"Nothing This Team Does Surprises Me Any More": Cubs 3, Cardinals 2
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 5:41 PM CDT
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That's in quotes because it's not my line, it's Mike's -- that's what he said just after Henry Blanco lined a single just over Cesar Izturis' head with the bases loaded and nobody out in the bottom of the 11th inning, giving the Cubs an excruciatingly exciting 3-2 win over the Cardinals, their third in a row, and seventieth of this incredible season.
Check out the sidebar box showing the team starts through 116 games. The 70 wins is now more than all but ten other Cub teams -- six of those pennant winners. We are witness to things that generations of Cubs fans have grown up not seeing.
Did you ever think you'd see Jim Edmonds get a curtain call after hitting a home run in blue pinstripes? That's what Edmonds got after his second homer of the day tied the game in the bottom of the seventh inning. Edmonds is now hitting .284 in 169 Cub at-bats, with 14 HR and 38 RBI. That'd project to a 42 HR, 114 RBI full season -- something Edmonds did for the 2004 NL Champion Cardinals, but he hasn't come close to that since. He also made an outstanding diving catch in center field.
In fact, defense won this game for the Cubs. After the game was tied up by a Joe Mather (who?) HR in the 3rd, the Cardinals got Cesar Izturis to third after Edmonds made a bad throw following Izturis doubling. But the Cubs sniffed out a possible suicide squeeze with pitcher Braden Looper batting, and Looper couldn't make contact and Izturis was tagged out. On the postgame news conference, Lilly said they had talked about it and if he saw Izturis coming he was going to try to throw the pitch high; instead it was low and inside, but got the job done.
Further good defense helped out the Cubs in the sixth; after St. Louis took the lead on two singles and a groundout, walks filled the bases and Troy Glaus flied to Alfonso Soriano in left -- and Soriano fired a perfect strike to Geovany Soto, who tagged Mather out. It still seems as if Soriano just slings the ball, without getting any real firepower behind the throws, but they are nearly always right on target. Last year he had 19 OF assists; that's his sixth of 2008.
And then, with two out in the tenth inning, Jeff Samardzija caught Albert Pujols napping off first base and threw him out at second. Nice heads-up play, and Samardzija threw two good innings today, dropping his ERA to 1.59. The only thing that I will criticize about the Shark is that he occasionally seems to lose focus -- today, walking the nearly-unwalkable Izturis on four pitches. But I nitpick -- he's been a great addition to the pen. Even Bob Howry threw well today -- after Jessica left our section, unable to watch, she came back and reported there were a ton of people in the back of the bleachers also afraid to see what Howry Hath Wrought. Today, he was good -- getting the hot-hitting Ryan Ludwick on a groundout and then striking out Glaus and Yadier Molina.
And then the winning rally started on something that's been a great weapon for the Cubs this year, a walk, to Derrek Lee. After Aramis Ramirez singled him to third, the obligatory intentional walk was issued to Kosuke Fukudome (who I worry about -- he just doesn't look very good at the plate any more), setting up Blanco's heroics.
It's a team effort -- new heroes every day. Lilly threw very well. Carlos Marmol did his job, getting the Cubs out of a jam in the 8th, and they beat their biggest rival on an absolutely gorgeous, blue-sky, 75-degree, low humidity afternoon, with about 20% or so of the crowd wearing Cardinal red (and some wearing Red Sox red -- as there are some Boston fans in town this weekend for their series on the South Side). I ran into two Cardinal fans in the 7-11 getting my Super Big Gulp -- they asked me "is this the year?" After the obligatory, "Hope so!" they responded, "If we can't win, we hope you guys do." Civilized -- that's why I like this rivalry so much. Mutual respect, and tightly played games like today's. Now go get 'em again tomorrow. And go Nats.
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The best part of today's win:
St. Louis paid Jim Edmonds $12K to hit 2 HRs against them
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Aug 8, 2008 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
...and to throw his bat toward TLR in the dugout after his second HR.
TLR’s public statements have been a little nasty to Jimmy Ballgame this year.
by zevkalman on Aug 8, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR being nasty?
Theres something new…
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 8, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR was really nice in his post game
he said that Edmond’s ‘been a good player this year, he’s been a good player his whole career,’ in the post game down here in the lou. Didn’t want to start anything, even though the local reporters definitely made it an issue. When he was asked whether he took offense to the bat flip, TLR said he didn’t see it, and if he did, he said that is the way players are playing the game nowadays. (Neither Ludwick nor Looper took notice either.)
I think the stuff he said earlier was just gamesmanship.
From a life long cubs fan in st louis.
by brianm on Aug 8, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting note, Al.
The Cubs, with a 44-16 home record, have now won as many games at home this season as they did all of last season.
Oh yeah….we still have 21 home games left.
Go Cubs Go!
by Chadnudj on Aug 8, 2008 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Game
Hated to listen to Cardinal TV today, but thanks MLB and St. Louis being a “home team”. It is a new person every day. Keep the pressure on the Brewers and let’s put away the Cardinals.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.
by FSArkCubsFan on Aug 8, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone pinch me please
Howry DIDN’T blow this game in the 11th???
by JFCubFan on Aug 8, 2008 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope
he even pitched WELL.
Of course I left the radio on and walked away until I heard a commerical come on. I couldn’t do it.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 8, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i watched every pitch..
but i think if chewed off half my hand in nervousness (not really but you get my feeling). But he looked really good today. IF we can get the Howry of old back look out b/c our bullpen will be very very good. And thats saying something b/c it is already good.
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Aug 8, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually said to myself
Lou sees something in him. Maybe he’s due to break out.
And he did.
But I was caught up in doing the PBP, too.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fled to the restroom
Literally. I mean I had not moved since the 2nd inning anyway but I just could not watch. As
I was walking out I heard a lot of disgluntled people saying they also could not wath Howry
ahd one guy in a loud voice said ” I will not pay money to see Bob Howry pitch”. I am glad to
see Howry do well but not exactly gonna be confident next time he comes in with the game tied.
Fun if VERY nerve wracking game today. Amazingly few people left .
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 8, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that about Cards fans
they’re by and large fans of the game first. Like any group, you get some nasty ones, but on the whole they’re solid fans of their team who still muster respect for their rival.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 8, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on down to Central Illinois.....
This is my 32nd season as a Cubs fan. I grew up in a neighborhood of nothing but Cardinal fans and my father owned a small grocery store where the ratio was about 55/45 Cardinal fan to Cub fan.
Sadly… here in Central Illinois where it’s more evenly divided the fans are ALOT more uncivil and alot more obnoxious. There are a few decent ones but most… even when the Cubs are doing well…. the Cardinal fans can never resist talking about how many World Series they have won and how they can’t wait for us to choke. And when we lost last year in the play offs some of them were unsufferable. Laughing about 100 years and so and so on.
Again, I stress, these are perceptions gathered from dealing with Cardinal fans through a local business for over 25 years. That’s more than a hand full of random people.
The more amazing Cardinal fans will ask a fan like me when the Cubs are doing well and they see me in a Cub shirt… “When I jumped on the band wagon?”
I just shake my head and reply… “About 1976 when I wanted to hit the ball as hard as Bill Madlock did.”
During my 18 years I came to bat almost 10,000 times. I struck out about 1,700 times and walked maybe 1,800 times. You figure a ballplayer will average about 500 at bats a season. That means I played seven years without ever hitting the ball. `Mickey Mantle, 1970
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
by iceman71 on Aug 9, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I so wanted Edmonds
to get a walkoff at the bottom of the 9th. It would’ve poetic justice. Who’da thunk that Howry, of all people, would help us out of the jam? Still think he stinks, tho.
by Emelie on Aug 8, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds
They just showed the highlites on SportsCenter w/ a Cub fan holding up a huge sign w/ “Don’t you wish you had him back? Go #15”
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 8, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saw a whole family in Red Sox shirts
strolling through the lobby of my building. If I’d known
by Emelie on Aug 8, 2008 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Wrigley still allowed smoking...
....they would name the designated smoking areas “The Bob Howry Smoking Section sponsored by Marlboro”.
Let’s hope he’s figured something out. They said on TV that it’s been stressed to him to try to use more off speed and “moving” pitches, instead of that 92 mph meat pitch. Looks like it worked today.
And I’ll say it: Daryle Ward is HORRIBLE this year. Since Giles turned down that trade to Boston, I’m still hoping we can somehow get him.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 8, 2008 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ward has been good for 10 intentional walks this year.
Don’t tell the other teams not to fear him. They haven’t figured it out yet.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he's walked a few times, but have that many really been IBB?
he comes off the bench and puts together a solid AB. I don’t think he’s “awful”.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 8, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has 10 walks as a PH, not sure if they're all intentional....
But, he’s 4-38 now as a PH. I mean, we’re not sending Daryle up there to walk really, we’re sending him up to get a big base hit. And, really, can you remember the last time he’s had a big pinch hit?
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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 8, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all the IBB are as a PH.
But yes, you’re right, he’s not up there to walk. He’s really been bad this year. Fortunately, it’s still worked out, for now at least.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are 24 frickin games over
and you are bangin on Ward? PLEASE
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
by Employee22 on Aug 8, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could be 27...
I want all the holes on this team filled, is that asking too much? What other team keeps a PH who’s only 4-38? It’s a season long slump, so what do we do in the playoffs? Keep saying he’s “due” and wait for what hasn’t happened all year in a key situation?
I will say this for Hendry, he’s always looking to upgrade. I would think this is a situation where he’s doing just that.
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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 8, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Saying it’s a “season-long slump” kinda masks the fact that it’s not even 45 at-bats. Seriously.
by cwyers on Aug 8, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Season long Pinch Hitting slump?
Is that better?
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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 8, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2-20 PH since he came off the DL?
2-18 before. Is that what you want out of your best PH? Seriously.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 8, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giles is NOT available.
He had the right to veto the trade, and he did. That meant that SD had to pull him back from waivers. He cannot be placed on revocable waivers again this season, and I doubt that SD would put him on unconditional release waivers—they would be on the hook for his contract.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Aug 8, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howry isn't as bad as we think
From todays Baseball Prospectus email:
Top 5 Most Helpful NL Relievers, by Inherited Runs Prevented
Player, Team, Inh Runs Prevented
Carlos Marmol, CHN, 6.3
Bob Howry, CHN, 5.3
Chris Sampson, HOU, 4.8
Damaso Marte, PIT, 4.5
Hong-Chih Kuo, LAN, 3.2
Marmol and Howry top the relievers in the NL when it comes to keeping inherited runners from scoring. Not a bad place to be.
Yeah he has gone through some bad times lately but he may make us proud of him yet.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Aug 8, 2008 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How many times do Howry and Marmol come in with inherited runners?
Both of them usually start off fresh, no?
by GoCubbies34 on Aug 8, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they do and....
Marmol’s ERA w/ bases empty: 2.25
Howry: 5.11
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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 8, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand that stat...
He’s prevented 5.3 runners from scoring all year?
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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 8, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, bubbamike...
Howry has been struggling, but he’s effective when he doesn’t give up the longball…I think thats something he can fix, however.
The team needs to carry him a while and see if he can return to form. I guess some have to find the one thing that’s going badly and harp on it.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on Aug 8, 2008 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would, definitely.
There’s a team option, IIRC.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
everyone else was bashing us the other day….i love having him as a mentor to geo
by cubswynn on Aug 8, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.....
You can tell he’s a clubhouse leader. Plus, he’s hitting pretty damn well this year!
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by carmen_fanzone on Aug 8, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a great backup for geo
And the guys seem to like him.
I hope they do bring him back.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 8, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hank White for President!
What a game!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Aug 8, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone run out and get your hank white jerseys!
by cubswynn on Aug 8, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be funny
a bunch of people with 24 jerseys that say “White” on the back
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he deserves his own statue!
"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun
by Bump Bailey on Aug 9, 2008 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Samardzija didn't catch Pujols napping
In fact, Pujols tried to catch the Shark sleeping (he must have noticed the same lack of focus that you pointed out re the Izturis walk) and took off for second before the pitch. Henry Blanco came out from behind the plate and pointed to second (and yelled too, I’m sure), and Samardzija then threw down to catch Pujols. Credt the Shark for not balking.
But you’re right about the losing focus. Izturis also stole third without a throw because of that.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Aug 8, 2008 6:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That steal of third was kind of pointless.
There were two out at the time—it would have taken a hit to score him anyway.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or a wild pitch
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Aug 8, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's scrappy, tho!
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to Izturis...
He wanted to sneak over and say hi to Aramis….
by BartlettBob on Aug 8, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
give him their secret "hand" shake
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
by El Borto on Aug 9, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just mouthed that same quote to my Dad
Just got off the phone with him. I’m a little giggly today, beating the Cardinals at Wrigley just feels great. Edmonds, this guy has been amazing. Love the replay off him tossing the bat and glancing at the Cardinals dugout. Eat that LaRussa.
If this is indeed “the year” I will be getting a Edmonds Cubs jersey, framing it and hopefully get him to sign it somehow.
by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 8, 2008 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to think
I should get an Edmonds jersey.
Maybe I’ll just get one of each.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you ever in your wildest dreams think...
... that you’d be saying that?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol....
well, I was never anti-Edmonds based on his history with the Cardinals; I just thought he was tapped out.
But no, when he was brought on, I figured that the only Edmonds Cubs jerseys would be the ones he wore. :D
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're not the yankees
we can hate a guy when he’s not on our team and when they are a cubbie, you gotta at least give them a chance
by cubswynn on Aug 8, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
Wrigleyvillesports.com has some Chicago Cubs Edmonds gear … jersey, t-shirts, etc.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 8, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's something I should invest in just for how ironically delicious and wonderful it is.
These are the saddest of possible words: "Tinker to Evers to Chance"
by slcathena on Aug 8, 2008 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told my dad, a Cards fan, just last night
that he can go ahead and buy me that Edmonds jersey whenever he feels like it. He responded, “Maybe…”
make/art
by neverAcquiesce on Aug 9, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how i know this is our year
we pinch run for geo, it ends up not working, and henry has to catch…..who gets the winning hit? hammerin hank
everything seems to fall into place for us
by cubswynn on Aug 8, 2008 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On Fukudome
Rookie season, new country – he’s gotta be homesick. Talk about culture shock. Not like he can make a quick trip home, but i don’t know what else would help him @ this point in the season.
by thegangler on Aug 8, 2008 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
Rosenthal has a nice piece on The Shark and papa shark.
by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 8, 2008 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a ND head, but its nice to see a local boy succeed.
he’s been pretty great.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 8, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't catch the TRL/edmonds thing
bat throwing? what happened? i’m confused
by cubswynn on Aug 8, 2008 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds kills a baseball
watches it… looks in the Cardinal dugout and flipped his bat in that direction(as if to say take that), begins HR trot .
by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 8, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that lack of humility
is what sinks him but without it he’d probably be nothing. Gotta take the good with the bad.
by Emelie on Aug 8, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
TLR deserves it, frankly.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Edmonds defense
Wow – feels so weird to type that. He got a bum deal in StL. He did a lot for that team and TLR. They repaid te favor by running him out of town.
by thegangler on Aug 8, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you feel the same way about
the way the Cubs treated Sosa? Sosa may not have been the nicest guy but he was treated like crap by the Cubs and their fans at the end. He gave a lot to the team and the city and was treated very badly. I know that most folks here disliked him but the numbers speak for themselves.
Oh and don’t mention juice as you have no evidence. He never tested positive and there is no mention of him as a user in scumbag Conseco’s book.
Baseball is too much of a sport to be a business and too much of a business to be a sport.
William Wrigley Jr
by bubbamike the one and only on Aug 8, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall
Reading anything about Edmonds quitting on his team before the season was over. Or his corked bat. Of course I’m not known for reading the StL dailies, so i might’ve missed something.
by thegangler on Aug 8, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want humility in my politicians and other leaders
i dont care about humility in ballplayers or other entertainers.
/ that’s just me
the pink hat guy is my father
by joeschmitt on Aug 8, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds Flip
The Cardinals broadcast brought it up after the 1/2 inning. They didn’t notice during the trot, but said something after the Cubs went back out to the field. They showed it and sided with Jimmy Ed. over LaRussa. Both Cardinal talking heads said that LaRussa was wrong and JE handled it very well.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.
by FSArkCubsFan on Aug 8, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT got my tshirt today.
Very cool. can’t wait to wear it
"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 8, 2008 6:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for buying one!
Will be sending another $200+ to Project 3000 next week.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ordered my shirt the day they became available..
my girlfriend and me wear them a bunch. Love getting the random what the hell is he wearing looks only to have true cubs fans figure it out. Love the shirts tho
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Aug 9, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gossage 1st pitch-
Just wondering- did the Cubs ever have Sutter throw the first pitch after his HOF election? I know they were (rightly) miffed about his desire to go in as a Cardinal.
"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69
by tommy veryzer on Aug 8, 2008 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They had him sing TMOTTBG
and usually whoever does that gets to throw out the first pitch. So I assume he did.
And the Cubs have absolutely no right to be miffed he went in as a Cardinal. First of all, the Hall decides what cap he gets.
Second of all, the Cubs and Sutter agreed on a four-year contract in 1980, but Bill Wrigley III vetoed it, because he didn’t think ballplayers should make that much money. Then the Cubs went to arbitration with him and lost. As soon as they lost the arb, they started shopping him around to whomever would take him. In the off-season in 1980, the Cubs shipped him off to St. Louis because they didn’t want to pay him. He then pitched four years for the Cardinals (only one fewer than he pitched for the Cubs) and won a World Series there.
So tell me again, why should the Cubs be upset that Sutter went in as a Cardinal? And are they actually upset or is it just you who is upset?
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on Aug 8, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And anyone who thinks Tribco is cheap...
... doesn’t remember the Wrigleys and how cheap they were. That arb award to Sutter was $700,000—which doesn’t sound like much now, but in 1980 it was the largest arb award to date and far higher than the previous record.
And when they weren’t being cheap, they were making vaguely racist moves—one of which was trading Bill Madlock because they claimed he wanted too much money, and then giving the guy they got for him, Bobby Murcer, MORE money than Madlock was asking for.
Tribco ain’t perfect, but they’ve done a far better job than the Wrigleys did in their last three decades of ownership.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, didn't know that about the Madlock trade....
I was pretty young then, all I remember was that they traded my favorite player.
Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow from the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind...
When my last remains go flying over the left field wall, I'll bid the bleacher bums adieu,
And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue. --Steve Goodman
by NotSure on Aug 8, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for a point of reference...
...the average free agent salary in 1985 – the earliest year I have salary data for – was $198,306.00.
by cwyers on Aug 8, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't that during the collusion era?
Or did that start a few years later? Can’t remember the exact dates…
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by berselius on Aug 8, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like '85 - '87 or so were the dates MLB was caught colluding.
They settled with MLBPA for $280 million or so in 1990.
And if you look at the rates of free agent salaries, they actually track BELOW non-FA salaries for most of that time period. I have no idea how they thought they wouldn’t get caught!
by cwyers on Aug 8, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Blue Man Group tossed the first pitch
by Emelie on Aug 9, 2008 4:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Shark wasn't scared of Pujols, but he was scared of them
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by JohnM on Aug 9, 2008 5:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds' OPS as a Cub is now 1.005
And that’s including his first eight games when he went 3 for 24.
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by JohnM on Aug 8, 2008 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
weren't
we all screaming done, Done, DONE….. after those first 8 games. I guess he was just getting warmed up, huh!!!
by cubbiefanTN on Aug 8, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even when he had that cold spell,
I was hoping the Cubs would give him a chance to rediscover his swing. I don’t know what Jim Hendry saw in him, but that move (bringing Edmonds to the Cubs) has definitely worked out.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 8, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TEAM...
Al, you wrote in the recap what I’ve been saying to myself over the last 2 hours, “wow, what a great TEAM win today”..... just another example of how this TEAM is different than those of years past. pitching, defense and timely hitting (although I could’ve stood for more hitting).
One thing I liked from the game was the confidence Lou had in the shark, two innings in a crucial game with a tied score, saving other relievers for the weekend. Haven’t looked back, but how many relievers did each team use today?
by cubbiefanTN on Aug 8, 2008 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
both teams used 3 relievers
cards pen pitched 3 innings, 63 pitches
Cubs pen pitched 2.3 innings, 61 pitches
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by joeschmitt on Aug 8, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2.3 innings
isn’t 3 innings? :D
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooops
2.2
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by joeschmitt on Aug 8, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm all screwed up
cards pen: 3 pitchers pitched 3 innings, 63 pitches
Cubs pen: 3 pitchers pitched 3.2 innings, 61 pitches
/ final
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by joeschmitt on Aug 8, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus the Cards bullpen faced 4 batters in the 11th
but no outs and thus no “innings”. Cubs pen pitched the “whole” 11th.
by ChipSet on Aug 8, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this might be a good time to bring back my edmonds-o-meter sig line, no?
finally the cubs again have a better winning percentage with edmonds (.605) than without (.600). and edmonds quadruple-slashy stats w/ Cubs are sick.
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by joeschmitt on Aug 8, 2008 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A shame I missed the game, but a great start to the weekend none the less….
Looking forward to tomorrows game that we get live already.
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by Aussie Cub on Aug 8, 2008 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel your pain...
what a game to miss…the quick highlight on sportscenter does no justice.
by NOLA CUB on Aug 8, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's is Marmol's ERA?
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by NittanyCub on Aug 8, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs.com said 3.03
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 8, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is in what's counted as an unearned run.
ESPN uses STATS, Inc as their data provider; I’m pretty sure that B-Ref uses Baseball Information Solutions as their data provider. (Nowhere on B-Ref does it say this, but I know that the Lahman database (which is what B-Ref is based on) gets info from BIS.
The “official” stats are compiled by the Elias Sporting Bureau, but they don’t like to share information.
by cwyers on Aug 8, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me.
Baseball Databank, not the Lahman DB. Although I think they’re the same thing now.
by cwyers on Aug 8, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.40 points
Is a big difference in ERA. Marmol’s pitched a lot of innings – that seems like a lot of ER are suddenly becoming unearned. I wonder which game(s) has the discrepancy
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by berselius on Aug 8, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN has Marmol with 25 runs, 14 earned.
BR has 25 runs, 21 earned.
The discrepancy seems to be in this game, where Marmol allowed 5 runs, 1 earned. Two errors in that inning – one by Marmol, one by Theriot. Again, BR reports 30 hits allowed by Marmol, ESPN 31. And… yep, ESPN says he allowed 4 ER that game.
What this tells me is that STATS’s scorekeeper ruled that one of the errors that inning was actually a hit – presumably his. Here’s the video; decide for yourself. Listening to the broadcast, it was originally scored a hit, and that’s how I would have scored it.
by cwyers on Aug 8, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the answer to the question is
The scoring was reversed today. The scorekeeper originally ruled the Marmol play a hit. That’s now been ruled an error, so four of the runs are unearned.
BR stats just hadn’t been updated yet. BR now shows Marmol with 21 ER.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on Aug 9, 2008 3:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see this before I posted - whoops
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Aug 9, 2008 5:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See my comment above with a link to a blurb noting a scoring change
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by JohnM on Aug 9, 2008 5:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree that it should have been scored a Hit
Marmol barely was able to get a glove on the ball; it was way to his left. I can’t imagine this would have been revised were it not for the significant ERA change that results.
Question about that video. I’m not an MLB.TV subscriber but was able to watch that link just fine. Are archived games available for free to everyone? (Is MLB.TV still just for “out of market” games?)
by ChipSet on Aug 9, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far as I can tell...
...you just need to register to watch archived games after a certain point in time.
by cwyers on Aug 9, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a blurb in the Trib today
about a scoring change in the July 12 “Marmol Meltdown” game. They’ve belatedly charged him with an error, reducing the number of earned runs charged from four to one. The language in the report (at the end of a jolly Kerry Wood injury update) is tortured and probably not accurate. So my interpretation of it may not be 100% either.
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by JohnM on Aug 9, 2008 5:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The language isn't correct.
It says:
A scoring change from the game July 12 against San Francisco gave Carlos Marmol an error. Instead of giving up four unearned runs in the five-run ninth, Marmol was charged with only one unearned run. His ERA is 3.00 with the change.
He meant to say that instead of four EARNED runs, Marmol now is charged with only ONE earned run. The baseball-reference.com boxscore has been updated and shows it correctly.
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by Al on Aug 9, 2008 5:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, did you mention the bare handed play by DeRosa?
I thought it was a game saver.
by Rick B on Aug 8, 2008 7:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a truly impressive world class play to be sure
by Emelie on Aug 8, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't always mention everything.
But yes, that was all part of the great defensive effort today.
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by Al on Aug 8, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#5 web gem
on the early BBTN
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 8, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to slow motion Howry
my TiVo of today’s game ran out after the first pitch to Hank White in the bottom of the 11th (had to watch the game later as I was out at meetings all day…ugh).
I had a feeling we won the game, since there were no outs, but you can imagine how pissed I was that the TiVo of the game ended at that particular spot. Stupid me for not recording the follow up program. Live & learn!
But great patience at the plate and great to get the first game of this series. Like the series in Milwaukee, it is important to get the first games and set the tone against the heated rivalries.
On to Saturday and the FSE broadcast!! Habla Espanol???
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Aug 8, 2008 7:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me Too Carl
The same thing happened to me – game stops recording after the 1st pitch to Hank in the 11th. AARRRGGGHHH….
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by CaliCub on Aug 8, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Nationals are a BAD baseball team
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Aug 8, 2008 7:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We dropped two out of three to them in DC.
I trust we can crush them when they come to Wrigley in two weeks.
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by Doggie Stalker on Aug 8, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOWRY
don’t worry guys….I put a picture of him as my background on my computer…ever since then he has been doing well….
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by cozmotaylor123 on Aug 8, 2008 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great game
I was working my 12 hour shift at the hospital here in NC. One of the children on the unit had two uncles from St. Louis visiting in their Cardinals jerseys, hats, etc. I was keeping them informed of the score by occasionally peaking at gameday when I could. In the last inning I told them the bases were loaded with Cubs and nobody out. They both just said “it’s over, go Cubs.” It was interesting that they said they wouldn’t go to Wrigley because Cubs fans treat Cardinals fans badly and throw things at them. I said I thought it was a friendly rivalry. They said it is friendly at Busch. I felt kind of bad that they felt that way, I guess I haven’t seen much abuse of Cardinals fans at Wrigley.
by mlern on Aug 8, 2008 7:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Marquis is a probable pitcher next week vs. Braves
I thought Lou said there will be a four man rotation…
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Aug 8, 2008 7:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Carrie Muskat is responsible for the website content.
Sooooo…
by cwyers on Aug 8, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 man rotation, I think
as Lou said Harden had 7 days off before his next start. That requires two days off with 5 man rotation, I believe.
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by LAcarl519 on Aug 8, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't say it was definite
and today the Trib reports
Jason Marquis will not be skipped over in the Cubs rotation, meaning Rich Harden, Marquis and Ted Lilly will start in the Atlanta series, which begins Tuesday
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by JohnM on Aug 9, 2008 5:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
Clearly, Lou would rather give everyone extra rest with the off days, than skip Marquis.
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by Al on Aug 9, 2008 5:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the decision
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Aug 9, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if all his games
are like his last, we can live with that.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 9, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Day
Grandpa turned 88 today on 08-08-08 and got a Cubs win as a birthday gift. This was the most memorable day that I have had at Wrigley.
Thanks for stopping by Al to say happy birthday to my grandpa. It was great to meet you.
by MissouriKev on Aug 8, 2008 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My pleasure.
Nice to meet you and your grandpa. I’m sure he had a wonderful time—great game, and great memories that you will cherish forever.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Aug 8, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a great way to spend an 88th birthday. How fun.
I hope I get to spend mine that way some day.
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by slcathena on Aug 8, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respect Tony LaRussa
and have been amazed that he has gotten his team along so far with re-treads, last minute FA signs, and youngsters. But today I gotta say: FU LA RUSSA!!!
Two squeeze attempts, one amazing play by DeRosa for the 4-3, and calling for it on a 2-strike count with the pitcher batting. I was so pleased to see all of his gambles backfire today.
Lookin’ for 2 more wins!! Go Cubs! “Home-Run Howry”, thanks for giving us all a break, man!
by The E-Man on Aug 8, 2008 8:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LaRussa is a jackass
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Aug 8, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm....
.... I gotta say that watching TLR’s postgame here in st louis, and being a lifelong cubs fan, I do have to tip my cap to TLR. On the air today he said that he’s ok with his players being aggressive, as long as it’s sensible. I’m pretty sure Lou’d say the same thing.
Jackass, sure. Aren’t you?
so yes, I respect him, and always have. but to say FU… that’s a remark of a coward.
by brianm on Aug 9, 2008 3:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, IIRC
The squeeze with Looper was with one strike, not two. The other bunt was with two outs—that’s not a squeeze per se. It’s a batter deciding on his own to bunt for a hit.
by Shanghai Badger on Aug 9, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a jackass
but a jackass with an incredible professional track record. I wish the Cubs had similar achievements over the last 15 years.
by The E-Man on Aug 8, 2008 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
His success feeds a lot of the negative comments
He may not be the nicest guy but his record speaks for itself. Right now, he might be Manager of the Year considering the bunch he has plus Pujols missing time on the DL.
by rlpete on Aug 9, 2008 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone explain me this strategy
Cedeño is the winning run on second, DeRosa is batting with the pitcher coming up and 2 outs. I thought that the obvious strategy was to walk DeRosa to force Lou to take Samardzija out of the game. It’s tough to argue that any pinch hitter the Cubs could have put in had a better chance to drive in that run than DeRosa. As it turned out the Shark got to pitch another scorless inning, helping the Cubs win the game.
Was there any logic to pitching to DeRosa?
by Luis on Aug 8, 2008 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LaRussa Logic
which, well, you know.
On the other hand, did Lou have a senior moment or what, waiting so long to put Cedeno in for Soto…
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 8, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou played it smart.
Once Pujols went to play behind Geo and not hold him on first, Lou pinch ran for Geo. This kept the hole open between first and second. Smart managerial move.
Football and basketball are just things to do between baseball seasons.
by MetsSuck on Aug 8, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't
Puhols have held Cedeno earlier, if Cedeno had been pinch running since the beginning of the bat?
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 9, 2008 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.....
I think it came down to who was going to force who’s hand. Who was going to blink first. Seems like TLR did and Lou reacted. Both of them are great managers and seem to think 2-3 moves ahead. Onward and upward. Let’s win today and secure the series because tomorrow is a dreaded “Joe Morgan gibberish day”.
Football and basketball are just things to do between baseball seasons.
by MetsSuck on Aug 9, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a great win
Soriano’s throw was tremendous. And I love Hank. Cubs really have a solid bench.
Cubs should give Dome off couple days in a row, just to slow him down. Seems his whole approach is at 100MPH, April and May he was at 50MPH.
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by Grockcubs on Aug 8, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Totally inappropriate, but does anyone have an extra ticket for tomorrow?
by Notre Dame Cubbie on Aug 8, 2008 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
But greetings in ZAX and so on, brother…
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airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team
or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a BEER." -Frank Zappa
by 615CubFan on Aug 8, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Bro.
You don’t know what we’ve seen….maybe a magic carpet ride….
by Notre Dame Cubbie on Aug 8, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man
LCAs everywhere. alpha-iota here.
by HereComesASpecialBoy on Aug 8, 2008 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool
Isn’t that Indiana? I was Indiana State, Iota-Epsilon.
by Notre Dame Cubbie on Aug 8, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hold up your hands now......
Those saying Cubs were retarding Pie’s development for the washed up Edmonds…...
by James031 on Aug 8, 2008 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, they are
But I would certainly take Edmonds’s numbers at this point anyway. I’m hoping Pie gets a shot next year
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by berselius on Aug 8, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
The Johnson/Edmonds combo has been the best CF in the NL, hasn’t it?
by AceCubbie on Aug 9, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate McClouth has probably been better on offense, a wash on defense.
Best CFer overall in the NL is probably Carlos Beltran. (Yes, I know – everyone thinks he’s slumping. He’s not slumping.)
by cwyers on Aug 9, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are
but he’ll get called up soon, and Edmonds has performed way beyond anyone’s realistic expectations.
Lightning in a bottle. Who knew? Nobody.
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by drewishdrewid on Aug 9, 2008 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hold your hand up...
if you thought Edmonds would be this good as a Cub (seriously).
The Cubs probably ARE retarding Pie’s development. Edmonds DID look washed up. Edmonds has been astonishingly good though.
by SouthernCub on Aug 9, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping....
As much as I cringed when I heard of the deal I knew a move had to be made from where we were at at that point in the season. It was obvious Pie needed some more seasoning. And pleased don’t jump on me about how many days he played in a row or not. The kid had a nose to toe “Duston-like” strike zone with every at bat. Didn’t seem to really be focused on getting quality at bats when he was given a chance to start.
During my 18 years I came to bat almost 10,000 times. I struck out about 1,700 times and walked maybe 1,800 times. You figure a ballplayer will average about 500 at bats a season. That means I played seven years without ever hitting the ball. `Mickey Mantle, 1970
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby
by iceman71 on Aug 9, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
World Series or Bust!
My family had playoffs tickets in 1984. When they left game two against the Padres nobody on the Addison bush believed they would lose the series. We need to win a pennant this year! My family had World Series tickets in 1984 too. It was crushing! not to mention 2003. Lets erase it in 2008!
by sanks on Aug 8, 2008 11:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe my favorite part of the win
who was the first person to congratulate henry? the $136 millon dollar man soriano…. this is a TEAM
by cubswynn on Aug 9, 2008 12:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just hope they dont limp into the postseason
Like after that Marlins series last year, I think the playoffs are entirely realistic at this point, the big worry being how much and who gets rested when and where over the next month and a half, b/c anything can happen in October, and what a punch in the crotch it would be to lose in the first round…ugh, stay positive!
But this season really is surreal, I think we all owe a big thanks to Tony LaRussa and his big mouth, or the Padres for being so bad and having no use for Jimbo. I was a staunch supporter of giving Pie a shot this year, but this platoon really is ideal for this team.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Aug 9, 2008 2:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere up there someone asked about Marmol's ERA
Because of a scoring change from the Cubs game against San Francisco on July 12, Carlos Marmol’s ERA was lowered, and he entered Friday’s game at 3.03. He has yet to give up a run since the All-Star break.[source]
That link also has some fun quotes from Fontenot about his pregame stuff w/ Z. It might be the first Muskat article I’ve ever enjoyed.
I think it’s just his face. - dat cubfan daver
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Aug 9, 2008 2:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fabulous game!
My poor Cards fan bro needed some whiskey to make that game go down! Glad Jedmon had the chance to show up his former team and do such a great job for his current team. When is the next Unofficial Official Edmonds Fan Club meeting? Lets get ‘em again today!
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by love the ivy on Aug 9, 2008 7:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: civilized rivalry
Just two minutes ago a guy asked me what I was doing today. “Watching baseball,” I replied to which he said, “Hope we do better today.” “Oh, I’m a Cubs fan,” I remarked back with a grin, and he comes back, without skipping a beat, “Well, I hope you guys do it this year.”
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