Felix Pie...
Obviously there has been debate about the ability/effectiveness of Felix Pie and today he played well... I've always been a big fan of Pie, so it was no surprise that Pie looked like a capable major league outfielder. That being said, I know that this site was fairly split when it came to Pie, so I figured it was time for discussion in its own thread, despite the fact that this has been a topic in various threads this year... and discuss...
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Today
He played like we all hoped he would… I’d like to think he gets a few more starts… Im curious to see what the rest of you think
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 11, 2008 12:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Pie comes in and becomes a spark in a position that we are now lacking production
THAN SUPER Soto was the spark down the stretch and he could be a turnaround player for his budding career and the club. Edmonds has done well for the most part until the last 15 days.
Just sit back and see if Pie can prove himself—-if he does well great.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Sep 11, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ a billion
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 11, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
discuss what?
1 game? Laughable. It’s no secret to many on this board about my feelings about Felix and my opinion of what his future in this league will be, but either way, whether he went 5-5 or 05 0-5, it’s silly to even “discuss”.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Sep 11, 2008 12:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its silly...
to discuss a member of the team? Really?
To be honest, if he’d have gone 0-for-5 he’d have been burried within this message board and with most Cubs fans.
See: Casey McGahee.
Pie looked good and it deserves discussion. At the least, he earned another start.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 11, 2008 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it's MeGehee.
and yes, it’s silly to discuss a player on 1 game, period.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Sep 11, 2008 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then why did you post here?
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on Sep 11, 2008 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its silly
To express such hostility when you can hide behind the curtain of your computer monitor. If you focused 10% of your energy on making well thought out and respectful comments, rather than short and sharp remarks, you would probably have good points that are taken seriously.
by StevenABQ on Sep 11, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This from the guy who told us that the Diamondbacks were the team to beat this year.
I think back in April you basically conceeded the pennant to them, didn’t you?
by cwyers on Sep 11, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh nice touch cryer
if I didn’t forget everything you ever said, I might disparage you as well, but fortunately for me, I have a selective memory when it comes to someone who has never played the game in his life.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Sep 11, 2008 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
You sound as if it’s an impossibility that the DBacks won’t beat the Cubs. Still many, many games to play son, you should know that.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Sep 11, 2008 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you say that the Cubs were out of it in May?
That this was a mediocre team at best?
Yes, I know, the whole selective memory thing will be applied. However, I don’t make as asinine comments as yourself to warrant standing out from shear stupidity.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Sep 11, 2008 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cryer?
This team was mediocre in May and unless it wins the World Series, will reamain forever, mediocre.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Sep 11, 2008 5:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, IF this team wins the division
it will be mediocre? So mediocre teams win divisions? Mediocre teams have the third best win percentage in baseball?
Hmm… I would say that is indicative of GOOD teams.
"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion
by DTJchris on Sep 11, 2008 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's an awfully wide definintion
of “mediocre”.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 11, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what?
The Cubs went 18-11 in May – that’s a .621 winning percentage. Their runs scored to runs allowed ratio was 148:109. What are you talking about?
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but we've played a lot more games than we have left...
…and the Diamondbacks have a losing record.
And I love how you presume that just because you and I disagree on so much that I’ve never played the game in my life.
by cwyers on Sep 11, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly! If you haven't played the game you just can't understand it
That’s why John Kruk obviously knows so much more about baseball than Bill James.
by Wreckard on Sep 11, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehehe
that sarcasm, that’s funny stuff
by philadelphiacub on Sep 11, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hogwash.
He came up and in ONE GAME, had an impact. Timely hitting, an excellent eye for two walks, good defense in the outfield. I wish Lou had had him run more on the bases, but maybe that’s for today.
He should DEFINITELY get the start today.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 11, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay discuss all you want
but no one is going to be convinced either way…i think 50 percent of the people here think felix is a great addition to the expanded roster and will help out in certain situations
25 percent will say he will never do any good and will never give him do credit for anything he does well
the last 25 percent will say he is a rising star and deserves more starts and won’t look beyond his faults
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 11, 2008 1:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd still rather have Reed Johnson out there...
Good game last night by Felix, though.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Sep 11, 2008 6:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pie looked good...
but it was just one game. Really doesn’t matter until we have a larger sample size, but then again, what are the chances of that happening? Wish he would have run on Larue at some point in the evening after Molina went down, but he played well and deserves another couple spot starts.
