Baseball 101: Cubs 3, Cardinals 4
Lou Piniella got outmanaged last night, and I'm not real happy about that.
Answer this question: why would you, in the eighth inning of a tie game, have one of your best RBI men bunt? Maybe this question should be asked first, and don't look it up before you answer: how many sacrifice bunts did Geovany Soto have in his major league career before last night?
The answer is zero, and it's still zero after he bunted too hard and Ryan Franklin turned it into an easy double play, after Jim Edmonds had walked to lead off the inning and Felix Pie was sent in to pinch-run for him. Soto slammed the bat down in the dugout afterward (at least he didn't break any bones!); was that out of frustration at not being able to do the job, or disbelief that he was even asked? They couldn't believe it either in the Yahoo recap:
Top 8th: Chi Cubs
- J. Edmonds walked
- F. Pie ran for J. Edmonds
- G. Soto unknown into double play pitcher to shortstop to first, F. Pie out at second
- M. Fontenot grounded out to first
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors
Chi Cubs 3, St. Louis 3
"Unknown into double play". Yeah, that about sums up the Cubs' 4-3 loss to the Cardinals. It wasn't just Soto's DP -- Alfonso Soriano also hit into one in the 9th -- but it was also failure to capitalize on other opportunities; the Cubs could have put the game away in the first inning with some timely hitting, and again in the sixth when they had the bases loaded and one out.
Ryan Dempster threw well enough -- it's no shame to give up a HR to Albert Pujols, many have done this -- and it wouldn't have mattered if the Cubs had scored the six or seven runs they should have scored last night.
The other criticism I have of Lou last night is: why didn't he walk Cesar Izturis? In a situation like that, you almost have to load the bases to set up force plays at every base. Yes, I am well aware that Skip Schumaker, who was on deck, is a far better hitter than Izturis. But if you induce Schumaker to hit the same grounder that Izturis hit -- only have the bases loaded instead of runners on second and third -- well then, all Soto has to do is step on the plate instead of try a desperate swipe tag. In that situation I think an IBB is mandatory, no matter who the hitter is.
Here's what Lou said:"We're playing like we're waiting to get beat," the Cubs manager said after Tuesday's 4-3 loss to the St. Louis Cardinals. "You don't have a big enough lead in September to play ball like that. Teams who play baseball like that invariably get caught, no matter how big the lead."
Yeah, that includes you too, Lou. I like Lou -- he's been a godsend to this team -- but last night wasn't his finest hour.
This is a strange month. There are 13 teams within five games of a playoff spot -- quite a large number for this late in the year -- and only five of them have winning September records:
Astros: 7-1 Dodgers: 7-1 Red Sox: 6-2 Mets: 5-2 Cardinals: 4-3 Angels: 4-4 Phillies: 4-4 White Sox: 3-5 Twins: 2-5 Rays: 2-6 D'backs: 2-6 Brewers: 2-7 Cubs: 1-6
Yes, only the bad play in Milwaukee has saved the Cubs from a horrid fate so far this month. Thank you for the second night in a row to the Reds, who came back and beat Milwaukee 5-4 in 11 innings after blowing a 4-1 lead. They'll play a day game today, with CC Sabathia on the mound for the Brewers, so the Cubs will know exactly how they need to do to reduce the magic number further before they take the field tonight in St. Louis.
I received an email from a friend last night, someone who is an occasional poster at this site, which read in its entirety:
Just shoot me now, it'll be less painful.
When I emailed him back to tell him I was going to post this -- and he can identify himself if he wants to, I won't -- he replied:
I still believe, but I'm taking Prilosec and buying a defibrillator off ebay.
I think we all need those. As ever, win tonight and the ship will begin to right itself.
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Yes, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing with Soto bunting, I was yelling at Lou through my TV.
by adam316 on Sep 10, 2008 8:26 AM CDT 0 recs
Maybe Lou....
found an old copy of the Don Baylor strategy manual.
by perseman on Sep 10, 2008 8:29 AM CDT 0 recs
That's the only thing that would explain it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 10, 2008 8:30 AM CDT
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I couldn't believe they tried a bunt with Soto up...
I think the Cards were surprised too as they had a 1st pitch pitch out. You basically wasted a pinch runner in Pie… Why not try a straight seal or a hit and run. I thought it was ridiculous… and then the same thing happens in the 9th yet he doesn’t try to bunt with Sori? Why the double standard?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Sep 10, 2008 8:44 AM CDT
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I agree
you have your fastest base runner on first, you have to let him steal 2nd and THEN maybe bunt him over to third. Plus, Soto looked like he was seeing the ball very well last night, let him take some rips up there. Lou is very frustrating at times when he does this stupid shit.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Sep 10, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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I was thinking hit and run, too.
I’ll give credit to Molina, so I didn’t think a straight steal was the best of ideas. But Soto can handle the bat, and since he was 2-for-3 coming in, why not let him swing? The hit and run puts more pressure on the defense, too, than does the sacrifice.
Oh well, hindsight is 20/20 I suppose. Gotta let this one go before tonight’s game.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 10, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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I think the straight steal was taken away...
…by the fact that Ryan Franklin made FIVE pickoff throws plus a pitchout during Soto’s at-bat. He just did too good a job keeping Felix close. The hit and run was more than likely the best option.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 10, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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When the count got to be 2-2...
a straight steal could have worked. The pitcher was probably going to throw it in a tough location. But like I said above a hit and run, I think would have been the proper move. If you don’t try that, then try the straight steal. The bunt was probably the worst move you could do there because Soto never has and he doesn’t have good speed, so anything less than a perfect bunt by him is probably a dp.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Sep 10, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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Aluminum Bats: Death of the Bunt?
Because of aluminum bats in use in amateur baseball, bunts aren’t as common as they used to be. It’s harder to bunt with an aluminum bat than a wooden bat. It’s hard to expect professional players to be able to bunt when they haven’t done it very much at all in amateur ball.
Because the game is more offensively minded now than it was back in the 1980’s, managers don’t believe in giving up outs to move runners over nearly as often now. Why ask a hitter who can’t bunt to bunt?
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
Sep 10, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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I don't buy this excuse....
…if you have the talent to be a decent hitter, you certainly should be able to be a good bunter, because it is a hell of a lot easier.
The problem is this, no one spends the time on bunting skills and it really doesn’t eat up a lot of time to be a decent bunter. It’s attitude and a little practice, but few if any teams follow through on this.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 10, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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this post reminds of of Sandberg’s HOF speech!
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go!
Hey Chicago what do you say,
The Cubs are gonna win today!
by revtrh on
Sep 10, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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I am officially heading toward the ledge
I’ve managed to stay off it over the past week and a half, and remain optimistic, but two games in a row like that (even separated by an off-day) has just been too much. The only thing that is saving me from completely going over is the fact that the Brewers seem intent on matching the Cubs ineptitude.
by SuperContext on Sep 10, 2008 8:31 AM CDT 0 recs
This team is failing in every aspect right now.
Now even Marmol is blowing games. Yeah, I know it all comes down to timely hitting, but each loss is more painful than the last, and for different reasons. They are playing two hot teams right now. If they lose 4-5 out of six with the Cardinals and Astros, this team won’t even make the playoffs. The schedule is just too tough the rest of the way.
This is just not the team I’ve been watching all year.
by Mapmaker on Sep 10, 2008 8:32 AM CDT 0 recs
That wasn't Marmol's fault.
Well, partly it was for the balk, but I put that at least partly on Lou.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 10, 2008 8:38 AM CDT
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I think the balk was meaningless because Mármol walked the next batter.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 10, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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True enough.
But I still don’t think it was “Marmol blowing the game”.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 10, 2008 8:40 AM CDT
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He is a one inning pitcher
He did his job, Lou should have replaced him in the 9th, not sure with who.
by JPetey on
Sep 10, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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There is some evidence
that was brought up a while ago on this site that Marmol struggles in his second inning of work
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Sep 10, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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Marmol couldn't have thrown more than 10 pitches in the 8th inning.
He was the right choice to start the 9th.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 10, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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He threw exactly 10 in 8th
He just doesn’t seem to have the control he normally has after he rests in between innings
by JPetey on
Sep 10, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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Outside of the walk....
He was okay.
The pitch location to Yadir was bad. You could tell he was trying to go the other way by the first foul…Should have pitched him inside
The swing checked swing bunt by Cesar was just luck.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on
Sep 10, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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Marmol didnt pitch bad
The Cards executed perfectly to get the lead run on, moved over and across.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on
Sep 10, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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I dont agree
why pitch him til his arm falls off??
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on
Sep 10, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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Maybe the loss was more of a team effort
Be he didn’t exactly get his job done
Molina singled to right.
Ryan pinch-running for Molina. On Marmol’s balk, Ryan to second.
Lopez walked on a full count. Barden pinch-hitting for Perez. Barden sacrificed, third baseman Ramirez to second baseman DeRosa, Ryan to third, Lopez to second.
Izturis safe on failed fielder’s choice, Ryan scored, Lopez to third.
by Mapmaker on
Sep 10, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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Don't be too sure they won't make it anyway
Starting tomorrow, the Phillies and Brewers play each other 4 times. Arroyo, the Reds hottest pitcher, starts against Sabathia today.
It’s not out of the realm of possibility that the Cubs could go 2-3 the rest of the trip and still see the magic number for the division reduced by 4 or 5. However, I’d bet that they win at least 3.
I think Piniella’s made some bad decisions this month, but I think the senile old man act is just that. The players have pride, too — now we’ll see how they respond.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 10, 2008 8:41 AM CDT
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I hope you're right
The funny thing is, I’m more worrieed about the Astros than anybody else. They’ve made miraculous runs in the past and they really took it to us the last series
by Mapmaker on
Sep 10, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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Which is amazing because of how banged up they are...
Hopefully, just as hot as they’ve been they hit their losing streak.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Sep 10, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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Look at what the Reds are doing to the Brewers
and I don’t recognize hardly anybody left on that team
by Mapmaker on
Sep 10, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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I'm interested to see how the Cubs respond this weekend to last week's sweep
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 10, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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IIRC
this is the second time already this month that we have had reason to question Lou’s managerial decisions. He is having mental lapses under the pressure, just like our hitters are having lapses as well at the plate.
We will right this ship, we are too good of a team not to (despite recent play). Hopefully it will start tonight.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 10, 2008 8:32 AM CDT 0 recs
And I also wonder
If Lou’s age is starting to show. I don’t remember him making such lousy decisions in close games earlier this season, or last year. Lately I am seriously wondering what in the hell Lou is thinking anymore.
by adam316 on
Sep 10, 2008 8:36 AM CDT
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What I wonder is whether this kind of decisions cost Seattle the title...
when Lou was the manager and they had the best record in baseball during the regular season. In a short series these decisions make you go home early. Like yanking your ace pitcher too early. Wait, that was last year in the playoffs, with the Cubs.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 10, 2008 8:42 AM CDT
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The weird thing is...
… that in the 2000 division series that Lou’s Mariners played vs. the White Sox, he outmanaged Jerry Manuel. OK, so maybe that isn’t that hard, but I hope Lou hasn’t forgotten how to do that in the 8 years since then.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 10, 2008 8:43 AM CDT
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I don't think he has. Hopefully.
FWIW, I think Lou generally outmanages LaRussa, just had some brain farts last night.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 10, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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So, they would have won had Zambrano stayed in?
IIRC, the Cubs scored 0 runs. Doesn’t matter who is pitching for you if you don’t score.
How’d the Reds do in 1990?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 10, 2008 8:44 AM CDT
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Keep the game close, especially if you haven't scored yet.
True, Lou does a good job most of the time, including with the Reds in the 1990 World Series. But a losing streak affects everyone’s psyche and the manager has to rise to the occassion. Lou didn’t have to face that situation in the 1990 postseason and I hope he doesn’t have to this year either.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 10, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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I do agree that he's made questionable moves
And I didn’t mean for my post to sound the way it does to me reading it again — but I don’t blame Lou for game 1 of the NLDS. I blame the offense — same as last night, actually.
The bunt with Soto was stupid, but it never should have come to that.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 10, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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I agree.
And don’t worry. There was nothing wrong with your post. I think we both agree that a manager’s talent is more important when a team is struggling.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 10, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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Lou should have pulled Z
for a pinch hitter in that game. He let him hit, then put Marmol in the next inning anyway, I still can’t figure that one out.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on
Sep 10, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Spot on with the comments on the bunting
Lou is having a bad month, too. Maybe he should visit Eagle River for a few days to clear his head.
I keed, I keed.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 10, 2008 8:33 AM CDT 0 recs
Ways to get into the 2nd season
You can
Hold serve and get what you earned all season
Play your way in
Back in
Just get in !!!
Thank god for not loosing major ground
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Sep 10, 2008 8:34 AM CDT 0 recs
The logical thing to do in the Soto Situation
Was to try the Hit and Run. It would have gotten the infield moving around and if Soto swings and misses, Pie has enough speed to swipe the bag…
While the bunt was stupid, it was even more stupid to leave the bunt call on when the count got to 2-1. It was the perfect pitch to hit and run.
They are playing scared and now Lou has cracked in the Media. The rant he went on to the Media should have been said in the clubhouse to the team and not to the general public…
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Sep 10, 2008 8:34 AM CDT 0 recs
Tend to agree...
…I would have liked to see a hit & run (or even a run & hit) on the 2-1 count. When a team is struggling offensively, sometimes you need to push the envelope and make something happen.
The club is very tight right now (no shit, huh?) and like Lou said last night, you need to keep being aggressive and the bunt was just the opposite.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 10, 2008 8:41 AM CDT
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they threw 5 pick off attempts during Soto's AB
Maybe Lou’s lack of trust in Pie played a role in it.
by JPetey on
Sep 10, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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I was listening to the game on the radio on my patio....
…The bunt attempt by Soto was so dumbfounding that I ran inside to see the replay on TV so that I could actually try and believe that it really happened.
I mean I am still nearly speechless Lou had Soto attempt to bunt in that or ANY situation
Lou can get angry all he wants, last night he was just as culpable as the players
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on Sep 10, 2008 8:34 AM CDT 0 recs
Lou
Never sensed he was a rocket scientist from the begining.
Prehaps he and Soriano should of drove back to the team hotel together
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Sep 10, 2008 8:37 AM CDT 0 recs
A loud standing ovation to you, Al.
Lou underestimated Izturis and lost the game as a result. Lou was playing for a one road lead on the road. Bunting with the hitter of the month? Are you sure Dusty stayed with the Reds this week?
When a team is struggling, the manager’s role is more important than ever. Put the team in a posiyion to win. If they don’t, then the manager is in a position to scold them. Otherwise, zip it, Lou.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 10, 2008 8:37 AM CDT 0 recs
Missed opportunities for sure
It was great you posted the Sept. records of NL contenders, because I was just thinking how it seemed that most of them (outside of HOU and LAD) were playing mediocre to downright awful baseball in September. Last night’s missed opportunities could be applied to the team’s record a as whole – we could be 7-8 games up right now and sitting pretty.
Right now Houston is probably the best team in the division based on the way they are playing and confidence. If they take care of the Cubs this weekend it is not unrealistic that they could pass us – and pass the Brewers too!
And I’m less furious about whether or not Soto was asked to bunt – how about being furious that the players are not executing offensively? STL executed, we did not. We did not start runners and hit into 2 deflating GIDP. Other than a few decent outings by starters during this streak (Dempster, Marshall, Marquis) every other part of the team is not functioning.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Sep 10, 2008 8:38 AM CDT 0 recs
keep in mind
3 out of STL’s 4 runs came from a HR. The 4th was a lucky half-bunt.
Our three runs came from driving baserunners in.
It’s not as clear as you make it out to be.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on
Sep 10, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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Al i am thinking...
you need to change the pregame thread around a little – do something that might change the mojo. Or even change the magic number – no dont eliminate it but rather put it upside down or something.
Sorry i am superstitious.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Sep 10, 2008 8:40 AM CDT 0 recs
Yeah, so am I.
Let me see what I can work on for the pregame thread this afternoon.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 10, 2008 8:40 AM CDT
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mag #
get rid of the number and just put the random person’s name…those who want to look can figure it out.. ??!?!?
I'm a reader not a poster, but I'm also a poster so don't get any ideas.
by cozmotaylor123 on
Sep 10, 2008 8:44 AM CDT
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yeabutt....
the magic number continues to go down…that hasnt been the problem.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
Sep 10, 2008 8:45 AM CDT
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That's a good idea - post it upside down until we win 2 in a row
Just so we all know things are still ‘not right’ – not by a longshot…
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on
Sep 10, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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Here they are
Playoffs: 11
Division: 14
McCain / Palin: The POW / WOW! Ticket
by Goat Whisperer on
Sep 10, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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Took this picture at a football game a couple weeks ago...
It was funny at the time… now, not so much…

by hokie316 on Sep 10, 2008 8:40 AM CDT 0 recs
was that where the line formed
following the East Carolina game?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 10, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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Pretty much...
although ECU seems to be on their way to having a great season. VT will struggle this year, and I think I knew that going in… just didn’t want to admit it to myself.
by hokie316 on
Sep 10, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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It's ok.
the entire conference is down this year. As a BC alum, it was tough to watch us blow a 6-point lead at home on Saturday.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 10, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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Wasn't that loss to another ACC team?
Just sayin’…
by Clutch16 on
Sep 10, 2008 1:07 PM CDT
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Yeah, to the triple-option Georgia Tech team.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 10, 2008 1:09 PM CDT
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Al I agree 100%.
Lou looks like he is sitting around waiting to lose/
by Rick B on Sep 10, 2008 8:40 AM CDT 0 recs
Dick Jauron of baseball?
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on
Sep 10, 2008 8:42 AM CDT
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Excuse my baseball ignorance but....
Would it have been wrong to walk Pujols before his HR? I know it loads the bases at that point but I would rather face anyone on the Cards other than Pujols.
Also, I would much rather watch the garbage now instead of in a few weeks. At least we have time to right the ship.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on Sep 10, 2008 8:41 AM CDT 0 recs
In that situation...
…I think most managers would have pitched to Pujols.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 10, 2008 8:43 AM CDT
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Maybe if it's the 8th or 9th you walk Pujols...
… not in the 6th with a 3-0 lead.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 10, 2008 8:44 AM CDT
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Correct
n/t
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 10, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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BUT
That pitch was a little too good to start the at bat. IMHO.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Sep 10, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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Thats on Dempster
n/t
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel


