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Twenty years ago tonight

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20 years ago the summer of 88.

 

One of the driest summers in Chicago history and someone sent a message to the Cubs for sending the biggest storm seen at the park of all time seemingly up to that night or since until Monday night.

 

8-8-88 what does everyone remember most about that night?

And this is kind of weird.  What surprises you the most about the Cubs in the 20 years since?

My memories

Turning on the lights with the LET THERE BE LIGHT chant.

Morganna kissing Sandberg.

The players sliding on the tarp including a very young Greg Maddux.

What surprises me the most?

That we still haven't won the series.  That wasa promising young team in 88 that stayed in contention late into the season and it really looked like we were going to be good for awhile.

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It was stupid then...

And stupid now that it took so long to get lights. All this anniversary does is remind me what crusty old fossils the team is.

Bleep tradition. I’ve had 100 years of tradition.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 6:28 AM CDT reply reply   1 recs

This comment was uncalled for.

What is the purpose of posting nasty remarks? I’m getting sick of you.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 8, 2008 7:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Heck Al

I’m surprised it took this long

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Aug 8, 2008 7:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Only now Al?

Took ya a bit on this one.

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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2008 8:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, I know.

I try to give people a lot of rope. He’s just about at the end of it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 8, 2008 8:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don't blame you for that...

I’ve gotten my share of rope here too!
:)

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Tradition isn't what has kept this team from winning.

Lackadaisical management. Poor play on the field. And, yeah, some plain ol’ bad luck has done the trick. (Thankfully, all that seems to have changed this season.)

Tradition is one of the great things about this team. If you don’t like it, go root for the Rays.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 8, 2008 8:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Tradition is fine as long as it

doesn’t become more important than winning. The Yankees have the greatest tradition in sports – winning championships. Thats why we follow our teams so passionately. We want to win.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 8, 2008 9:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Right. The Red Sox have their fair share of tradition, too.

That doesn’t seem to have stopped them from a winning a couple of championships in the last few years.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 8, 2008 9:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It didn't stop them from spending money

Tradition has hurt the Cubs in two ways, one tangible, the other intangible.

1) Only day baseball, at a time when no one else in the NL had exclusively day baseball, hurt the Cubs. The temperature and travel put the team at a disadvantage.

2) Until recently, the team really had the mindset that all it had to do was tap the keg, water the ivy and open the doors. the quality of play didn’t matter. Thankfully, that has changed.

Never forget that the Red Sox have a ton of tradition AND spend a ton of money. Their fans expect winners.

It was moronic for the Cubs to keep lights away for so long. And it galls me that the city has such sway over the Cubs schedule even now.

I want a champion. If it takes $1 billion, the destruction of Wrigley Field and hot pink uniforms, I don’t care.

Baseball has expanded three times since I’ve been alive. The Marlins and Blue Jays have two rings. The Diamondbacks have one. The Rockies and Brewers have been to one.

Tradition is nice, but not as nice as the bling.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 9:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I want a champion. If it takes $1 billion, the destruction of Wrigley Field and hot pink uniforms, I don’t care.

Then go root for a team that will do those things. A team that does those things isn’t the Cubs.

It’s not enough to win. HOW we win is just as importand.

And your first supposition is iffy at best.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 9:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agreed. Winning means nothing if you have to compromise yourself to do it.

by CoolHand on Aug 8, 2008 9:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What compromises are we talking about?

Increasing payroll?

More night games?

A commitment to winning?

Being active in the trade market and giving up prospects to do it?

What exactly is the compromise?

The Cubs jacked their payroll to the roof to get Soriano, sign Ramirez, keep Zambrano and add DeRosa, Howry (solid until this year) and Fukudome.

They became less like the A’s and more like the Yankees. Does that taint things for you? Would you rather the Cubs DIDN’T have those guys.? (Except Howry)

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

dumping Wrigley field

and changing the uniforms to pink are two things that the Cubs should NEVER do. Nor should they ever move to playing more night games at home than day games. They shouldn’t put up a jumbotron.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 9:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Are they allowed to keep their uniforms?

Or should they go back to flannel?

Perhaps they should go back to riding on trains instead of on planes?

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 1:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

They rode a bus

to Milwaukee.

Get over yourself.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 6:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Should they ride a bus

to San Diego or Miami?

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 6:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

will you be on the bus too?

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 9, 2008 8:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

How we win????

How we win means nothing.

If the winning run in the World Series comes home on a bad call at first, a borderline balk, and two wild pitches, that will be no different than a 400-foot homer.

If you were told by a magic genie that the Cubs could win the World Series, but the team would have to tear down the ivy, refuse to sell beer and change their team name to the “Grizzlies” what would you do?

I’d set fire to the ivy and smash the kegs myself.

People like to talk about “playing the game the right way.”

You know how you know if you played the game the right way? If you look up after 27 outs and you find that you have more runs than the other team. That’s how you know.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If you were told by a magic genie that the Cubs could win the World Series, but the team would have to tear down the ivy, refuse to sell beer and change their team name to the "Grizzlies" what would you do?

No. And your last statement is mercenary on a disturbing level.

There is a right way and a wrong way to play baseball. Would a WS win mean anything if Sori, Rami and Lee took steriods to get that extra power? What if they were reading signs from the scoreboard?

Try to set fire to that ivy, and you may find yourself on fire yourself. We aren’t the Marlins, and we never will be.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Never will be the Marlins?

That’s a shame, because two World Series championships would be awesome.

And by the way, the Cubs’ current payroll dwarfs anything the Marlins had in 1997 and 2003 when they bought themselves championships. The Marlins should be looked at as a model for all small-market franchises.

Put your chips in, win it all. Cash out and get prospects up the wazoo, repeat the process in a few years. You can’t spend enough to keep up with the big boys, but you can save and scrimp and do it every so often.

Now, on to your second question. Are you honestly telling me that if the Cubs win the World Series, and then it comes out the next year, or a few years down the road, that Soriano and others used steroids, you’d be crushed?

Clemens, Canseco, McGwire and Petitte all have W.S. rings. You think A’s and Yankees fans are losing a second of sleep over that?

Arguably the most famous homer in history is now believed to be the result of stealing signs.

The Celtics used to turn the heat up in the opposing locker room. Earl Weaver and Billy Martin intimidated umps. The Broncos o-linemen are notorious for the dirty play.

All of them have rings.

Get me some of that. I don’t care how.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

if you don't care how

then you don’t deserve it. And yes, you bet that if the Cubs won the series and it came out that it happened because players on our team used steroids, it would be SERIOUSLY tainted.

You think anyone’s going to remember Clemens for his WS rings? No. They’re going to remember him for being a juicer who slept around. McGwire has lost his fame already.

Cheating isn’t worth it. Win the game on your merits, not cheating.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 12:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Good point on the PEDs

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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I really don't get his attiude about this

considering how he treats Josh Hamilton.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 12:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No, it's not a good point

Clemens is tainted, but the 1999 and 2000 Yankees aren’t. Those fans have the memories of World Series victories. Same with the 1989 A’s.

Most fans root for the jersey, not the man inside it. The glory belongs to the team, not the individuals.

The only concern A’s fans have is that the steroids didn’t prevent upsets against the Dodgers and Reds.

Maybe when the Cubs win a couple of World Series’, I’ll worry about how the third one is won. Until then, I couldn’t possibly care less.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes it is a good point

just because you think cheating to win is okay, doesn’t mean that is a valid viewpoint. If the majority of us here found out, post WS win, that a chunk of the team (one that produces wins more specifically) used steroids or any PEDs to do so, it would ruin what had been achieved in our minds and hearts.

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by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2008 3:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

OK...

So the 1998 and 2003 playoff runs are “ruined” for you, because it is pretty clear Sosa was using, and he was the MVP in 1998 and a major player still in 2003.

Your loss.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not ruined

tainted a bit yes. The entire “Sammy” era is tainted IMO because of cork and steroids (presumably).

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Sammy? Yes. Cubs? No

That’s my point. The individuals are tainted, but the teams aren’t. No one seriously calls the 1989 A’s or the 1999 Yankees tainted.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 12:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

that's your opinion

and you’re welcome to it.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 9, 2008 6:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It's not opinion...

It’s fact. Find me something, anything, that seriously argues the 1989 A’s are ruined.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 10, 2008 12:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

that's your opinion

and you’re welcome to it.

When the Cubs win it all, I want it to be as pure and untainted as possible. Winning “at all costs” isn’t an option.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 10, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

There is an old Mafia saying

The first generation gets on

The second generation gets honor

The third generation gets honest

We’re the first generation. Let’s just get on the board. You can go to confession later.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 10, 2008 8:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That is one of the stupidest

replies I have ever read here.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 11, 2008 12:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Now this is irritating...

I get slapped down by Al earlier in this thread for saying “bleep tradition” Harsh, perhaps, but it wasn’t a personal attack on anyone.

And one of the guys who shouted, “Yeah, Al, you get him” is now spewing personal attacks.

Figures.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 3:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ohhh I'm sorry

did I hurt your feelings? As far as personal attacks go, this was fairly tame for me. I just said that after listening to your reasoning about whether or not cheating ruins winning or success for that matter, I understand a bit about who you are.

Your defensive response speaks louder than I could.

Thanks for the help there!

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I couldn't care less if you go after me personally

Just don’t hide behind Al.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 12:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Find me any Yankees or A's fan

Who believes their team’s championships are “ruined.”

It’s been 100 years. Do we really need to set standards that no other fanbase sets?

Cubs used PEDs. Some might still be. Get over it.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

go care less

for some other team.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 6:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think I can relate to what DaBard is

saying. Of course the team is not going to rip down the ivy or Wrigley, but tradition should not preclude you from doing the things it takes to field a championship team.

Aren’t the Cubs in this thing to win it all? Sunshine and pretty parks are nice but they don’t do anything for me if we don’t win.

I agree with his assessment of the city holding the team hostage about weekend night games. If it helps the team win and doesn’t overly inconvienience the neighborhood, what is the problem? Do what’s best to bring a winner, that’s the experience I want to feel.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Aug 8, 2008 9:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My favorite tradition-bucking line

is from Schilling…

A reporter asked him about the Yankees’ “mystique and aura.”

He said, “Mystique and Aura are the names of strippers.”

The Red Sox haven’t lost a big game to the Yankees since.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 10:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If DaBard...

... could say what he wants to say without being snarky and jerky about it, maybe the rest of us would be more willing to listen.

There’s no doubt that compromises can be made between the city and team. No one’s holding anyone “hostage”. The issue didn’t even come up before this year. I’m guessing that when next year’s schedule comes out, the Cubs will be permitted a couple of Friday night games to reduce travel problems.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 8, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hostage wasn't my word

I don’t disagree with it, but it wasn’t my word.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If it helps the team win and doesn’t overly inconvienience the neighborhood, what is the problem?

Umm, have you been to Wrigleyville on a Fri/Sat night when the Cubs are out of town?? You wouldn’t even know that they weren’t playing just judging by the crowds. Add 40,000 more people to an overcrowded neighborhood and you have a disaster waiting to happen.

by CoolHand on Aug 8, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

but it DOES overly inconvenience

the neighborhood.

And I LIKE day games. They’re the way baseball SHOULD be played. In sunlight. With knickers. NO DH.

’’If somebody had told me we were going to lose Soriano for eight weeks, lose [Carlos] Zambrano and Kerry Wood for a couple of weeks apiece, and then at the same time lose [Reed] Johnson, and then when we played the American League not have a DH [then-injured Daryle Ward], and be in first place by two games, I’d tell you we were pretty fortunate.’’ Lou Piniella (7/23/08)

by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 12:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

And how much revenue...

Does the neighborhood get from Cubs games? Seems like it would be quite a bit.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

people who live there

get little revenue unless they own a business or run a parking lot or have stands on the top of their house. And they pay a TON for waste removal, extra security, and more.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 6:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Did someone point a gun to their heads

And tell them to buy in Wrigleyville?

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 6:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

oh, for pete's sake.

there’s something wrong with you.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 9, 2008 8:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

OK, well, I don't totally disagree with you.

A team’s traditions shouldn’t inhibit it from winning. And the Cubs should have installed lights and gone to night games much earlier. Failing to do so probably hurt a lot of Cubs teams – the exhausted ‘69 squad likely the prime example.

Nonetheless, you seem to be crying over long-spilt milk here. The lights are there. The night games are happening – and more or at least weekend ones are likely to start occurring soon. The team has clearly shown a newfound willingness to spend money. And the optimist in me likes to think a winning attitude – at both the organizational and fan levels is – starting to take root.

All that said, I think great Cubs traditions – such as flying the W flag, maintaining the ivy on the wall (and Wrigley Field as a whole) and singing “Go Cubs Go” after every win – add a value to this team that should never be ignored or taken for granted.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 8, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Also the 77 team

probably was hurt by all the day games. What a monumental collapse that was.

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on Aug 8, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Another side...

Aren’t night games actually MORE friendly to fans?

I mean, not to put too fine a point on it, but most of us have jobs, and most of those jobs are not conducive to day baseball during the week.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Depends.

Some people like day games. The day games sell out, so it isn’t an issue going to them.

The issue is TV ratings. They can sell ads for far more for night games than day games.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 8, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ratings are better...

Because more people can watch at home? Not every workplace allows radio and “watching” on the Internet isn’t much fun.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

At the end of the day, I agree

And I admit, hot pink uniforms and changing the name are things that will never be put on the table.

But my point is that the Cubs really don’t have a wonderful tradition ON the field. Even after 1989, the Cubs could have gone undefeated in 1990, 1991 and 1992 and still been under .500 as a franchise.

At some point, I get tired of honoring that. The good old days weren’t all that good.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Actually, the Cubs are still far over .500 as a franchise...

... going back to the beginning in 1876.

You’re right, the last sixty-three years have not been very good. But before that, the Cubs were one of the dominant franchises in the NL. From 1876 to 1945 - 70 years - they won 16 NL titles, ten of them after 1900, and two World Series.

Pretty good up to that time, I think you’d agree. Again, since then—not so much.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 8, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

And I can't help but wonder...

if the lights… which were ordered, but shelved because of war rationing, had been installed in 1946?

Who knows? 1969 might have turned out differently, but the Orioles were a powerful team too.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 8, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Seems to me..

that the problem is not with Cubs “holding too tightly to traditions” but with Cubs fans perpetually looking in the rear-view mirror and wondering “what if blah, blah, blah”. Just play ball and do the best to win.

by CoolHand on Aug 8, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The '88 team wasn't very good, actually.

They dropped out of the race early - were six games out by April 24 - and on August 8 they were fourth, 12 1/2 games out of first place.

They went 9-20 in September, one of the worst final months in team history, after being a game over .500 on August 31.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 8, 2008 7:17 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

5-Game Sweep By Dodgers

The Dodgers swept the Cubs in a 5-game series at Wrigley after the All-Star break in ‘88. That really sunk the Cubs that year. The first-half Cubs in ‘88 played about as well as the first-half Cubs in ‘89. The Cubs in ‘88 collapsed in the second half. The Cubs in ‘89 thrived in the second half.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 8, 2008 7:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

True.

That 5-game sweep also helped galvanize the Dodger team to win the NL West (and eventually, the pennant).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 8, 2008 7:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

5 game series?

don’t recall many of those…

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Aug 9, 2008 12:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply