Let's Get It Started, Again Thread: Cubs vs. Astros at Milwaukee, Sunday 9/14, 7:05 CT
Chicago Cubs at Houston Astros, Sep 14, 2008 7:05 PM CDT
At last! Baseball again. By the time the Cubs play tonight, they'll know how their nearest competitors have fared -- I wanted to get this posted early, and some of the games have not yet been completed, plus the Brewers have the second game of their split doubleheader in Philadelphia tonight.
Here's the deal on TV tonight: the Cubs website is correct. The game is on WGN -- but only in Chicago, not on the national WGN feed. HOWEVER. The White Sox just announced that they are giving up the idea of playing a split (1:05/7:05) doubleheader today and are going to start a straight doubleheader as soon as it stops raining -- but that may not be for a couple more hours. The Sox' 2nd game is to be the ESPN game tonight. If the Sox start at 4:00 and play a long first game, I would imagine ESPN will pick up at least part of Cubs coverage. So, tune in... you might see some of the game, at least. Tomorrow's 1:05 Cubs/Astros game will be on CSN, and also on EI.
Here is today's gratuitous picture of Geovany Soto (taken last year in Cincinnati):
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The above numbers are Wolf's numbers with the Astros only. For Wolf's full-season stats see the pitcher box above.
Randy Wolf threw a six-hit shutout vs. the Cubs 11 days ago at Wrigley Field. But on May 12, also at Wrigley, the Cubs pounded him. So which Wolf shows up tonight? FWIW, he has pitched twice in Miller Park (vs. the Brewers, of course) since donning an Astros uniform with a 9.72 ERA in 8.1 innings.
Z's last start was 12 days ago vs. the Astros, the game he took himself out of. He says he's feeling great and is ready to go. Z has one of his best career marks vs. the Astros -- 11-7, 2.85 in 25 appearances (23 starts) -- and is 6-5, 3.67 in Miller Park (11 starts vs. the Brewers there). He is also a .267 career hitter in Miller Park and has hit five of his 16 career homers off Astros pitching.
See above for TV information for tonight. For other games today see the MLB.com Mediacenter. I'm not certain, but I believe MLB.TV viewers can watch tonight's game. Field reports would be appreciated, later today.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
As always, you can find the overflow comment threads, including the first pitch thread, on the right sidebar of both the front page and any interior page in the box headed "RECENT STORIES IN GAME THREADS". Today's first pitch thread posts at 7 pm CT, and the overflow comment threads will post at 8 pm, 9 pm and 9:45 pm CT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Well, somebody in Chicago has to get a win today,
why not the Cubs?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 14, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow - Yahoo's live boxscore was really delayed
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Isn't it one inning?
And Scott Eyre is on the mound, too…
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as bad as September has been for the Cubs
… it’s AMAZING how bad the Brewers have been. Wow.
living in LA, why do I have this anger at MLB for not letting this
rain delayed Cub game be shown on the national DirecTV feed of WGN? Does ESPN really think they will get me to watch a White Sux game? Seriously??
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
Blame ESPN
It’s in the contract. It’s almost never an issue. But it is tonight.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 14, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Amusing note from Gordo's Twitter
Astros sticking it to Cubs by every means possible — including forcing the less familiar, bigger, nicer home clubhouse on them.
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Funny.
Does it include hot tubs, bidets, piped-in multimedia, and a special throne for Fatso #1 and Fatso #2?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Not jusy any American Standard throne
it’s reinforced porcelain with 1" rebar. Get your facts straight.
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
I doubt it's American Standard...
…seeing as how Kohler is just a few rolls of toilet paper north of Milwaukee.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
As long as the Cubs
stick it to the Asstros on the scoreboard, I could care less.
Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!
Ouch! How nasty?
Which Cub is assigned the job of “marking” (like a dog) Fatso’s locker?
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
They're flying in Alou from NYC for the ceremonial first leak :-)
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
NEWS FLASH:
Carl Pavano is injured AGAIN!!!
He left today’s Yankee game with a hip injury.
