Looking Back... And Ahead
There are a couple of news items this morning that I know you're going to want to dive into, but first, let's look back at some of the better teams of Cubs past, to see where this year's edition might be headed.
The Cubs are 23 games over .500. The last time they were 24 games over .500 was October 1, 1989, the last day of that NL East title season. They beat the Cardinals 5-1 and finished the year 93-69.
The last time the Cubs were more than 24 games over .500 was September 30, 1984; they won the final regular season game that year, beating the Cardinals 2-1 and finishing the 1984 season 96-65, 31 games over. The high point of the 1984 season was reached on September 15, when they beat the Mets to go 90-58, 32 games over.
In only one other season since the last pennant in 1945 have the Cubs been 32 games over .500; that was in 1969, when they reached that mark several times, the last time on September 2, when they beat the Reds 8-4. They were 84-52.
The 1945 pennant winners finished 98-56, 42 games over .500 -- that's the best Cubs record since 1935, which was the last time the Cubs won 100 games.
Those are marks for this team, which is clearly the best Cubs team in my lifetime, to shoot for.
Now, on to two topics of interest: Mark Cuban showed up at Kerry Wood's benefit bowling tournament last night and a couple of players weighed in on the idea that Cuban could, among other things, improve the clubhouse:
"Our locker room is pretty awesome," joked Cubs pitcher Ryan Dempster on Wednesday during a charity celebrity bowling event that Cuban attended. "We get to see everybody naked, and hang out and have a good time."
"I don't know if [Cuban] has ever been in the clubhouse," [Reed] Johnson said. "But I know there's not much room underneath to do much, unless they put some dynamite down there and dig straight down."
Finally, remember that building the Cubs were going to build west of the park? The one with additional parking? Well, it's apparently going to be a bit different than originally planned:
Cubs Chairman Crane Kenney said the building planned for a triangular parcel adjacent to the stadium has been "completely re-designed" by Tribune Co. CEO Sam Zell's real estate team to include more retail and office space at the expense of parking.
The new garage would shrink to 250 spaces to accommodate players, team officials, sponsors and media whose late departure from Cubs games would not exacerbate post-game congestion. To make up for the loss of parking, a smaller garage could be built on less valuable land away from Wrigley, sources said.
The ordinance allowing the Cubs to build the bleacher expansion required them to provide one parking space for every ten new bleacher seats -- or about 180 spaces. So, even though they're scaling down the parking, they still satisfy the ordinance. They'd basically be putting the same cars that now park in that surface lot where the building will go, into the new building. We await further developments.
Enjoy the off day. Here's hoping the Cardinals and Dodgers play about 16 innings this afternoon.
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Hopefully the Cubs can enjoy the off day
God knows the bullpen needed it.
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by nji232 on Aug 7, 2008 8:32 AM CDT 0 recs
Id love to see Cuban own the team
and start pulling pranks on dempster after his new deal comes in
by fuku-domenation on Aug 7, 2008 8:41 AM CDT 0 recs
Not the other way round ?
I can just see Dempster telling new owner Cuban that he needs to take off Aug- Oct because he
has been selected to be on DANCING WITH THE STARS
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on
Aug 7, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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There is a Cubs shaped void in my heart today...
sigh
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 7, 2008 8:42 AM CDT 0 recs
Oh, I dunno.
Nice to relax for a day and look back and enjoy what’s happened so far, and look forward to tomorrow.
Right?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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OK (he mopes)
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on
Aug 7, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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This is the best kind of day off.
Cubs in first place. Huge blowout win yesterday. Another series in the bank. The Brewers and Cards still somewhat comfortably at bay. Big series coming up. I’m gonna fire up my new mlb.tv subscription several times today and watch that 8-run third inning from yesterday.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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+1
...these seem rare and its nice to enojy the view from this vantage point!
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on
Aug 7, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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I am looking forward to it
This is my FIRST “off day” when coming back for Cubs games EVER. Usually I get 10 games
in 10 days in my summer homestand ( once I got 11 because of a Double header )
I am literally planning to go jump in the lake this afternoon. I have not been at the Fullerton
beach since high school. YIPEE!
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on
Aug 7, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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It looks like Cuban is putting on
the full cort press to become the owner of the Cubs. I think a businessman of his success and passion for winning can only be a positive for the Cubs. For years we have complained of the lack of passion and committment of the Wrigley Company and subsequent ownership by the Tribune Company, well now we may get both in spades. I, for one am looking forward to the Mark Cuban era.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 7, 2008 8:46 AM CDT 0 recs
i've never understood the hate for the trib....
they have funded us better than most teams in the bigs and without their commitment of resources, we wouldn’t have the team we have today
by cubswynn on
Aug 7, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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The truth is somewhere in the middle.
For many years there WASN’T that kind of commitment. Only in the last two years have they really done so, and the results on the field speak for themselves.
That’s why I’d like to see Cuban CONTINUE what’s been started since Andy MacPhail was dumped, rather than swoop in as a “savior”. People in various threads here are convinced he’d do that. Me, not so much. But I’m still listening.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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the tribune point is granted
listening? wow al, it sounds like you’re starting to soften up on cuban
by cubswynn on
Aug 7, 2008 9:06 AM CDT
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I'm listening to reasonable arguments.
That’s all I can say right now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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it's not that i am in love with cuban particularly
he is simply the only one i know of…...and what i know of him is that he doesn’t like to lose and will spend the kind of money to make a winner
the other bidders might do the same, but we simply don’t know that…..so i’ll go with the sure thing, with some baggage over taking a risk on the unknown
by cubswynn on
Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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I think that's fair. The one thing you
can say about Cuban is that the Dallas franchise appears to be in better shape now than we he purchased it. If he does the same for the Cubs, we will be in good shape.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Aug 7, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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It would have been hard for the Mavs to be worse off...
... than before he bought them; two years earlier (in the strike year of 98-99) they finished 19-31. They won 40 games the year Cuban bought them, but hadn’t had that many wins in over a decade.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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Does this article help at all?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3522935
“The Cubs have got smart, smart people here. I mean they’re winning, they’re doing great things, I’ll just stay out of the way,” Cuban said. “Believe it or not, I can stay out of the way.”
Sounds like he’s not planning on blowing the whole thing up if he gets the team.
by SuperContext on
Aug 7, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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And why would he?
The team is WINNING. If we were a terrible team, he’d probably want to blow things up. But he’s a pretty smart businessman despite being very competitive and into sports. He probably does know better than to try to fix something that isn’t broken.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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I would hope so.
As I said in another thread, if that comment is true, then I’d be more inclined to say “Sure”.
But Cuban hasn’t “stayed out of the way” with the Mavs. Steinbrenner said he’d do that with the Yankees, too, and didn’t—and make no mistake, the Yankees current run of success only began when Steinbrenner stopped meddling.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 10:34 AM CDT
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The key difference between Steinbrenner and Cuban is
that Cuban is probably sincere in believing he can stay out of the way. I doubt it, but believe he thinks he can. Steinbrenner was using his tested technique of lying.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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I don't know about that
But I will say is that one big difference is that Mark Cuban is going to be famous whether or not he owns the Cubs. George Steinbrenner is nobody if he doesn’t own the Yankees. Therefore, Cuban might feel less of a need to inject himself into team affairs because he doesn’t need to make a name for himself.
That’s just supposition, of course.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on
Aug 7, 2008 2:23 PM CDT
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Or it could be the opposite...
... since Cuban is ALREADY famous, he will want to trade off that fame and STAY famous, and keep himself as big as the Cubs are.
That’s just speculation and I could be way off base here.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 2:25 PM CDT
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I don't know how much day-to-day control he has
Over the basketball decisions for the Mavs. But if you are talking about what happened when he first bought the team, he had to do something in Dallas to turn that franchise around. It’s a completely different situation here, obviously.
I think its entirely possible that he will “stay out of the way” of the actual baseball decisions, at least to the same extent that any other owner does, but still maintain a vocal, outspoken (some would say annoying) presence in the media.
What I like about Cuban is that he seems to understand that running a team so it will make a profit and doing things to keep the fan happy are not mutually exclusive, but in fact work together. I believe that many Cuban doubters will be pleasantly surprised if he ends up with the team.
by SuperContext on
Aug 7, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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In addition
to your last paragraph, I think he has also learned a lot in his years with the Mavs about owning a team. He has experience in all of those aspects of being an owner and I think that also makes him a good candidate.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on
Aug 7, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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I'm in favor of Cuban, and here's why:
MLB owners are either billionaires or large corporations. Both billionaires and corporate execs tend to have one-track minds; they think in terms of “internal rate of return”—how much profit they can make on their investment. That is how billionaires become billionaires and how corporations survive. That is what makes Capitalism go around. But that mode of thinking will not necessarily yield new contracts for Ryan Dempster or Kerry Wood. (All you have to do is look at what happened to the Braves after Ted Turner sold out to Time Warner.)
I believe that Mark Cuban would bring to the Cubs the same attitude that Turner brought to the Braves; the team would be his hobby - a billionaire’s toy. If Cuban views the Cubs as his hobby, he will spend money to make his hobby fun - and winning is fun—even though his IRR might be lower than an expected IRR in another investment capacity.
Since I believe that Cuban loves to win, I believe that he would maintain an upper echelon payroll, pour money into scouting and the farm system, and make improvements to Wrigley Field. Isn’t that the most fans could ask for from an owner?
I’m not necessarily saying that Don Levin would not have been a good owner, only that I would much rather have Cuban (even with the occasional embarrassment thrown in) as the owner than Canning or someone else who will be looking strictly at the bottom line.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on
Aug 7, 2008 2:39 PM CDT
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Well said
I think (hope) that he’s smart enough to let the baseball people make the baseball decisions—at least as long as the team is winning.
Hopefully one or two bad seasons (which hopefully don’t happen for a while) wouldn’t make him think that major changes are needed and he’s start interfering.
by Shanghai Badger on
Aug 7, 2008 2:45 PM CDT
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Don't forget that the 16 inning game
must result in a Cardinal loss!
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 7, 2008 8:54 AM CDT 0 recs
Well, that goes without saying!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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Odds of retention of Dempster and his rapier wit?
I’d say very slim. In a day and age when AJ Burnett and Carl Pavano can get upwards of $50m, I would be shocked if Demp wanted (and got) 6 years around $65m. Don’t forget, the guy’s only 30 years old.
My guess is that Hendry will hope that Harden is healthy next year, and will go with Z/Harden/Lilly/Marquis/Marshall. That said, Dempster looks like he may have actually turned his career around, and would be a great 3-4 year investment for the Cubs, if they can get him for ~35m.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Aug 7, 2008 8:56 AM CDT 0 recs
Dempster will get some nice money from us.
No way will Hendry let him go unless the Yankees make some insane offer. Remember this is the first year he has started in a while, and never with this success.
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by nji232 on
Aug 7, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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I'm hoping Dempster wants to stay
and is willing to drop his price a little. He always seemed sincerely grateful that the Cubs took a chance on him after it looked like his career was over.
by daeviant on
Aug 7, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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I agree.
Dempster seems to really enjoy being a Cub and living in Chicago during the season. I suspect he might give a bit of a hometown discount.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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As Oakley says below
the hindrance is really how much they can pay him in light of the nearly 10m they have to pay Marquis next year.
I agree that Dempster probably would love to stay with the Cubs, but I can picture his agent saying “You saw how Ryan pitched this year. If he pitches half that well over the course of the contract, how can he possibly get paid less than Marquis?”
Plus, as much as he may love it here, an additional 20m from another team would pay for another two generations of Dempsters. That’s a lot to turn down.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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It will depend on what the payroll is...
because several players will be due payraises based on their contracts. Dempster is probably going to be offered in the neighborhood of $15 million per year. So he may have to take a substantial discount to stay. We’ll see though.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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plus, I mean...
there’s no reasonable difference between $65mill and $50mill. How rich does he have to be?
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on
Aug 7, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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I dunno
I’d guess Hendry will want him back, but the financial quagmire that is the 5th starter may hinder the budget to keep Dempster. If Marquis can be moved, then there may be $$$ to keep him.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:10 AM CDT
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Even at $10 m for next year...
... I’d guess there would be takers for Marquis. A lot of teams could use an inning-eater like that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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Don't disagree, but
was speculating that re-signing Demp may require freeing up the Marquis commitment.
Sorry folks, parks closed. Moose out front should have told you.
by N Oakley on
Aug 7, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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Possibly so.
Or, even HALF of it. Remember, the Cubs have Scott Eyre off the payroll next year, that’s $3 million freed up. Bob Howry’s deal is up, that’s another $3m. Henry Blanco may not be back, that’s another $2m.
Add all those up and there may be money for Dempster anyway.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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resign blanco! do backup catchers get any better?
plus he is a GREAT mentor for geo
by cubswynn on
Aug 7, 2008 9:23 AM CDT
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I agree.
I wasn’t saying I don’t want Blanco back, only that I suspect he may either not re-sign, or might retire.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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I think that the offers from other clubs
will just be too much for Dempster to turn down. He’s always had good stuff, but this year has finally put it all together. As a result, he’s less of a one-year wonder, and may demand more than the Cubs are willing to pay.
That said, if the Cubs do the unmentionable, I don’t care if ANYONE comes back next year. I’ll be too drunk to notice.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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and i wasn't saying you were
i’m just a big fan of hammerin’ hank white
by cubswynn on
Aug 7, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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Please, no.
The Cubs have Wellington Castillo in the minors who most likely will be ready to take on backup catcher duties. If he still needs some seasoning in the minors, then the Koyie Hills of the world stand ready to assist.
The Cubs have a lot of escalating contracts on the book, and all those players are on the downside of the aging curve. You have to maintain flexability somewhere.
by cwyers on
Aug 7, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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Agreed...
The payroll is already going up over $4-5 million, and that is before considering re-signing Wood and/or Dempster. We could be looking at a $25 million payroll increase simply to keep the key pieces in place (assuming Dempster gets ~$12 million and Wood gets ~$8 million).
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 1:01 PM CDT
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Which is why Ryan Theriot is so useful
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
by dr stabbingworth on
Aug 7, 2008 3:32 PM CDT
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That doesn't consider salary increases for other players...
All of those backloaded contracts Hendry put together over the past few years are going to be escalating.
Not saying it can’t be done – just that it may take some substantial trickery. And Dempster’s expiring contract was at one point part of the flexibility we discussed when Soriano, Ramirez, Lee, et al signed those backloaded deals.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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I would think we
would have to offer Dempster at least $10 mil per year. He is loads better than Marquis and it would seem to be an insult, IMO, to offer Demp anything less than what Marquis was paid.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Aug 7, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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We'll have to offer Dempster at least $10 million per year...
Regardless of what Marquis is making. Market value for Dempster is going to probably be in the $13-15 million per year range. So $10 million per year would be as much as a 33% discount off of market value. That’s probably pushing it.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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My thoughts exactly
If Dempster can convince the market that this year’s performance is anywhere CLOSE to how he’d perform over the court of a 4-5 year deal, he’d get 13m per year. Easy. There’s no way we can afford that considering all the back-loaded deals, and there’s no way Ryan turns that down.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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We'll see...
As I said in another post, I’m not saying it’s impossible, just that it could be really tricky. It’d almost certainly require more backloading. It may or may not be possible, depending upon the new management’s willingness to spend.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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It took me a little bit
to realize that the same person was not replying to themselves in the last three posts.
Anyway, I just hope that Demp is able to stick around. I really like him as a person and a player and think he is a great guy to have in the clubhouse.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Aug 7, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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Yeah, I can see the confusion...
I guess Southside and I will have to agree to not discuss things with each other anymore. :)
by SouthernCub on
Aug 7, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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I do not think there is "no way"
as someone stated above, it just seems like the guy likes being here, with this organization. And he seems loyal enough to give a hometown discount. Granted, when millions are involved, loyalties change, but something to keep in mind.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Aug 7, 2008 9:52 AM CDT
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Has there been a funnier Cubs player
than Dempster? I can’t remember such a huge, huge jokester like Ryan Dempster. I love his personality and wit and want him back on this team for years to come.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Aug 7, 2008 9:40 AM CDT
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I enjoy his sense
of humor too and hope he with the Cub’s organization for years.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
by sue369 on
Aug 7, 2008 2:08 PM CDT
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Jay Johnstone
Prankster supreme!
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on
Aug 7, 2008 6:07 PM CDT
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Rabbit Maranville
puts Dempster and Johnstone to shame. Maranville would pull his practical jokes during the games—often on umpires.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on
Aug 7, 2008 8:25 PM CDT
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the only concern i have
is the innings jump. i know dempster has been solid this year, but i worry about a breakdown possibly next year after moving back into the rotation.
never the less, i’d resign him. having 4 reliable starters in this day is a huge advantage for the cubs.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Aug 7, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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Silver lining?
While I agree we should try to re-sign Dempster, there could be some silver lining if he left—we’d probably get some big draft choice compensation (maybe up to two first rounders)....
by Chadnudj on
Aug 7, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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true.
I’d only let him go if the team felt that Marshall or someone else (Gaudin) could seamlessly fill that role, and I’m not sure either one of them can.
More likely, I think, is Marquis goes, Dempster stays, and Marshall is starter No. 5
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Aug 7, 2008 12:23 PM CDT
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Kind of OT, but it does impact the playoff chase
The Cardinals are going to bring Wainwright back as a reliever, most likely to be their closer again.
Last night they had some success with rookie Chris Perez closing out the game for them. As I have said previously, a legit closer like Wainwright makes them scary. This could end up being worse news for the Brewers, but still a very interesting situation.
Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs
by nji232 on Aug 7, 2008 8:56 AM CDT 0 recs
Well, they do need a closer.
Wainwright did a good job for them two years ago. This helps the Cardinal pitching staff.
Which, we hope, will be overextended by a long extra-inning game today!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 7, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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I'm sure that the Cards would prefer
to put Wainright back in the rotation, but their bullpen is a MESS, and considering his previous success there, it’s probably a smart move.
That said, once Carpenter’s arm falls off again, they’ll be right back where they were.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on
Aug 7, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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It's only a smart move to the extent...
...that it saves Wainwright from future injury. The Cardinal’


