Keep It Going Thread: Cubs vs. Cardinals, Thursday 9/11, 7:15 CT
Chicago Cubs @ St. Louis Cardinals
As if the Cubs didn't have enough to worry about, possibly heading into a hurricane tomorrow in Houston, they'll very possibly have to dodge raindrops tonight in St. Louis:
This Afternoon: A 50 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 81. Light east wind.
Tonight: Showers and thunderstorms likely. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 69. Light southeast wind. Chance of precipitation is 70%.
We've been over this in several other threads, but I wanted to repeat my position: asking the Cubs to fly into Houston, either tonight, tomorrow or Saturday, in the face of evacuations, storm damage and power failures, is completely ridiculous. Friday's game has now been officially postponed, with no rescheduling yet announced.
I am well aware that the Astros stand to lose quite a bit of money if they don't play the games in Houston this weekend. It seems to me that MLB could make up the money to them somehow, and playing the games on a neutral site makes the most sense -- Atlanta, St. Louis, Milwaukee, anywhere but Houston. If they haven't made this decision by gametime tonight, let's hope they do the right thing before the Cubs leave St. Louis.
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A reminder, the above stats are for Harden with the Cubs only. See the pitcher box for his full season stats.
Rich Harden will be fine -- just fine. Yes, he hasn't thrown in 12 days -- but that's missing one start, even though Ted Lilly has started three times since then, due to having two off days in between. We knew he'd have to rest from time to time -- he's been handled the right way. He hasn't faced the Cardinals since 2004, and Adam Kennedy, who faced him quite a bit in the AL (7-for-22) is the only current Cardinal with more than four AB against him.
Todd Wellemeyer is 2-1 vs. the Cubs this year -- who knew he could ever be an effective starter in the majors, after washing out as a Cubs reliever? That includes this blowout Cub loss at Wrigley Field on August 9, the only game St. Louis won in that series. No current Cub has more than 10 AB against Wellemeyer (Reed Johnson, 4-for-10). Mark DeRosa is 3-for-7 with a HR.
Today's game is on CSN again -- good news if you think the broadcast channel has anything to do with the record. My EI listings show both home & road telecasts listed, so if you have EI you should get Len & Bob. Also see the MLB.com Mediacenter.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Once again, a reminder that you can find the overflow comment threads, including the first pitch thread, on the right sidebar of both the front page and any interior page in the box headed "RECENT STORIES IN GAME THREADS". Today's first pitch thread posts at 7 pm CT, and the overflow comment threads will post at 8 pm, 9 pm and 9:45 pm CT.
And as suggested, today's post will also have a gratuitous picture of Geovany Soto:
via www.mlb.com
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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aww,,, thanks for the Geo photo, Al
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 11, 2008 3:32 PM CDT 0 recs
I aim to please!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 11, 2008 3:39 PM CDT
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TWSS
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Sep 11, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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And close the damn lid!
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 11, 2008 4:31 PM CDT
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he's so
DREAMY… Think he can call the unicorn?

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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 11, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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I agree thanks for the Geo photo
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on
Sep 11, 2008 4:35 PM CDT
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3rd
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Sep 11, 2008 3:33 PM CDT 0 recs
Houston series..
…I’m being told from a friend who works for the ABC affiliate here in Houston that this weekend’s series is being postponed. Not sure exactly what that means. My guess is they’ll have the Cubs wait and see if they can’t get the series in on Sunday and Monday or at least 2 of the games.
"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard
by TXCub on Sep 11, 2008 3:35 PM CDT 0 recs
Muskat's sources agree
Games in Houston are not expected to happen, announcement coming before tonight’s game about rescheduling. According to Cubs.com:
by Qixotl on
Sep 11, 2008 3:37 PM CDT
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Smart move.
The next smart move would be to reschedule for a neutral site.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 11, 2008 3:40 PM CDT
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Hopefully that's what MLB has been working on all day
is contacting a team (Atlanta) and working out the logistics of those folks staying to work the series.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 11, 2008 3:41 PM CDT
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According to Gordo
St. Louis was rejected as an alternate site.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Sep 11, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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That article says...
The Cubs had suggested the Astros fly to St. Louis to play the series there, but that was rejected, possibly because it would give the Cubs the advantage of not having to fly anywhere.
That’s exactly what the Marlins did in 2004, played at the Cell because they were already in Chicago. So it was good enough for the 2004 Marlins, but not for the 2008 Cubs? Please.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 11, 2008 4:30 PM CDT
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The Astros
strike me as little whiny children in all of this . . .
“But, we wanna play the games at our field” (said in the whiniest voice possible)
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Sep 11, 2008 4:32 PM CDT
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Exactly.
The Marlins, at that point in 2004, were still in playoff contention.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 11, 2008 4:32 PM CDT
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But as I mentioned in another post............
…………scheduling at Busch will be difficult as other events are already set to take place at the stadium this weekend.
There is some camp out event on Friday evening and a concert – I think – on Saturday night. Not sure they can get things shuffled to make STL work.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on
Sep 11, 2008 4:41 PM CDT
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not to mention all the rain that supposed to hit STL
over the weekend.
i’d suggest somewhere like MIL, where you could be guaranteed to get the games in regardless of weather.
Now, where'd I put that button....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 11, 2008 4:43 PM CDT
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The only difference is money.
The Astros were hoping to fill the ballpark against the Cubs. However, the Marlins never have big attendances, not even when they were contending in 2004.
What Drayton Mclane doesn’t understand is that if Houston is hit as expected there is no way that emergency management want thousands of people moving through a disaster area to watch a ballgame, even assuming power and transportation are available there. Those are big ifs at the moment. At that time, his team isn’t going to be able to move to a neutral site, either, even if such a site can be arranged in such short order. That’s another big if.
In short, McLane’s avarice and MLBud’s condescending attitude may cause the postponement of 3 or all 4 games. They should have moved out of Houston for at least 2 games this weekend.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 11, 2008 7:01 PM CDT
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OK...if that's what they're whining about...have the cubs fly to Chicago and back to St. Louis
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on
Sep 11, 2008 5:32 PM CDT
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But that was the Home team
that didn’t have to fly. In this case, it would be the road team. The home team gets a lot of say in this, and the road team is not supposed to get an unfair advantage.
I’ve maintained all along that they would never permit the games to be played in St. Louis.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on
Sep 11, 2008 7:02 PM CDT
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As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 11, 2008 3:35 PM CDT 0 recs
Blindingly Funkified
That’s what our campaign sign says to me, SWL. Brilliant.
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by Kegler on
Sep 11, 2008 3:38 PM CDT
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which one is Sue?
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 11, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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Isn't she flying one of the planes,
defending our freedom and the like?
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by Trey2317 on
Sep 11, 2008 3:50 PM CDT
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does she fly like paper
get high like planes?
name that song
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on
Sep 11, 2008 3:51 PM CDT
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Paper Planes by M.I.A.
One of the only tracks I can think of where the remix is better than the original.
by SuperContext on
Sep 11, 2008 4:08 PM CDT
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I just downloaded a remix of that song myself.
Big M.I.A. fan here.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 11, 2008 4:33 PM CDT
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I'm just sayin.
two people in the poster. One is SWL, the other is Sue.
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 11, 2008 3:51 PM CDT
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that picture is from Woodstock
you can’t see all of the drunk people laying in the grass.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on
Sep 11, 2008 3:54 PM CDT
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uh-oh
scandal strikes the SWL/Sue campaign!
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 11, 2008 3:56 PM CDT
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My vote is going for
Galvan316 and halfblindcubbiegirl
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
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by Galvan316 on
Sep 11, 2008 3:57 PM CDT
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They are full of empty promises
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on
Sep 11, 2008 3:58 PM CDT
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i didn't know we were making that announcemnt official!
Now, where'd I put that button....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 11, 2008 3:58 PM CDT
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outed!
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 11, 2008 3:58 PM CDT
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Well, you lobbied to be on your own ticket
But were denied.
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by sanantonecub on
Sep 11, 2008 3:59 PM CDT
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Which announcement is that again?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 11, 2008 3:59 PM CDT
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that badgers have a tendency to be nosy?
Now, where'd I put that button....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 11, 2008 3:59 PM CDT
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Hmmm....a bit touchy
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 11, 2008 4:00 PM CDT
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lol
oh c’mon that was funny!
Now, where'd I put that button....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 11, 2008 4:00 PM CDT
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Yeah it was -- my attempt at a humorous reply failed
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 11, 2008 4:01 PM CDT
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not your best effort.
Now, where'd I put that button....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 11, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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It's been a long day....
Maybe during a game thread?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 11, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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I dunno if I'll be in there much tonight
Ginger & I have agility class. :-)
Now, where'd I put that button....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 11, 2008 4:03 PM CDT
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There's a joke in there somewhere
But dammit, I’m not finding it
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 11, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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and just before everyone gets weird.
THIS is Ginger. :-)
Now, where'd I put that button....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 11, 2008 4:05 PM CDT
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well, I knew that...
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 11, 2008 4:06 PM CDT
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i know you did
but i meant everyone else…
besides you’re already weird. :-)
Now, where'd I put that button....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 11, 2008 4:07 PM CDT
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Surely you can't be serious
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 11, 2008 4:07 PM CDT
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you should know by now
i’m usually NOT being serious.
Now, where'd I put that button....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 11, 2008 4:08 PM CDT
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No, no, no
The correct response is:
“I am serious. And, don’t call me Shirley.”
Sheesh. Young-uns.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 11, 2008 4:09 PM CDT
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Well when can you say?
Well, not for another 4 hours.
You can’t say for another 4 hours.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on
Sep 11, 2008 4:12 PM CDT
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I think she is
but who the heck is Shirley?
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by tony412 on
Sep 11, 2008 4:09 PM CDT
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its official
i now have to run all responses past Tony… b/c he at least got it right.
Now, where'd I put that button....
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 11, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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He was closer, yes.
Never saw “Airplane!”, I take it.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 11, 2008 4:11 PM CDT
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Closer.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 11, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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I was always a Mary Ann person myself
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on
Sep 11, 2008 4:06 PM CDT
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Damn it. You found the joke.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 11, 2008 4:08 PM CDT
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because THAT
makes it not weird? :P
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 11, 2008 4:08 PM CDT
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TWSS
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on
Sep 11, 2008 4:07 PM CDT
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Fail
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Sep 11, 2008 4:07 PM CDT
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OT
anyone know where to find a decent Cubs beach towel, I tried the Cubs.com site and they had one for an ridiculous amount of money that didn’t look very good
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Sep 11, 2008 3:35 PM CDT 0 recs
I'll sell you mine.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Sep 11, 2008 3:39 PM CDT
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I'm already rehabbing my ankle
I’m afraid of a setback if I get that
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on
Sep 11, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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try
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by Trey2317 on
Sep 11, 2008 3:40 PM CDT
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Thanks
Just what I was looking for
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on
Sep 11, 2008 3:43 PM CDT
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No problemo.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
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Sep 11, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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