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Let's Try This Again Thread: Brewers vs. Phillies, Saturday 9/13, 2:55 CT

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Milwaukee Brewers
@ Philadelphia Phillies

Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, 2:55 PM CDT
Citizens Bank Park

Manny Parra vs Cole Hamels

Partly cloudy with a 30-percent chance of rain. Winds blowing in from left field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 80.

Complete Coverage >


Stay safe, everyone.

While a large swath of the central and eastern USA is about to be hit by the remnants of Hurricane Ike, the Brewers and Phillies will try to begin their series this afternoon. The Cubs were going to work out at Wrigley Field today, but this photo taken from the Wrigley webcam at 10:30 am says that isn't happening:

Wrigley Field, Saturday 9/13, 10:30 am CDT

And with the White Sox likely rained out of their doubleheader this afternoon, the first game of which was going to be shown on Fox to about 24% of the country (Just think! You were going to be treated to the commentary of Rob Dibble if you were in that Fox region!), the Brewers/Phillies game will now be shown to just over half the country. See the link below for info on your market.

This link was posted in the comments of a couple of posts last night, but it bears repeating here: as of 11 pm last night, Miller Park was still under consideration for the Cubs/Astros series:
If that series is moved to Miller Park, there would be a game later in the day Sunday and a doubleheader on Monday. And you can bet Cubs fans would flock from Illinois to attend those games.
This was confirmed on the Brewers website:
Brewers spokesman Tyler Barnes confirmed that the team is on stand-by, and is waiting for direction from MLB.

We shall see. If I hear anything, I'll post it ASAP.

UPDATE: You can rest assured that playing in Houston will be impossible. The Ravens/Texans game that was rescheduled from Sunday to Monday has been postponed due to damage at Reliant Stadium, which is about six miles from Minute Maid Park. No reports from Minute Maid yet, but there may very well be damage there, too, or elsewhere in downtown Houston that would make it impossible to play there.

Today's Starting Pitchers
Manny Parra
M. Parra
Brewers
vs. Cole Hamels
C. Hamels
Phillies
10-7 W-L 12-9
4.03 ERA 3.12
138 SO 180
72 BB 47
14 HR 26
vs. Phi -- vs. Mil

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Manny Parra 10-7 29 28 0 0 0 0 158.2 166 81 71 14 72 138 4.03 1.50


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Cole Hamels 12-9 30 30 2 2 0 0 208.0 173 82 72 26 47 180 3.12 1.06

This game is on Fox. It was originally to go to only 26% of the country, but with the likely White Sox rainout, it will now be seen in a little over half of the USA. For tonight's schedule see the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday

Baseball-reference.com game preview (at posting time this link was not working, but it should be later this morning or early afternoon)

I'm not going to open overflow threads for this game -- if this one gets too slow, please feel free to open one on the FanPost list.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Here's to a game in Wrigley Field North!

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 13, 2008 10:47 AM CDT   0 recs

Important Question then . .

What would be the procedure for tickets!?

by hoosiercubbie on Sep 13, 2008 2:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

n/t

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Sep 13, 2008 2:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sure it'll be announced on the Cubs, Brewers and Astros website...

… once it is decided.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 13, 2008 2:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

makes sense

I’m just starting to wonder if its going to be window only, and if so, my wife and I need to start driving north now.

To put it in perspective, we haven’t been able to go to a Cubs game all year for a range of factors, so this might be it. Even almost drove to Cincy last weekend to just to see them.

by hoosiercubbie on Sep 13, 2008 3:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Some updates from chron.com

Downtown Houston closed for cleanup

No flights out of Houston till at least tomorrow

So I think it’s clear: no games in Houston. Iffy on whether the Astros could get out in time to play tomorrow in Milwaukee. We await further info.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 13, 2008 3:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I get Mon. and Tue. off from work

so I’ll make the trek for sure.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Sep 13, 2008 3:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Second!

Almost made first.

Guys we’re innundated in Action Ridge. Husband is in basement pumping the sump pump (God that sounds dirty doesn’t it?).

