Looking Back... And Ahead
There are a couple of news items this morning that I know you're going to want to dive into, but first, let's look back at some of the better teams of Cubs past, to see where this year's edition might be headed.
The Cubs are 23 games over .500. The last time they were 24 games over .500 was October 1, 1989, the last day of that NL East title season. They beat the Cardinals 5-1 and finished the year 93-69.
The last time the Cubs were more than 24 games over .500 was September 30, 1984; they won the final regular season game that year, beating the Cardinals 2-1 and finishing the 1984 season 96-65, 31 games over. The high point of the 1984 season was reached on September 15, when they beat the Mets to go 90-58, 32 games over.
In only one other season since the last pennant in 1945 have the Cubs been 32 games over .500; that was in 1969, when they reached that mark several times, the last time on September 2, when they beat the Reds 8-4. They were 84-52.
The 1945 pennant winners finished 98-56, 42 games over .500 -- that's the best Cubs record since 1935, which was the last time the Cubs won 100 games.
Those are marks for this team, which is clearly the best Cubs team in my lifetime, to shoot for.
Now, on to two topics of interest: Mark Cuban showed up at Kerry Wood's benefit bowling tournament last night and a couple of players weighed in on the idea that Cuban could, among other things, improve the clubhouse:
"Our locker room is pretty awesome," joked Cubs pitcher Ryan Dempster on Wednesday during a charity celebrity bowling event that Cuban attended. "We get to see everybody naked, and hang out and have a good time."
"I don't know if [Cuban] has ever been in the clubhouse," [Reed] Johnson said. "But I know there's not much room underneath to do much, unless they put some dynamite down there and dig straight down."
Finally, remember that building the Cubs were going to build west of the park? The one with additional parking? Well, it's apparently going to be a bit different than originally planned:
Cubs Chairman Crane Kenney said the building planned for a triangular parcel adjacent to the stadium has been "completely re-designed" by Tribune Co. CEO Sam Zell's real estate team to include more retail and office space at the expense of parking.
The new garage would shrink to 250 spaces to accommodate players, team officials, sponsors and media whose late departure from Cubs games would not exacerbate post-game congestion. To make up for the loss of parking, a smaller garage could be built on less valuable land away from Wrigley, sources said.
The ordinance allowing the Cubs to build the bleacher expansion required them to provide one parking space for every ten new bleacher seats -- or about 180 spaces. So, even though they're scaling down the parking, they still satisfy the ordinance. They'd basically be putting the same cars that now park in that surface lot where the building will go, into the new building. We await further developments.
Enjoy the off day. Here's hoping the Cardinals and Dodgers play about 16 innings this afternoon.
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Hopefully the Cubs can enjoy the off day
God knows the bullpen needed it.
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by nji232 on
Aug 7, 2008 8:32 AM CDT
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Id love to see Cuban own the team
and start pulling pranks on dempster after his new deal comes in
by fuku-domenation on
Aug 7, 2008 8:41 AM CDT
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Not the other way round ?
I can just see Dempster telling new owner Cuban that he needs to take off Aug- Oct because he
has been selected to be on DANCING WITH THE STARS
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on
Aug 7, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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There is a Cubs shaped void in my heart today...
sigh
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on
Aug 7, 2008 8:42 AM CDT
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Oh, I dunno.
Nice to relax for a day and look back and enjoy what’s happened so far, and look forward to tomorrow.
Right?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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OK (he mopes)
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on
Aug 7, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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I'm sorry, the man said mopes.
make/art
by neverAcquiesce on
Aug 7, 2008 1:17 PM CDT
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This is the best kind of day off.
Cubs in first place. Huge blowout win yesterday. Another series in the bank. The Brewers and Cards still somewhat comfortably at bay. Big series coming up. I’m gonna fire up my new mlb.tv subscription several times today and watch that 8-run third inning from yesterday.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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+1
...these seem rare and its nice to enojy the view from this vantage point!
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on
Aug 7, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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I am looking forward to it
This is my FIRST “off day” when coming back for Cubs games EVER. Usually I get 10 games
in 10 days in my summer homestand ( once I got 11 because of a Double header )
I am literally planning to go jump in the lake this afternoon. I have not been at the Fullerton
beach since high school. YIPEE!
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on
Aug 7, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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It looks like Cuban is putting on
the full cort press to become the owner of the Cubs. I think a businessman of his success and passion for winning can only be a positive for the Cubs. For years we have complained of the lack of passion and committment of the Wrigley Company and subsequent ownership by the Tribune Company, well now we may get both in spades. I, for one am looking forward to the Mark Cuban era.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Aug 7, 2008 8:46 AM CDT
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i've never understood the hate for the trib....
they have funded us better than most teams in the bigs and without their commitment of resources, we wouldn’t have the team we have today
by cubswynn on
Aug 7, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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The truth is somewhere in the middle.
For many years there WASN’T that kind of commitment. Only in the last two years have they really done so, and the results on the field speak for themselves.
That’s why I’d like to see Cuban CONTINUE what’s been started since Andy MacPhail was dumped, rather than swoop in as a “savior”. People in various threads here are convinced he’d do that. Me, not so much. But I’m still listening.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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the tribune point is granted
listening? wow al, it sounds like you’re starting to soften up on cuban
by cubswynn on
Aug 7, 2008 9:06 AM CDT
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I'm listening to reasonable arguments.
That’s all I can say right now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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it's not that i am in love with cuban particularly
he is simply the only one i know of…...and what i know of him is that he doesn’t like to lose and will spend the kind of money to make a winner
the other bidders might do the same, but we simply don’t know that…..so i’ll go with the sure thing, with some baggage over taking a risk on the unknown
by cubswynn on
Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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I think that's fair. The one thing you
can say about Cuban is that the Dallas franchise appears to be in better shape now than we he purchased it. If he does the same for the Cubs, we will be in good shape.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Aug 7, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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It would have been hard for the Mavs to be worse off...
... than before he bought them; two years earlier (in the strike year of 98-99) they finished 19-31. They won 40 games the year Cuban bought them, but hadn’t had that many wins in over a decade.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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Does this article help at all?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3522935
“The Cubs have got smart, smart people here. I mean they’re winning, they’re doing great things, I’ll just stay out of the way,” Cuban said. “Believe it or not, I can stay out of the way.”
Sounds like he’s not planning on blowing the whole thing up if he gets the team.
by SuperContext on
Aug 7, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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And why would he?
The team is WINNING. If we were a terrible team, he’d probably want to blow things up. But he’s a pretty smart businessman despite being very competitive and into sports. He probably does know better than to try to fix something that isn’t broken.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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I would hope so.
As I said in another thread, if that comment is true, then I’d be more inclined to say “Sure”.
But Cuban hasn’t “stayed out of the way” with the Mavs. Steinbrenner said he’d do that with the Yankees, too, and didn’t—and make no mistake, the Yankees current run of success only began when Steinbrenner stopped meddling.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 10:34 AM CDT
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The key difference between Steinbrenner and Cuban is
that Cuban is probably sincere in believing he can stay out of the way. I doubt it, but believe he thinks he can. Steinbrenner was using his tested technique of lying.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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I don't know about that
But I will say is that one big difference is that Mark Cuban is going to be famous whether or not he owns the Cubs. George Steinbrenner is nobody if he doesn’t own the Yankees. Therefore, Cuban might feel less of a need to inject himself into team affairs because he doesn’t need to make a name for himself.
That’s just supposition, of course.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on
Aug 7, 2008 2:23 PM CDT
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Or it could be the opposite...
... since Cuban is ALREADY famous, he will want to trade off that fame and STAY famous, and keep himself as big as the Cubs are.
That’s just speculation and I could be way off base here.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 2:25 PM CDT
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I don't know how much day-to-day control he has
Over the basketball decisions for the Mavs. But if you are talking about what happened when he first bought the team, he had to do something in Dallas to turn that franchise around. It’s a completely different situation here, obviously.
I think its entirely possible that he will “stay out of the way” of the actual baseball decisions, at least to the same extent that any other owner does, but still maintain a vocal, outspoken (some would say annoying) presence in the media.
What I like about Cuban is that he seems to understand that running a team so it will make a profit and doing things to keep the fan happy are not mutually exclusive, but in fact work together. I believe that many Cuban doubters will be pleasantly surprised if he ends up with the team.
by SuperContext on
Aug 7, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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In addition
to your last paragraph, I think he has also learned a lot in his years with the Mavs about owning a team. He has experience in all of those aspects of being an owner and I think that also makes him a good candidate.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on
Aug 7, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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I'm in favor of Cuban, and here's why:
MLB owners are either billionaires or large corporations. Both billionaires and corporate execs tend to have one-track minds; they think in terms of “internal rate of return”—how much profit they can make on their investment. That is how billionaires become billionaires and how corporations survive. That is what makes Capitalism go around. But that mode of thinking will not necessarily yield new contracts for Ryan Dempster or Kerry Wood. (All you have to do is look at what happened to the Braves after Ted Turner sold out to Time Warner.)
I believe that Mark Cuban would bring to the Cubs the same attitude that Turner brought to the Braves; the team would be his hobby - a billionaire’s toy. If Cuban views the Cubs as his hobby, he will spend money to make his hobby fun - and winning is fun—even though his IRR might be lower than an expected IRR in another investment capacity.
Since I believe that Cuban loves to win, I believe that he would maintain an upper echelon payroll, pour money into scouting and the farm system, and make improvements to Wrigley Field. Isn’t that the most fans could ask for from an owner?
I’m not necessarily saying that Don Levin would not have been a good owner, only that I would much rather have Cuban (even with the occasional embarrassment thrown in) as the owner than Canning or someone else who will be looking strictly at the bottom line.
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by DeRoMyHero on
Aug 7, 2008 2:39 PM CDT
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Well said
I think (hope) that he’s smart enough to let the baseball people make the baseball decisions—at least as long as the team is winning.
Hopefully one or two bad seasons (which hopefully don’t happen for a while) wouldn’t make him think that major changes are needed and he’s start interfering.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 7, 2008 2:45 PM CDT
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Don't forget that the 16 inning game
must result in a Cardinal loss!
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on
Aug 7, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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Well, that goes without saying!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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Odds of retention of Dempster and his rapier wit?
I’d say very slim. In a day and age when AJ Burnett and Carl Pavano can get upwards of $50m, I would be shocked if Demp wanted (and got) 6 years around $65m. Don’t forget, the guy’s only 30 years old.
My guess is that Hendry will hope that Harden is healthy next year, and will go with Z/Harden/Lilly/Marquis/Marshall. That said, Dempster looks like he may have actually turned his career around, and would be a great 3-4 year investment for the Cubs, if they can get him for ~35m.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Aug 7, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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Dempster will get some nice money from us.
No way will Hendry let him go unless the Yankees make some insane offer. Remember this is the first year he has started in a while, and never with this success.
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by nji232 on
Aug 7, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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I'm hoping Dempster wants to stay
and is willing to drop his price a little. He always seemed sincerely grateful that the Cubs took a chance on him after it looked like his career was over.
by daeviant on
Aug 7, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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I agree.
Dempster seems to really enjoy being a Cub and living in Chicago during the season. I suspect he might give a bit of a hometown discount.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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As Oakley says below
the hindrance is really how much they can pay him in light of the nearly 10m they have to pay Marquis next year.
I agree that Dempster probably would love to stay with the Cubs, but I can picture his agent saying “You saw how Ryan pitched this year. If he pitches half that well over the course of the contract, how can he possibly get paid less than Marquis?”
Plus, as much as he may love it here, an additional 20m from another team would pay for another two generations of Dempsters. That’s a lot to turn down.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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It will depend on what the payroll is...
because several players will be due payraises based on their contracts. Dempster is probably going to be offered in the neighborhood of $15 million per year. So he may have to take a substantial discount to stay. We’ll see though.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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My thoughts exactly.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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plus, I mean...
there’s no reasonable difference between $65mill and $50mill. How rich does he have to be?
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Aug 7, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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I dunno
I’d guess Hendry will want him back, but the financial quagmire that is the 5th starter may hinder the budget to keep Dempster. If Marquis can be moved, then there may be $$$ to keep him.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:10 AM CDT
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Even at $10 m for next year...
... I’d guess there would be takers for Marquis. A lot of teams could use an inning-eater like that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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Don't disagree, but
was speculating that re-signing Demp may require freeing up the Marquis commitment.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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Possibly so.
Or, even HALF of it. Remember, the Cubs have Scott Eyre off the payroll next year, that’s $3 million freed up. Bob Howry’s deal is up, that’s another $3m. Henry Blanco may not be back, that’s another $2m.
Add all those up and there may be money for Dempster anyway.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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resign blanco! do backup catchers get any better?
plus he is a GREAT mentor for geo
by cubswynn on
Aug 7, 2008 9:23 AM CDT
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I agree.
I wasn’t saying I don’t want Blanco back, only that I suspect he may either not re-sign, or might retire.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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I think that the offers from other clubs
will just be too much for Dempster to turn down. He’s always had good stuff, but this year has finally put it all together. As a result, he’s less of a one-year wonder, and may demand more than the Cubs are willing to pay.
That said, if the Cubs do the unmentionable, I don’t care if ANYONE comes back next year. I’ll be too drunk to notice.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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and i wasn't saying you were
i’m just a big fan of hammerin’ hank white
by cubswynn on
Aug 7, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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Please, no.
The Cubs have Wellington Castillo in the minors who most likely will be ready to take on backup catcher duties. If he still needs some seasoning in the minors, then the Koyie Hills of the world stand ready to assist.
The Cubs have a lot of escalating contracts on the book, and all those players are on the downside of the aging curve. You have to maintain flexability somewhere.
by cwyers on
Aug 7, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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Agreed...
The payroll is already going up over $4-5 million, and that is before considering re-signing Wood and/or Dempster. We could be looking at a $25 million payroll increase simply to keep the key pieces in place (assuming Dempster gets ~$12 million and Wood gets ~$8 million).
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 1:01 PM CDT
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Which is why Ryan Theriot is so useful
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
by dr stabbingworth on
Aug 7, 2008 3:32 PM CDT
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That doesn't consider salary increases for other players...
All of those backloaded contracts Hendry put together over the past few years are going to be escalating.
Not saying it can’t be done – just that it may take some substantial trickery. And Dempster’s expiring contract was at one point part of the flexibility we discussed when Soriano, Ramirez, Lee, et al signed those backloaded deals.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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I would think we
would have to offer Dempster at least $10 mil per year. He is loads better than Marquis and it would seem to be an insult, IMO, to offer Demp anything less than what Marquis was paid.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Aug 7, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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We'll have to offer Dempster at least $10 million per year...
Regardless of what Marquis is making. Market value for Dempster is going to probably be in the $13-15 million per year range. So $10 million per year would be as much as a 33% discount off of market value. That’s probably pushing it.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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My thoughts exactly
If Dempster can convince the market that this year’s performance is anywhere CLOSE to how he’d perform over the court of a 4-5 year deal, he’d get 13m per year. Easy. There’s no way we can afford that considering all the back-loaded deals, and there’s no way Ryan turns that down.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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We'll see...
As I said in another post, I’m not saying it’s impossible, just that it could be really tricky. It’d almost certainly require more backloading. It may or may not be possible, depending upon the new management’s willingness to spend.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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It took me a little bit
to realize that the same person was not replying to themselves in the last three posts.
Anyway, I just hope that Demp is able to stick around. I really like him as a person and a player and think he is a great guy to have in the clubhouse.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Aug 7, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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Yeah, I can see the confusion...
I guess Southside and I will have to agree to not discuss things with each other anymore. :)
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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I do not think there is "no way"
as someone stated above, it just seems like the guy likes being here, with this organization. And he seems loyal enough to give a hometown discount. Granted, when millions are involved, loyalties change, but something to keep in mind.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
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Aug 7, 2008 9:52 AM CDT
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Has there been a funnier Cubs player
than Dempster? I can’t remember such a huge, huge jokester like Ryan Dempster. I love his personality and wit and want him back on this team for years to come.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Aug 7, 2008 9:40 AM CDT
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I enjoy his sense
of humor too and hope he with the Cub’s organization for years.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on
Aug 7, 2008 2:08 PM CDT
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Jay Johnstone
Prankster supreme!
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on
Aug 7, 2008 6:07 PM CDT
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Rabbit Maranville
puts Dempster and Johnstone to shame. Maranville would pull his practical jokes during the games—often on umpires.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on
Aug 7, 2008 8:25 PM CDT
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the only concern i have
is the innings jump. i know dempster has been solid this year, but i worry about a breakdown possibly next year after moving back into the rotation.
never the less, i’d resign him. having 4 reliable starters in this day is a huge advantage for the cubs.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Aug 7, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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Silver lining?
While I agree we should try to re-sign Dempster, there could be some silver lining if he left—we’d probably get some big draft choice compensation (maybe up to two first rounders)....
by Chadnudj on
Aug 7, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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true.
I’d only let him go if the team felt that Marshall or someone else (Gaudin) could seamlessly fill that role, and I’m not sure either one of them can.
More likely, I think, is Marquis goes, Dempster stays, and Marshall is starter No. 5
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Aug 7, 2008 12:23 PM CDT
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Kind of OT, but it does impact the playoff chase
The Cardinals are going to bring Wainwright back as a reliever, most likely to be their closer again.
Last night they had some success with rookie Chris Perez closing out the game for them. As I have said previously, a legit closer like Wainwright makes them scary. This could end up being worse news for the Brewers, but still a very interesting situation.
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by nji232 on
Aug 7, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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Well, they do need a closer.
Wainwright did a good job for them two years ago. This helps the Cardinal pitching staff.
Which, we hope, will be overextended by a long extra-inning game today!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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I'm sure that the Cards would prefer
to put Wainright back in the rotation, but their bullpen is a MESS, and considering his previous success there, it’s probably a smart move.
That said, once Carpenter’s arm falls off again, they’ll be right back where they were.
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It's only a smart move to the extent...
...that it saves Wainwright from future injury. The Cardinal’s bullpen is a mess, sure, but it’s not like their starting rotation is in great shape – Joel Piniero? Mitchell Boggs?
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This is the 2nd or 3rd time this year
that Wainwright has tried to come off the DL…this injury has taken much more time than the organization expected…They are pretty much handcuffed by the pitch-counts he will most likely be stuck to, and really have no option other than the bullpen.
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Aug 7, 2008 12:53 PM CDT
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OT: The World is Ending!
According to ESPN…. Joba is headed to the 15-Day DL. Please seek shelter.
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Not quite this alone, but....
this combined with Favre in Queens will make the earth shake and eliminate all national coverage of the Cubs season.
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:06 AM CDT
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Isn't Favre going to replace Joba in the Yankees rotation?
I thought that was part of the deal getting him traded to a NY team.
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by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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Oh Al.....
We all know Favre isn’t a pinpoint passer. He’s more Wild Thing Vaughn than Big Unit.
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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Sort of a Mitch Williams type?
Maybe he can take over for Mariano Rivera as closer next year if Rivera retires.
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by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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Only thing that is certain is that my infrequent viewings of sportcenter will cease altogether.
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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I loved when ESPN made a huge deal
when Joba pumped his fist on the mound after a strikeout.
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Probably how he hurt his shoulder.
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by N Oakley on
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On the new building......
..... if Zell and fiends are going to sell, why meddle with the building design? Are they going to sell the club and hold on to Wrigley while this is contructed? I don’t get it.
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I wondered that too..
But guess it helps the value if they can deliver a City approved plan as part of the sale.
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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Probably so.
And who knows—maybe they did this in consultation with one or more of the prospective buyers.
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by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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Maybe....
If you look at the picture really really close, you can see the sign for Mark Cuban’s Chicago Dogs and Internet Cafe.
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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Interesting idea. Zell seems to be throwing a few curveballs in
this deal. You know that they want to get the maximum cash return on their investment but this building deal is a bit confusing.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on
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If some of the office and retail space is going to be rented out
to other businesses, it could make it a little more attractive. I don’t know if that was ever specified though.
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You'd think there would be...
... enough space to make money on rentals to, say, an ESPN Zone. A Harry Caray’s would have been perfect, but they already have a Wrigleyville space now.
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by Al on
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Espn Zone? ewwwww
That said, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cubs TV rights, to at least home day games, purchased by ESPN in the future when the new owner has the ability to put the rights out to bid.
With ESPN, ESPN 2, Classic, News, etc. They need original day programming and the Cubs have the national following created by the superstation.
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:22 AM CDT
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I suspect the new owner...
... whoever it is, may try to start a Cubs network similar to the Yankees’ YES network. That could be a big moneymaker.
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by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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That could work as well.
I remember Yes having a huge problem getting started, but can’t recall the specifics.
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:28 AM CDT
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Wow that would be brilliant...
...does YES broadcast each and every Yankee game? I would love to have a 24/7 Cubs channel!
Dan
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by dtpollitt on
Aug 7, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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I think I would hate that...
as it would likely prevent an out-of-region guy like me from seeing Cubs games.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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Oh, I'm totally out of region, too, down here in KC
But I would go to any cable/satellite company that had this channel. Television should be a la carte, truly, but don’t get me started on that rant. Cable companies are just as incompetent as the best of em, like the RIAA.
Dan
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by dtpollitt on
Aug 7, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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Cable and satellite companies will always rip you off...
if they can. A la carte certainly makes sense for the consumer, but why would the providers do that? Probably 90% of the channels on packages are underviewed, so you overpay for the stuff you want and get a bunch you don’t want.
It stinks for us, but I think they have found a way to make the most money.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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I disagree...
...I think it is clear venues like iTunes or Amazon or even Crackle or Hulu work in both a la carte paid and unpaid formats. The pressure that comes with a la carte is quality, nothing more, nothing less. We wouldn’t see Family Feud with Al Roker (?!) or Wife Swap.
I want to pay for the channels and shows I know are quality. How many channels do you watch? 6? 10? Not many. And I think this is why illegal downloading is so popular – because we want the quality, meaningful content how and when we want it. I truly believe that people will pay for the media they enjoy. Maybe it’s a generation thing, but if I can’t get my (insert media format) when and how I want it, I’m going to get it illegally. I see mainly as a failure of access and/or distribution.
Dan
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by dtpollitt on
Aug 7, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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Those ventures can work...
but are they more profitable than the other approach? Those are different media ventures after all.
I’d DEFINITELY prefer the alternative you suggest. But for that to work in a cable/satellite environment, you’d have to lower price and hope for much greater market coverage. Well, the market for cable/satellite in many/most areas is already pretty saturated. So I’d have trouble seeing how companies would increase quantity of subscription enough to offset price.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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Fair enough.
I think we can both agree the current format sucks, and needs revamping…but as to what new format, who knows?
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by dtpollitt on
Aug 7, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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IPTV
And MLB.TV already has the product. Yes, it is lower quality than standard definition TV. Yes, you have to watch it on a small screen because your TV is not Internet-enabled.
Both of those things will change soon enough - at least for your generation :)
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Aug 7, 2008 6:29 PM CDT
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No, because...
... it’d be on Extra Innings. You’d have to pay, but it’d be available.
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by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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Right, which is something I also don't want to do...
I kind of like having the relatively free 50-60 games I get on WGN. So I wouldn’t like it.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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Ahh, I see your point.
I think the beauty of a Cubs’ channel is our fanbase, which is extremely spread out throughout the country, any and all fans are able to access each and every Cubs’ game. Do east and west coast cable/satellite companies broadcast WGN?
Dan
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Aug 7, 2008 9:58 AM CDT
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They do on the East Coast...
I haven’t been to the West Coast, but I was under the impression that WGN was a nationally broadcast “Superstation,” sort of like a poor man’s TBS. So I think it’s on out there too.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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I think it is available for companies to pick up on their lineup...
...but is not in every network/part of the country. I’m not sure, though.
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by dtpollitt on
Aug 7, 2008 10:08 AM CDT
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WGN is broadcast on the west coast.
A lot of players from California grew up watching Cubs games because they were the only game on, (esp. when it was still all day games at Wrigley). WGN is a superstation, not really a poor man’s TBS though. It’s just too bad the model of a ‘superstation’ is changing and TBS is out of Braves baseball. We’ll see what happens.
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Aug 7, 2008 10:08 AM CDT
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Yeah, I suspect that will be the trend...
that, and the EI packages. Too much money is out there to be made.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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With a new owner
would the Cubs even be on WGN at all anymore regardless of a Cubs 24-hour channel? The new owner will also have a piece of Comcast Sports here in Chicago so I’d think most games will go there at a minimum.
by cubbot on
Aug 7, 2008 12:19 PM CDT
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I guess it all depends...
but that may be the case as well. If so, I will be displeased with that also.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 12:33 PM CDT
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A lot of that depends...
... who winds up owning WGN, which Zell may also sell.
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by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 2:26 PM CDT
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opinion
I’ve kinda held my opinion out of the ownership thing cause my only real opinion is I hope to get a owner who is willing to shell out 100+ million a year and field a winning team year after year.
With that being said I think this is exactly why Cuban wants this team. He has that high tech HDTV channel that he created. Not sure what its called. If he buys this team and puts them exclusively on “his network” he knows he’ll be getting millions of viewers. So basically he’s getting a 2 for 1 deal. Smart move by him.
As far as the meddling goes, he has courted a high caliber team in dallas year after year. Like all sports mgmnt can only do so much. you win or lose the games on the court or field. All we can ask for as fans is to have a owner who cares enough to shell out the bux for “high caliber’ players.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
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Aug 7, 2008 2:45 PM CDT
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I doubt he'd put the Cubs exclusively on HDNet.
It doesn’t have enough national coverage. Yet. Now, putting the Cubs on it might GET it that coverage.
More likely is the possibility of an all-Cubs channel like the Yankees’ YES Network.
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by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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how about
a “Ron Santo’s Toupes and Feet” outlet? :D
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
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Aug 7, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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After seeing Gene Keady yesterday...
...very appropriate…
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Aug 7, 2008 10:34 AM CDT
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You looking for feet? Sorry sir, we’re all out of feet.
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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I've got a lovely
inner thigh, however. Very silky.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
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Aug 7, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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Sadly, you probably
look like SWL’s pig.
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
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it's not MINE.
But you look like you could use at toupe.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
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Aug 7, 2008 1:02 PM CDT
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If only I could get this
hair on my knuckles to grow on my head…..
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 1:56 PM CDT
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I would think that they
would want to maximize the return on that space to justify the investment. You would probably want a facility that would bring consistent revenue on a year-round basis and not just a space that would bring peak dollars during baseball season.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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agreed
That’s why a branded schlock joint like ESPN zone or HC makes sense. Combine that with a big room for parties and weddings and it’s a year round attraction. I expect it will also have a year round store owned and operated by the team selling Cub and MLB stuff.
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by N Oakley on
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That seems to fall in line with
many of the concepts that have been floated for the whole Wrigleyville area. Investors area seeing the area as a cash cow that they can milk year-round. The don’t want to tie it to closely to the baseball angle for fear that people will only feel that the facility will draw big during baseball season.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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But remember what Zell's window for return on investment is
Maybe he’s planning on selling the business spaces as condos in the building, to pocket the quick cash, and stick the new owner with the upkeep.
Or am I just being paranoid?
by Wreckard on
Aug 7, 2008 1:38 PM CDT
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Then it would have to be zoned appropriately for residential.
which doesn’t seem to be the case
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
by SackMan on
Aug 7, 2008 1:54 PM CDT
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You can sell
office/retail as a condo for businesses to use.
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 1:56 PM CDT
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Yeah, I'm talking about commercial condos
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Aug 7, 2008 1:59 PM CDT
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Speaking of residential development..
..what ever happened to St. Louis’ “Ballpark Village”? I understand the hole in the ground next to Busch Stadium is still there and it fills up with water after heavy rains; I also heard that Cards fans refer to it as “Lake Dewitt” after the Cards’ owner.
I thought I remember the deal w/ the city of STL including fines against the Cards if construction didn’t meet deadlines. Anybody got any info on that?
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by calicubfan on
Aug 7, 2008 3:12 PM CDT
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Look at Fenway Park
I could see a new owner, especially Cuban, trying to set something up like the owners in Boston did. It would essentially close the streets directly around the park to ticketed patrons only, and allow vendors (team-controlled) to set up shops, whether they be for souvenirs, hot dogs or beer.
Honestly, it made the scene around Fenway much nicer, but I’m not sure that Wrigley needs it.
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Aug 7, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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We have so much CTA traffic going through the main arteries...
not to mention all of the tour buses…
That would muck a lot of things up.
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
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Obviously...
... the tour buses would still be allowed through. Waveland & Sheffield are already closed to traffic during games; that could be a next step.
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by Al on
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To This Point, Best Cubs Team I've Seen
There are still 47 regular season games to play. So far, this is the best Cubs team I have seen. I think they have better hitting and pitching than the 1984 team. The defense is about even. With the glove, Sarge was much better than Sori in LF. Dome in right is tons better defensively than Moreland was. Those are the two most glaring differences in defensive ability between the two teams.
Let’s hope this 2008 team keeps on keeping on and becomes the undisputed best team in recent decades for the Cubs.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:20 AM CDT
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Simple math for even a ____________
like me. You can insert your insult like mad libs if desired.
.500 ball the rest of the way is better than 92 games.
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:25 AM CDT
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Well, actually no it isn't.
.500 ball for the remainder would be, essentially, 24-23.
That’d be 93-69. I think this team can do better than that.
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by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:28 AM CDT
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Al I agree with you
we can most definitely play better than .500 for the rest of the season. Man does it feel good to be back.
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by cubs on
Aug 7, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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.500 is 92.5 (better than 92). I expect .500 on the road and closer to .650 at home.
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by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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This would be the first season the Cubs EVER want 92.5 games in a season!
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by digitalbenjamin on
Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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won... not want. oye.
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Sorry, I misread your post.
If the Cubs do play .650 at home, that’d be 14 more home wins.
They have 25 road games—say they go 13-12.
That’d be 27 more wins or a total of 96. I think that’s doable.
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by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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I am still in shock at times...
...that we are talking about 96 wins for the Chicago Cubs. It’s like my dreams are here, in reality.
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Aug 7, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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just looking at the schedule...
i think 26-27 wins should be expected. even taking into account the cubs’ road woes (at times), i think they can get to 95 or 96 wins just by playing the way they have. if they can run off a long win streak, 100 isn’t out of the realm of possibility.
100 wins for the cubs? what a season.
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by Trey2317 on
Aug 7, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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100?
Why does that number ring a bell? Wait….no that’s not it…Hmm maybe ESPN can remind me.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on
Aug 7, 2008 11:56 AM CDT
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i'm certain
they are above making a cheap joke about it, given the chance.
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they'll probably miss it
you know, since it’ll be about week 4 of brett favre’s first season with the jets and joba may be using a ‘magic’ treatment on his shoulder…
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i've been following this team since the 1960's and this is the best team i've seen. part of what seems
cool to me about it is that it’s not built on one or two superheroes, but the whole team is pitching in and playing well and everyone is contributing… like yesterday when every staring player had an RBI… it’s good team, not just a few good players.
GoCubsGo
by MinnesotaFan on
Aug 7, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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make that starting player, not staring player..
GoCubsGo
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Exactly.
That’s why it’s a better team than the ‘69 team. That team had a great lineup and front of the rotation… but the back of the rotation, the bench and bullpen were mediocre.
This team has an excellent bench and bullpen and a pretty good 1-5 rotation.
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by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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OK, Al...
you convinced me. It is fun to take a break and enjoy an off-day :)
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Aug 7, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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don't over look
that the rest of the NL is a step below the Cubs…..this bodes well for a strong world series run (knock on wood)
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Okay - the wood comment.
Anyone else see the blurb in a Trib article quoting Woody on this blister? Either Wood is “Alouing” his hands or is having huge fun with the media and fans pretending he is.
says he will continue to “treat the skin and make sure it stays tough. We’re going to stay on top of it.”Wood, who said he has suffered in past years from a blister on his middle finger, has refused to divulge what the miracle treatment was that seemed to speed the nearly monthlong process.
“The last little experiment we tried seemed to work on it, toughened the skin up pretty quick,”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-080806-jeff-samardzija-chicago-cubs,0,6029612.story
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
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Maybe it's stem cells.
by the way, his wife is still very hot!
Go ahead, Z me.
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Maybe that's why Mr. Cuban paid them a visit?
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Mr. Cuban had
his own pretty hot wife, Tiffany with him last last night.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
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And this good team
has one helluva good field general.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.
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My brother, the Cardinal fan,
Called me last night and humbly admitted that for the first time in his life, the Cubs are the best team in baseball (he’s never humble so it was quite a shock). I’ve been telling him for months that if this Cubs team plays to their abilities, they are certainly the best in the National League and possibly the majors. I hope it plays out the way I see it.
I am an American aquarium drinker...
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well I may see Z pitch again
I may see a Cubs game in Atlanta next week.
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
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Aug 7, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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Wrigley South bitches!!
Good times in the ATL. Best bet is to walk up and scalp, probably pay way under face value. Braves have given up.
Delete?
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Aug 7, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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Taking the afternoon off tomorrow to go to the game...
...so I am actually glad to enjoy the off-day and get ahead of all my work….
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
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Aug 7, 2008 10:32 AM CDT
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Nice.
I have amazing seats for tomorrow.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
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Aug 7, 2008 7:23 PM CDT
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Maybe you should tell us where they are...
...so BlueMike can show up and pick a fight with you.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
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Back to Rotation talk..
I understand there’s a lot still to be decided, but I don’t see them carrying both Marquis and Demp next season. There are too many young arms clamoring for a spot (Marshall, Hill, Samardie, Hart, etc). I know the Rich Hill Experience was a nightmare this season, but he will be back, I think.
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5th Starters
I agree that he is one of the better 5th starters in all of baseball except earlier in the season he was not a lock to be the 5th nor was his contract given to him to be the 5th.
Whatever.
I did take a quick glance around the league and many teams don’t have a consistent 5th starter. Some don’t have a consistent 3 or 4. I would say the Angels probably have the best 5th starter. Unfortunately have no way of comparing Marquis and his last 10 starts vs any other 5th starter statistically..
Go ahead, Z me.
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Run the Bases Makeup Announced
Aug 17th after a HS baseball game. See link for more detail
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/chc/ticketing/run_bases_makeup.jsp
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
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For anyone that cares....
ESPN 1000 will be interviewing Scott Eyre at 11:40. I’ve already got my tissue ready.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
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Recap of the interview (from what I can remember)
Stevie said he was driving his RV through Valdosta, GA (Titletown, how fitting) during the call. As far as his future goes, he’s still waiting on a call back from Hendry to let him know the details of any potential trade/ML assignments. Actually was very complimentary of how JH handled the whole situation. Said JH is a class act, a “fair man,” and very professional about everything. He let him know what was going to happen before anyone else knew (something that can’t be said for other GM’s) and was very appreciative of the fact. He said anywhere he gets to pitch is going to be fun, and if it’s a playoff contending team, it’ll be a bonus. After what he just went through, he says he just wants to pitch. Regarding Lou, Scotty doesn’t know really why he remained in his doghouse for so long, other than Lou goes w/ the hot “hand” (hmm don’t know about that one Scotty) and that he has no hard feelings or ill will about it. When asked whether he had ever approached Lou about being in his so-called doghouse, he said that some of the guys actually suggested he go talk to him, but that it’s not the type of person he is, showing up teammates or demanding playing time. As for lasting memories, he referenced the comradery of the bullpen, saying that they may be closer than most of the team b/c they sit together every game. And he’s most proud of “Cottsy” and the resurgent year he’s having. And last but not least, he mentioned the FANS, specifically the night Elvis was in the building (Mon Night’s Thunderstormageddon), saying that even after a 3 hour rain delay, most of the fans remained to cheer on their team. (If it was him out there, he said he would’ve left after the first sight of lightning). And Twas a special moment when everyone in the building was on their feet ecstatic and screaming right before Gaudin struck out the first batter after the delay. Finally, he said Cubs fans are “as passionate as they get.” Andddd that’s all I can remember.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
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Thanks
I only caught the last minute or two of it which is when they asked him for his thoughts on Howry’s struggles. He said that he has all the trust and confidence in Howry (mentioned knowing him for 11 years) and that Howry seems to be missing pitches by half an inch or so. Normally they get popped up but that this year they seem to be catching more bat and hence more hits/HRs. In other words, it’s a lot of bad luck.
Go ahead, Z me.
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Not much consolation
But I hope Eyre gets to enjoy his FULL WS share as I am sure he will be voted one
if we make it. He deserves a roster spot somewhere. His assesment of Hendry backs up
everything I have always read. As I have said before for the way he handled Maddux ( which
trust me was very complicated) I would vote for him for president.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
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Aug 7, 2008 2:14 PM CDT
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If we win the WS
I would vote for him for Sainthood!
Go ahead, Z me.
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Aug 7, 2008 2:20 PM CDT
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Thanks Jay.
Scott is a class act and I hope he’s back pitching soon.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
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The Harden Trade Yields Its First Injury Report
And it’s not who you thought.
No, it’s not Harden, but Sean Gallagher, who will skip at least one start because of shoulder inflammation.
Manager Bob Geren said that Sean Gallagher returned to the Bay Area for an MRI on his sore right shoulder, which showed inflammation, but the decision was made not to put the rookie on the DL; instead, his next start will be pushed back five or six days
Here’s the story:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=21&entry_id=28854
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Earlier reports
sounded a lot worse. Too bad for Sean. Thorough BCB dissection from yesterday and today can be found here.
Go ahead, Z me.
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Aug 7, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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Shoulder inflammation is never a good thing...
It may be that he is back pitching in a few weeks. But if I am the Oakland A’s I am a lot more concerned with the causation for the inflammation. If I were them I would shut Gallagher down for the season and send him off to Dr. Andrews in Birmingham as precaution. The A’s aren’t going to make the playoffs so no sense trying to get Gallagher to pitch again this season.
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Causation of Inflammation
is a sensation that is in relation to the rotation of the whole nation.
He’s a young guy that needs to get innings in also in order to set himself up for a better campaign next year. I agree that if his arm is about to fall off, shut him down. But there’s no reason to rush to judment right now. If he can come back this year, then why not?
Go ahead, Z me.
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Holy Hangover Batman!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
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Aug 7, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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Construction
The building addition on the triangle lot has been talked about forever. It will be nice to see something get down. The concept on the table right now seems fine.
All I know is that I hope Mark Cuban (who I am resigning myself to becoming the new owner) will get serious about the Wrigley Field reconstruction. Mayor Daley needs to stop being an obstructionist on everything that concerns Wrigley too.
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I tend to agree about Daley.
It seems like the stock answer to anything the Cubs want is NO!, but there always seems to be some private negotiation later with the city getting something in return. The city benefits much more from this relationship than they are willing to admit. I would think that Daley would be a little more accomodating, but I guess he feels that he is in a position of strength.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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Mayor Daley needs to stop being an obstructionist on everything that concerns Wrigley too.Are you surprised? He only says yes to Sox-related items, dirty money, and gun regulation.
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D-Lee
People on another site were talking about if they could trade Derrek for some good prospects and sign Texiera, would they do that?
Most of them said they’d rather move Kosuke to CF and sign a guy like Bradley or Dunn, or possibly trade for a masher.
What would you guys do?
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak
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Aug 7, 2008 1:37 PM CDT
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bring up Pie.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
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Aug 7, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
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Interesting question...
I’d say trading Lee for prospects and getting Teixeira would be a good move. We can afford the additional salary, and Teixeira would be going INTO his prime while Lee is on his way out of his prime. And we’d get prospects in return.
