Bleed Cubbie Blue: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:

Around SBN: Want to help build SB Nation? We're hiring! Bar-right-arrows

Edmonds flipping the bat? Blowing off reporters?

Tiny by DaBard on

Post-Dispatch story

The story also says that Edmonds told two St. Louis reporters, "I'm (bleep) done with St. Louis"

If all this is true...

I...freaking...love... it.

For too long, Don Tony has tried to paint players who dare leave as horrid traitors. Now, his childish acts are coming back to haunt him. The St. Louis media is acting as if Edmonds killed their kittens, slapped their children and ravaged their wives.

Edmonds was never a Cardinal. He was a Cub waiting to happen.

 

 

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, editor-in-chief (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

0 recs | Comment 104 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

I think he enjoyed being a Cardinal until near the end...

Towards the end, things went sour. He and La Russa did not part ways on good terms. I’d guess that that’s why he’s (bleep) done with the Cardinals.

by SouthernCub on Aug 9, 2008 8:47 AM CDT   0 recs

Heh.

I’m pretty sure he enjoyed the World Series he won with them.

by Kornchex on Aug 9, 2008 11:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The media tried as well

what with the “Should he or should he not get an ovation?”

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 9, 2008 9:04 AM CDT   0 recs

LaRussa seems to have a habit of

ticking off his star players. Kinda odd that Rolen, Pujols, and Edmonds have all had a beef with him at some point or another. I can only hope that he drives Pujols out of there too!

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2008 9:26 AM CDT   0 recs

If I were Albert,

I’D do the driving. LaRussa’s driving record – not so clean.

CRAFTY BEAVER!!!

by lostinthevines on Aug 9, 2008 9:31 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

HAHAHA

"Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me." -Dusty Baker on OBP

by vtcub on Aug 9, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well done sir!

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice!

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2008 8:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Word around StL is

that TLR is really PO’d that they did not even try to make any moves. If the seaon ends up going down the toilet, many believe he is likely to walk at years end.

"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69

by tommy veryzer on Aug 9, 2008 11:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that would be fine with me.

give oquendo a shot!

"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx

by Dave Pendleton on Aug 9, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's been threatening that for years...

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 11:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think the new GM would mind.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 9, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I suspect LaRussa's headed to Cincinnati this offseason.

The Baker experiment is clearly a failure. With Jocketty in charge, IMO they’ll buy out the last two years of Baker’s deal and hire TLR.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 9, 2008 8:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why in the world would he want that job?

The guy is an ass IMO but he is a “winning” manager. That place is laden with problems. Some young talent yes but not a winner anytime soon I don’t think.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 9, 2008 8:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

'cuz it's Jocketty

the two of them would probably be married by now if that was legal in Missuori.

But still, i can actually see La Russa taking the Cinci job, they got the kind of young players he likes to groom, and the kind of depth in the farm system that he loves to trade away.

by Petrie000 on Aug 9, 2008 9:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But Larussa

has a WS ring, he is getting older, and he has said before he has considered retirement. The Reds are not a win next year team the way the Cubs were when Piniella decided to come here. They have years of work before they will contend and I am not sure TLR has it in him…Jocketty love or not.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 10, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't forget Ozzie Smith

Mr. Cardinal, who LaRussa pissed off and drove into retirement.

To be fair to LaRussa though, Ozzie was done by the time LaRussa took over the Cardinals. But Ozzie was not happy with the way LaRussa treated him.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Aug 9, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm LaRussa pisses off another one of his star players.

Like Kinky Reggae said he has done it before. It started with Ozzie Smith years ago. Him and Rolen never really liked each other. Him and Pujols had their little spat after the All Star game last year.
I think its a lot like Belcheck (sp?) of the Patriots. Damn fine coach/manager, but an awful person who very few people actually like on a personal level. Which would explain why those two are best friends.

Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs

by nji232 on Aug 9, 2008 9:33 AM CDT   0 recs

harsh

apt, but harsh

by tim815 on Aug 9, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Edmonds will always be a Cardinal

As well as he’s doing and as much as he has done for our team, I still can’t like the guy. He’ll always be a Cardinal in my eyes. I’m sorry, I wanna like him but I just can’t.

by dahcar on Aug 9, 2008 9:38 AM CDT   0 recs

I hope he makes a game saving catch in the World Series.....

....just for you. Dude, the guy is a Cub. Hustles, plays hurt, multi-homer games, wins games, good clubhouse guy, says all the right things. What else do you want!???

He is a Cub now, and a good one. End of story.

Good Guys Wear Blue

by Cubskingdom on Aug 9, 2008 9:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And his attitude in the clubhouse

was everyone’s biggerst concern – it was all “He’s a prima donna, he’s a loner, etc.” He has shown that he is a good teammate to his players here. Maybe he just needed a change of scenery.

CRAFTY BEAVER!!!

by lostinthevines on Aug 9, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

While I'd like any play...

to win the World Series, my guess for most fans would be for Kerry to strikeout whoever on a nasty 0-2 slider. Geo grabs the ball, and no nonsense like the Red Sox gives it to Kerry for a while who then gives it to the team/hall of fame.

by CubFan81 on Aug 9, 2008 1:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Huh?!?

He was an Angel first, why won’t he always be an Angel?

"Why does that man drop his club before he runs? I would bring it with me." ~Stewie Griffin

by Goodie1969 on Aug 9, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know he was an Angel first

but I’ve seen him so much in the last 7-8 yrs I think of him as a Cardinal.

by dahcar on Aug 9, 2008 3:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh my god

get over it already…..i can’t stand fans like you

by cubswynn on Aug 9, 2008 9:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh why can't you like him now?

Atlanta game did it for me, and this war he is at with STL right now. He said himself yesterday that he “is f$%$@#$ done with the Cardinals.” So lets forget him as a Cardinal.

Missouri Tigers 2008 Cotton Bowl Champs

by nji232 on Aug 9, 2008 9:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he just basically

beat them single handed yesterday. What more can he do?

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Aug 9, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We cheer a team.

A TEAM. Now, I can understand not wanting to cheer a player because he’s not a good human being, or cheats to perform better, but refusing to cheer a guy on your own team just cos he was a member of your biggest rival? That’s stupid.

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 9, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LSA

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 9, 2008 11:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can still dislike him and root for him.

In fact I really dislike the guy ( per previous posts this has NOTHING to do with his being
a Cardinal and everything to do with his crappy hitting and fielding with Padres and Maddux in April) but when he is a Cub I will root for him.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 9, 2008 12:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

are you of the opinion

that he was intentionally tanking for the padres and your beloved maddux??

the pink hat guy is my father

by joeschmitt on Aug 10, 2008 4:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I never said I wouldn't cheer him on.

I didn’t really like Sammy, but still cheered him and the team on.

by dahcar on Aug 9, 2008 3:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you didn't like Sammy??

in ‘98?? the corked bat didn’t happen until June ‘03.

the pink hat guy is my father

by joeschmitt on Aug 10, 2008 4:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lee was a Marlin

in 2003. Get over it.

My fiancee and I had this argument when it looked like Favre might go to the Bears. She said the Bears wouldn’t want him because “he is the enemy”

I said, “If Pujols wanted to be a Cub, I’d drive him to the airport myself. If Urlacher wanted to be a Packer, I’d offer to mow his lawn.”

Rivalry is fine. Winning is better.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

...and our getting edmonds

...is why i like the cubs now better than the bears.

let’s look at their positions in may

in a vital position (qb/cf) that we have had limited success at for about fiddy years, we have the guy we ‘really want’ to make it (grossman/pie) and a guy who is a good clubhouse guy/scrappy/overachiever (orton/reed).

a guy bacomes available who has humiliated us time and again at that important position (favre/edmonds). to bring him in may admit that our hope for the future was a pipedream.

what happens?

lovie smith: ‘we like our guys. we don’t need him.’

piniella/hendry: ‘he could help us win some games. sign edmonds.’

chicago fans support their teams. i’ve been critical of the cubs ignoring their minor leagues before. but with the apparent lack at ss (and cf in the future, maybe) hendry will do anything ti win this year, even if it means demoting pie and trading eric patterson.

by tim815 on Aug 9, 2008 12:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

while similar...

they’re not exactly the same. It would be different if the Packers had released Favre and then the Bears made no play for him but they didn’t and you knew they weren’t going to. Especially with the chances that his first choice was Minnesota and second was probably Chicago.

I still don’t understand the “don’t trade within your division” phobia many GMs have and again chalk it up to the information era where everyone gets ripped for every move. If you honestly think you’re team is better trading player X away for players Y and Z then it shouldn’t matter. If you see X again, great, but if Y and Z help you beat them then what does it matter?

by CubFan81 on Aug 9, 2008 1:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nor is edmonds

in the same category as favre by any stretch.

but the cubs are trying to put the best team they can on the field. and making transactions along those lines.

many organizations (and the cubs have been there) are willing to put ‘any old kind of a team’ on the field.

what if the cubs had dealt for a centerfielder in 1969 for joe decker, ken rudolph, or somesuch?

by tim815 on Aug 9, 2008 2:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's hate a guy

For doing his job really well. And that’s exactly what he did as a Cardinal. Now he’s working as hard as he can for the cubs. If anything, we’ve learned that Edmonds is a true professional in baseball.

by ak123 on Aug 9, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed.

No matter what we used to think of him as a Cardinal, he appears to be a consummate team player.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 9, 2008 11:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wow hatred that deep......

when he has done everything accepted of him and then some. You entitled to your opinion but for me it’s so much more fun watching him do good against the Cards. I view it as he’s come over from the dark side.

"We've had our ups and downs, but as long as you have a reason, something to fall back on and a plan, that's all there is to it," Soto said.

by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 9, 2008 12:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I repeat: I never said I hated him.

Are you kidding me? I loved watching him destroy the Cards yesterday. Good for him, the Cubs, and his personal vendetta.

by dahcar on Aug 9, 2008 3:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ditto!

ernie81

by ernie81 on Aug 9, 2008 3:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow, didn't expect so much negative reaction

I never said I hate the guy. I know he’s played great and was an amazing pick up on Hendry’s behalf, but I can’t have a personal opinion on someone? I don’t really like Cedeno, but he’s been more than an incredible bench player this season.

by dahcar on Aug 9, 2008 3:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You said you can't like him

How are we supposed to react?

Root for the name on the front, not on the back. You’ll be happier.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's because I root for the name on the front...

that I’m happy he’s on the team overwhelmingly filling a huge hole.

by dahcar on Aug 9, 2008 3:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

root for the laundry

not random individual millionaire athletes that go from port to port

the pink hat guy is my father

by joeschmitt on Aug 10, 2008 4:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

why do you "dislike" so many Cubs?

Sosa (in ‘98)? Cedeno? What’s not to like?

the pink hat guy is my father

by joeschmitt on Aug 10, 2008 4:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope he does make a game saving catch in the WS.

That would be great to see, and would mean we make it to the WS. I don’t want any more from him. He’s played stellar.

by dahcar on Aug 9, 2008 3:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that is such a silly viewpoint to have

your post subject says it all:

Edmonds will always be a©ardinal

uhhh, no, he’s a Cub. do you live your life like this, refusing to deal with or even acknowledge actual facts, or is it just sports?

and please do not capitalize the c in cardinals. ; )

the pink hat guy is my father

by joeschmitt on Aug 10, 2008 4:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oops

the blockquote is supposed to read “[ c ]ardinal”

the pink hat guy is my father

by joeschmitt on Aug 10, 2008 4:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

La Russa

His results speak for themselves. It is his team against the world and if you are not on his team you are against it.

I am certain Edmonds will see some chin music today or tomorrow, more likely today and probably middle of the game…depending on the situation. With Z on the mound La Russa will want to see if he can get Z out of his emotional control and the Cubs.

Trouble is I expect the Cubs to be wary of this and let the game speak for response. If the Cubs win today, especially a big offensive game look out tomorrow as La Russa will try to change the momentum and tune and make it hot.

What people don’t understand is Tony is about his team winning. And I enjoy my team winning. Lou knows this also. It will be a tense game today.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Aug 9, 2008 10:07 AM CDT   0 recs

If a ball comes near Edmonds

We need to hit four Cardinals.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We need to be the bigger team...

... and not start a beanball war. Do you want to get some of our important guys suspended?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 9, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right...

I was angry. Two Cardinals would be fine :)

Seriously, though, I don’t think the team should just roll over to a division rival and say, “Throw at us at will.”

LaRussa has made a career of ordering bean balls and acting the victim when someone dares to retaliate.

And let Howry do it. We can afford to lose him for a game or two.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i don't like tony either but

i’ve been watching him for about 10 years and i don’t think he orders up bean balls, seriously.
sometimes i wish he would. if he does it’s very seldom.

"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx

by Dave Pendleton on Aug 9, 2008 11:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You need to read

“Three Nights in August” by Buzz Bissinger (aka the author of Friday Night Lights). It follows a three game set between the Cubs and the Cardinals from 2003 from the Cardinal POV (with many TLR moments). There’s a huge section all about LaRussa making the decision to bean a Cub (can’t remember which one though).

Tony LaRussa amounts to a great baseball mind who cannot manage his players. As noted above, he seems to piss off his stars frequently. Furthermore, in a clubhouse frought with alcohol problems (Spezio, Hancock), he shows why he belongs at the helm by himself picking up a DUI. If I had been Edmonds as a Cardinal and seens that, I would lose all respect for him.

Jim Edmonds deserves an “attaboy” and a slap on the back for wanting to be ”^**$%# done” with the Cardinals right now. A great franchise is being tarnished by a drunken, crass manager.

"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"

by cubs0505 on Aug 9, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I did read Three Nights In August.

I didn’t say he NEVER did it. I just said seldom.
But I agree with everything else you said.

"I wouldn't be a part of any club that would have me as a member" : Groucho Marx

by Dave Pendleton on Aug 9, 2008 2:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

The White Sox were the victims of a one sided bean ball war last week. A KC player essentially took exception to being hit with the bases loaded and charged the mound, I don’t know the ramifications but it could hurt the Sox in a pennant chase.

The critical thing to understand is that major-league pitchers don't appear to have the ability to prevent hits on balls in play. There are many possible reasons why this is the case, and I don't really have a concrete idea as to why it is.

But the one thing I do know is that it is the case.

--Voros McCracken

by nbt on Aug 9, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And Ozzie went nuts...

But the ump did apologize for throwing White Sox out, so that makes me think there were no suspensions…

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Ozzie was suspended two games

but it may have been for bumping the ump

The critical thing to understand is that major-league pitchers don't appear to have the ability to prevent hits on balls in play. There are many possible reasons why this is the case, and I don't really have a concrete idea as to why it is.

But the one thing I do know is that it is the case.

--Voros McCracken

by nbt on Aug 9, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right, there were no player suspensions...

... but why take the chance?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 9, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Have Howry throw it.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Aug 9, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If a pitch hits Edmonds

Geo knocks the next one out of the park.

That’s how you get revenge.

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 9, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And then you throw at the next guy's ribs...

If the Cardinals do this, they must be told that it is unacceptable. The worst a suspension will be is 2 games. The message will last a lot longer.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Aug 9, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But I still see no reason for the Cardinals to start it.

Edmonds wasn’t showing anybody up. And it’s a travesty if you get plunked for hitting two homeruns.

With out lineup, though, I’ll take the baserunners if they wanna give em to us.

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Aug 9, 2008 11:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that's baseball

if you kick our hindquarters long enough, we put one at your earflap.

by tim815 on Aug 9, 2008 12:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think...

you see what the situation is. Obviously Zambrano shouldn’t do it. But I think if it happens and the game is at hand one way or the other, you go get Pujols right in the back or ribs. You NEVER let guys throw at you. Leave it to Howry or someone to peg him. But you go after their biggest horse.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Aug 9, 2008 2:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How about

a Cubs win with no beanball shit. Kick their asses. Thatll piss em off.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 9, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah,

obviously you want to win. But having the back of your teammate isn’t crap. At all. Thats having that swagger everyone wants the Cubs to have. You never leave you teammate out to dry. Ever.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Aug 9, 2008 2:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

true...W is the most importnt thing.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Aug 9, 2008 2:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Absolutley

I’m not saying you gotta kill a guy or even hit him. Drop the plow at the plate. Slide a little late into second. Throw behind Albert. Something that says “Hey. We’re not letting you push us around.”

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Aug 9, 2008 2:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i sort of agree with this viewpoint

as well as the “lets not start a beanball war” viewpoint. it is a delicate balance, which is why it’s the subject of such controversy and lore.

the pink hat guy is my father

by joeschmitt on Aug 10, 2008 4:35 AM CDT to parent up