Twenty years ago tonight
20 years ago the summer of 88.
One of the driest summers in Chicago history and someone sent a message to the Cubs for sending the biggest storm seen at the park of all time seemingly up to that night or since until Monday night.
8-8-88 what does everyone remember most about that night?
And this is kind of weird. What surprises you the most about the Cubs in the 20 years since?
My memories
Turning on the lights with the LET THERE BE LIGHT chant.
Morganna kissing Sandberg.
The players sliding on the tarp including a very young Greg Maddux.
What surprises me the most?
That we still haven't won the series. That wasa promising young team in 88 that stayed in contention late into the season and it really looked like we were going to be good for awhile.
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It was stupid then...
And stupid now that it took so long to get lights. All this anniversary does is remind me what crusty old fossils the team is.
Bleep tradition. I’ve had 100 years of tradition.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 6:28 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This comment was uncalled for.
What is the purpose of posting nasty remarks? I’m getting sick of you.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck Al
I’m surprised it took this long
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Aug 8, 2008 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only now Al?
Took ya a bit on this one.
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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know.
I try to give people a lot of rope. He’s just about at the end of it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame you for that...
I’ve gotten my share of rope here too!
:)
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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tradition isn't what has kept this team from winning.
Lackadaisical management. Poor play on the field. And, yeah, some plain ol’ bad luck has done the trick. (Thankfully, all that seems to have changed this season.)
Tradition is one of the great things about this team. If you don’t like it, go root for the Rays.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 8, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tradition is fine as long as it
doesn’t become more important than winning. The Yankees have the greatest tradition in sports – winning championships. Thats why we follow our teams so passionately. We want to win.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 8, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. The Red Sox have their fair share of tradition, too.
That doesn’t seem to have stopped them from a winning a couple of championships in the last few years.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 8, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It didn't stop them from spending money
Tradition has hurt the Cubs in two ways, one tangible, the other intangible.
1) Only day baseball, at a time when no one else in the NL had exclusively day baseball, hurt the Cubs. The temperature and travel put the team at a disadvantage.
2) Until recently, the team really had the mindset that all it had to do was tap the keg, water the ivy and open the doors. the quality of play didn’t matter. Thankfully, that has changed.
Never forget that the Red Sox have a ton of tradition AND spend a ton of money. Their fans expect winners.
It was moronic for the Cubs to keep lights away for so long. And it galls me that the city has such sway over the Cubs schedule even now.
I want a champion. If it takes $1 billion, the destruction of Wrigley Field and hot pink uniforms, I don’t care.
Baseball has expanded three times since I’ve been alive. The Marlins and Blue Jays have two rings. The Diamondbacks have one. The Rockies and Brewers have been to one.
Tradition is nice, but not as nice as the bling.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want a champion. If it takes $1 billion, the destruction of Wrigley Field and hot pink uniforms, I don’t care.
Then go root for a team that will do those things. A team that does those things isn’t the Cubs.
It’s not enough to win. HOW we win is just as importand.
And your first supposition is iffy at best.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Winning means nothing if you have to compromise yourself to do it.
by CoolHand on Aug 8, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What compromises are we talking about?
Increasing payroll?
More night games?
A commitment to winning?
Being active in the trade market and giving up prospects to do it?
What exactly is the compromise?
The Cubs jacked their payroll to the roof to get Soriano, sign Ramirez, keep Zambrano and add DeRosa, Howry (solid until this year) and Fukudome.
They became less like the A’s and more like the Yankees. Does that taint things for you? Would you rather the Cubs DIDN’T have those guys.? (Except Howry)
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dumping Wrigley field
and changing the uniforms to pink are two things that the Cubs should NEVER do. Nor should they ever move to playing more night games at home than day games. They shouldn’t put up a jumbotron.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are they allowed to keep their uniforms?
Or should they go back to flannel?
Perhaps they should go back to riding on trains instead of on planes?
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They rode a bus
to Milwaukee.
Get over yourself.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should they ride a bus
to San Diego or Miami?
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by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
will you be on the bus too?
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 9, 2008 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How we win????
How we win means nothing.
If the winning run in the World Series comes home on a bad call at first, a borderline balk, and two wild pitches, that will be no different than a 400-foot homer.
If you were told by a magic genie that the Cubs could win the World Series, but the team would have to tear down the ivy, refuse to sell beer and change their team name to the “Grizzlies” what would you do?
I’d set fire to the ivy and smash the kegs myself.
People like to talk about “playing the game the right way.”
You know how you know if you played the game the right way? If you look up after 27 outs and you find that you have more runs than the other team. That’s how you know.
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were told by a magic genie that the Cubs could win the World Series, but the team would have to tear down the ivy, refuse to sell beer and change their team name to the "Grizzlies" what would you do?
No. And your last statement is mercenary on a disturbing level.
There is a right way and a wrong way to play baseball. Would a WS win mean anything if Sori, Rami and Lee took steriods to get that extra power? What if they were reading signs from the scoreboard?
Try to set fire to that ivy, and you may find yourself on fire yourself. We aren’t the Marlins, and we never will be.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never will be the Marlins?
That’s a shame, because two World Series championships would be awesome.
And by the way, the Cubs’ current payroll dwarfs anything the Marlins had in 1997 and 2003 when they bought themselves championships. The Marlins should be looked at as a model for all small-market franchises.
Put your chips in, win it all. Cash out and get prospects up the wazoo, repeat the process in a few years. You can’t spend enough to keep up with the big boys, but you can save and scrimp and do it every so often.
Now, on to your second question. Are you honestly telling me that if the Cubs win the World Series, and then it comes out the next year, or a few years down the road, that Soriano and others used steroids, you’d be crushed?
Clemens, Canseco, McGwire and Petitte all have W.S. rings. You think A’s and Yankees fans are losing a second of sleep over that?
Arguably the most famous homer in history is now believed to be the result of stealing signs.
The Celtics used to turn the heat up in the opposing locker room. Earl Weaver and Billy Martin intimidated umps. The Broncos o-linemen are notorious for the dirty play.
All of them have rings.
Get me some of that. I don’t care how.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you don't care how
then you don’t deserve it. And yes, you bet that if the Cubs won the series and it came out that it happened because players on our team used steroids, it would be SERIOUSLY tainted.
You think anyone’s going to remember Clemens for his WS rings? No. They’re going to remember him for being a juicer who slept around. McGwire has lost his fame already.
Cheating isn’t worth it. Win the game on your merits, not cheating.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point on the PEDs
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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't get his attiude about this
considering how he treats Josh Hamilton.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not a good point
Clemens is tainted, but the 1999 and 2000 Yankees aren’t. Those fans have the memories of World Series victories. Same with the 1989 A’s.
Most fans root for the jersey, not the man inside it. The glory belongs to the team, not the individuals.
The only concern A’s fans have is that the steroids didn’t prevent upsets against the Dodgers and Reds.
Maybe when the Cubs win a couple of World Series’, I’ll worry about how the third one is won. Until then, I couldn’t possibly care less.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is a good point
just because you think cheating to win is okay, doesn’t mean that is a valid viewpoint. If the majority of us here found out, post WS win, that a chunk of the team (one that produces wins more specifically) used steroids or any PEDs to do so, it would ruin what had been achieved in our minds and hearts.
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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
So the 1998 and 2003 playoff runs are “ruined” for you, because it is pretty clear Sosa was using, and he was the MVP in 1998 and a major player still in 2003.
Your loss.
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not ruined
tainted a bit yes. The entire “Sammy” era is tainted IMO because of cork and steroids (presumably).
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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sammy? Yes. Cubs? No
That’s my point. The individuals are tainted, but the teams aren’t. No one seriously calls the 1989 A’s or the 1999 Yankees tainted.
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by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's your opinion
and you’re welcome to it.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 9, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not opinion...
It’s fact. Find me something, anything, that seriously argues the 1989 A’s are ruined.
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by DaBard on Aug 10, 2008 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's your opinion
and you’re welcome to it.
When the Cubs win it all, I want it to be as pure and untainted as possible. Winning “at all costs” isn’t an option.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is an old Mafia saying
The first generation gets on
The second generation gets honor
The third generation gets honest
We’re the first generation. Let’s just get on the board. You can go to confession later.
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by DaBard on Aug 10, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is one of the stupidest
replies I have ever read here.