I wouldn’t necessarily look at an either/or with trades involving Fukudome versus Lee, but I probably wouldn’t make a trade of Fukudome. He’ll be healthier than Bradley and much better defensively than Dunn. And maybe he gets better as a hitter with time to offset some of the difference in power.
That said, Teixeira is expected to sign with Baltimore (I believe), so it’s sort of a moot point.
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Aug 7, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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D-Lee seems to have topped out offensively, so he will
probably more valuable for his glove than his bat. Ever since his wrist injury, he doesn’t seem to be able to drive the ball to right field like he used to. He has hit a ton of weak fly balls to right this year and that is not a good sign. Texiera would probably hit a ton in Wrigley, but he is going to cost you an arm and two legs. You have to be able to get value in return for D-Lee if you pull this off and I’m not sure you can.
I like the idea of moving Kosuke to CF if he is willing and picking up a left-handed thumper to play right field. Dunn has the bat, but he is a butcher in the firld and won’t work out in right field.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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I believe D-Lee has a full no-trade clause
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He may be willing to agree to
a trade back to the Cal area. Sometimes guys will agree to a trade back to their hometown if the pull is strong enough.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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Adam Dunn?
For right field? Are they nuts? Dunn’s a bad LEFT fielder. I can only imagine how bad he’d be in RF.
Dunn’s likely headed to the AL to DH after this year.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 2:28 PM CDT
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Whoa Al. Check out my post above. Dunn
would never make it in right field if you gave him a map and a seeing-eye dog.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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I don't really see a difference between RF and LF other than the arm.
And Soriano has a RF arm anyways. He’s a bad left fielder but he’s not THAT bad that the Cubs couldn’t live with his production. I don’t think he’s the sort of guy that’s going to age particularly well, though.
Looking to the future, though, you have to think that moving Kosuke to center has to be an option on the table.
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Aug 7, 2008 2:47 PM CDT
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I agree that Fukudome's future may be in CF.
Who else is available as an impact RF?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
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Depends...
on whether the Cubs are willing to test Soriano in RF. That’d be a bold move, but it would also greatly expand the possibilities of adding a productive corner OF (LF is easier to fill than RF). I’d hate to lose Fukudome’s defense in RF, take a step back in CF, and add another LF (essentially trading CF quality defense for LF quality defense), but it doesn’t seem like Fukudome is going to necessarily hit enough to remain a corner OF.
It also depends upon when the transition occurs. I’d guess it makes more sense sooner rather than later, as he’s not young and he’d be moving to a more demanding position.
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Aug 7, 2008 4:20 PM CDT
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It's not a pretty list:
Bobby Abreu (35)
Casey Blake (35)
Cliff Floyd (36) – $2.75MM club option for ‘09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Brian Giles (38) – $9MM club option for ‘09 with a $3MM buyout
Ken Griffey Jr. (39) – $16.5MM club option for ‘09 with a $4MM buyout
Vladimir Guerrero (33) – $15MM club option for ‘09 with a $3MM buyout
Bobby Kielty (32)
Brad Wilkerson (32)
Abreu’s a disaster in the field, and Vlad isn’t exactly a spring chicken either. I’d take on Giles – great defense and a solid bat that could probably get revived in Wrigley. The rest are all kinda scrubs.
I don’t know that the LF/CF market is much better, though.
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Aug 7, 2008 5:25 PM CDT
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+1 to Giles
It better be a short contract though. He seems like Dome +5 years to me.
I would not be surprised if the Red Sox locked him up, if they are indeed serious about this trade
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Ah, Uncle Cliffy.
Wasn’t he considering retiring after last season? I’m surprised he’s even in the running as an outfielder. Looks like he’s takin’ it slow and low with the Rays this season – putting up a .780 OPS with 8 home runs in only 150 ABs thus far.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
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Aug 7, 2008 8:17 PM CDT
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Yep, he's been injured...
...and not very effective. He’s pretty much a DH at this point.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
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Can't wait till Tribune is out of the picture
There goes the Tribune Co., with its new owner Zell, doing what benefits them and not what benefits the franchise and its fans. I’d say – Get this team sold and get Wrigley in new hands. The sooner the better.
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If D-Lee was traded
I would be so pissed off at Hendry… he is such a loveable guy that you need on the team, plus he is a great fielder
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Aug 7, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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Championship teams are built with a
sharp brain, not a soft heart.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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Manny!
Dodgers up 3-0
"I don't think anybody's paying attention to the Cubs." - Prince Fielder
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Aug 7, 2008 1:58 PM CDT
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ha
good to know im not the only one on BCB paying attention to that game. :)
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
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Aug 7, 2008 1:59 PM CDT
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Slow day at work
"I don't think anybody's paying attention to the Cubs." - Prince Fielder
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yeah
that just about sums it up.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
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Now 4-0
Courtesy Juan “F-ing” Pierre’s triple
"I don't think anybody's paying attention to the Cubs." - Prince Fielder
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Exactly.
Derrek is one of my all-time favorites. Just looks like he is on the decline…
I was thinking about teams that could be interested, like the Yankees, Mets, Giants, Orioles, Dodgers…
If we could get a guy like Cain from the Giants, or someone like Hughes, Kemp, Loney.. The list goes on.
If we could get our team younger and talented, I’m all for it. We’d just have to get Texiera.
You could also add Pie in for a team like the Giants who are going to need a CF’er.
None the less, should be a fun ride from here on out!
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak
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I really like some of your
suggestions. I think you may be able to get more for Pie than you think. A lot of Cub fans have given up on him, but some people think than given the right situation and coahing, he might just fulfill his potential.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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Thanks.
I want to be a GM. Im likely going to intern with the D’Backs (I know..)
He’s proven down there. Just needs a chance. A team like the Giants who crave star players but want to rebuild as well could jump on this deal. They have good pitching prospects as well, so losing Cain could hurt but probably wouldn’t kill them.
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak
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Aug 7, 2008 2:07 PM CDT
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I would be estatic if the Cubs
could land Cain. I’m sure the Giants would rather dump Zito over Cain, but that aint gonna happen.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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And they talked about a Lincecum for Rios deal last winter so...
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak
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I don't think Lincecum is going anywhere.
A deal for Cain might be doable though.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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Rios is a much different discussion than Lee...
Rios is cost-contained and young. Lee is expensive and getting older. And I don’t think Lincecum is going anywhere either way. He’s the type of pitcher everyone wants: young, awesome and incredibly cheap.
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+1
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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I don't think it's realistic...
as I think the Orioles are going to get Teixeira. Teixeira has talked openly about his interest in Baltimore, and Baltimore certainly appears to be interested in him.
In the hypothetical world, I’d say it’d be a good move. Teixeira is younger, a better hitter already, a switch hitter, and is pretty good defensively too. And there’s the decline issue with Lee versus Teixeira entering his prime. But I don’t think realistically there’s any chance of it happening, even if the Cubs were willing to move Lee (which they probably aren’t).
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You never know though with Angelos.
We learned that first hand this past off-season.
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak
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Angelos will never field a winning team. He seems
to think that he can get better by only trading away marginal players. You have to give value to get value. There comes a time when you have to realize your current group of players won’t win and clean house. He’s not willing to do that and McPhail can’t convince him otherwise.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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And I can't see him commiting 150+ to 1 player.
The reason I think this is possible because usually new owners like to make a big splash.
I mean the Diamondbacks even did it when they got Shawn Green, Javier Vazquez, and Russ Ortiz, when they thought he was good.
Devin Hester, you are ridiculous! -Jeff Joniak
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You're right about that. He is as cheap as
he is misguided. Isn’t Boras his agent? I doubt it if Angelos would deal with him at all.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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Trades are different than free agents...
And Teixeira is the type of move that I think he’d LOVE to make. He very much wants to win, he’s just not smart about it. A move like that would stick it to the Yankees, and he’d love that.
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You're right. He does like to pickup free
agents, but he gets the wrong ones and he sours on them pretty quick. He picks up a guy like Tejada, but he doesn’t build the team around him. He just doesn’t make sound baseball decisions.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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He does make dumb decisions...
but at the same time, he does go after free agents. In this case, the pieces line up. You have a big-name free agent that will be highly coveted on the east coast AND you have a guy who wants to play in Baltimore.
Obviously, there’ll be other contenders for his services. I just think it’s a move that is more likely to happen.
The Orioles are also in a situation in which they have a team to work with. If they can keep Roberts and get Teixeira, you put them with Adam Jones and Nick Markakis and you have a nice nucleus offensively.
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Aug 7, 2008 2:48 PM CDT
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Angelos will figure some way to screw it up. His
history just says he will.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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I'm pretty sure that signing Texiera would be the screwup.
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The Orioles need to rebuild.
If they think that their token pussyfooting with the idea of rebuilding since the Bedard deal is enough, they’re wrong. There are huge structural problems with that franchise that simply aren’t solved by Teixiera; he’s a Band-Aid on a sucking chest wound.
by cwyers on
Aug 7, 2008 2:57 PM CDT
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Don't sugar coat it Cwyers. Tell
us how you really feel!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Aug 7, 2008 3:02 PM CDT
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After all this time on BCB
you’d think he’d learn to open up a bit.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on
Aug 7, 2008 3:05 PM CDT
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He's not the solution...
but for a franchise with tons of money, I think he’s a nice start. Teixeira is entering his prime and is really really good. I don’t see the mistake in signing him long term.
I think the mistake would be stopping at signing Teixeira. But I’m not sure how you can convince me that signing a young, very productive, good defensive 1B is a bad idea when your current option is Kevin Millar and you have a wealthy owner.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 3:04 PM CDT
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Texiera is past his prime.
I know, I know – later primes with medical advancements, etc., etc. But when you factor in hitting and baserunning, prime years are earlier than most people think – Texiera is at hitting prime but past prime value overall.
And as a first baseman, he has absolutely nowhere else to go (except DH, I suppose) as his defense begins to slip.
by cwyers on
Aug 7, 2008 3:06 PM CDT
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You expect his defense to slip in the next five years?
I think you’re getting too wrapped up in prime concerns. He’s 28. Lee’s defense at 1B seems to be just fine at 32.
Will someone be overpaying on the back end of the Teixeira deal? If they give him 10 years, absolutely.
4-5 years of Teixeira in his prime production is absolutely worth it for a team that can spend. No team with pockets as deep as Baltimore should take that long to rebuild. The Cubs should be proof of that.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 3:10 PM CDT
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Slight edit...
“slip substantially…” His defense may slip a bit as he reaches 32, but he plays 1B (which should see less of an age-related decline than anywhere else) and he plays it well.
As I said, I think signing Teixeira makes sense for them. Get a star player in his offensive prime at a position in which defense recedes less quickly and build around him. The key will be CONTINUING to add pieces and not simply deciding that Teixeira is enough.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 3:16 PM CDT
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Sure I expect his defense to slip.
Defensive peak age is probably right around 23.
And the Cubs’ insta-turnaround was only possible because they could scrape up Rich Hill and Sean Marshall out of their farm system. The Orioles farm system doesn’t have the sort of starting pitching to help out right now.
by cwyers on
Aug 7, 2008 3:16 PM CDT
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Disagree...
As neither Hill nor Marshall are remotely key reasons we are successful this year. Soriano, Zambrano (a free agent signing that happened to be a retainee), Lee, Ramirez, Fukudome, Edmonds/Johnson, Lilly, and Wood are bigger reasons.
Only Carlos Marmol and Soto stand out as in-house keys, and I think the Orioles have some good young offensive players.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 3:18 PM CDT
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I'm looking back to 2007.
Without those two pitching the way they did, the Cubs were probably a second-place team. They also got Derrek Lee back. And they were in the weakest division in baseball.
I don’t think the Orioles have the pieces in place to do a one-year turnaround like the Cubs did at all, especially now that the Rays have turned into an absolute juggernaut.
by cwyers on
Aug 7, 2008 3:24 PM CDT
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So they went from 66 wins...
to second-place (i.e., competitive). See my point?
I didn’t say it would only take one year. I said it wouldn’t take 4-5 years. The Cubs are probably the best-case scenario, but 2-3 years is perfectly reasonable if you add free agents appropriately. And Teixeira will still be a huge force and well worth the money at 30-31, even into 33-34 probably.
The key is to keep going. But that’s the part that won’t happen: Angelos’s mistake will be stopping after getting Teixeira.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 3:28 PM CDT
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That's why it's so infuriating
...to see Roberts, Cabrera, Huff and maybe Martinez still playing in Orioles uniforms. They should have been able to get something for each of them, especially Roberts and Cabrera.
by Wreckard on
Aug 7, 2008 3:31 PM CDT
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OT
Imagine the hypothetical case in which the Rays had the nerve to keep Hamilton, and the hypothetical case where Hamilton was able to rebound as a Ray (and thus that the Narron friendship wasn’t the only possible catalyst).
They’d have an amazing group of young position players (Crawford, Upton, Hamilton, Longoria) along with Iwamura and a great young staff (Kazmir, Shields, Garza, Price?).
Of course, I guess that’s what you should expect with a team that’s had the #1 pick in the draft as many times as they’ve had it, but still. It’s a pretty impressive thought.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 3:40 PM CDT
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Yeah, he throws nickels around like
man hole covers. I just don’t see anything in his history that says he will open up the vault and try to bring in a bunch of talent. The farm system has mediocre talent at best, so it’s not coming from the farm. Show me something that says he’s willing to fix the thing and maybe I’ll believe it. And hiring Andy MacPhail aint it.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris


