interested, like the Yankees, Mets, Giants, Orioles, Dodgers…
If we could get a guy like Cain from the Giants, or someone like Hughes, Kemp, Loney.. The list goes on.
If we could get our team younger and talented, I’m all for it. We’d just have to get Texiera.
You could also add Pie in for a team like the Giants who are going to need a CF’er.
None the less, should be a fun ride from here on out!
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Aug 7, 2008 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really like some of your
suggestions. I think you may be able to get more for Pie than you think. A lot of Cub fans have given up on him, but some people think than given the right situation and coahing, he might just fulfill his potential.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
I want to be a GM. Im likely going to intern with the D’Backs (I know..)
He’s proven down there. Just needs a chance. A team like the Giants who crave star players but want to rebuild as well could jump on this deal. They have good pitching prospects as well, so losing Cain could hurt but probably wouldn’t kill them.
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Aug 7, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be estatic if the Cubs
could land Cain. I’m sure the Giants would rather dump Zito over Cain, but that aint gonna happen.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they talked about a Lincecum for Rios deal last winter so...
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Aug 7, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Lincecum is going anywhere.
A deal for Cain might be doable though.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rios is a much different discussion than Lee...
Rios is cost-contained and young. Lee is expensive and getting older. And I don’t think Lincecum is going anywhere either way. He’s the type of pitcher everyone wants: young, awesome and incredibly cheap.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's realistic...
as I think the Orioles are going to get Teixeira. Teixeira has talked openly about his interest in Baltimore, and Baltimore certainly appears to be interested in him.
In the hypothetical world, I’d say it’d be a good move. Teixeira is younger, a better hitter already, a switch hitter, and is pretty good defensively too. And there’s the decline issue with Lee versus Teixeira entering his prime. But I don’t think realistically there’s any chance of it happening, even if the Cubs were willing to move Lee (which they probably aren’t).
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You never know though with Angelos.
We learned that first hand this past off-season.
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Aug 7, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angelos will never field a winning team. He seems
to think that he can get better by only trading away marginal players. You have to give value to get value. There comes a time when you have to realize your current group of players won’t win and clean house. He’s not willing to do that and McPhail can’t convince him otherwise.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I can't see him commiting 150+ to 1 player.
The reason I think this is possible because usually new owners like to make a big splash.
I mean the Diamondbacks even did it when they got Shawn Green, Javier Vazquez, and Russ Ortiz, when they thought he was good.
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Aug 7, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right about that. He is as cheap as
he is misguided. Isn’t Boras his agent? I doubt it if Angelos would deal with him at all.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trades are different than free agents...
And Teixeira is the type of move that I think he’d LOVE to make. He very much wants to win, he’s just not smart about it. A move like that would stick it to the Yankees, and he’d love that.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right. He does like to pickup free
agents, but he gets the wrong ones and he sours on them pretty quick. He picks up a guy like Tejada, but he doesn’t build the team around him. He just doesn’t make sound baseball decisions.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does make dumb decisions...
but at the same time, he does go after free agents. In this case, the pieces line up. You have a big-name free agent that will be highly coveted on the east coast AND you have a guy who wants to play in Baltimore.
Obviously, there’ll be other contenders for his services. I just think it’s a move that is more likely to happen.
The Orioles are also in a situation in which they have a team to work with. If they can keep Roberts and get Teixeira, you put them with Adam Jones and Nick Markakis and you have a nice nucleus offensively.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angelos will figure some way to screw it up. His
history just says he will.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure that signing Texiera would be the screwup.
by cwyers on Aug 7, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Orioles need to rebuild.
If they think that their token pussyfooting with the idea of rebuilding since the Bedard deal is enough, they’re wrong. There are huge structural problems with that franchise that simply aren’t solved by Teixiera; he’s a Band-Aid on a sucking chest wound.
by cwyers on Aug 7, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't sugar coat it Cwyers. Tell
us how you really feel!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After all this time on BCB
you’d think he’d learn to open up a bit.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Aug 7, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not the solution...
but for a franchise with tons of money, I think he’s a nice start. Teixeira is entering his prime and is really really good. I don’t see the mistake in signing him long term.
I think the mistake would be stopping at signing Teixeira. But I’m not sure how you can convince me that signing a young, very productive, good defensive 1B is a bad idea when your current option is Kevin Millar and you have a wealthy owner.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Texiera is past his prime.
I know, I know – later primes with medical advancements, etc., etc. But when you factor in hitting and baserunning, prime years are earlier than most people think – Texiera is at hitting prime but past prime value overall.
And as a first baseman, he has absolutely nowhere else to go (except DH, I suppose) as his defense begins to slip.
by cwyers on Aug 7, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You expect his defense to slip in the next five years?
I think you’re getting too wrapped up in prime concerns. He’s 28. Lee’s defense at 1B seems to be just fine at 32.
Will someone be overpaying on the back end of the Teixeira deal? If they give him 10 years, absolutely.
4-5 years of Teixeira in his prime production is absolutely worth it for a team that can spend. No team with pockets as deep as Baltimore should take that long to rebuild. The Cubs should be proof of that.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slight edit...
“slip substantially…” His defense may slip a bit as he reaches 32, but he plays 1B (which should see less of an age-related decline than anywhere else) and he plays it well.
As I said, I think signing Teixeira makes sense for them. Get a star player in his offensive prime at a position in which defense recedes less quickly and build around him. The key will be CONTINUING to add pieces and not simply deciding that Teixeira is enough.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure I expect his defense to slip.
Defensive peak age is probably right around 23.
And the Cubs’ insta-turnaround was only possible because they could scrape up Rich Hill and Sean Marshall out of their farm system. The Orioles farm system doesn’t have the sort of starting pitching to help out right now.
by cwyers on Aug 7, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree...
As neither Hill nor Marshall are remotely key reasons we are successful this year. Soriano, Zambrano (a free agent signing that happened to be a retainee), Lee, Ramirez, Fukudome, Edmonds/Johnson, Lilly, and Wood are bigger reasons.
Only Carlos Marmol and Soto stand out as in-house keys, and I think the Orioles have some good young offensive players.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking back to 2007.
Without those two pitching the way they did, the Cubs were probably a second-place team. They also got Derrek Lee back. And they were in the weakest division in baseball.
I don’t think the Orioles have the pieces in place to do a one-year turnaround like the Cubs did at all, especially now that the Rays have turned into an absolute juggernaut.
by cwyers on Aug 7, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they went from 66 wins...
to second-place (i.e., competitive). See my point?
I didn’t say it would only take one year. I said it wouldn’t take 4-5 years. The Cubs are probably the best-case scenario, but 2-3 years is perfectly reasonable if you add free agents appropriately. And Teixeira will still be a huge force and well worth the money at 30-31, even into 33-34 probably.
The key is to keep going. But that’s the part that won’t happen: Angelos’s mistake will be stopping after getting Teixeira.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why it's so infuriating
...to see Roberts, Cabrera, Huff and maybe Martinez still playing in Orioles uniforms. They should have been able to get something for each of them, especially Roberts and Cabrera.
by Wreckard on Aug 7, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT
Imagine the hypothetical case in which the Rays had the nerve to keep Hamilton, and the hypothetical case where Hamilton was able to rebound as a Ray (and thus that the Narron friendship wasn’t the only possible catalyst).
They’d have an amazing group of young position players (Crawford, Upton, Hamilton, Longoria) along with Iwamura and a great young staff (Kazmir, Shields, Garza, Price?).
Of course, I guess that’s what you should expect with a team that’s had the #1 pick in the draft as many times as they’ve had it, but still. It’s a pretty impressive thought.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he throws nickels around like
man hole covers. I just don’t see anything in his history that says he will open up the vault and try to bring in a bunch of talent. The farm system has mediocre talent at best, so it’s not coming from the farm. Show me something that says he’s willing to fix the thing and maybe I’ll believe it. And hiring Andy MacPhail aint it.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't just sign one big
free agent and say “That’s it, Ive got a good team.”. Did the Cubs stop when the signed Fonzie?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure you can.
It won’t WORK. But the question was simply whether or not the Orioles will sign Texiera.
by cwyers on Aug 7, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, the question is whether they'll STOP there...
You said signing Teixeira would be a mistake. I disagree with that assertion. Signing Teixeira and stopping there would be a mistake.
There is virtually no situation in which a team with the ability to have deep pockets should consider signing Teixeira a bad idea. They have A LOT of other needs, but he’s a good place to start and costs them nothing but money to get.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're reasoning like a good baseball executive
would. Remember you are talking about Angelos,
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
We’re discussing a hypothetical world here. I think we can all agree that Angelos will find a way to screw it up. But the screwup (in my opinion) will not be the signing of Teixeira, but failing to continue to bring in pieces.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a part-time Orioles fan...
The Texiera deal would be a tough one but I think they’ll make an all-out run at it.
The problem now is that no top free agents want anything to do with Baltimore – they’ve seen Tejada and Martinez fester there with big contracts on losing teams and may not be willing to do the same. Texiera has the home-town connection, so he may be more willing than most A-list free agents to give the awful, awful Orioles a shot.
I think you have to sign him just because it might be your last chance at a top free agent for a few years. Lock up Markakis and Roberts long term, then try to build the rest of the team from within.
by Wreckard on Aug 7, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Angelos had spent as
much time building a baseball team as he did fighting to keep a team out of D.C., he might be competing with Boston, Tampa, et al.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have it backwards
He should be spending his time to do business things like keeping teams out of DC (and royally screwing them on TV rights like he did).
He should letting the people he hired build the baseball team, instead of constantly meddling like he does.
by Wreckard on Aug 7, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just that he spent at lot of effort that
could have gone to building a team. Major League Baseball was determined to put a team in that market and he knew it. He just wanted to squeeze as mush out of the for himself as he could. Meanwhile, the house was burning down.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is just that effort is not what Angelos lacks
...it’s the sense to defer to the experts that he hires.
Angelos’ main problems are that he’s incredibly risk averse (won’t sign free agents with any kind of injury history), stubborn (see TTTSNBN), and unlikeable.
I think he’s put a ton of effort into building the teams over the years – I’m just saying he needs to stop making that effort and defer to his President and GM to make that effort. Just sign the checks, Peter.
by Wreckard on Aug 7, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I mention effort, I meant what a normal
owner should be doing to build a team. I realize that Angelos sticks his nose in where it shouldn’t be. He thinks he is a GM but he should be concentrating on being a good owner.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that, for a plan like this to work...
....you have to sign Texiera, and then trade Lee. Otherwise you leave yourself open to being utterly screwed – remember the Furcal deal? Between the issue of having two expensive first basemen – thus meaning you have to make a trade – and Lee’s no-trade protection, they’d have NO trade leverage.
by cwyers on Aug 7, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's simply not going to happen...
First of all, the Cubs would have to want to trade DLee. Concerns about decline aside, he’s the unofficial captain of a championship-caliber team.
But even if the organization did decide to move him, you run into the concerns that you’ve mentioned. You HAVE to sign Teixeira first, because you can’t risk having no 1B (unless you’re comfortable with a Fox/Hoffpauir platoon).
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, Lee's past his prime years.
At the same time, after this year he’ll have a 2/$26 contract. Lee’s contract is NOT backdated, so that’s $13 million per. It’s a very reasonable contract – shorter and less money than the Ramirez, Zambrano or Soriano deals. Outside of an injury I can’t see this being a deal we’ll regret before it’s over at any point.
by cwyers on Aug 7, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
which is why I said it’s not going to happen. The Cubs simply have no reason to want to make such a drastic move.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok i can see that
but ill be the soft heart, Lee is deffinatly a sharp brain
by fuku-domenation on Aug 7, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The reply feature is your friend.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 7, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers-Cards Update
Ex-Cub Juan Pierre triples in a run. 4-0 Dodgers! Middle 4.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 7, 2008 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AND: ex-Cub Izturis is the only Cardinal to have a hit so far.
by zevkalman on Aug 7, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, tasty irony.
I just flipped on the mlb.tv broadcast here.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 7, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Kershaw has pretty good stuff today. He just
struck out Ludwick and he is smart enough to walk Pujols. Twice.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny just executed a Soriano-like hop in left field.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 7, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Cards loss today...
would cut our playoff magic number to 41 (if my math is correct).
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. Wonder why the Cardinal announcers today are looking forward to the Cubs games.
They can only manage one hit against Kershaw so far (and it is the 5th inning). Their bats might be going into a slump…
by zevkalman on Aug 7, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa whoa whoa
Let’s wait until that’s about 25 . . . .
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you feel like waiting two weeks or so, fine...
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the earliest, yes.
I’m not gloom and doom, but nothing’s assured yet.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mentioning a magic number isn't assuring anything though
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I realize that
Kind of an old-school thing, I guess; don’t get too far ahead.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 8, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm certainly looking forward to the cardinals series
At worst we should win 2 out of 3, that lineup is not scary. I was more concerned with the houston series seeing how their lineup is actually threatening, outside of pujols and ludwick the cards lineup is terrible
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 7, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
With no Ankiel in their lineup, you can pitch
around their two big guys. I think we will do OK this weekend.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just win them one at a time!
Don’t start counting your chickens. Tightpants Larussa will be pulling out all the stops to try and win 2 of 3 and he’s got some mashers coming with him. That being said, I love our chances this weekend.
by Itchy on Aug 7, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off Days suck
I wandered over to cubs.com thanks to their email announcing they had beat the Astros. Thanks. I ended up seeing the finalists for the 7th inn stretch promotion. Man are they bad. Not necessarily at singing but definitely at trying to describe why they are Cubs fans.
BTW, Dodgers clinging to a 4-1 lead in the 7th.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Aug 7, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MLBTRADERUMORS reporting Eyre traded to Phillies.
by Rick B on Aug 7, 2008 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just saw that
According to Todd Zolecki of the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Phillies acquired lefty Scott Eyre for A ball pitcher Brian Schlitter.
by Itchy on Aug 7, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the 4 game series in August
We will all have a chance to give him a standing ovation he deserves. I actually hope he pitches
good in the series but let the fielders mess up plays for some nice Unearned runs.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 7, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
too bad Harry’s not still alive to pronounce that last name.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on Aug 7, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah folks and Schlitter spelled backwards is - aw forget it!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers really needed Manny to
add some offense. That team is really weak offensively. Is there a more offensively challenged division that the NL West?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It looks like the Cardinals are phoning this one in today.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice to send them back home 9 down come weekends end
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 7, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers must be DREAMING about this weekend
Nats are already one the worst teams in the MLB and they will be coming off
a double header against the Rockes while the Cubs play the Cards so they win
either way.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 7, 2008 3:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Things to do on a day off. Calculating.
The Brewers and Cubs both have 47 games left. If the Cubs go 24-23(they won’t) the rest of the way, the Brewers would have to go 30-17(they won’t) to pass them.
by Rick B on Aug 7, 2008 3:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats pretty encouraging
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 7, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
if the Cubs go 27-20, just a .574 winning percentage compared with their year to date winning percentage of .600, the Brewers would have to go 33-14. Which is very tough.
If the Cubs go 28-20, which just about equals their year-to-date percentage, the Brewers would have to go 34-13.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Aug 7, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I like our chances to win the division...
ESPN has us at 81% chance of winning the division and 94.6% chance of making the playoffs. Not quite enough to confidently rule out the possibility of incorrectly predicting that we’ll make the playoffs, but pretty darn close.
by SouthernCub on Aug 7, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could with the easy schedule they have.
Take a look at it, the rest of August is pathetic.
by Itchy on Aug 7, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going through the schedule I am
projecting them to finish 27-20 which would give them 96 wins, and the division.
by Rick B on Aug 7, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cards have tieing run at the plate in the 9th with 1 out
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 7, 2008 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't say that the Cardinal players
use steroids. Blue Mike will get a hissy fit.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Don't make things up about players" would be more like it
Unless you can connect Ankiel to steroids in some way you’re just taking a piss.
by Wreckard on Aug 7, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, a lot of us don't like it -- it's kinda lame.
I think Al asked for it to stop, too.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 7, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel K's, 2 down
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 7, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cards lose 4-1
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on Aug 7, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bullpen rested
2 IP from Isring is all they needed.
by ballstitch on Aug 7, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dreaming of Erin Andrews running the bases in stiletto heels.
off days are good
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
by Employee22 on Aug 7, 2008 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bowling and Cuban
I was there last night. Great event.
Guys Cuban has won me over. Now that Don Levin appears to be out of the running.
The Cubs are just in a relaxed and happy mood. They are as friendly and outgoing as everyone would expect. But if they have to bowl their way into the series there might be trouble.
It could have just been appearances and one night but this seemed to be a group of men who genuinely like each other with the banter and joking around. This could only be good.
I’ve been to each one of these and just like this season in the park the atmosphere wasdifferent in a good way.
They raised a boatload of money last night which is always good.
And Justin Dean Wood is the spitting image of his Dad and a big kid for 2 1/2. Maybe he’ll be a Cubs star someday.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 7, 2008 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course theyd be in a great mood last night--The Cubs that is
They were not only riding the Karma train but also probably having a good Bud Light night out considering they finally had an ofday. I saw the interview and DeRo and Lilly seemed a little buzzed, and good for them.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Aug 7, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also---Im jealous you were there.
Thats pretty cool.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Aug 7, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
was Geo there?
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 7, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he was.
Here is a picture of him meeting Tiffany Cuban.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1096001,CST-NWS-cuban07.article
How can you not like an owner for this team who has CUBan in his name?
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 7, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
How have I looked at that for the last ~6 months and not seen it?!?
So do we change the pronunciation of his name from Qben to Cubben?
a win is a win.
by JoToPo on Aug 7, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubban works for me. ;-)
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on Aug 8, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my God...
...I swear it never even occurred to me that Mark Cuban has “Cub” in his name until you just pointed it out. Well, that’s that. Put me in his corner!
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 7, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you ever meet Levin?!
A few guys I know say he’s a royal jerk. I trust their opinions.
by astroview on Aug 8, 2008 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off day!
I decided to spend today watching This Old Cub, which I got through Netflix a couple of weeks ago, but haven’t found the time to watch yet.
Well, today I had time, so today I watched. Camped out in front of the big TV with an Oreo Blizzard (remember, today every Blizzard means a donation to the Children’s Miracle Network.)
What I saw was a great, great movie, up until the last twelve minutes. The reason I say that is because I can’t watch the last twelve minutes, as the disc goes all choppy and then freezes up. I actually took a look at the disc, and it turns out there’s a crack in it.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.
Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.
by Cool Hand on Aug 7, 2008 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate when that happens
My netflix copy is due next week. Can’t wait!
by Emelie on Aug 8, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great movie
I got Ron to sign it at a game… he thought it was weird I was asking him to sign a dvd…he also had me hold his cane while he signed it…..
I'm a reader not a poster, but I'm also a poster so don't get any ideas.
by cozmotaylor123 on Aug 7, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't look back...
...while enjoyable those seasons didn’t end well, LOL!
More parking adjacent to the stadium, to me, is not a good idea. Making it so the train or walking from a distant lot is probably better for the residents of the neighborhood at night games. So making the new building a wash over existing parking seems reasonable.
I just finished reading Paul Sullivan’s article on Eyre in the Tribune. I was very impressed with Eyre’s comments. It’s refreshing to see a professional speak so honestly about his circumstance and ability. I hope that we see him in the playoffs.
by DudeVf11 on Aug 7, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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