Truly, one of the worst signings in the history of free agency.
Hey, it's a new century!
Well poop.
I hope ESPN does change to the Cubs game. Wed.‘s game is on WCIU so we won’t be seeing that one either. ::sigh::
GO CUBS!!!
It's not marked as a national blackout
so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 14, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like it.
The MLB.TV lineup lists both Houston and Chicago feeds and the schedule on Cubs.com lists MLB.TV. Sounds good to me.
by Great Odin's Raven on Sep 14, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The Brewers are falling apart in front of our eyes
Lets stick it to them and the Astros the next two days.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #6 2-0 (0-0). Next up Saturday home vs. Nevada. Chase for Heisman!
BREWERS LOSE!

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I'm glad its a crappy beer that is getting spilt all over the place
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #5 3-0 (0-0). Next up Saturday home vs. Buffalo. Chase Daniel and Jeremy Maclin for Co-Heisman!
Admittedly unlikely
But if we sweep the Stros and Brewers and the Brewers lose tonight we clinch on thursday afternoon.
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Sep 14, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Now THAT'S funny.
Not to worry. A hardcore Brewer/Packer fan could fix that situation by righting the can and sopping the beer off the floor with the bun of his brat. Tastes great and just leaves a sticky spot on the floor.
Can they fix this?

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Mmmm Grolsch
’n fijn lekker biertje.
The white road-edge paint stripe is a clue that this photo is from outside the US. The road surface and flatness (and the brand of beer) suggest it’s the Netherlands.
Probably is
I couldn’t tell you either way.
Current temperature in hell: 43 degrees F - and falling!
The Dutch are partial to this porous-y asphalt
that lets water drain through the road surface, rather than puddle up and cause spray. It’s amazing to drive in the rain and not get any spray from cars ahead.
You can really beef up your infrastructure
When Uncle Sam is footing the bill for your defense.
Don't think it's Uncle Sam
but it may be some of the taxes on that $9-a-gallon gasoline, the 50% income tax, etc.
The Truck and Car in the picture
Also suggest this photo was taken in Europe somewhere too
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .287 27 HR 70 RBI
That's good beer.
Far outside the taste range of many a Wisconsin sports fan. But they would be amazed by the sparkly glass.
Let's not get uppity
The beer served at Wrigley is not much better. Last time I was at Miller Park one could still get a Sprecher. What’s the microcraftiest brew you can get at Wrigley? In July, all I saw was Dog Style, Amstel, Heineken etc.
And I’ve had plenty of skunky Grolsch. The best thing about it is the the stopper top—makes it easier to sneak out of the bar at closing time.
My dish network
has Cubs-Astros listed on Alt Channel 445. I usually get those so I’m hoping to watch.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Al are you going to tomorrow game?
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 14, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions
More like the Deadbirds
They have given up.
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No kidding!
Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!
So it was the Astros players even more than McLane that delayed this thing
Astros ownership held up a quick resolution by holding firm on keeping the games in Houston if at all possible. In the aftermath of Saturday’s damage and flooding in the area, their positioned softened. But then Astros players, through the union, fought against reversing home-field advantage by playing in Milwaukee.
Berkman and company really didn’t want to go to Wisconsin.
Objections by the Astros players at one point brought St. Louis and Cincinnati back into the discussions, according to sources, but weather forecasts made those poor choices.
Now they’re undoubtedly pissed that things didn’t go their way. So much so that they insisted on using the visitors’ clubhouse which they’re used to, forcing the Cubs to use the bigger, nicer home team clubhouse (see above).
Really bad attitude over the whole thing. They were so hot. Why wasn’t their attitude more like “Bring it On!” “We’ll play the Cubs anywhere, anytime!” I think they’ve blown their own momentum with this thing.
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+1
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Couldn't agree more. Think of the Fish a few years ago, when they just went to the Cell to play.
No complaining, just go anywhere and keep your momentum. I have a feeling that the Ass-tros turned this whole thing into a huge distraction. They should have just left Houston by no later than Friday morning and got all three games in on Sat/Sun/Mon.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
After a storm like that they're going to have to coax Berkman
out from under his bed to make the plane on time.
they can be angry all they want, it certainly wasnt the Cubs fault
…they gambled on having home games after a hurricane and they are getting what they deserve for doing so.
Boo Freaking Hoo.
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
Both of you would be saying the exact opposite
if this was a Cubs home game and they had to play in Rangers Ballpark. As a matter of fact, I bet everyone here would cause an uproar.
I mean, shit, they’re playing in a stadium that’s dubbed Wrigley Field North when they come to town. It’s not the Astros fault either, and they’re being punished the most for it.
"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot
I was saying last Tuesday
that the games would be played in Arlington. Check the records. So you lose your bet.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 14, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I forgot you like butting into conversations
"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot
Actually nevermind
lame post on my part
"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot
The Astros held out for a miracle that would allow them to play these games in their park.
Hope is NOT a strategy! They chose to hope for a miracle and are were left with Miller park as their only alternative.
If they had recognized the reality of the situation days ago, another venue which was more of a nuetral site, may have been an option.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 14, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not at all sure of that.
If, heaven forbid, a natural disaster were to befall Chicago, and (say) the Outer Drive was flooded, the interstates were strewn with cars, Hancock Center had half its windows blown out, the Chicago Police were called in to stop looting, etc., the last thing I would care have a hissy fit about was where the Cubs were going to play.
BTW, at least one Astro fan has pointed out that the Juice Box is regularly patrolled by dozens of cops, and the cops have more important things to do now in Houston than to supervise rowdy fans in a baseball stadium.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Never said it doesn't suck for the Astros
but they could have at least tried to put a positive spin on it, just for their own sake. But if it were reversed like you say and the Cubs had just won 14 out of 15 games, I can’t imagine being too worried about where the next game was going to be played…
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Just spoke to my stepsister
Just spoke to my stepsister. We’re going to the game tomorrow afternoon.
She is a Brewers fan and active on a couple of Brewer fansites. She says the most realistic ones are rooting for the Cubs tonight and tomorrow.
Go Cubs
Now 6-4 Braves in the 9th
4 run rally off Ayala of the Mets, and still batting…
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 14, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions
I'm rooting with a 3 way tie between the NL east and NL wildcard,
forcing 2 playoff games. The first to determine the winner of the NL East and that winner playing whichever NL Central team is tied for the WC. That way, all of their pitching staffs will be exhausted.
And the best outcome would be for the NL East to win the WC and play the Cubs in the first round of the playoffs.
Hey, it's a new century!
Lilly tomorrow
Gordo is a texting fool today:
Lou taps Lilly to start on regular rest Monday vs. Astros. Puts Dempster in opener of big Brewers series Tuesday. 4 minutes ago
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So does that mean Dempster, Marquis and Harden for the Brewers series?
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Sounds good!
If I recall correctly, the Brewers are better against left handed pitching.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 14, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
WHY ?????
Lilly should be saved for the Brewers and Marquis should pitch tomorrow.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 14, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm think it's Marquis tomorrow.
according to the ESPN Cubs page.
"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot
I was only quoting the beat writer who was texting from the Cubs' clubhouse in Milwaukee
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Since the Brewers are only a game up
on the Phillies, does Yost start Sabathia tonight or is he going to hold him for the Cubs on Tuesday?
I think CC will now pitch every game for the rest of the season
Current temperature in hell: 43 degrees F - and falling!
LOL. Wouldn't doubt it.
I’ll be at the game tonight sporting my bleed cubbie blue shirt!
You oughta stop playing God, case you're not good at it and the position is taken.
by cubbie-swagger on Sep 14, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
...and with the standings the way they are
I would suppose any Brewers fans who take in the game at Miller Park tonight will be pulling for the Cubs to beat the Astros.
Why not?
The Brew Crew appears to be up for it
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 14, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Mets meltdown again
7-4 final. Mets bullpen gives up 5 in the top of the 9th.
I love it when the Mets lose!
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And the Mets drop one late, 7-4
While the White Sox are still waiting to start game 1 of a scheduled split DH – how could they even turn it into a twi-nighter, with two sets of tix sold?
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 14, 2008 3:43 PM CDT reply actions
They would refund the ticket holders for the 2nd game
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Now it's a traditional DH,
they scratched the idea of a split earlier today.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 14, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think all this is just funny
We were all bitching and moaning about the Cubs recent slide but looking at the other teams involved in these races makes me feel a little better. Plus this whole Ike fiasco worked out beautifully for us!
I suppose the other side of the coin
is that the ‘Stros have to be encourged by the same results we’re cheering this afternoon
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 14, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: Are the Giants in a Playoff Race?
If not, then why in the hell did Lincecum pitch 138 pitches last time?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Yost was their manager for a day
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I thought that's called a "Dusty"
Or is it a “Dusty” for a young pitcher, and a “Yost” for a veteran?
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 14, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yusty?
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A moronic
move by the Giants to risk the health of face of their franchise to bolster his Cy Young candidacy—which he’s probably going to win anyway?
Make sense now?
by Josh Timmers on Sep 14, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Updated Elim Numbers for best NL record
NYM – 11
MIL – 9
HOU – 8
PHI – 8
STL – 4
LAD – 4
FLA – 3
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I love the signature!
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Sep 14, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a lot to be said for gratuitousness...
mmm hmmm…
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
I think so far this is my favorite Geo pic
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 14, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
My favorite
is any game where he leaps up all fired up after receiving strike three for the 3rd out in the 9th inning.
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He's also on Yahoo's main MLB page today
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Would love to see a few more in the pregame threads
I’d love to see the Cubs have a few wins in a row
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 14, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder why the Rogers Centre wasn't considered
for this series? The Blue Jays were in Boston today and have an off day tomorrow. The distance is about the same for the Astros, but without the automatic crowd of Cub fans. Must have been some other event there, I guess.
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I'm not sure that
NL teams have their passports and papers handy. It’s not as easy to cross the Canadian border as it used to be.
Seattle was apparently offered to the Astros if they didn’t like Milwaukee. Of course, that would mean flying to Seattle, playing two games and then flying from Seattle to Miami on Monday.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 14, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
The Seahawks are playing right now
So trying to have a game right next door would have been a c.f. and sold zip for tickets.
No way the Cubs would have agreed to go all the way to Seattle.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 14, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Starting pitchers for tomorrow?
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 14, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions
Lilly for the Cubs, and maybe Moehler for the Stros
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thanks
I will be watching from section 228 :)
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 14, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Great we get to face Moehler again
I will be looking forward to that… NOT
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #5 3-0 (0-0). Next up Saturday home vs. Buffalo. Chase Daniel and Jeremy Maclin for Co-Heisman!
Dodgers-Rockies scoreless going to bottom 9..
in Coors.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 14, 2008 4:09 PM CDT reply actions
Damn that humidifier
The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.
by sanantonecub on Sep 14, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It appears the wet stuff has stopped falling from the sky,
Looks like the White Sox are about to begin game 1.
I would estimate game 2 will start about 8:00..
Do you think ESPN will show the beginning of the Cubs/Astros or will they show the end of game 1 and then show all of game 2?
Hey, it's a new century!
I bet they'd like nothing more than to spend 3 hours
going on and on about how this is unfair to the Astros.. but I’m sure they wouldn’t be able to move the cameras and crew up to Milwaukee on such short notice. Unless they go with the Cubs feed and send Miller and Morgan up? I wouldn’t get my hopes up, sorry.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 14, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they'd go with the Cubs or Astros feed.
They’ve done this in the past (most recently when Fridays Yankees/Rays game was rained out on Friday and they showed the Red Sox/Jays game, using NESN’s feed.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 14, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The stands at the Cell appear to be virtually empty.
Looks like the Cubs will have more fans at their relocated game than the Sox at their own park.
Hey, it's a new century!
Its bad enough being there on a sunny day
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
And the Dodgers fall 1-0 in 10.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 14, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply actions
F(*%$$$*())__ING DODGERS
Maddux threw SEVEN INNING ON 68 PITCHES AND GAVE UP NO RUNS AND ONLY TWO HITS
and they score NOTHING.!!!!. His last start he did give up 4 runs and the Dodgers SCORED NONE. WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE THE PADRES ?.
Ruined an otherwise perfect day with implosions by both the Mets & Brewers. GO D’BACKS. I want them
to close in on the Dodgers and if the Dodgers do win the division have them stumble in ( except Madux)
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 14, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell us how you really feel!
The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.
by sanantonecub on Sep 14, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry BCB rules prevent me from that.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 14, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
they also
(the Dodgers) only gave up 3 runs in taking 2 out of 3 in Denver. 5 relievers with ERAs lower than 3. Again, not the team I want to face in the playoffs, though maybe in the NLCS the pitching in that series will be amazing, given the Cubs starters and the Dodgers staff. Would rather the Dbacks win the division if only because they are not worrisome at all.
Suckers!
While you people in Chicago get a terrible Cubs-Astros game on WGN, us in the rest of the country get a pair of rocking 25 year old re-runs of Newhart! And they’re even the early ones with Kirk on them!
Guess who has the last laugh now?
are you sure ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 14, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
never mind I see it is Al's post
Just what I was afraid of.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 14, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
No more phone calls we have a winner
I have discovered in twenty years of moving around a ball park, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. ~Bill Veeck
You should complain
And lobby for Fresh Prince of Bel Air
Innnn west philadelphia born and raised
The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.
by sanantonecub on Sep 14, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
And
Watching Brewers pitchers throw up gopher balls was cool
As I watched Ned Yost really get schooled
Go Cubs
by puckishcubsfan on Sep 14, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
never saw a man
throw up gopher balls…
sounds like one of my cats.
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
Brewers now opening upper deck
Just checking tickets and the best ones ( not including the $140 ones are sold out ) and they are now selling the upper deck ones for $20. Not sure if this has been posted as I was
too busy watching the Dodgers fail Maddux.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Thanks!
No, it hasn’t been posted yet. I kind of figured there would be enough demand to open up the upper deck but wondered if they had enough staff to do so.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 14, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Gordon (via twitter) has the following Cubs lineup:
Soriano , LF
Theriot, SS
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
Soto, C
DeRosa, RF
Johnson CF
Cedeno, 2B
Zambrano, P
Hey, it's a new century!
Fook sitting out again, in favor of
a DeRo switch to right, and Cedeno at 2B? Interesting.
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 14, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Put him in SS! Jeeze
"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot
read my sig.
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
Back online in Houston
What’s love got to do with it.
"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard
how are things there for you ?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 14, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
How's the city look?
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 14, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
happy to see you back online :)
how are things for you and your loved ones?
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 14, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine..
…we had a bunch of downed tree branches. It was a pretty intense experience but all in all not too bad. We got our power back this morning.
I’m a little frustrated with the behavior of the local media today but what else is new.
The city was actually in a lot better shape before the heavy rains this morning. We actually got more rain this morning than during the hurricane. But the water quickly went away.
"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard
I don't think this one's gonna be close
We’re basically home at Wrigley North, the Astros are mad they gave away home field advantage, Zambrano hasn’t thrown in nearly two weeks and is fired up, and now I learn that we have home clubhouse perks! Massage chairs and all the special sauce players want!!
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I am not as confident....
I’d like to be and normally am a glass half full girl but my worry is that the take the Astros against the world and turn it into a positive motivation for them
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 14, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Carlos Zambrano vs. Randy Wolf. Com'on people.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Unfortunately
it’s Z the Question Mark v. Wolf who Shut Us Out Last Go-round. If it were First Half Z, I’d feel more confident.
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 14, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
come on, lets bring some positive energy to the collective cub unconscious
i feel really good about the game tonite
by philadelphiacub on Sep 14, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Talk to me after Z pitches his first inning ;-)
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 14, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh please.
It’s not like Wolf looked like Harden out there, striking out 12 and walking one. His defense made a lot of plays on the balls that he let into play.
You mean the guy who got a CG last time he played the Cubs? With 0 ER?
The guy with a 3.81 ERA since joining the Astros? Facing a guy who has a 5.51 ERA in his last 3 games?
Yeah, c’mon now
"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot
K, let's review after the game, shall we, Nittany?
Agree to disagree. Wolf is gonna get rocked tonight, Wrigley North is gonna be hoppin, and Zambrano is gonna be psyched up…the good kind.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
I'm not saying the Cubs are going to lose,
neither am I saying that the Astros are going to win; all I’m saying is that Wolf has been pitching well, especially his last 3-4 starts.
"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot
Oh, don't get me wrong...
…I understand what you’re saying about Wolf pitching well as of lately, and Zambrano not. But let’s remember the regression to the mean, and why Zambrano is a career 3.43 ERA/1.29 WHIP/.228 BAA, going 95-60, and Wolf is a career 4.28 ERA/1.35 WHIP/.256 BAA, going 88-77 in 31 more starts. Zambrano has a career ERA+ of 131…and Wolf is painfully average, with a ERA+ of 101. Zambrano is a better pitcher, and although Wolf has been better the last few weeks, Zambrano has had a better season and with two weeks off, I’d expect him to come out firing.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
Well, if Randy Wolf has pitched well recently...
…then he’s probably due to have a poor game, because he’s Randy Freaking Wolf.
[tounge-mostly-in-cheek]
It's funny that you had to qualify that
with “the good kind” of psyched up.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
he got Cubbie Girl? Are you sure??
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
Ledge Jumpers here already
and the game hasnt even started yet…WONDERFUL!
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .287 27 HR 70 RBI
Who's ledge jumping?
"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot
People are already
Have the gloom and doom talk going already and the game hasnt started yet. Relax people
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .287 27 HR 70 RBI
I dont understand you
"Yes it's true. Everyone knows that I've pitched. I make sure of that. I have nine different pitches, all of which are awesome. I have a 0.00 ERA, got one out, throwing all knuckleballs. I don't remember who I faced -- some dude from Ole Miss." - Ryan Theriot
I dont know whats there to not understand
Some posts make it seem like the Cubs are down 4-0 already
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .287 27 HR 70 RBI
is that any different (on a relative scale)
than the posts that make it seem like the Cubs are up 4-0 already?
With the yin, must come the yang. Just chill and enjoy the journey…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
In honor of the Houstonites...
Top Ten Reasons Hurricane Season Is Like Christmas!
Number Ten:
Decorating the house (with plywood).
Number Nine:
Dragging out boxes that haven’t been used since last season.
Number Eight:
Last minute shopping in crowded stores.
Number Seven:
Regular TV shows pre-empted for ‘Specials’.
Number Six:
Family coming to stay with you.
Number Five:
Family and friends from out of state calling you.
Number Four:
Buying food you don’t normally buy . . . and in large quantities.
Number Three:
Days off from work.
Number Two:
Candles.
And the Number One reason Hurricane Season is like Christmas:
At some point you’re probably going to have a tree in your house!
The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.
This if Hilarious
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Sep 14, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well this has been a strange day...
Our power has been off all day until now in southern Indiana since huge wind storms this morning, I guess something to do with the remnants of Ike. Haven’t had XM radio or TV or this web site all day and, while all we had was trees down in the yard, nothing as bad as Galveston, it’s been driving me crazy not being connected with baseball and the Cubs today. And now it look like they are not going to be on WGN, at least down here. I guess Houston really got us back by making us use the home team facilities at Miller Park. Wow, they’re hard core competitors. Our neighbor has a tree in their house, ours. I hope they don’t mind that we didn’t decorate it first.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
Newhart and the Honeymooners have too much of a fanbase for WGN to show the game on TV nationally!
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
Hi, Bob!
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 14, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Drink!
"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945
You got it.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 14, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
We're getting WKRP here in the desert
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 14, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
If you hear sirens..
it’s probably the phone cops coming for you
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 14, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I hear sirens, what do I do?
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 14, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the lid, Art
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 14, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
As God as my witness, I thought that turkeys could fly
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 14, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
hi, i'm cecil
this is my brother elvis
and this is my other brother hunter
(thumbing through album covers)"Barry Manilow....Barry White...Barry Gibb..."
“…you forgot Barry Goldwater.”
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
The University of Austin.....Austin, Massachusetts
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
CPat just hit a HR against the D-Backs
CIN 2-1
TOP 10TH
Current temperature in hell: 43 degrees F - and falling!
How is he still playing?
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Sep 14, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Dusty is the manager
Current temperature in hell: 43 degrees F - and falling!
Owings hitting the go-ahead run against his former team just two days after his trade
was priceless
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
OK, which feed will be on XM radio tonight? I can't stand the Houston announcers; they sound like high school English teachers on Benadryl
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
SD-Denver
Is anybody watching this game? Denver just went for (and got) a 2 point conversion to go up 39-38 with 20 seconds left. Mike Shanahan gets grief, but that takes some stones.
"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945
they got the benefit of some generous calls
SD has gotten jobbed by the refs. Cutler fumbled but they accidentally blew the whistle. Exciting game…
by LT on Sep 14, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
central Iowa
anyone know if WGN will have the game
called Directv, but they were no help.
I'm a reader not a poster, but I'm also a poster so don't get any ideas.
Which part of central Iowa?
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 14, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Des Moines
I'm a reader not a poster, but I'm also a poster so don't get any ideas.
by cozmotaylor123 on Sep 14, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember DM well when I lived in Iowa
(is homesick)
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 14, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
WGN9 in chicago - Yes
WGN America – No
as I understand it
And I just tried the mlb.tv links to the game
and I get the blackout message.
Yeah, I am getting blacked out on the Philly game too
time to try that proxy server….
by LT on Sep 14, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have a link
Google proxy servers for a list and put one from out of the country in your browser settings.
by LT on Sep 14, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Why does MLB make it so hard to watch games? They've been that way since the first broadcast in Cincy at the beginning of time
The NFL figured out long ago that the more accessible the sport is the more fans it will have. Oh wait, these are the same MLB guys who waited until 9PM last night to decide on what to do about the Houston-Chicago series in the middle of a hurricane.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 14, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I checked the
guide for DirecTV and it show the game on FSH channel 678. Now I have no clue if it will be blacked out or not. I’m really hoping not.
thats a good start
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 14, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes and no.
I’ve watched pregame for opposing teams before onloy to have the game blacked out when it starts.
ouch ouch ouch
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
I've got a feeling when the game starts the screen is going to change to "channel not available in your area":
that’s happened a lot before on this channel
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 14, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Just did; "not available on any other channel"
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 14, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Why oh why do they do this?
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 14, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I'll just watch "Futbol Colombiano"
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 14, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
game not on extra innings tonight?
wtf? why wouldn’t it be? any advice for outta town fans w/ cable & EI? game not listed anywhere on my guide
the pink hat guy is my father
OT: Wow. This One Tree Hill
looks like a whole lotta pile o’ crap… WGN aside from Cubs sure is tetchy
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
What is "tetchy"?
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 14, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
obsolete... should've used that one
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
Whoa, you must be an English major; I'll look that up in my OED.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 14, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
no, I just read too much
it’s been a problem since childhood :-)
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
looks like Iowa
is out of luck,,,
I'm a reader not a poster, but I'm also a poster so don't get any ideas.
by cozmotaylor123 on Sep 14, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
aww dangit
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
dictionary.com is the way to go.
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 14, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
very true and kudos to those who use it
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
I use to get word of day email from them
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 14, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I was having such serious withdrawl
I was having such serious withdrawl I was ready to go to the Lincoln Park Zoo and watch the bear cubs there just to watch SOME CUBS!
Go Cubs
lol I just named my latest WoW character GeoSoto
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
we love your gnome
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
I presume somewhere out there, someone has a Fuku-gnome... ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Ahhhh Baseball's BACK!
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .287 27 HR 70 RBI
Hey its not in HD
Im sure I wont get any sympathy here :) but the WGN9 feed of the game on Dish is not in HD..
How dare they NOT PRESENT THIS GAME IN HD!!
Those Bastards!
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .287 27 HR 70 RBI
Only here for a bit
alas… but I’m going to try hard for tomorrow’s game…miss y’all and my Cubs
This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple. -- Lou
COM'ON PEOPLE
(new window)
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
MLB.TV
I’m not getting anything on my signal (from NY). It doesn’t seem to say it’s blacked out, but no feed of the video is coming up for either broadcasters
Game on EI
Skimmed and didn’t see this mentioned. Sorry if this is not new information. If you have EI through Directv, the game is on channel 737. The on-screen guide says Rangers @A’s.
Is this radar gun correct?!?!
98mph on the heater?!?
"The best thing that happened to %$&*#$% Chicago is Lou Piniella and Ozzie Guillen in the same $%^&%$# town. $% the boring-%$#& guys every day. Some people have to be politically correct, some people have to be $%&*#@$ up. That’s Lou Piniella and Ozzie Guillen."
by Hard4Harden on Sep 14, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions
GOIN TO THE GAME TOMORROW
driving up from evanston with a friend. so pumped.
by Usethebullpendusty on Sep 14, 2008 7:56 PM CDT reply actions
Vintage Z tonight
This could be the ressurection we’ve all been waiting for….
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance 1B/Manager 1908 World Champion Chicago Cubs
Grip
Will you Cub fans STOP standing and clapping while we are in the 5ht inning? Save it for the last out!
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
What's the problem
Are we blocking your view? Not much to see if you’re not a Cubs fan….
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance 1B/Manager 1908 World Champion Chicago Cubs
How many are there tonight?
and how many of those are cubs fans?
Just curious…
by Usethebullpendusty on Sep 14, 2008 8:36 PM CDT reply actions
That is one
fab pic of Soto. Hope it works again tonight!
It has to start some place. It has to start some time. What better place than here. What better time than now. ~Rage Against the Machine
Incredible!
THis is the first Cubs game I’ve watched in over a month. I’ve been so busy… but tonight, I dropped what I was doing, and turned on to MLB.com and watched the last 5 innings. I cannot believe it!!!!!!!! HOLY COW! The Cubs are back in business…. this IS the season!
History!!!!!
I’m sure hardcore Sox fans loved seeing their ESPN broadcast being interrupted by Big Z’s big night!
I will never forgive myself.
My whole extended family made the trip up from Rockford for the game, and I was invited to join them. I said I couldn’t afford the gas money and I had to work early in the morning so I didn’t go. Unbelievable. What was I thinking?
by Great Odin's Raven on Sep 14, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, no kidding, right?
Guess I’ll have to make up for it by being at the game that they win the pennant!
by Great Odin's Raven on Sep 14, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't see Z's no-hitter, but
I was there for the last no-no at Wrigley Field. I was 11 years old and my dad took me as a surprise for my 12th birthday. I didn’t keep the ticket stub, but I’ve still got the pennant he bought me. It was an experience I will NEVER forget..
Thank goodness Bruce Froemming retired. No way in the world would he have allowed such a travesty.
by Great Odin's Raven on Sep 14, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions
WHAT A MOMENT IN HISTORY FOR CUB FANS!
Wow. I’ve now seen my first Cubs No-no!
And the trivia for this night will forever be talked about: Cubs vs Astros in Milwaukee… Z No-no! One hell of a ticket stub!
I'm not going to even bother trying to update this sig everyday anymore... that's what the standings column on ESPN is for.
Updated on May 25, 2008
OH MY GOD!
I don’t know what to say.
Well other than Congratulations to Big Z and the Cubs!
Oh, and thanks WGN for not showing it where I live.
Also, let’s worry about winning our next game. I had to say it.
by Snake Plisskin on Sep 14, 2008 10:49 PM CDT reply actions

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