Had to cancel bachelorette party tonight for good friend. Ironically before we knew her sister was only going to be able to be in town this weekend to do this we were going to go to Houston for this series.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 13, 2008 10:49 AM CDT   0 recs

third

We'll be all right if we can just get back on the expressway.

by GreeleyCubFan on Sep 13, 2008 10:57 AM CDT   0 recs

This discription from the AP doesn't sound promising

If they’re cleaning up downtown Houston, how can they host a baseball game?


Howling ashore with 110 mph winds, Hurricane Ike ravaged the Texas coast Saturday, flooding thousands of homes and businesses, shattering windows in Houston’s skyscrapers and knocking out power to millions of people.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 13, 2008 11:01 AM CDT   0 recs

I'll be surprised if the Astros players can get out of Houston Saturday night or Sunday AM.

I still can not understand the stupidity of MLB for allowing the greed of Houston ownership for keeping the team in Houston. Do they really think they would play games on Sunday IN HOUSTON after a major hurricane? By mid-day Friday MLB should have forced a better outcome to this problem.

BTW, the Mayor of Houston is asking residents of Houston to stay inside at the current time, and to drink only bottled water. So they really think this city will be in “playing condition” tomorrow?

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Sep 13, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

If Drayton McLane was really concerned about his players and their families, he’d have chartered a couple of planes to fly them all out of town right after Thursday night’s game.

Instead, they’re all stuck there. Stupid.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 13, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The families

I blame the players for not getting their families out of there not McLane.

They certainly have the financial means to do so.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 13, 2008 11:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But if the players have to stay

their families might have opted to stay with them to be together. The entire organization should have been given the choice to evacuate them and their families if that’s what they so chose.

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Sep 13, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe I'm different

Because of my husband’s job if this area were to be under any kind of impending doom he would have to stay back but we would be out of Dodge. Love the husband but my kids safety comes first.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 13, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe that is what happened.

And maybe those wives chose to stay.

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Sep 13, 2008 12:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you can put lipstick on McLane's decision all you want,

I think it came down to simple greed. He kept looking at those 125,000 tickets sold this weekend and he didn’t want to give it up.

I don’t think he spent 30 seconds thinking about anyone’s safety or practical logistics. Sorry. I don’t buy it.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Sep 13, 2008 12:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The funny thing is...

…Astros players and fans seem to disagree with the prevailing opinion at BCB about how outraged they should be. If you look at the comments of actual Astros players and fans, they want to try and salvage the series at home at almost any cost that doesn’t involve actual risk of human life.

by cwyers on Sep 13, 2008 12:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

there is a SHOCK, the players are standing behind the

decision of the owner (the guy who pays them). And the fans, who are already out of pocket for the ticket, want the games played in Houston too. I am not surprised that Houston fans want to see the games played at home…eventually.

Don’t forget, these are the same folks who believed Clemens’ testimony before Congress. Your Honor, I rest my case…

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Sep 13, 2008 1:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Go Phillies.

Get the MN to Santo’s number.

make/art

by neverAcquiesce on Sep 13, 2008 11:03 AM CDT   0 recs

Looks like the Astros are really making the case to play in Houston tomorrow

See here.

Summary:

Minute Maid Park appears to have survived Hurricane Ike with only minor water damage at Union Station.
The stadium is ready for use whenever it’s safe enough to play a game downtown.
``I feel really relieved,‘’ said Bobby Forrest, Astros vice president of building operations. ``A lot of unknowns were answered.
``You know, if we had to play baseball tonight and the storm was gone, we would have been able to play baseball tonight.’’
Forrest and 48 other Astros employees stayed overnight to monitor the stadium.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 13, 2008 11:22 AM CDT   0 recs

translation:

our multi-million dollar stadium, financed by you, the people, is fine. As for you residents of Houston, sorry about your luck, and please come spend $60 to watch baseball even though your homes are damaged and you can’t drink water – we’ll sell you our bottled water for a reasonable $4.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 13, 2008 11:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Excellent translation.

Thank you.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 13, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

thats about how i read it

Now, where'd I put that button....

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 13, 2008 6:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How come no one's posted this one, yet?

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 13, 2008 6:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I like it!

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Sep 13, 2008 6:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is the airport open yet?

Stadium must be only place in SE TExas w/ electricity

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 13, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah Bobby Forest…

Gee the stadium is fine…even though 2 million of you don’t have power and some won’t for weeks oh, and the citizens of Houston can’t drink the water, but other than that lets play some ball today or tomorrow!!

Are you serious Bobby? Really???

by mmancubfan on Sep 13, 2008 11:26 AM CDT   0 recs

This guy just don't get it ..

Unbelievable. I just don’t get this guy’s density.

Are the airlines, airports, hotels and livery services going to be functioning? All of those good Texan folk who would be needed to pull this off for Bobby to get his paycheck this week might be just a WEE bit distracted by things like:

1) Massive disruption if not destruction of infrastructure that enables them to freely move around the area
2) Ongoing search and rescue operations
3) Curfews that the authorities may have in place to keep law and order
4) Contaminated water in the municipal system
5) No electricity, which means no operation of food and waste management systems at the park .. or hey, any restaurants AROUND the park .. or the hotels food for basic family problems.
6) OH, BTW, no power to the homes of the ball players. By the way .. remember them? And no power for their $10,000 SubZero refrigerators, which means they are in a full no cool situation .. and they are going to be losing food and they’ll have kids who are going to need to be fed.
7) And not to be forgotten, the Chicago Cubs are going to be expected to fly in to take on the Astros.

Yes, the little people of Houston are all just going to drop what they are doing to fatten that cat’s wallet. In a pig’s eye, I might add ..

Hey Ernie! Let’s play two … IN ATLANTA ..

 

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Sep 13, 2008 12:32 PM CDT   0 recs

I guess he didn't put the pipe down

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 13, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

More from the Chronical

“As soon as it’s safe to travel – it’s still blowing out there – we will get a couple hundred scouts to go out and do the assessments, either in vehicles or in helicopters, to fly over the lines, see where the damage is and begin to pull together a restoration plan. That could take 24 to 48 hours, depending on the weather.”

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 13, 2008 12:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Astros are putting pressure on Selig to hold the games in Minute Maid.
The Cubs have lobbied Selig to have the series moved to a neutral site, but McLane has held his ground in part because his players want to be by their families during this stressful time. McLane said he wants to give his fans the opportunity to watch the potentially crucial series at home.

"This could be the biggest series in the history of this season," McLane said via phone from his home in Temple. "And the fans would be a tremendously inspirational force for our players. And I didn’t want our players to be away from their families.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 13, 2008 1:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oops. here's the link for the above...

here

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 13, 2008 1:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And while residential areas are without power...

…apparently parts of downtown have power. And the park is playable.

At this point, there are two logistical challenges:

1. Getting fans to the park.
2. Getting the Cubs to Houston.

Here’s the real kicker, though – if you want to reschedule the games to a netural site, you have to get the Astros out of Houston first. So #2 is a concern for both scenarios.

by cwyers on Sep 13, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

this is the point I raised yesterday.

That even after the storm passed, it was unlikely that either team would be able to travel to/from Houston for 24-36 hours. The owner is a myopic idiot, solely focused on greed.

Also: hotel rooms may be needed for displaced residents. Is it fair for the Cubs (and their entourage) to come to town to take hotel rooms that do have power? Logistics are just as important as the stupid ball park.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Sep 13, 2008 1:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Third logistical challenge.

Getting enough team employees — many of whom probably lost power or maybe even lost their homes — to the ballpark to be able to staff a (possibly) full-house game.

The whole idea is ridiculous. Get the Astros out of town to Milwaukee or Atlanta and play the games there.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 13, 2008 2:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It won't be a full house

All those fans he’s staying in Houston for have forgotten about baseball for awhile, I’d guess.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Sep 13, 2008 2:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"This could be the biggest series in the history of this season,"

I don’t know but that sounds like a weird way to say that a series is very important.. In the history of this season?

by dakoose on Sep 13, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ike is coming

and everyone is running like tina!

by china423 on Sep 13, 2008 12:33 PM CDT   0 recs

A little heads up

I’m about 3.5-4 hours away from Philadelphia, and it’s really, really cloudy over here— but that’s regular weather in State College. I say 3-4 innings and they call the game, but that’s only what I feel.

"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot

by NittanyCub on Sep 13, 2008 12:34 PM CDT   0 recs

that would be a best case scenario....

shred the brewers pitching staff

and

force 3 games between sunday and monday

pretty much forcingg cc to throw another cg

not against us

by tim815 on Sep 13, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm really not concerned about the Brewers at this point.

The Brewers have essentially pissed away any shot at winning the division, and have hemoraged a decent chunk of their overall shot at the playoffs. They aren’t even really chasing us right now – they have much bigger worries in fending off the Phils and the Astros.

by cwyers on Sep 13, 2008 12:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

im not ready to give up watching them

last I saw, they were in 2nd place ..

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Sep 13, 2008 12:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Their elimination number is only two more than the Marlins'.

They’re not officially eliminated yet, but I wouldn’t lose a whole lot of sleep over it.

by cwyers on Sep 13, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

take a look at their reliever woes as well for the month of September. The Cubs have the biggest lead in any division—besides the AL West.

"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot

by NittanyCub on Sep 13, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I live in the suburbs outside Philadelphia

It’s sunny right now and the weather forecast has a 30% chance of rain from 4:00 through the night. They will get the game in at all costs if it takes all night

by PhillyCub on Sep 13, 2008 12:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you excited for DeSean Jackson as well?

"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot

by NittanyCub on Sep 13, 2008 12:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Really excited

It was only 1 game, but he looked good. Then again, it was Rams and the Rams are horrible

His jersey is in big demand and sold out at stores.

by PhillyCub on Sep 13, 2008 12:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

which is why i started him in

my fantasy football league

by tim815 on Sep 13, 2008 2:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Update: Reliant Stadium's Roof Blown Off: No NFL Football in Houston on Monday:

Hopefully the Cubs won’t play either.

See here.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 13, 2008 12:49 PM CDT   0 recs

steve stone

6 year tv deal with hawk. d.j. offered the radio job

by china423 on Sep 13, 2008 1:22 PM CDT   0 recs

Didn't Stoney say

when he left the Cubs he would broadcast for another team? or am I mistaken?

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Sep 13, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

poor Stoney...

After a month or two of incessant “Daggummits” and other assorted cornball drivel coming out of Harrelson’s mouth, maybe Stoney will realize how good he had it with Harry…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 13, 2008 1:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Hawk is such a bore. The next game he goes without mentioning Yaz will be the first. Ten bucks two months into the season Stoney just jumps out of the booth.

by dakoose on Sep 13, 2008 2:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll take that bet

Stoney likes his $ and will hang in there.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Sep 13, 2008 2:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know....

Lit’s kick evacuee’s and people who have serious damage to their homes out of local hotels so that an out of town contingent can come in and play a baseball game or two…..Make those out of town utility repair /linemen sleep in their cars…..SARCASM…….another big lack of class and consideration shown by the Astro organization.

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 13, 2008 1:31 PM CDT   0 recs

In all seriousnes

They mayor/police chief/fire marshall ought to put their foot doen and tell Drayton NO…..they need the resources elsewhere.

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 13, 2008 1:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have every bit of confidence...

…that the local government will say that if that is, in fact, the case.

The simple fact of the matter is that all of us on BCB are operating on incomplete information right now. That’s why I’m ready to just sit back and wait for the people who do have all the information to make the decision. Anyone who has read enough press accounts of events they’ve actually witnessed knows how distorting and simplistic a view of events can come through the popular press.

by cwyers on Sep 13, 2008 1:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cwyers....

I’ve been through 4 hurricanes … I have a pretty good idea what things are like there.

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Sep 13, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

as someone who grew up in the 60s with

cynicism burned into my brain, I have to giggle at anyone who makes a statement where they think “trust the government” (at any level). thanks for the giggle. you brought me back to my youth.

I know what you were saying wasn’t supposed to be political, I just found it amusing in that your theme was basically, “government: honest, media: liars.” No need for a political discussion here, I’m just telling you how your comments came across.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Sep 13, 2008 1:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As someone who used to do PR for the US Marine Corps...

…and who now works in local TV news, I think I have a pretty good idea of how the process works on both sides. It’s a very imperfect conduit for the transfer of information. But the short version is, when you take someone who isn’t a subject matter expert and have them try to boil very complex issues down to an AP news brief, and you mandate that they write to a 5th grade reading comprehension, a hell of a lot of nuance gets lost.

by cwyers on Sep 13, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up