Bring Cuban to the Cubs!
As many of you know Mark Cuban is the current front runner for the next owner of the Chicago Cubs. His current bid of $1.3 billion was the highest offered and he seems poised to get the job. If he does this would be great for baseball and even better for the Cubs. He is a fun, passionate and opinionated owner who isn't afraid to spend money to win. He will bring a new added level of excitement to every Cubs game. Who wouldn't want to watch a Mark Cuban and Lou Pinella post game interview?
However, Cuban will face quite a bit of oppostion in his bid to be the next owner of the Cubs. He needs approval from 23 of the 30 MLB owners. They have the power to not let him in to their exclusive club even if he is offering the most money. These old school owners need to embrace the new and allow Cuban into baseball, it will be the best thing that could happen for the sport.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, editor-in-chief (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.
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Poof
off with your head diary!
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 8, 2008 11:34 AM CDT 0 recs
Wait, so are you against a Cuban ownership?
Forgive me if you’ve posted your opinions elsewhere. I haven’t been around these parts in a while…
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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No actually I am fine with him
I was more referring to Al’s history of deleting diaries that promote websites and other new apparel that seems inappropriate. That coupled with his skepticisim regarding Cuban lead me to believe it would go away quickly. He is probably at the game and may have either missed this or does not feel it is inappropriate.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on
Aug 8, 2008 12:19 PM CDT
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LOL! really??
since Al deletes spam diaries you think he deletes viewpoints he doesn’t agree with?
he’s not a fascist
the pink hat guy is my father
by joeschmitt on
Aug 10, 2008 4:46 AM CDT
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oops
i just read Al’s comment below that he deleted the OP’s link to a web site
wurd
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by joeschmitt on
Aug 10, 2008 4:53 AM CDT
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Please don your fireproof suit now, Mr. Graham....
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on Aug 8, 2008 11:38 AM CDT 0 recs
hmmmmm...
not a regular message board user? it’s fairly common
the pink hat guy is my father
by joeschmitt on
Aug 10, 2008 4:47 AM CDT
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I would love...
To see Mark Cuban as the next owner of the Cubs. He’s got plenty of enthusiasm and deep pockets.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Aug 8, 2008 11:55 AM CDT 1 recs
I don't know if i agree with your methods...
but bringing Cuban to the Cubs would be a tremendous upgrade for the fans. Beyond being a tremendous owner in terms of success on the field, Cuban has always been conscientious of the fan experience and making sure his best customers were treated well. He views professional team ownership not as a business venture with which to make money, but instead as an investment in public infrastructure.
Those that worry about him coming to the Cubs don’t have any solid reasons to doubt him. He’ll improve team, the stadium, baseball, and probably even the city more as a Cubs owner than anyone else in the bidding, and DEFINITELY more than the self-serving chumps who own the team now.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on Aug 8, 2008 11:55 AM CDT 0 recs
holy crap...
I think I changed my sig line to that a few years ago – it seems oddly prescient now…
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 11:57 AM CDT
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Nobody ever said the MLB owners would vote against him, that’s just speculation.
by daeviant on Aug 8, 2008 11:57 AM CDT 0 recs
I think we can guess where Jery Reinsdorf stands.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Aug 8, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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Its just speculation, but...
that’s one of the reasons people often say to “forget about Cuban” or that he has “no chance.” They don’t think Selig, Reinsdof, et al. will allow Cuban to be a part of their club. Furthermore, given his deep pockets and the apparent willingness of Zell to sell the team to the highest bidder, finagling by those guys may be the most likely scenario that doesn’t involve Cuban owning the team.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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they will vote against him
because he is almost sure to put more upward pressure on salaries. it’s not because of his personality or celebrity or anything else. it’s just business.
the pink hat guy is my father
by joeschmitt on
Aug 8, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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He would certainly be a change of pace....
I guarantee you that Reinsdorf would vote against him. Let’s hope that old man doesn’t have as much influence as he once did.
by smitster2008 on Aug 8, 2008 12:01 PM CDT 0 recs
You should team up with the other "Cuban for Owner campaigner"
who joined this site only to post their website link.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Aug 8, 2008 12:03 PM CDT 0 recs
That was the point I made above.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on
Aug 8, 2008 12:20 PM CDT
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but the OP didn't post a link to any web site
it seems like an honest attempt to give his opinion. isn’t that one function of the fanposts, to give one’s opinion and debate such opinion in the comments?
the fanpost brownshirt brigade on here is hilarious.
the pink hat guy is my father
by joeschmitt on
Aug 10, 2008 4:51 AM CDT
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oops, just read Al's comment below that he deleted the OP's link to web site
/ should read all the comments before posting
// Al, maybe you should make a note within the fanpost when you make an edit, which i think is fairly standard etiquette when one edits oneself
/// stands in corner
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by joeschmitt on
Aug 10, 2008 4:55 AM CDT
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Yeah, I probably should have.
I did do that in a comment, but maybe most people didn’t see that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 10, 2008 4:59 AM CDT
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Brownshirt - nice
I wasn’t as annoyed by the fact that the OP only joined this site to advertise his own little website as I was by the fact that he’s not even the first to do so for this reason.
Plus the whole concept of campaigning for a corporation to sell one of its assets to a certain buyer is absurd.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Aug 10, 2008 6:22 AM CDT
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well
as is clear by now, i didn’t know the OP had originally included a link to his web site – my mistake and my apologies to you and kinky.
why is it absurd? nobody is campaigning for the Cubs to be sold – it is an undisputed fact that the current owner is going to sell, we are merely discussing the potential buyers and the merits of each. it is not surprising to me that different potential buyers would have their various fans and detractors.
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by joeschmitt on
Aug 10, 2008 6:29 AM CDT
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Sorry, it's not absurd to discuss it and have an opinion on it
But to have an organized campaign with petitions and charity fundraisers* etc. is a bit naive, don’t you think? Does Sam Zell care about public opinion— or getting the best return possible?
(The original fanpost also included details about the guy’s campaign, which included raising funds for the Jackie Robinson Foundation which would only be paid if Cuban got the Cubs…..pretty odd)
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Aug 10, 2008 6:37 AM CDT
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I got an email about this "campaign".
I chose not to post about it for the reason you mention—seemed a bit strange. Thus, I wasn’t real happy when he decided to post about it anyway.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 10, 2008 7:06 AM CDT
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Here is what I don't understand...
Yes, Cuban would certainly blow up the payroll, but wouldn’t any of these other potential buyers also have high payrolls. The Cubs are a super popular team in a very large market. The current owner(s) of the Cubs could have a $200 million payroll if they wanted. Seems like any new owner is gonna want to win because winning brings in the cash.
by smitster2008 on Aug 8, 2008 12:19 PM CDT 0 recs
Its about two things:
1.) Spending money
2) Spending it wisely
Cuban has shown a propensity for both in his time In Dallas. His treatment of his players makes it a sought-after free agent destination, and he’s also employed – even helped develop – advanced statistical metrics with which to analyze talent. And his two public attitudes towards professional franchises – oscillating between a big toy he loves to improve and an investment in the public good – both point towards spending cash to build a winner.
To me there’s no doubt what you’d be getting in Cuban – you’d be getting one of the best owners in baseball.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 12:24 PM CDT
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Personally, I wish Mark Cuban would buy the Chicago Bears....
I love the Cubs more than any other professional sports organization, and the Chicago Bears aren’t for sale, but it looks like the Cubs are finally a complete organization from the top-down. No, they don’t have a super productive farm system, but it is way better than it was in the 90’s.
The Bears are an absolute mess and are in real need of a change in management.
I know this is off-topic but I really needed to vent. Thank you.
by smitster2008 on Aug 8, 2008 12:25 PM CDT 0 recs
I do agree about one thing...
the Bears made some astoundingly stupid moves over Jerry Angelo’s tenure.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 12:30 PM CDT
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It starts before Angelo. How many first round busts
do we have to endure around here?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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Aug 8, 2008 12:34 PM CDT
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Oh, agreed!
The sad thing is Angelo has been successful compared to his predecessors.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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Now that's pretty sad.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Aug 8, 2008 12:54 PM CDT
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I agree!
I know its off topic but the Bears are in serious need of ownership change. Unless there is a Rocky Wirtz style person in the mccaskey lineage we are screwed! That family has no business owning a team and running it like their own private social club, they still think its the ‘20’s and they can win without a legit quarterback and offense is insane!
"Okay, just so I understand it...in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil."- Jim Halpert
by ryanbrixenivy on
Aug 9, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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"it looks like the Cubs are finally a complete organization from the top-down"
You’re joking, right? The current success of the Cubs has more to do with back-loaded contracts (Lee, Zambrano, Soriano, Ramirez) the Trib/Zell wont have to pay in full more than anything else. Yes, they’ve been competently managed this year. But that doesn’t excuse decades of mis-management and neglect by the Tribune Corp
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on Aug 8, 2008 12:29 PM CDT 0 recs
I don't think anyone is giving the Tribune
Company a pass because the team is good this year. They drove this franchise into the ground and it will be awhile before it sufficiently recovers.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Aug 8, 2008 12:32 PM CDT
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Are you saying
the Tribune company drove this team to the ground? Am i reading that right.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on
Aug 8, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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You must be younger
When Wrigley owned this team many a games they did not even open up the top section. Since 1984 I’ll bet not once has this been the case. The Tribune Co. I believe did as much as they could to make this a winning team. They certainly have not been bashful about spending money on contracts. And from a business standpoint, their intial investment is about to payoff, well let us say very nicely.
You are wrong to write that they have driven this franchise into the ground.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on
Aug 8, 2008 7:54 PM CDT
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LSA
I’m pretty much against all corporate ownership of sports teams, but the Tribune has been about as good as you can expect. I don’t doubt their desire to win. Their main fault was in hiring the wrong people to run things (the worst being Larry Himes).
"In an ocean or in a glass, cool water is such a gas."
by markleonette on
Aug 8, 2008 8:55 PM CDT
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He said "Finally" they are a complete organization
Which we are, from Crane Kenney on down I also feel like now we have competent people and not just figureheads and bean counters in our front offices
"Okay, just so I understand it...in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil."- Jim Halpert
by ryanbrixenivy on
Aug 9, 2008 12:13 PM CDT
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My biggest fear is what, at times, you have seen in the past with changes in ownership. The new owner, in order to grow profits after spending hundereds of millions of dollars on the franchise, dumps a bunch of contracts his first year of ownership. With so many back loaded contracts with the Cubs this could be a possibility. The Tribune knew what they were doing with the contracts of Soriano, Zambrano, Lee, and Ramirez, they knew they wouldn’t be the ones putting up the bulk of the cash. The Tribune doesn’t want to pay it, why would a new owner?
I am all for Cuban as the new owner, I don’t think he’s the type to dump the contracts. He may even add a few more.
Does anyone else see Soriano picking his nose?
by Holy Cattle on Aug 8, 2008 12:47 PM CDT 0 recs
Actually, I like Cuban because I think he would dump some contracts...
Cuban has shown he’s not afraid to trade away big-name players when they’re ready to go, and some of the current Cubs (Lee in particular) are in the declining phase of their careers, or will be in the future. Those players probably aren’t going to be worth the money they’ll get paid in the last few years of their deals, and we need an owner who is both willing to pay salaries that large AND realize when they’re not worth those salaries. IMO, Cuban is that owner.
To expand upon the Lee example more, the best-case scenario for 1st base would be to trade Lee for prospects this offseason, and then sign Teixieira or Dunn to a short-term (3-4 years) big money-per-year deal. I can see a Cuban-owned team having the balls and the benjamins to do that. I can’t see that happening with the other potential owners (but admittedly don’t know as much about them.)
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 12:52 PM CDT
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Lee
has a no trade clause.
Link.
I bleed blue... and red, but that's not my fault. I didn't get to choose that one.
by BabeRuthPose on
Aug 8, 2008 9:07 PM CDT
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I didn't say there were a great organization from top-down...
but they are certainly complete, or more complete then ever before. Better farm system, better scouting, and more willing to spend money. No we are still not the Boston Red Sox, or even the Atlanta Braves or Minnesota Twins for that matter.
by smitster2008 on Aug 8, 2008 12:53 PM CDT 0 recs
If you traded Lee you would have to eat some of his salary...
but if Lee had to go, I would love Tex.
by smitster2008 on Aug 8, 2008 12:54 PM CDT 0 recs
I agree about Lee, he’s definetly falling out of his prime. I would never bring in Dunn to replace Lee, sure the homeruns would be nice but the 225 avg. would not fit. You’re right Cuban will have the smarts and the balls to dump the appropriate contracts but as he dumped those he would add several. I don’t think there are many owners that would do that.
Does anyone else see Soriano picking his nose?
by Holy Cattle on Aug 8, 2008 1:09 PM CDT 0 recs
but the 225 avg. would not fit.
No, but the .381 career OBP would. He has a career OPS over .900! The Cubs should get Dunn this offseason – he’ll be underpriced because of that low AVG., and would represent a significant upgrade over what we can expect out of Lee next season.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 1:32 PM CDT
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While we’re at it, we could get Griffey to come and play center field! I think there has to be better options than Dunn. I would prefer keeping Lee next year even as he slides further out of his prime. I’m with you on Teixieira, he would be a better option.
Does anyone else see Soriano picking his nose?
by Holy Cattle on
Aug 8, 2008 1:49 PM CDT
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No, Griffey would be a horrible signing.
But if you can’t see the difference between signing Griffey to play CF and signing Dunn to play 1st, there’s no reason for me to continue this discussion any further.
And other than Teixeira, there probably won’t be any better options than Dunn out there for 1st base this offseason, including Lee.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 3:38 PM CDT
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My point with the Griffey comment was that the sox should have found a better solution than bringing Griffey back to CF Just like the Cubs could find a better solution than Dunn. Teixieira is the best option, however next to him if you are talking a year by year contract I would prefer Delgado or maybe even Giambi who both have options for 09’ than Dunn. Besides signing Teixieira I would hang on to Lee over any other option. Maybe 2010 would be better? I’m still a Lee fan he’s just not what he used to be.
Does anyone else see Soriano picking his nose?
by Holy Cattle on
Aug 8, 2008 4:41 PM CDT
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Dunn
Has two left feet when it comes to defense, Lee is still great at the plate and his glove is still as good as its ever been
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by ryanbrixenivy on
Aug 9, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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agraham
I like your tenacity in trying to get Cuban in but I think it’s almost a forgone conclusion that Cuban will be the next owner of the Cubs. The endorsements of David Stern and highly respected owner of the BoSox John Henry and the group of five or six current NBA owners that want to partner with Cuban only offer respectability when it comes to the mlb owners considering him for ownership. Couple that with his appearance at Wood’s celebrity bowl and that he was dining with our pathetic excuse for a Governor(Blago) last night. IMHO, I don’t think he makes these appearances unless he believes there is a decent shot at ownership.
by troutfishin on Aug 8, 2008 1:09 PM CDT 0 recs
WOW - Cuban must be a Superman!
He is the owner, president, general manager, chief scout, chief financial officer, head trainer, ballpark architect…....
Yes, he has money and passion. Yes, he is creative and smart. But get a grip people. He can not just buy a World Series. This blog totally bashes the Trib but between 1945 and 1981(36 years) how many times had the Cubs made the playoffs?? Everyone thought that old man Wrigley selling the Cubs to the Trib would solve all of thier problems. Well the Cubs did start to win and made the playoffs a few times. They did spend money on players and often sacrificed the future to ‘win it now’ just to satisfy the fans. Of cource this strategy hasn’t worked yet. Now we beat up the Trib for not doing enough.
I'm not against Cuban by any means but don't assume the he is some white knight that is going to save the franchise. They say the grass is always greener on the other side. Be careful what you wish for because in my experience it is just another shade of brown.
by Chodes on Aug 8, 2008 1:49 PM CDT 0 recs
The Tribune sucks as an owner...
they’ve consistently done just enough to keep the fan base interested, have sold people on the “experience of going to Wrigley” so they wouldn’t have to field a winner, have left the ballpark in shambles structurally while spending money on putting more seats in the stadium, have been awful neighbors, and only have put together a winner now by placing the burden of horrible future contracts on the next ownership group.
Meanwhile, Cuban has helped put together one of the more successful franchises in the NBA, which was in disarray when he took it over, has turned them into a place free agents seek out (which never happened before he got there), and has improved the NBA through his complaints against it when the league was wrong. Meanwhile, he’s put together great promotions that allow families to attend the game for reasonable prices, showing that he cares about more than the bottom line and that the happiness of his customers is important.
Other than that, you’re right. There’s no reason to expect ownership to improve
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 3:36 PM CDT
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Please give me some examples of the Cubs being bad Neighbors.
I have a friend who lives in the area and he doesn’t seem to have any complaints. And when you haven’t made the playoffs in 40 years you have to sell something. I don’t think that the Cubs have been stessing the ballpark experience over the team for teh past 10- 15 years but I still hear that this is their marketing plan. And if you don’t think that Cuban is going to try to squeeze every dime out of the club you are sadly mistaken.
by Chodes on
Aug 8, 2008 4:20 PM CDT
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Just look back two main posts on the front page!
Cubs Chairman Crane Kenney said the building planned for a triangular parcel adjacent to the stadium has been “completely re-designed” by Tribune Co. CEO Sam Zell’s real estate team to include more retail and office space at the expense of parking.
Yes, they’re still living up to their agreement. But they basically told their neighbors: look, we’re going to have a bunch more raucous, late night parties every summer. Oh, and they’re gonna be bigger than before, too. To compensate for that, we’ll build a parking deck in the area to help with traffic.
And then, a few years later the parking deck is nowhere to be seen, only to re-appear in a re-design that includes less parking spaces than the one they were dangling in front of you.
That doens’t sound like a good neighbor to me. The Cubs have had a notoriously bad relationship with many of the residents of Wrigleyville, and this is just the latest example of that relationship being poor at times.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 5:35 PM CDT
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Ask some of those disgruntled residents of Wrigleyville
how good a neighbor the Cubs are when they go to sell their property. Or lease a 2 bedroom/1 bath landing for $1300 month.
My guess is that they’d be very happy that Wrigley and the Cubs are there at that point.
by ScottT on
Aug 8, 2008 5:53 PM CDT
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fair enough...
but this isn’t about the Cubs as a franchise upping the property value around there. Instead, its about how the tribune has acted in its ownership of the team. They’ve made self-serving decisions… every. single. time.
Lets forget the neighbor issue for the moment – no one disputes my other claims that they’ve shown abhorrent negligence in their attention to Wrigley structural integrity and that they’ve bungled the on-field product for the vast majority of their time in control of the franchise.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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Tribune is a public company
They’re supposed to be self-serving. I don’t like this, but it’s the truth. And yes they have bungled the on field product, but not out of neglect, or lack of desire to win. They’ve chosen the wrong people to run the organization. Having said that, I wouldn’t mind Cuban owning the team.
"In an ocean or in a glass, cool water is such a gas."
by markleonette on
Aug 8, 2008 9:05 PM CDT
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Tribune is no longer a public company.
Yes, they were until Zell bought them, but that is no longer the case.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Aug 9, 2008 3:59 AM CDT
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True
But Mark’s point about self-serving corporations stands. Public or private, a corporation is first and foremost accountable to its shareholders.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Aug 9, 2008 5:35 AM CDT
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nobody forces people to live in wrigleyville.....
c’mon you know what you’re getting into when you decide to live there…....give me a break
by cubswynn on
Aug 9, 2008 9:59 AM CDT
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Here's an opinion
I was initially ambivalent to Mark Cuban as owner, but because of pseudo-grass roots marketing hackery like this post, the idea makes me nauseated.
“it will be the best thing that could happen for the sport.”—WHAT?! Please, I beg you explain how on God’s green earth this isn’t the most wild and ridiculous statement ever submitted to this fine online community.
Stop trying to blow sunshine up my ass. You remind me of the ass hats that try to get me to do the wave at other more inferior ballparks.
If Cuban’s effort prove successful, I’ll be disappointed. But I’ll learn to deal. If he consistently produces a winning team I might even overlook the fact that his whole ownership effort feels like he’s trying to get in to some state school fraternity.
Please make these stupid spinmesiters go away! If Cuban wanted my “support” he’d shut you up himself.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Aug 8, 2008 1:51 PM CDT 0 recs
smart comment reddevil.
Cuban doesnt need a PR machine when people like this are doing it for him. Are we going to have weekly why I love Cuban diaries?
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on
Aug 8, 2008 2:05 PM CDT
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maybe not weeky...
but I’d be happy to put another one up in the near future. I know you’re looking forward to it.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 3:30 PM CDT
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You're so far off base its not even funny...
I’m not blowing sunshine up anyone’s ass. Cuban has a proven track record as a quality owner. The only complaint him you seem to have is that he’s too popular, which is simply an absurd thing to be complaining about.
And while it may not be the best thing that could happen to the sport, its the best owner baseball could hope for. He’d make the Cubs a perennial contender, would probably preserve and upgrade Wrigley, and he’d be loud and outspoken when baseball is doing something wrong. 9 times out of 10, when he’s complaining about the NBA on ESPN he’s right in what he’s railing against. If baseball had an owner like that, they’d be better off in the long run.
And as far as your state school fraternity analogy, maybe he’s acting that way because the current group of baseball owners act like a bunch of holier than now jackasses that don’t realize how desperately they need someone that isn’t already a de-facto “member of the club.”
I really don’t care about Mark Cuban’s success or failure because I care about Mark Cuban. I want Mark Cuban to get the Cubs because I care (too much) about the Cubs.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 3:29 PM CDT
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Clarification
To your point that my only argument is “Cuban is too popular.”—Not exactly. Actually not really at all.
You laud Cuban like he’s been the best sports franchise owner man has ever seen. I don’t see it that way. As a matter of fact, I can’t really name off the top of my head any important changes he has brought about in the NBA. (But I admit that’s not my bag.)
I know he’s bitched to David Stern… a lot. I even recall him making some valid points using the exact wrong methods to bring about the change he demands. If he really wanted to effect change and improve the NBA perhaps he should demonstrate a little diplomacy. I just don’t see how his tantrums and his petulant ways would ever be validated by the NBA “establishment.”
Translate these tactics to the my sport of passion, and I want none of it.
You are right when you imply that MLB has problems. Competitive balance and PED are two that have plagued the sport for ages.
But I suspect Cuban’s “passion” for the Cubs is nothing akin to mine, but is related much more to MLB’s Anti-trust exemption which would be of unique interest to a Gazillionaire like Cuban.
In summation, your assertion that Cuban’s “popularity” plays in to my distaste is (using your words) “so far off base its not even funny.”
It has a lot more to do with the how he seems disingenuous… and so does this fan post.
Perhaps your love for Cuban is legit. If it is, more power to you. You can root for him to own the Cubs. I’ll hope it doesn’t happen.
But I at least hope you see from where I’m coming.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on
Aug 8, 2008 4:18 PM CDT
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No, i don't see where you're coming from.
I haven’t seen any valid concerns about Cuban to date, from you or anyone else. All your complaints seem to mount up to “the guy seems like he doesn’t care about the Cubs as much as I do,” or “he seems to care too much about his own image.”
To which I reply… who gives a shit? If he cares about winning, and about delivering a quality product, and has a track record on delivering those things, then why do you care what his motivation is?
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!
by shawndgoldman on
Aug 8, 2008 4:51 PM CDT
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Dude, read what I wrote
not what you wanna see.
Do you really think Cuban is the only potential owner who will care about winning or delivering a quality product? Others will do it with a level of professionalism and class that eludes Cuban.
You’re starting to come across as completely irrational.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott