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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 11, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and this speaks loudly to what type of person you are...
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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now this is irritating...
I get slapped down by Al earlier in this thread for saying “bleep tradition” Harsh, perhaps, but it wasn’t a personal attack on anyone.
And one of the guys who shouted, “Yeah, Al, you get him” is now spewing personal attacks.
Figures.
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhh I'm sorry
did I hurt your feelings? As far as personal attacks go, this was fairly tame for me. I just said that after listening to your reasoning about whether or not cheating ruins winning or success for that matter, I understand a bit about who you are.
Your defensive response speaks louder than I could.
Thanks for the help there!
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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't care less if you go after me personally
Just don’t hide behind Al.
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by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Find me any Yankees or A's fan
Who believes their team’s championships are “ruined.”
It’s been 100 years. Do we really need to set standards that no other fanbase sets?
Cubs used PEDs. Some might still be. Get over it.
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
go care less
for some other team.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I can relate to what DaBard is
saying. Of course the team is not going to rip down the ivy or Wrigley, but tradition should not preclude you from doing the things it takes to field a championship team.
Aren’t the Cubs in this thing to win it all? Sunshine and pretty parks are nice but they don’t do anything for me if we don’t win.
I agree with his assessment of the city holding the team hostage about weekend night games. If it helps the team win and doesn’t overly inconvienience the neighborhood, what is the problem? Do what’s best to bring a winner, that’s the experience I want to feel.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 8, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite tradition-bucking line
is from Schilling…
A reporter asked him about the Yankees’ “mystique and aura.”
He said, “Mystique and Aura are the names of strippers.”
The Red Sox haven’t lost a big game to the Yankees since.
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If DaBard...
... could say what he wants to say without being snarky and jerky about it, maybe the rest of us would be more willing to listen.
There’s no doubt that compromises can be made between the city and team. No one’s holding anyone “hostage”. The issue didn’t even come up before this year. I’m guessing that when next year’s schedule comes out, the Cubs will be permitted a couple of Friday night games to reduce travel problems.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hostage wasn't my word
I don’t disagree with it, but it wasn’t my word.
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it helps the team win and doesn’t overly inconvienience the neighborhood, what is the problem?
Umm, have you been to Wrigleyville on a Fri/Sat night when the Cubs are out of town?? You wouldn’t even know that they weren’t playing just judging by the crowds. Add 40,000 more people to an overcrowded neighborhood and you have a disaster waiting to happen.
by CoolHand on Aug 8, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it DOES overly inconvenience
the neighborhood.
And I LIKE day games. They’re the way baseball SHOULD be played. In sunlight. With knickers. NO DH.
’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how much revenue...
Does the neighborhood get from Cubs games? Seems like it would be quite a bit.
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
people who live there
get little revenue unless they own a business or run a parking lot or have stands on the top of their house. And they pay a TON for waste removal, extra security, and more.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did someone point a gun to their heads
And tell them to buy in Wrigleyville?
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by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, for pete's sake.
there’s something wrong with you.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 9, 2008 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, well, I don't totally disagree with you.
A team’s traditions shouldn’t inhibit it from winning. And the Cubs should have installed lights and gone to night games much earlier. Failing to do so probably hurt a lot of Cubs teams – the exhausted ‘69 squad likely the prime example.
Nonetheless, you seem to be crying over long-spilt milk here. The lights are there. The night games are happening – and more or at least weekend ones are likely to start occurring soon. The team has clearly shown a newfound willingness to spend money. And the optimist in me likes to think a winning attitude – at both the organizational and fan levels is – starting to take root.
All that said, I think great Cubs traditions – such as flying the W flag, maintaining the ivy on the wall (and Wrigley Field as a whole) and singing “Go Cubs Go” after every win – add a value to this team that should never be ignored or taken for granted.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 8, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also the 77 team
probably was hurt by all the day games. What a monumental collapse that was.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Aug 8, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another side...
Aren’t night games actually MORE friendly to fans?
I mean, not to put too fine a point on it, but most of us have jobs, and most of those jobs are not conducive to day baseball during the week.
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends.
Some people like day games. The day games sell out, so it isn’t an issue going to them.
The issue is TV ratings. They can sell ads for far more for night games than day games.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ratings are better...
Because more people can watch at home? Not every workplace allows radio and “watching” on the Internet isn’t much fun.
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the end of the day, I agree
And I admit, hot pink uniforms and changing the name are things that will never be put on the table.
But my point is that the Cubs really don’t have a wonderful tradition ON the field. Even after 1989, the Cubs could have gone undefeated in 1990, 1991 and 1992 and still been under .500 as a franchise.
At some point, I get tired of honoring that. The good old days weren’t all that good.
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the Cubs are still far over .500 as a franchise...
... going back to the beginning in 1876.
You’re right, the last sixty-three years have not been very good. But before that, the Cubs were one of the dominant franchises in the NL. From 1876 to 1945 - 70 years - they won 16 NL titles, ten of them after 1900, and two World Series.
Pretty good up to that time, I think you’d agree. Again, since then—not so much.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I can't help but wonder...
if the lights… which were ordered, but shelved because of war rationing, had been installed in 1946?
Who knows? 1969 might have turned out differently, but the Orioles were a powerful team too.
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by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me..
that the problem is not with Cubs “holding too tightly to traditions” but with Cubs fans perpetually looking in the rear-view mirror and wondering “what if blah, blah, blah”. Just play ball and do the best to win.
by CoolHand on Aug 8, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The '88 team wasn't very good, actually.
They dropped out of the race early - were six games out by April 24 - and on August 8 they were fourth, 12 1/2 games out of first place.
They went 9-20 in September, one of the worst final months in team history, after being a game over .500 on August 31.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 7:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
5-Game Sweep By Dodgers
The Dodgers swept the Cubs in a 5-game series at Wrigley after the All-Star break in ‘88. That really sunk the Cubs that year. The first-half Cubs in ‘88 played about as well as the first-half Cubs in ‘89. The Cubs in ‘88 collapsed in the second half. The Cubs in ‘89 thrived in the second half.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Aug 8, 2008 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 game series?
don’t recall many of those…
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by Bump Bailey on Aug 9, 2008 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a 4-game series that added a makeup from a previous rainout.
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by Al on Aug 9, 2008 4:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was living in another city...
....but my Mom and Dad kindly sent me a videotape of both the rainout and the following night (I still have it; I need to get it dumped onto DVD).
The thing I remember best is that both Harry Caray and Bill Murray (the guest commentator) were definitely under the influence – the cameras actually got a shot of Harry between innings saying, “my it’s hot tonight” and taking a sip of a beer, and he later said something like, “Bill Murray, this Bud’s for you,” and Murray said, “wow, you really DO have a Bud for me! Thanks!”
Later on, Murray was saying that Rafael Palmeiro’s first name was unsuitable for a ballplayer, as it sounded like “he should be out painting a ceiling or something.” So he suggested “Rafe” as an alternative, and when Palmeiro came up, Murray was actually yelling out of the press box, “Yo! Rafe!”
Good times.
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"The only thing that bothers me is that I would never want to destroy the love and what the fans of Chicago are to the Chicago Cubs. I mean, God knows. If there's one pure thing in baseball, it is the fans of Chicago." - Lee Elia, 2008
by CaughtInTheVines on Aug 8, 2008 7:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
About the rain.
It had literally not rained in about three weeks - not a drop - till that night. I have the details in my night game article in Wrigley Season Ticket - don’t have it handy - but it was indeed one of the driest summers ever. We set a record with 47 90+ days that year. Compare that to this summer when there have been only three days of 90+ temps.
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by Al on Aug 8, 2008 8:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hot indeed
I was working at the Evergreen Grocery store on Belmont and Broadway that summer as a 17 year old. Stocking shelves, stuff like that. I had to do a lot of outside work, too like tending the parking lot and unloading trucks. It was a very hot summer for that kind of activity.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Aug 8, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember how strange it looked to see
Wrigley illuminated at night. The strange shadows and eerie camera shots gave the game a strange feeling. Having the game topped off by a rainstorm just added to the effect.
I had forgotten about Murray and his antics. He was defintely three sheets to the wind!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 8, 2008 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember
going to my first Wrigley night game the following year vs. The Reds. Unfortunately, this game was the one where Jerome Walton’s hitting streak ended. Yes, you can blame me, I was the jinx lol
I remember how surreal and totally cool it was to be there, BEING AT WRIGLEY AT NIGHT! What a concept.
As an aside, my brother is a union painter in Chicago, and his company painted the light superstructures. So, in a way, those lights are a little part of our family.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Aug 8, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Wasn't at the Game
but I was in Chicago visiting my parents. My dad and I watched it on channel 9. The next day I bought an MLB licensed tee shirt touting the first night game at Wrigely and I still have it, unworn with all the labels still attached. It is probably worth about a buck at a yard sale but I will never part with it.
And so it goes.
by Luigi on Aug 8, 2008 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember...
Going to the game AFTER this one, on the 9th. I was 8 years old and was sitting a few rows from the field down the third base line close to the cubs dugout. Mid-way through the game Andre Dawson came up to bat and hit a bullet foul about ten rows behind me. Everyone tried to catch it but for whatever reason no one could and it fell to the ground and slowly rolled all the way down to my row where I bent over, picked it up giving me a smile that wouldn’t leave my face for the remainder of the night.
After catching it I wanted Andre Dawson to autograph it but clearly that wasn’t going to happen. So I tried what any 8 year old would do is attempt to get any autograph I could get. I went down to the bullpen and tried to get Scott Sanderson to sign it. He wouldn’t cause he was warming up and that made me mad (again I was only 8…I didn’t know any better)
Looking back on it I’m glad he didn’t sign my ball. There is still a smear on the MLB logo where you can see where it was hit. Even though I can’t prove that The Hawk hit it or even the exact date I got it, and it will obviously never be worth anything it’s still one of my most prized baseball possessions. My first ball, the first (complete) night game. Definitely a memory I will never forget.
by delorean80 on Aug 8, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was a fun night despite the rain
I was 17 at the time, and two friends of mine and I decided to go to the game even though we didn’t have tickets. We actually bought tickets to another game, and tried to pass them off to the gate checkers. Didn’t work. We ended up separating, and a few minutes prior to the game I tried one last gate. The guy looked at my ticket, smiled, and let me through. I ended up finding a seat in the old wheelchair area, about 10 rows directly behind home plate. Perfect view of all the opening festivities. Of course it was shocking when Sut let up a homer to the first batter, and then when the rain started pouring down. Somehow, I found my two friends and we hung around for about 2 hours hoping the game would start again. At one point, we ran into CBS reporter Walter Jacobson and he autographed my opening night cap. Wish I still had it.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Aug 8, 2008 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember that night...
A very dry summer yet a downpour at the game (not as bad as last Monday, but not that far off). But what I remember most about that night was that upon returning home from the rainout, I discovered my roof developed a leak that night and I had water all over my living room. WHat a night.
Oh welll..Here is my washed out ticket stub from that night.

Kasey
See the Cubs 2008 schedule (with TV schedule & game-by-game results) at http://ignarski.tripod.com/sched2008.html
by kaseyi on Aug 8, 2008 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
one thing to note
though you can barely see it, the game was originally a 3:05 game. When they announced that they were going to put up lights, I went out and bought a bunch of tickets for 3:05 games figuring that they would make them night games and I would luck out with a ticket for the 1st night game.
Kasey
See the Cubs 2008 schedule (with TV schedule & game-by-game results) at http://ignarski.tripod.com/sched2008.html
by kaseyi on Aug 8, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first Wrigley experience...
I will always remember my fist Wrigley Field experience. I was only about 13, and my family had moved for St Louis in the winter of 1983. My first game was in 1985. I don’t remember whom the Cubs were playing, but I’m almost certain they lost. That was certainly not important then, and it’s certainly not important now.
The important thing, is the Wrigley experience. I remember walking out from under the stands and seeing the green grass. I remember the excitement of seeing that ivy for the first time and yelling ‘Go Cubbies’. I was only 13, and I never wanted that feeling to go away.
And, it didn’t. Sure, they won in 1989, but that didn’t dampen my spirits. I remember being pissed off (excuse my language) when they bucked tradition to install the lights in 1988. I couldn’t believe it! Sure, other teams had them, but the Cubs were different, and special. One of things that made them different was the fact that they never won anything. The Lovable Losers. They lost, but they played the game the right way. I mean, it’s easy to root for a team that wins, that doesn’t take any effort. But to root for a team that never wins? Well, that just builds character.
I’m afraid that all this talk of change is making my fandom take a bit of a hit. The threat of winning is just making my Cubbies seem like any other team. I’m not sure I can deal with that. Anyway, this first post and I wanted to share this you.
Go Cubbies (but not too much)! Keep Wrigley the way it is! And, hopefully, we get an owner who recognizes tradition when he sees it.
Thanks for this site, Al. And thanks for keeping the rif-raf at bay!
by OK1972 on Aug 8, 2008 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Welcome, Cardinal troll
Hopefully you spend money at Wrigley to help with the payroll for the NL-leading Chicago Cubs.
by jbau on Aug 8, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinal Troll?
I’m sorry, but I’m really not. I’m not sure what led to that conclusion. Of course, my family had moved to St Louis after we came to thsi country from Kiev, USSR is 1980. But I only spent 2 years there. I remember “cutting my teeth” if you will on the 1982 Cardinals, but we moved to Des Plaines in the winter of 1983. I’ve spent most of my life in Chicago.
Perhaps I wasn’t very articulate in my previous post, but I was just agreeing that tradition matters. I could not agree more with Al about someone like Mark Cuban buying this team. I think the sentiment expressed here about the lights and about tradition is one I can agree with. We’re just fans. We don’t really have an impact on how the team does, all we can do is watch and root. And, if we can’t do that from someplace as beautiful as Wrigley Field, what’s the point?
As I got older, I became more and more familiar with the Cubbies. I always thought I’d like Rick Ruechel. I remember reading articles that Mike Royko wrote (obviously well after they first appeared) about Jose Cardinal and his eyelids. I always figured that I’d like Ivan DeJesus, but he was traded.
I will make a recommendation that hopefully cements my standing around here. Please, read Crazy ‘08. It is a wonderful book about the 1908 season.
I really don’t want to start any trouble. I swear to you, I do NOT like the Cardinals.
by OK1972 on Aug 8, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't sweat it OK - you are one of us.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 8, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy '08
After reading my post, I can see how someone would infer that I was being a bit snotty in recommending that book.
It was NOT meant to be provocative in any way. It’d just simply a really good book, and any inference abotu the 1908 season was NOT implied.
by OK1972 on Aug 8, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well. It appears I should apologize for the troll accusation. So, I'm sorry, OK1972.
Think of it as an acid test, for me =). And your reaction has convinced me. Not that you needed to convince me, or anyone.
I do want to say though, that if someone did want to impersonate a Cubs fan in a belittling manner, they WOULD harp on the “Lovable Loser” theme. Your statement ‘they won in 1989, but that didn’t dampen my spirits” also confused me—why would winning a pennant dampen any fan’s spirits?
You seem to be ambivalent about rooting for the Cubs to win, and as a Cubs fan, that triggered the troll detector.
Anyways, welcome, and I hope you enjoy the success of the 2008 Cubs.
by jbau on Aug 8, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upon re-reading your posts
You may not be a Cardinals troll, and you may enjoy the success of the Cubs, but you have NOT convinced me that you are being forthright.
by jbau on Aug 9, 2008 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have to START trouble here...
It will find you!
"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 10, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troll?
i didn’t get that.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I recall Mike Schmidt hitting one off the left field wall and getting thrown out at 2nd
The storm was scary, we were in the upper deck box down near the foul pole in line with the left fielder.
I bought a plastic souvenir that has the tickets in it, and a foul ball on top, it says Wrigley Field 1988 I saw the light!
I also went to the next game 8-09-88 that was not rained out.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Aug 8, 2008 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Morganna
never actually got to Sandberg. She was caught by security on the field. Sandberg then hit the next pitch (I think?) on to Waveland.
"That’s what I love about my skip, man. He’ll tell you that you suck...I know I suck. We know we suck...Yeah, we suck. But we’ll see who sucks at the end."
- Gary Sheffield
by DrGalazkiewicz on Aug 9, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it was the next pitch.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 9, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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