Still, no reason to get too excited. 1 game.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Sep 11, 2008 7:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was one...
…who agreed with Lou’s decision to not play him more early in the season, because he obviously felt he wasn’t ready. I also predicted yesterday, that Pie would be in the starting lineup, because I thought Piniella would be looking to inject some energy and also knowing Pie would be eager to succeed.
You never know when a young player has made that next step to becoming an everday player. I hope Pie makes it difficult for Piniella to not give him more opportunties, because I love the speed he brings to the offense. Time and a few more AB’s will tell more about where Pie is at in regards to making the adjustments from where he was at beflore, but I was thrilled to see him be an impact last night.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 11, 2008 7:35 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Both themes in this post are correct: he looked good last night. Maybe he can build on that. But it is far too early to make any judgments based on one game.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 11, 2008 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
each game at a time
that is all anyone asks
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Sep 11, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he certainly looked
like he had a little better idea about how to approach each at bat. ….instead of just grip it and rip it.
by MOCubsfan on Sep 11, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he continues to make adjustments
I think he’ll see more playing time. That opposite-field single last night was exactly what the Cubs needed at the time, and have needed during this skid. If his swing gets ‘long’ again, then it will be time to sit him down.
Hopefully he’s learned his lessons while in Iowa, and he will have an impact down the stretch, just as Soto did last year.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 11, 2008 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said
Pretty much what I thought last night. If he continues to show patience and an ability to take what is given, he’ll get chances.
Same could be said of his entire career, but who knows when/if it kicks in for the kid.
As I said in game thread, for all the garbage he gets (some from me), I gotta give the kid credit for doing the right things…especially in a week when so few on the team are patient or looking to go the other way.
by JCD on Sep 11, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so...
…and like I said, you just never know when the light bulb will go on for certain players and it would be great if Felix has had that happen.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 11, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the light went on
that would be great. As much as the Edmonds/Johnson platoon has worked, for the long-term stability of the position, it would be great to see Felix find some success and confidence, starting with yesterday’s game.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 11, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, good call yesterday...
…on Pie being in the starting lineup. I doubted the prediction and it came to pass. It turned out to be the right move.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
this discussion is pretty much pointless. Those who hate him, hate him. Those who love him, love him. Those like me think, I sure hope he CAn figure it all out cause he has a lot of talent and it would be a waste not to find a way for him to play at this level. Good play last night IMO. Keep it up Felix.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 11, 2008 7:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thought I would do you all a favor
and not create a new fanpost for this comment and/or discussion.
There have been statements about the Brewers here and there but the way I see it, the Cubs and the Brewers are the same exact team. They both have potent offenses that have been fairly weak as of late. they both have bullpens that have their strengths and weaknesses but lately have been asleep. They both pulled out wind last night when they really had to but they both look like teams that are scraping by.
This scares me because even if things stay exactly the same from here on out and the Cubs win the division (and best case scenario knock the Brewers out with a solid performance in MIL in a couple weeks), this team has nothing behind it. Here’s what I mean…
On a night when we all watched a spectacular perfoemance by Lilly, we watched a fairly stagnant offense scrape by on poor defense and errors. Then we watched our trusty closer make this game much closer than it had to be.
Before you say this, I am not “on the ledge” and I am not nay saying. I am simply pointing out that this team does not strike me as one that will advance beyond stage one of the postseason.
PLEASE GOD…LET ME BE WRONG. CROW WOULD NEVER TASTE SO DAMN SWEET!
Just my thoughts.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 11, 2008 8:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Obvious answer....
….if the Cubs play in October the way they have in the last 2 weeks, your fears are right on. If they play in October the way they did for the first 19 weeks, your fears will be completely unwarranted.
So, lets see which team shows up for October.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 11, 2008 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are the same except
On defense. Yes the Cubs have been shaky lately but for the most part this year they have been one of the best I feel. That’s the difference.
And the Bullpen. Yes the Cubs have been shaky lately but the Brewers bull pen has been BAD ALL YEAR. Don’t let 2 weeks fool you.
by niuhuskie224 on Sep 11, 2008 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs don't rely on the homerun either...
These teams are really different in my book. Just because they win and lose games at the same time doesn’t make them similar. One team is almost 30 games over and the other is 20 games over.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Sep 11, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is fortunate, because we don't hit them!
In the spirit of this FanPost, however, I remain excited about Felix Pie, and it was obviously fun to see him lay off some close pitches for walks.
In Pie’s defense, he got rung up on some of those borderline pitches earlier this year.
I think that we need him for the playoff roster, as an OF defense replacement and a pinch runner. He can take Howry’s place.
by D98 on Sep 11, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have a much deeper bench
This is why they have been such a good team. Even when someone is injured, you have a player who could probably start on a lot of other teams.
As for their recently struggles, it seems like once they get a few runs, everybody gets less patient and isn’t willing to battle as much, and that lets the other team back in it.
by dr stabbingworth on Sep 11, 2008 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure but when you put it that way
you expect that it is simple for the players to grasp this idea and act on it. Even after Lou’s tirade, they came out playing solid ball but let up somewhat. As for DLee, I cannot take his lack of production much longer. He is the “anti-clutch” if you ask me.
This is one of the things killing this teams hopes of success IMO. I love the guy’s defense but everyone claimed Theriot’s BA is empty, I say DLee gives him some serious competition in this category.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 11, 2008 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot's AVG is pretty empty.
Of course, that’s what he’s paid to do. Get on base at or near a .400 clip, and score as many runs as possible with the big bats coming up next.
I agree completely about Lee’s empty batting average – it’s been a very poor season for him. His SLG is way down – and he’s being paid for his power. His stats with RISP and 2 outs are eye-poppingly bad.
A couple of October HR, and all is forgiven. But I’m not expecting it – and I’ll bet that the front office already has plans to make a change at 1B in the near future.
by D98 on Sep 11, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you may be right..
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 11, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh the bench thing is spot on.
It’s almost like a gamble though cause sometimes, if you pick the right bench guy to spot start, you hit the jackpot, other times, you crap out.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 11, 2008 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This doesn't matter anyway
Because no matter how well Pie plays, unless Edmonds, Dome, Reed or Sori get hurt, he isn’t going to be on the playoff roster.
Speaking of which, is there anyone that should be left off that you think will make it anyway?
by niuhuskie224 on Sep 11, 2008 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Howry isn’t going. Pie is. IMO.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 11, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely.
Marquis will take Howry’s spot in the bullpen. Pie will take Howry’s spot on the playoff roster.
by D98 on Sep 11, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howry is one of Lou's boys.
I will be very surprised if Howry is not on the post-season roster.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Sep 11, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen Howry recently
Maybe the light finally went on in Lou’s head. Besides, in a short series, Howry is pretty redundant.
by dr stabbingworth on Sep 11, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean....he's in....Lou's.....
doghouse!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 11, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's an internet
doghouse. :P
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 11, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He meant to post this..

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For this you so
deserve to be elected.
by sue369 on Sep 11, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Together...we can make the difference!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just joined the Chicks and Beer Party
Sorry, But I still might vote for you.
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Sep 11, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that that party is filled with a bunch of boobs.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 11, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too early to tell...
…if Pie is ready to be on a playoff roster. The first game was nice and I would love to see him play well enouph to be on the playoff roster (with his speed and defense). But calling this after one game is a little premature.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 11, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
I was at the game last night and I could not believe what I saw. Pie walked twice against lefties. He has like a .109 average with a .148 OBP against lefties lifetime going into the game.
by CubFaninStLouis on Sep 11, 2008 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pie was definitely the right call
This team needed a spark and he brought just that. Also, I forgot how speedy he is in the outfield. He was so quick to grab Pujols’ double in the 9th. I’m not so sure he won’t make a playoff roster. I’m not his biggest fan, but this team looks so sluggish, Pie might be just the right remedy.
by mgfabc on Sep 11, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I will trust the Edmonds/Johnson platoon in a playoff situation
more than I ever will with Felix Pie .. He’s on the short leash and after one game, he passes muster.
But it’s only one game. I have always liked Felix and always hoped he’ll come around, but I am all for keeping him snug on the bench during the next month or so for spot starts and pinch running, saving ballgame and Reedo for pinch hitting if he’s chosen to start.
FeliX is that .. an X factor .. no more at this point ..
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Sep 11, 2008 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what Al wrote...
…in his recap and what several others have written here. Pie had a good game, but it was just one game and it’s still too early to get too excited. Nonetheless, I was very happy to see him HIT MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHING in his first at-bat, and I hope that he can continute to build on his good performance last night.
Do I think Lou should suddenly start playing Felix everyday? Of course not. My impression is that Lou is going to mix and match him in – giving him a start here or there but mainly using him as a defensive replacement and pinch runner. And, ultimately, that may be what’s best for Felix – he gets some low-pressure playing time that showcases his strengths.
Finally, at the risk of speaking for others, I feel the need to reiterate that many of us who support Felix (and I prefer the term “support” over "love") simply feel that he’s a young player chock full o’ talent who doesn’t deserve to be written off as a bust before he gets a fair shot at proving he can be productive – in one way or another – at the major league level. No one is saying he’s a guaranteed All Star, but not every player’s development follows the same path. We just want to see what Felix can do.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 8:57 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
One thing to remember is how Lou handled Geo last year in September.
Geo came up in September and had a chance to play when Jason Kendall was slumping and grabbed onto the starting catcher job. He played so well, he started the first 2 games of the division series. (and hit the only home run for the Cubs.)
Pie was given a chance last night and played well, and most likely earned another start. It’s up to Felix how much playing time he gets the rest of the month. His play will dictate whether or not he is in the lineup and on the playoff roster.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 11, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
I refuse to believe Braden Looper, Flores, and Villone qualify as MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHING. If there is one thing a certain someone on BCB has taught me, it’s that Pie CANNOT hit MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHING. So, obviously, they must not be MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHING. Or he isn’t really Felix Pie. One of the two.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Sep 11, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, and if BCB has taught me anything...
…it’s that anyone not named Rich Harden is NOT a major league pitcher. They are all just pretenders to the throne.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
I’m waiting to see how Lou plays or does not play Pie. Just a few days ago, Al had reason to believe Lou didn’t want Felix at all. He may still not want Felix to play. Felix got a shot against a pitcher who has struggled v. LHB during a stretch when the Cubs hitters were not getting it done. We’ll see if he gets another shot.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Sep 11, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, thanks!
And if anyone else wants to rec my post, please feel free. I’m not trying to be arrogant or anything here, I’ve just always wanted to see one of my posts turn green. It’s the little things, people.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES!!! MY POST IS GREEN! IT'S GREEN!

THE HILLS ARE ALIVE….WITH THE SOUND OF MUUUUUUUUUUSIC!!!!
Thank you to everyone who made this possible! A dream fulfilled!
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are nuts man. Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 11, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Purple, green and red.
And Lucy is in it…with diamonds.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy it man.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 11, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my favorite movies...
..and my Mothers favorite ever. Is it weird to love this movie?
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Sep 11, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be breaking a manlaw or two, but I won't report you.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 12, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always liked Pie...
If he plays well, then put him out there and let him perform. If he struggles, then he’s a defensive replacement/pinch runner only. At this point in the season, you play whoever is producing.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Sep 11, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They bought their tickets; they knew the risks...
I say, let em die.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 11, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like you're talkin' about the Astros series.
C’mon, people, it’s just a joke.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, Jimmy, let's get some pictures...
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 11, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naked Gun?
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Airplane
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 11, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit. I was close.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 12, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have liked Pie from the start
and I like a lot of other players, but production is the key, no matter how much I like them. If Lou saw or felt something that he didn’t like about Pie early on and sent him down to get squared away, that’s what’s supposed to happen. If Pie works hard, and earns a spot on the big club again, that’s what’s supposed to happen as well. I hope Pie has gotten his act together because he can be a solid fielder and an offensive threat for years.
Getting Reed and Jimmy have been great, but arguably, Pie is the future, if he’s producing to his potential.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Sep 11, 2008 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree 1 game isn't even close to enough to judge him by...
But does anyone think we might have heard multiple “I told you so’s” if Pie had gone 0-4 with a couple K’s, even though it would still qualify as a minute sample?
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Sep 11, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We would certainly have heard one "I told you so" in particular.
I’m still waiting for him to rear his ugly head here.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like the vampire...
…he hides in the shadows, never venturing out into anywhere illuminated by the light of truth.
by cwyers on Sep 11, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He certainly does "suck"...
blood.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 11, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew that would get him out of the shadows..
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 11, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the Pie lovers have vindicated by a ONE GAME PERFORMANCE?!?!
This isn't 1969...is this 1969?...this isn't 1969, is it?
by MDBNIU on Sep 11, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There he is folks.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
by Archie on Sep 11, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you haven't actually read any of these posts?!?!
No one has said anything other than he had a good game, and they hope he can build on that success.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bar was set low
when Pie was written off earlier in the season after a 4 games. Hello, goose, meet the gander.
But, seriously, SWL is right – the theme of the posts here have been – wait and see, but as we wait, it sure was nice to see a nice night from Felix.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Sep 11, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said he wouldn't even play a game.
First you said he wouldn’t be on the roster. Then you said he wasn’t called up to do any hitting. He started a game. Maybe we’re not vindicated, but you’re sure as hell wrong.
by cwyers on Sep 11, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
THAT
is how you come in and acknowledge your shortcomings?
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 11, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be a man dude
say something like. “Okay maybe I jumped the gun but I don’t think it will continue”.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 11, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1....that is all it would take to get a little respect.
…Humility Blue Mike, try it sometime.
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on Sep 11, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, yes. What took you so long, BlueMike?
And in true troll fashion, he ignores the fact that NO ONE said Pie was vindicated, puts up an inflammatory strawman argument and goes to work disrupting intelligent discussion. You never fail to disappoint, my friend!
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! How about some Pie!
CROW PIE, YOU ARROGANT….
Ahem. Please look at the pretty picture.

FIRST AT BAT he HITS MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHING and DRIVES IN THE TYEING RBI!
Want a shovel? There’s this pile of sand, see, and we hear YOU hold the final destination WITHIN.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 11, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your premature speculations
are getting a little embarrassing.
by sue369 on Sep 11, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
Being a Pie basher in the past I’ll give him credit where credit’s due.He had a nice game last night. I thought prior to seeing the lineup that I hoped Lou would give him a couple games and give the struggling Jim Edmonds a few days of rest. I guess the question is……..what if Pie continues to play well? Can he be on the playoff roster? Stranger things have happened. We all know Lou will want to play the hot hand!
by plenz on Sep 11, 2008 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is not necessarily true when it comes to Felix.
From April 21-24, Felix had really turned things around and was one of the Cubs’ hottest hitters, but then he was benched and didn’t start another game for 5 days, a game from which he was lifted in the 6th.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Sep 11, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie is young
He played really well last night and obviously has plenty of room to improve as he has plenty of talent to be used…. you never know when a young player like Pie goes from being a catepiller to a butterfly… I mean look at Theriot (I know I know… apply all your hate to the OBP machine here) and fontenot and how they improved, how about Rick Ankiel for the cards… noone thought he was going to do anything after he threw the ball at the backstop 34234 times, but now look at him…. this could be potentially HUGE to this franchise to close out this year if Pie starts playing up to his potential a little bit… and his speed is essential
"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Sep 11, 2008 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Felix Pie isn't major league material
He will eternally struggle to hit even .240 in this league. Even if he faces strictly right-handed pitching. Next year at this time he will either be wrapping up his 4th consecutive season at Triple A Iowa or doing same for the Washington Nationals or some such other bottom feeder organization.
This isn't 1969...is this 1969?...this isn't 1969, is it?
by MDBNIU on Sep 11, 2008 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Epic Fail.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 11, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was he trying to write,
“Soto”?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Sep 12, 2008 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you
keep embarrassing yourself like this?
by sue369 on Sep 11, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to debate Felix Pie any longer
Fact is my view of Felix Pie has been proven multiple times to be true. He’s not going to hit major league pitching and therefore has zero future with the Cubs. Pie’s destiny is to bounce around from club to club ala Alex Escobar and Ruben Mateo, two other toolsy can’t miss prospects from the Dominican who had fundamental inability to hit their way out of a paper bag.
The onus is on his supporters. End of subject.
This isn't 1969...is this 1969?...this isn't 1969, is it?
by MDBNIU on Sep 11, 2008 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You will make your next Felix Pie comment in less than 48 hours.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vindication is a bitch my friend...
This isn't 1969...is this 1969?...this isn't 1969, is it?
by MDBNIU on Sep 11, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I was thinking someone else was the bitch here...
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 11, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're funny
Keep it up MDBNIU.
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Sep 11, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you base that...
…on purely the past, I would agree, but there are other factors here that need to be heeded:
Pie is a young player and sometimes these guys have “light bulb” moments that cause them to improve in short periods of time. Whether this has happened remains to be seen, but it is possible he can be a positive (and welcome) addition at this point. Also, Pie is probably the best baserunner on a club that has some speed, but is not loaded with baserunners with good instincts. This can be very important in low scoring playoff games. Also, Pie is also stellar defensively and that ain’t a bad thing.
I am rooting for the kid and I hope he has made strides. I had a feeling Lou would send him out there because he knew he had a clear head and would be eager to do well and interject some life into the club. I don’t know whether Pie can hit consitantly at this level, because he may start thinking too much (and that is what usually screws up young guys). Hopefully he has matured between the ears at the plate and can be an unanticipated impact for the stretch.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 11, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Sep 11, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure why you are debating with MDBNIU
you won’t ever change his mind.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 11, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the world must be kept safe from...
by cwyers on Sep 11, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nosferatu....he was really just misunderstood.
For example, the OPS metric was born out of the ideas in some of his early writings on baseball. True Story!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he play second base in college, too?
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks like...
…one of those goofy relief pitchers – that come from the port side.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 11, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Sep 12, 2008 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...he was an all-american at NIU for 8 consecutive years...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Would play only in night games.)
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NIU team was disbanded...
…following an unfortunate incident where the team was supposed to have traveled by ship to an exhibition match across Lake Michigan. Nosferatu, 2B was the only survivor.
by cwyers on Sep 11, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down....
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 11, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee...
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Sep 11, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lake, it is said,
never gives up her dead when the skies of November turn gloomy.
Far better to sing this than get into a debate…
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 11, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
over the eyebrows of Andy Rooney?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Superior it steams, like a young mans dreams.......
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 11, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and fire in the sky
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 11, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it Count Orlock?
Nosferatu is the Romanian word for “Vampire.”
"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot
by NittanyCub on Sep 11, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct, Sir.
OK, how many people on this blog own this obscure movie which is the first movie version of the Dracula thing?
It’s my most cherished possession, after my Ernie Banks miniature bat from 1963.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 11, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sport I think
same reason I go fly fishing even though I get skinked every time.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 11, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe this about as much as...
…I believed your phony resignation from the site a few weeks ago.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like he's got a Pie filter on his brain.
Did or did Felix Pie NOT get a hit yesterday?
Which pitcher was he facing?
What team is that pitcher on?
Is that team a Major League baseball team?
Did Felix Pie have a .750 OBP for yesterday’s game?
The “onus” isn’t on ANYTHING. He has DONE it. He will CONTINUE to DO it. You will CONTINUE to be an epic failure.
Enjoy being the laughing-stock. I’m certainly enjoying laughing AT you.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 11, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it would help...
…if he pounded sand up his onus.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 11, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One game doesn't mean much. In fact, Pie is the biggest disappointment...
…for the 2008 Cubs, well maybe Rich Hill ties with him?
I won’t get excited about Pie anymore until he’s doing it everyday.
by DudeVf11 on Sep 11, 2008 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense...
Because he’s been given, at most, how many starts in a row?
You expect a guy to perform when he’s never started more than 4-5-6 games in a row? Yeah, thats realistic…
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 12, 2008 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
You can’t really consider Pie a disappointment when he was never really given the opportunity to fully succeed or disappoint.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 12, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with you if he were a AA player called up for the first time.
But he’s not. He’s 23 with almost 250 MLB ABs and an abysmal record of performance. He has no patience and no power—that’s a pretty bad combination.
Expectations were high because of his minor league performance and his talent. He can certainly have a solid career and I am not giving up on him, nor am I suggesting that the Cubs give up on him, but I have seen enough to not get excited by one game’s performance.
Pie was expected to be the starting CF and showed nothing. If going back to AAA demoralized then perhaps he just expected his potential to carry him farther with the team than it did?
I think the potential for solid production is still there, it’s worth having him on the roster but eventually he has to produce something—so far he has shown nothing at the plate.
by DudeVf11 on Sep 12, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, a few things...
1. 23 isn’t really all that old.
2. Those almost 250 MLB ABs have been scattered over two seasons and very inconsistent playing time.
3. As this thread makes clear, no one is really arguing that anyone should get excited about Pie based on one game. That said, I don’t see how you can say he has no patience when he drew two walks on Wednesday night.
When all is said and done, it seems like the only disagreement here is about whether Felix should be labeled the “biggest disappointment” of ‘08. You’re obviously welcome to that opinion, but I don’t think he qualifies. Then again, maybe I’d be more apt to lean more in that direction if the Jedmonds/Johnson two-headed centerfielder platoon beast hadn’t been such a success.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 12, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest disappointment implies that expectations were high...
it doesn’t mean he has no future or that he cannot help the team now.
2 BBs in one game v. 250 MLB ABs and an awful OBP? I would encourage Pie to keep doing what he did in one game as he needs to do that repeatedly to help this team.
I wouldn’t argue with anyone who said Hill was a greater disappointment over Pie but so what? They were both expected to contribute significantly and they both ended up in the minors.
by DudeVf11 on Sep 12, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The blindness of Pie bashers is astounding.
1) Many top prospects take at least 250 MLB ABs to figure out ML pitching. The kinds who succeed from day one and don’t struggle at all in year one (e.g. Ryan Braun) are more rare than the kinds who put up ugly AVGs for a while until they figure it out (e.g. Evan Longoria).
2) No patience and no power? Are you serious? One of Pie’s problems early in the season was too much patience – he watched borderline pitches go by and was called out on strikes. You could argue he has immature plate discipline – and that I’d agree with, but then a) Pie is clearly trying to mature that plate discipline and b) while plate discipline is preferrable, other players have succeeded without it. If Felix Pie becomes a cheap, better running, better fielding Jacque Jones, that may frustrate Cub fans who want Curtis Granderson, but that’s still a successful farm development. As for the power – I really don’t know what player you are talking about. You can watch him or look at his stats and see power.
3) Given how long it took this guy to get going, how long is “enough” to be more pessimistic than optimistic on Pie? When are there enough MLB ABs that when predicting Pie’s future performance you start ignoring his minor league numbers? I agree there is a time, but even after the time you’d have written a guy off, sometimes you end up with a Ryan Ludwick who reminds you why he was a top prospect long ago. Is it relevant that Pie’s ML playing time has been as scattered as can be and under a manager who’s not supportive of his development? I think so.
4) If anything should have demoralized Felix, it wasn’t going back to AAA where he could actually play. What would demoralize any normal human being was his treatment at the big league leavel – getting a “chance” that lasted 4 days, getting hot and then being benched for a week, being benched against RHP when he was hitting better v. them than Reed Johnson (again, how can anyone believe Lou “plays the guys who hit”?).
Here’s where you and I completely agree: Pie has to produce. Here’s where my perspective is different than others – Pie has produced consistently in the minors and that should buy him time at the ML level. Lou may not like Pie’s swing, but dozens of scouts and people within the Cubs own organization disagree. I don’t think we’re anywhere close to having found out if Pie can produce at the ML level. When Pie was sent down, he and Evan Longoria had the same batting AVG. Look where Tampa’s greater wisdom led them.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Sep 13, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000
Extremely well said. He deserves another shot next year. At the very least, a Pie/Reed Johnson platoon might work quite well, not to mention providing excellent defense.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 13, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, but
my view is that there’s no point in trying to force Lou to play Pie again unless Lou is totally on board. And I really only see that being possible if two things hold – 1) the Cubs win the WS this year and 2) Lou doesn’t want to move Dome to CF.
1) If the Cubs don’t win this year, we will be all in to win next year and Pie is not an all-in move (even if he may be more likely to be more productive than some other free agent options).
2) Given his contract, Dome won’t sit starting next year. But if he doesn’t start hitting in the remainder of this year, I doubt Lou wants to play him in a corner, either.
That’s why MDBNIU is most likely right that the Cubs are done with Pie and will trade him in the off-season. But I have dreams of us winning this year and giving the young players a shot next year and doing what the Red Sox did – develop a dynasty that wins for several years to come. Fontenot, Cedeno, Pie, Samardzija – each could become an important part around the Soto Dynasty.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Sep 13, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
…Hill is a much bigger dissppointment than Pie.
Hill completely tanked after having some decent success and Pie never showed he could hit at this level consistantly.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 12, 2008 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
because he’s been given SO MANY CHANCES.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 12, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs




















