Astros To Receive All Ticket Revenue From Miller Park
According to a source familiar with the intense negotiations between Major League Baseball and the teams involved, the Astros will receive the ticket revenue from the games at Miller Park.Even though the Astros get the revenues from the games, they insisted on wearing their road uniforms and sitting in the visitors dugout in Milwaukee. Today, the Houston Chronicle quoted McLane as saying that the Astros had no choice but to play in Milwaukee. Chronicle sportswriter Richard Justice called the decision to play in Milwaukee "beyond ridiculous" and then wrote that if the Astros miss the playoffs by a game, they will "remember this one". He mentioned that the mood of the Astros players went from "angry to very angry" and then quoted Oswalt as saying: "We’re the only team in baseball that’s going to play 83 road games." Yet, in the same article Justice wrote that:
He [McLane] refused to believe predictions that a monstrous storm was headed for Houston. He wanted those three home games against the Chicago Cubs so badly that his judgment was clouded. Had he acted earlier, had he acknowledged that the Astros and Cubs simply weren’t going to play at Minute Maid Park, this series could have been played at a true neutral site over the weekend.
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Waah, waah, waah.
Man, they’re almost as bad as the Brewers bitching about Sabathia’s game, since which they have gone 3-10.
If the Astros were focused on the playoffs, they would suck it up and play wherever they have to, instead of being “angry to very angry”. No wonder they couldn’t hit last night.
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by Al on Sep 15, 2008 8:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if
they would have won last night there wouldnt have been another word said. shutup stros and enjoy your early vacations.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on Sep 15, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The second quote says it all
They can be mad all they want, but it was their owner who put them in this situation. They have nobody to blame but themselves for playing in Miller Park. They had to play some of these games and since they waited till the last minute to make a decision, they had to ensure that the games could be played (i.e. dome stadium) . On top of that, they wanted the games to be played in a stadium that they were familiar with. They are only two dome stadiums in the National League….The Juice Box and Miller Park.
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by TheRiot Police on Sep 15, 2008 8:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
while it's true that Miller Park wasn't a true neutral site
What else could they have done at that point? I also believe that since they were getting all ticket revenue they wanted it to be at a stadium they thought they could get a decent number of people at. I have a hard time believing such a thing would have happened had the game been played in Toronto , Seattle, or some other place with a dome.
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by mjk83 on Sep 15, 2008 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or even if they had gone to Atlanta...
.. where the weather was good, they wouldn’t have drawn half what they drew in Milwaukee.
So which is it, Houston? You want the money or you want a “true” neutral site? Can’t have it both ways.
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by Al on Sep 15, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sources from MLB said that open-air stadiums were out
of the picture. They weren’t going to send the teams to a nuetral site and have the game rained out. That would have made MLB look like real buffoons after they fubled the ball by allowing McLane to delay the decision to play away from Huston.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 15, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense.
Again, showing the hypocrisy of Astros management and players. Ugh.
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by Al on Sep 15, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough of them. A pox on all of their houses.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 15, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and all this talk about the game should have been in the rangers stadium
But that stadium is an AL field. I think if mlb wanted to choose a field, they would want it to be familiar to both the home and away teams, otherwise, it be incredibly unfair to the cubs.
by aznsensation on Sep 15, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further...
… Arlington was also in the path of the storm. They couldn’t have played there Saturday.
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by Al on Sep 15, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they couldn't have played there today, either.
There’s a game scheduled. So, that place didn’t allow to remake any game postponed during the weekend. So, once the team decided to stay home Friday and Saturday, Arlington wasn’t feasible any longer, if it ever was.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 15, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard this said elsewhere
but it bears repeating:
The Astros were a hot baseball team. Had they taken the attitude of “bring it on”, things may have been different.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 15, 2008 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Precisely.
Instead of whining, play ball.
The Brewers whined about Sabathia’s game, took the focus off winning, and they’ve been losing ever since.
The Astros whined about the situation that wasn’t their fault — they could have done the right thing in the first place and McLane could have gotten his team AND their families out of town on Thursday night — and from ownership on down, they are putting out real bad vibes.
To which I say, “You get what you deserve.”
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by Al on Sep 15, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
McLane looks like a real idiot here and Selig has allowed himself to be dragged down with old Drayton. McLane has jeopordized the post season and all the revenue by being short-sighted and now the team will have to pay. You are right Al, just shut up and play.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 15, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In speaking directly.............
……….with one of the Astros’ players, and he had moved his family early on. They were housed at his parents’ place, roughly three hours north of Houston.
So the “family worries” were likely unfounded in the first place.
McLane was a money-grubbing jerk and played the entire situation poorly.
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by tville on Sep 15, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell do these people expect? McLane made
a really bad decision for his team and this is how they are paying for it. Do they want MLB to back up time and make the hurricane go away? This is just another in a long series of bad mistakes that can be attributed to this organization. Maybe in the future they will be smart and try to get out ahead of a situation like this instead of sitting back and hoping the situation goes away.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 15, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Give Richard Justice a little credit.
The “angry to very angry” comment actually was part of these paragraphs in the column:
Players’ moods ranged from angry to very angry about the decision to play here. Maybe they’ll end up channeling that anger in another direction.
They can be angry at Selig and McLane when the season is over. For now, there’s still the chance to do something incredible, something they’ll remember for the rest of their lives.
He’s right. Basically, he said what I said: if the Astros had just shut up and played ball, maybe they’d have done better. For Cubs fans and Z, that worked out real well. Hope they’re still just as angry at Selig and McLane this afternoon.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 15, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Astros miss the playoffs by 1 game...
they need to remember that the season starts in April… not July. Play a little better early in the season.
by hokie316 on Sep 15, 2008 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Truth
They WON’T miss the playoffs by one game. They’ll cry about this and use it for an excuse on the losing streak they just begun. If they were a real team, they’d tough it up and stop crying about it. The same with the Brew-Crew… forget about CC’s almost so so… get your crap together and play ball. Tom Hanks once said there is no crying in baseball… what he should have said is there is no whining in baseball. If you whine, you lose. ’nuff said.
by TheHawkRules on Sep 15, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I think we're over-valuing the "home crowd advantage" a bit.
Teams lose home games all the time. Who knows if a more neutral site would have helped at all? The players play; the fans just cheer. As was said in this string a few times – shut up and play, Houston.
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by lostinthevines on Sep 15, 2008 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was reading "Crawfish Boxes"
it was interesting reading their side of things. I can definitely understand where they are coming from….to be honest im not sure there is a way they could have done this that would have made everyone happy. It’s just unfortunate.
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by mjk83 on Sep 15, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The revenue
The Astros should get the ticket revenue. They took in revenue from 23,000 tix last night and I imagine today will be closer to 10,000, On the flipside they are going to have to refund all the money from the over 40,000 sold per game from the originally scheduled three game series in Houston. Unless MLB steps up and provides McLane some assistance from MLB’s central fund, he’s going to lose a chunk of change from this.
DmL
by dmlichte on Sep 15, 2008 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll predict right now...
… it’ll be way more than 10,000.
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by Al on Sep 15, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They SHOULD receive the revenue
But I’m tired of the whining. As has been said, McLane could have fixed this much earlier.
I’m irritated with MLB for not allowing a Triple A stadium to be used. From what I saw, the Round Rock idea was a non-starter, because it had bad weather as well. BUT, Oklahoma City, Las Vegas, Salt Lake, Alberquerque also have Triple A stadiums.
McLane had to get shamed into not playing. Miller Park was fine. But Justice rightly points out that law enforcement had better things to do than navigate traffic around the stadium this weekend. No one with half a brain thought the games would be played there.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Sep 15, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Triple-A ballparks...
… generally don’t have lights and fields up to major league standards.
Plus, the Midwest and central parts of the country had tremendous rain/flooding problems all weekend. Too much risk.
Cashman Field is way too far, considering the Astros had to fly to Miami after today.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 15, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know all the Triple A parks
But I thought Des Moines and Toledo, where I HAVE been, could have managed it.
And aren’t there college stadiums that could have handled it?
And if all else failed, the Cubs-Astros could have been the second game of a double-header in some other stadium.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Sep 15, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor league stadiums
are not permitted to host major league games. It’s against league rules and the CBA.
by Josh77 on Sep 15, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good.
I’m glad I didn’t go and give Houston Asspros my revenue.
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Sep 15, 2008 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What's lost in all of this....
Is that the cities of Galveston and Houston just went through a devastating hurricane….I was really surprised that there was something there to set up a collection for the red cross, or that a portion of the revenues would go to the city of Houston. Shame on you Drayton McClane, you’ve sold out your players and your city just to recoup some $$$$$.
by Fukudome is my Homie on Sep 15, 2008 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Disaster Planning
Going forward…let’s hope MLB requires all teams to submit a disaster plan before the season of how they will respond to situations such as this. This is standard procedure for all businesses and MLB should be no exception.
by funblvble on Sep 15, 2008 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Astros road games
The reason for the road games was the hurricane. There is no reason to think that Milwaukee was any less of a viable site to play the games and it was possibily more viable because Miller Park has a dome. The Astros creamed the Cubs the last series they had at Wrigley. This is making too much of the site not being the ideal neutral site for them.
They certainly had a right to the gate receipts for these games in Milwaukee. To fight for playing in Houston yesterday and today, to expect fans with tickets to attend games in Houston, to have the satisfaction of a home game under these circumstances, to expect the Cubs to travel to Houston under the circumstances is all ludicrous.
Funny how people can see the same thing, even a natural disaster, so differently.
by AboutTheCubs on Sep 15, 2008 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Drayton McWhiner
As Al, I and others have been writing since Thursday, the Astros had a choice to move the players and their families out of Houston and play in Atlanta. Therefore, even had it rained there, they would have had time to reschedule during the weekend.
Instead, the Astros owner decided to heed his players’ wishes and hunker down in Houston. Fine. MLB let him do that. More power to them, then.
That decision created a nightmare when it was obvious they couldn’t play in Houston. They had trouble getting out of Houston and by then there wasn’t any other place available but Miller Park.
Is that the best situation possible for the Astros? Of course, not. But it’s the only one available as a consequence of their initial decision to stay in Houston until the hurricane had passed. Why, then, are the Astros and their owner whining about the consequences of their own choices?
It’s time to " hunker down" and play ball. The Astros are letting their frustration take the best of themselves. That’s another consequence they can blame no one else for but themselves.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 15, 2008 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB probably frustrated the Astros secret plan.
I suspect that the real reason for all the whining is that the Astros thought that because of their initial objection to play in Milwaukee this weekend, the whole series would be postponed until the end of the season. By then, the Cubs would have clinched the Central Division and the Astros could win the wild card without having to face the Cubs best pitchers, who would be lined up to pitch in the playoffs and not in those makeup games.
MLB frustrated those plans, however, when two games were scheduled at Miller Park. The Astros had to play tired and face Zambrano and the rest is history. If they lose the race for the wild card they will remember the plans that I suspect Selig quashed.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 15, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting theory...but...
Houston Chronicle sportswriter Richard Justice expressed his strong opinion that if the games could only be held in Miller Park, then they should have been postponed until the end of the season. But then (as he said in the same article) Fox would have gotten into the battle, since it would have messed up the TV scheduling of the playoff games. So I think it came down to who was going to lose the most money: Fox/MLB, the Astros, or the Cubs. I guess the Cubs lost the most, because they couldn’t take the 40% revenue stream from the games in Houston, and the Astros lost money on the front end (from the canceled games in Houston), but made up some money in the back end (from Miller Park).
So, maybe the Cubs are the ones who should be doing the whining? :-)
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by zevkalman on Sep 15, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that the road team didn't get a split of the gate anymore
Am I mistaken?
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 15, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. I thought they did, but maybe things have changed.
I can certainly be wrong. Does someone know?
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by zevkalman on Sep 15, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The gutless Astros...
Are making the best case right now that it didn’t matter where the games were played.
15 innings without a hit. They could have sacked up and at least TRIED. Too busy whining, I guess.
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by DaBard on Sep 15, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing the Brewers do pretty well in this deal too
Considering parking was the marquee weekday rate I believe and it looked like today the concession stand were kept busy as well. Kudos to the Brewers though for stepping in twice the last two seasons when MLB needed it.
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by TkGoUWGB on Sep 15, 2008 7:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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