Silence Is Not Golden: Cubs 0, Astros 3
Positive spin. Positive spin. Positive spin.
Oh, the heck with it. There is no positive spin you can put on today's depressing 3-0 Cub shutout loss to the Astros, the first shutout loss since... the last time the Astros were in town a month ago, when they blanked the Cubs and Ryan Dempster on Tornado Siren Night, a game shortened to eight innings by the storms that blew through. Today's sellout crowd, as well as the Cubs bats, were as quiet as those storms were loud.
Today's storm was Houston pitcher Roy Oswalt, who looked like the Oswalt who killed the Cubs back in 2004; Dave, Mike & I agreed that Oswalt's was the best pitching performance we had seen all year. Until he ran out of gas and gave up two hits in the ninth, two bouncy little singles, one by Geovany Soto, one by Ryan Theriot, were all the "offense" the Cubs could muster. They went walkless for the first time since... well, since I can remember, and checking a few boxscores for the last couple of months, I can't remember them going walkless since June.
It felt terrible. It felt depressing. It felt... well, I don't want to go there. Let's look at it this way: with the Mets beating the Brewers 4-2 today, the Cubs don't lose any ground and get another game taken off the schedule. (And though I hate to see anyone injured, if Ben Sheets has to miss any time with the groin injury he suffered today, the Brewers have trouble ahed.) Let's look at it this way: the Phillies, who came in and looked pretty solid all weekend, lost to a really bad Washington team and got no-hit for five innings today. And tomorrow, the Cubs face Brandon Backe, who isn't Roy Oswalt, and Carlos Zambrano will go -- pushed back only two days, so you can take off your tinfoil hat if you're worried about Z and any spin you might have put on the fact that he didn't throw yesterday.
Here's some positive spin: at least the Cubs showed some offensive life in the 9th inning, and had the wind not been blowing in, maybe Derrek Lee's warning-track fly ball would have made the basket (hey! could have been the first use of replay!) and the game would have been tied. Credit, too, to Alfonso Soriano for breaking up what could have been a game-ending DP ball hit by Kosuke Fukudome in that 9th inning with a nice rolling slide, at least giving D-Lee a chance. Soriano also made one catch today without bunny-hopping; instead he did his best imitation of a stork, standing on one leg while catching Darin Erstad's fly ball in the 7th.
And give credit to the Astros, who are 25-10 since July 26, and have done virtually all of that without Carlos Lee, who has been out since August 9.
More positive spin: Jason Marquis did a nice job today, throwing six innings, allowing five hits and striking out eight, the most K's he's had in a game in more than three years, dropping his ERA to 4.46. And although Jeff Samardzija wild-pitched in the third run, he and the just-recalled Michael Wuertz kept the game close.
Speaking of today's recalls, I did not know before reading Koyie Hill had severed most of the fingers on his right hand, his throwing hand, last offseason in a table saw accident. Credit to him for working hard to keep playing and to make it back to the major leagues, even for a September callup, and I think it'd be great if he had even one contribution to the Cubs' playoff run.
Playoff run. Remember that? Do you? It's still going. Even though the Cubs have lost three in a row at home for the first time all season, there is plenty of time left and do not forget that this is a damn good team and they have many more wins left in them, for this month... and next. We'll get 'em tomorrow.
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I was listening to the game on the highway...
…and the only consolation was that , every time the Cubs had yet another scoreless inning, something somewhat positive happened in the Mets-Brewers game.
by sniffy the bee on
Sep 1, 2008 7:01 PM CDT
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20 games in last 20 days
The Cubs looked a little gassed today; a bit sloppy on defense, and little fire on offense. I hope they can suck it up for the stretch.
by Carolina Cubbie on Sep 1, 2008 7:10 PM CDT 0 recs
Cub offense looks gassed, and the defense shabby around the edges
The poor air quality that has hunkered down over Chicago the past few days certainly can’t be helping. If it were my ballclub I would do the radical on Tuesday…sit Lee, Soriano, Edmonds and Soto for the day and play Hoffpauier (1st), Ward (LF), Johnson and Hill.
by MDBNIU on Sep 1, 2008 7:20 PM CDT 0 recs
you really
DO want this team to lose.
Go brewers and phillies and astros, right?
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on
Sep 1, 2008 7:32 PM CDT
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Boy I just
don’t get him wanting to set 4 starters at one time. Unreal!
by sue369 on
Sep 1, 2008 7:40 PM CDT
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At least he has some ideas that extend beyond mindless cheerleading
Sometimes shaking up a gassed lineup can help but you’d have to actually understand baseball to get that part.
by bluekoolaide on
Sep 1, 2008 8:31 PM CDT
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you're joking.
I can see giving Soto some rest, although I don’t know if I’d play Hill over Blanco.
Ward in LF???? Yeah, right.
Hoffpauer at first over Lee? How many of Riot’s throws do you WANT to see in the visitor’s dugout?
No one is mindlessly cheerleading. But you don’t sit the foundation of your starting lineup ALL AT ONCE.
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 1, 2008 8:38 PM CDT
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Hoffpauir
should not play over Lee, except in a blowout or if Lee needs time off – I agree. However, I don’t think his defense at 1B is terrible like you suggest.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Sep 2, 2008 4:00 AM CDT
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Having Ward play left field in left field?
Give me mindless cheerleading any day over that.
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on
Sep 1, 2008 8:39 PM CDT
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I have no problem with
Lou resting some of the starters but not 4 at a time. That’s just stupid. I’ll take mindless cheerleading over constant bitching any day.
by sue369 on
Sep 1, 2008 8:57 PM CDT
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well....
you know what logically speaking i would call him crazy but with this team he might be onto something. we find a way to win somehow,someway. I kinda dont mind this losing and slumping right now. lets inch into the playoffs and get smoking hot again all at once cause thats what its gonna take. I trust this team and I trust no matter what lineup on any given day will find a way to get it done. were destined and its full of day to day different heroes.
I’ve always said during life that it will all come together at once. well this year i’m on the brink at just that. Ive strived very hard in all my endeavors. my occupation,my wife,my kids, my cubs. seemingly this year I seem to be getting really close. I think its time we all band together like no other and enjoy this as ONE!!! please lets believe!!
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on
Sep 1, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
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this isn't on the level
of replacing Rex Grossman with Kyle Orton, or vice versa.
You simply do not play Micah Hoffpauer over Derek Lee at first at the same time that you’re playing Daryle Ward in left over Soriano, and Koyie Hill over Soto at the plate. Not all at once. Not when you want to win the game.
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 1, 2008 10:54 PM CDT
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And yet just hours ago you were telling us how little our callups mattered...
…because Lou wouldn’t let up off the gas in a tight playoff race.
by cwyers on
Sep 1, 2008 9:50 PM CDT
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What the hell?
Literally the first two games I’ve missed (not seen or heard) all year and they lose – and look bad doing it.
Remind me not to miss any more…
CRAFTY BEAVER!!!
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by lostinthevines on Sep 1, 2008 7:33 PM CDT 0 recs
Don't miss any more games!!!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 1, 2008 7:58 PM CDT
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no more missing games!
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 1, 2008 8:38 PM CDT
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Reality
There is no question that this is a good team, a team worthy of going to the postseason.
However…
Based on what I have seen over the course of the season, and particularly over the last few games, I have concerns about how far this team can go in the postseason. My concerns:
They can score runs in bunches, but they are inconsistent. The number of come-from-behind wins have been great, but how often could those deficits have been avoided with a couple of timely hits in the first few innings?
Soriano – the man just has no interest in playing team baseball. I love the home runs, but I would trade them for a few more clutch hits. His stats in that area are pitiful. I am tired of watching him strike out on a breaking ball in the dirt or while trying to pull a pitch on the outside half. He is what he is and he isn’t likely to change, which is all the more disappointing.
Lee – Watching him roll over and hit grounders to short in clutch situations is sad. I don’t know what he is doing differently, but his ability to consistently drive the ball seems to be missing. I wonder if he has a hidden injury, or perhaps if other issues might be on his mind.
Fukudome – We have all talked about it. He is clearly a different hitter than he was four months ago. The league has adjusted to him and he has not yet been able to adjust back. Love his defense and love his hustle, but his decline at the plate has been alarming.
The Pen – Cotts and Howry are not playoff caliber. The nouveau Nasty Boys are intimidating and may be enough, but can they go in back-to-back-to-back games?
Z’s tired arm – I don’t think the Cubs are hiding anything, but still, it is a concern.
Taking pitches – God forgive me for saying this, but this weekend there were a ridiculous number of called third strikes on pitches that should have been hammered. I love patience at the plate, but not at the expense of multiple called third strikes.
Fatigue – 20 games in 20 days, this team is just tired. I would love to see them start the Iowa all-stars tomorrow, get some hunger and fire out there and give the regular guys a blow, maybe even for a couple of days. This is the sort of thing that could linger for a long time and debilitate the team.
Pressure – Nobody in the Cubs club house talks much about it, but whenever this team gets close, this year, next year, 100 years, the pressure to “break the curse” could become overwhelming. It will take a mentally tough group of men to overcome.
I do not intend this to be a “Sky is falling” post. These are concerns I have had for a while now, as I have watched this team evolve. It does nothing to diminish my excitement for the season. I think this team could win it all, but (like many teams out there) there are many issues it will need to overcome. I really don’t want to see a repeat of last year’s Arizona series.
I will now put the shields up to defend myself from the multiple slams I will receive for being a naysayer, gloom and doomer, negative person, non-fan, closet Cards or Brew Crew fan, or any one of a number of insults that will likely come my way.
In conclusion, go Cubs!
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband
by Ross on Sep 1, 2008 7:39 PM CDT 1 recs
+1
And I’ll add I’m also worried about Harden, who hasn’t been as dominating lately.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on
Sep 1, 2008 7:52 PM CDT
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"Lately"?
You mean in his last outing?
In the three starts before that, Harden was 3-0, with one run allowed in 19 IP, 5 BB, 23 strikeouts. Pretty dominating, if you ask me. He’ll be fine.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 1, 2008 8:35 PM CDT
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Not going to slam you. I'm just going to say they are not a perfect team.
But they are the best team in the NL. They have the highest winning percentage against winning teams in the NL. They will be fine. I’d rather dwell on the reasons they are so good than worry about all the things that could “possibly” go wrong.
by Rick B on
Sep 1, 2008 7:54 PM CDT
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Soriano
hasn’t hit a home run in weeks. What he HAS been doing is getting on base. Kind of like a lead-off hitter.
I just don’t understand why people think he doesn’t play the game right. I really don’t.
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 1, 2008 8:39 PM CDT
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Soriano hasn't hit a HR in weeks?
Hm. Guess I imagined the gamewinner on Friday.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 1, 2008 8:57 PM CDT
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sorry
forgot about that one.
The point remains, he’s not been striving to hit HRs left and right. He’s been putting the bat on the ball, and getting on base.
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 1, 2008 9:09 PM CDT
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Point taken.
But when he’s on one of his hot streaks, he’ll do that on-base thing AND hit multiple homers in a week.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 1, 2008 9:09 PM CDT
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I know.
and I keep hoping one of those happens.
But when he’s not, I’d rather him get on base than try to hit HRs — and that’s what it appears that he’s doing.
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 1, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
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Soriano
It actually hasn’t been weeks since his last home run he had a game winning hr against the reds on Friday. Soriano doesn’t play the game right due to his careless errors in the field, watch hr’s or warning track power that occurred in milwaukee and in Atlantla which put the team in unwanted position and his lack of big hits. He has had some clutch hits but when you make that kind of money it needs to be happening a lot more. I’m not a complete hater of Soriano but I think if he needs to improve in his all around play. In the end I do believe Soriano is going to have a tremdous last few weeks and will see the return of his deadly power
"Commit to the Indian!"
by Bpatterson83 on
Sep 1, 2008 9:00 PM CDT
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Soriano has always been a defensive liability
everyone knew that going in, atleast he is no longer playing second, except for that 1/2 inning earlier this year. I can handle his mediocre defense as long as he puts up his numbers. You almost sound like the guy I was sitting next to the other day. He had napoleon dynamite’s voice….“Gawd Soriano earn your paycheck……Put Derosa in right field already.” That is a direct quote by the way.
by bheidge on
Sep 1, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
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why be satisfied with his mediocre defense?
I think most people would agree that with his salary as high as it is his overall game should be more consistent that it is. Sweet quote by the way
"Commit to the Indian!"
by Bpatterson83 on
Sep 1, 2008 9:20 PM CDT
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considering he has missed a lot of time
his offensive numbers make up for his defense…..so no i would not agree with you, nor do i think “most” people would
he will never ever do enough to earn his salary in the eyes of people like you…..it’s the same problem a-rod has
take a look at the cubs record when he’s in the lineup vs. when he’s not….he completely changes the way teams approach the cubs
by cubswynn on
Sep 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT
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yeah he gets paid alot but
its not like we got barry zito’d or carlos silva’d. I am worried a few years down the road when his bat speed decreases though…….
by bheidge on
Sep 1, 2008 9:45 PM CDT
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i do too
these back loaded contracts are gonna SUCK…hope hendry is smarter than me
by cubswynn on
Sep 1, 2008 10:00 PM CDT
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As I have said many times...
… if the Cubs win this year, I don’t care about the backloaded contracts.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 2, 2008 4:13 AM CDT
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Soriano's defense isn't mediocre.
Seriously – when you compare him to his peers, as in other corner outfielders, he is a plus defensive player.
by cwyers on
Sep 1, 2008 10:01 PM CDT
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I say mediocre
because, he doesnt really make too many great plays and a lot of times he just mindfucks himself out of a routine play. Compared to other Left fielders he could be considered above average…….but I hold him to a higher standard than that and I have no explanation why
by bheidge on
Sep 1, 2008 10:07 PM CDT
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for every bad routes he takes
his arm makes up for it…..let’s not forget that part of his game
by cubswynn on
Sep 1, 2008 10:12 PM CDT
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Well maybe you shouldnt hold him to a higher standard.
Has he given any reason to? Unlike Dome, Cubs didn’t get Sori to make their outfield defense better. So why hold him to a higher standard.
If it has to do w/ his contract….. not his fault the Cubs signed him too that much.
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on
Sep 1, 2008 10:14 PM CDT
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Plus as in...
…Soriano + ball hit to him = poor jump, bad route, dropped ball and at times, less than a maximum effort to get to the baseball.
I know we disagree on the revelance on certain statistics and I also realize there are some less than stellar corner outfielders, but I do not believe that Soriano is a + defender at his position.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 1, 2008 10:10 PM CDT
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Im no sabermagician.....
so I would be curious to see how his stats look as opposed to other LF’ers in the NL.
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on
Sep 1, 2008 10:15 PM CDT
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Sigh.
Soriano’s total line, 2008: .288/.343/.539
Soriano, RISP, 2008: .292/.385/.635
Soriano, Bases Loaded, 2008: 1.000/.500/1.500
Yep. Look at all of those pitiful stats!
by cwyers on
Sep 1, 2008 9:54 PM CDT
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The dude is talented...
…and he can flat out hit, especially when he gets in one of his locked in modes. I have come to appreciate his skills with the bat more and more and he is a + hitter at the plate.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 1, 2008 10:13 PM CDT
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You're Free To Dislike A Player With The Best Stats In The World
You can say you don’t like his style, or the way he wears the uniform, or that he reminds you of a high school bully, or that he just irks you for some intangible reason. I can accept that. But don’t make the mistake I have on occasion, which is to try to statistically justify a personal dislike only to have the numbers betray you.
"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl
by CaliCub on
Sep 1, 2008 10:35 PM CDT
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I call your stats and raise you...
.250 BA vs RHP. (.383 vs LHP)
.753 OPS vs RHP (1.190 vs LHP)
Late innings of close games
.176 ba (6-for-34), 3 RBI (.243 OBP, .412 SLG)
Behind in the count
.185 BA, .188 OBP (Is behind in the count 61% of the time)
Average in extra innings
.100 BA (1-for-10)
With two outs
.255 (27-for-106)
BA vs Division Rivials
.211 vs Reds
.179 vs Astros
.242 vs. Brewers
.259 vs Cardinals
.417 vs Pirates
Of his 60 hits at Wrigley this year, just seven went to right
Look, we can both throw stats at each other. Pitchers pitch Soriano outside and he keeps trying to pull it. That is just stupid, and it hurts the team. It doesn’t mean they should cut him. But it would be nice to see him do a little more.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband
by Ross on
Sep 2, 2008 12:57 AM CDT
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Soriano
bugs me sometimes but I feel like defending him. No team baseball? Did you miss his take-out slide to keep the 9th inning rally -which he helped start - going, yesterday? Not clutch? What difference does it make if he hits his 3-run homers in the 8th inning or the 3rd inning? You’re knocking a guy for driving in 63 runs in 89 games (and out of the lead-off spot) because they’re not driven in at the right time of games?
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Sep 2, 2008 4:12 AM CDT
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That wasn't supposed to be crossed out - it was supposed to be in parentheses
Soriano, or course, did help start that 9th inning rally with a clutch single with a runner on first and one out.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Sep 2, 2008 4:14 AM CDT
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shit, to make it even more depressing..
I start school tomorrow!!
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Sep 1, 2008 7:46 PM CDT 0 recs
Al, wasn't it D. Ward, not Soto, who had the single?
by GoCubbies34 on Sep 1, 2008 7:52 PM CDT 0 recs
I think Al was talking earlier in the game, against Oswalt.
by Carolina Cubbie on
Sep 1, 2008 7:56 PM CDT
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Correct.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 1, 2008 7:59 PM CDT
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Gotcha...
Until he ran out of gas and gave up two hits in the ninth, two bouncy little singles, one by Geovany Soto, one by Ryan Theriot, were all the “offense” the Cubs could muster.
I misread that as the two singles being the two hits in the ninth.
by GoCubbies34 on
Sep 1, 2008 8:04 PM CDT
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Positive spin.
Here’s some positive spin.
Even though the Cubs lost, it is essentially a wash, as EVERY other team chasing them lost, so now there’s just one less game on the schedule. The Happy Digit is now 15 for a playoff spot, so I’m cool with it.
BTW, I was at the Nationals-Phillies game today, and the Nationals are a completely different team then they were two weeks ago. Big time offense now.
"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945
by flyingdonut on Sep 1, 2008 7:54 PM CDT 0 recs
3 game home losing streak...our longest of the year is 4 overall
We have had a 4 game losing streak this year, June 26, 27, 28, and 29. We lost to Baltimore and then were swept by the White Sox (Crawdad, I said the magical word!). Puts things in perspective a bit once we know that the “worst” we have been this year was losing four games!
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Sep 1, 2008 7:55 PM CDT 0 recs
That may have been the dates...
But the Cubs swept the White Sox at home……..The White Sox swept the Cubs at the Cell
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Sep 1, 2008 11:37 PM CDT
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I think he meant..
… the longest losing streak is 4, overall, not 4 at home.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 2, 2008 4:14 AM CDT
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I hate to admit it but I'm starting to get nervous
Being a fan for many years I am starting to wonder if the collapse is starting. The last few weeks have been joyous. I have taken Al’s advice and have really started to let every game sink in as I take note of where I am during this “magical” season. A win tomorrow will do wonders for my psyche.
by mgfabc on Sep 1, 2008 7:56 PM CDT 0 recs
A collapse is virtually impossible.
If the Cubs lose every one of their remaining series, Philadelphia or St. Louis would have to sweep three of their final eight series. And win the other five. Not going to happen.
by Rick B on Sep 1, 2008 7:59 PM CDT 0 recs
For those
that want to sit the entire starting roster tomorrow, have you looked at the schedule? Do you not realize that there are 2 off days in the next 7 days, and 3 in the next 14 days? What do you want, rest now, or rest all of October?
Moose
Hubbs!
by moose97 on Sep 1, 2008 7:59 PM CDT 0 recs
+1
The only guy who really looks like he needs a day off is Soriano. That, I might consider doing.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 1, 2008 8:01 PM CDT
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Agree
No need to rest the starters all at once at this point.
by Carolina Cubbie on
Sep 1, 2008 8:03 PM CDT
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With the
off days upcoming, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some starters get the day before/after off days to give them two days in a row off. Now that I can support…
Moose
Hubbs!


