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Ned Yost has been let go

http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20080915&content_id=3480423&vkey=pr_mil&fext=.jsp&c_id=mil

 

I am kind of surprised that they are letting him go this late in the season. It looks like the third base coach will take over for the rest of the year.

 

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this should really screw the Brewer clubhouse up down the stretch. I’m suprised they didn’t let him finish out the season — afterall, his team is still very much in the race.

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Sep 15, 2008 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

What a dysfunctional franchise the Brewers are.

Yost is a terrible manager, but two weeks before the season ends? Dale Sveum, longtime Brewer favorite, is the 3B coach who will take over.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 15, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Attanasio must have...

tremendous confidence in Sveum, only way to explain the firing this late in the season IMO

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Sep 15, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what happens to whiners, Al.

The Chokers Brewers started to whine about Sabathia’s “no-hitter” and they crashed afterwards. Watch the Astros go through the same thing with the whining about the series in Milwaukee and Zambrano’s no hitter.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 15, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think this is exactly right

It also really shows you that the Brewers were really going all or nothing for this year. If they don’t make it they will be upset about the prospects they gave up for CC.

by LT on Sep 15, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ned Yost may not be a managerial genius

Firing your manager with two weeks left to play and still in the race isn’t going to do much for their players confidence. Not that I’m complaining but they are throwing in the towel.

by NOLA_Cub_Fan on Sep 15, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I mentioned in another thread...

…that you don’t do this unless Yost can them no choice. There had to have been a huge disagreement over something and they didn’t have a choice in the matter. Yost has a history of being a hot head, and I am sure the pressure of another year faltering at the end could have put him over the edge.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 15, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Brewers front office..

..is gambling on a surge that some teams get after a manager shake-up. I still think it’s the wrong move. Perhaps Ryan Braun’s comments about the “complete disaster” of a series in Philly had some effect.

"I never drink water because of the disgusting things fish do in it" -W.C. Fields

by calicubfan on Sep 15, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its a desperate move....

…at this time. I am sure they thought about letting him go after last year, but they didn’t want to eat the dough on his contract.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 15, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That seems ridiculous...

Right move. Wrong time.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Sep 15, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Yost was in full scale panic mode

and it was clearly rubbing of on the team. Firing a manager this late in a pennant race seems pretty desperate but I wouldn’t be surprised if this has a good effect on the team for the last two weeks.

by bluekoolaide on Sep 15, 2008 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow, that's a suprrise

Not because he is a good manager, but with two weeks left, they put the team in even more upheaval? Wow, until the end of the season, with the way their playing, it is not far off.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Sep 15, 2008 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Give Doug Melvin some props here

Yost needed to go. The team was demoralized and spent and Yost had lost them. Rather than worrying about how bad this would look this late, he made the move and hoped for the best.

Sveum might not be any better, but they were absolutely going in the wrong direction with Yost, and it didn’t sound like he could right the ship.

by Josh77 on Sep 15, 2008 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

That is true

The Brewers where falling fast and Yost wasn’t the manager to turn that around. I guess, why prolong the inevitable when a change could help in the short term?

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Sep 15, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

this amazes me. i can’t see how this will help their team make it to the playoffs, but thankfully i don’t really care if they make it to the playoffs. if i was a brewers fan i would be pissed.

GO CUBS!

"I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty," -- Lou Pinella

by anormal on Sep 15, 2008 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

No, you'd be ecstatic

Every Brewer fan I’ve talked to is

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 15, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

whoever...

was behind that firing ( i assume Senor Mustachio himself) has the biggest set of balls in the world. i don’t think it’s bad to get rid of him , as i didn’t think much of him myself, but the timing….damn….makes you wonder how high the heat is on others in the organization.

by Mateo-Leg on Sep 15, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Patently ridiculous...

This is at best three months overdue; probably more like a season. And yes, if you’ve gone this far with a manager, you have to give him till season’s end to fix his mess.

God help them if they somehow miss the playoffs.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 15, 2008 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

i don't understand why you don't give the man a chance

to turn things around. The Brewers are by no means done, especially with
6 games left against us and 7 1/2 games out of the division.

It goes to show you the level of confidence (or lack thereof) that upper management
had in Yost to guild this team into the playoff backdoor.

I had a pretty strong feeling he might be let go, but not like this.

by BigDcubbie on Sep 15, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Because

Milwaukee collapsed last year too. And if you saw the way the Brewers played yesterday and the comments Ryan Braun made after the game, Yost had lost the team. They really didn’t have the time to see if he could get them back.

Sure, it’s a desperation move. But desperate times . . .

by Josh77 on Sep 15, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yost

I agree with Melvin’s comments that this was what was needed for the team this season. According to all reports Yost had become extremely tight and this was rubbing off on the team. This happened last year, too. I frankly liked the baseball values he brought from his time on Bobby Cox’s staff but clearly he was too intense. Perhaps he’ll learn something form his time with the Brewers and be able to be a more successful manager or coach elsewhere.

The thing that people need to realize is that if the Brewers do not make the playoffs this year the team is going to look very different next year. While not a full scale rebuild, the team will be remodeling. Without making the playoffs Sheets and Sabathia are likely gone (and this likely will happen if they make the playoffs). Rumors are already swirling that Fielder, Weeks and Hardy are going to be on the trade market.

So the GM realizes that the best chance to make the playoffs is to fire the manager and hopefully give the team a shot in the arm. He probably should also realize that if he had given Yost a few decent relievers it never would have come to this.

DmL

by dmlichte on Sep 15, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

No one disagrees with you...

but this was evident a year ago; all of it. It’s the timing that leaves you scratching your head. Two or three months ago, it made all the sense it the world. But with 13 games left? And right before a set with the Cubs that could get you right back in it?

by Damen Jackson on Sep 15, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

two or three months ago..

… the Brewers were playing tremendous baseball. For 3/4 of the season the Brewers and Cubs both looked like locks for the post season. Lets not forget that not long ago, the Cubs, Brewers and Cardinals all had better records than the first place teams in the NL East and West. A few months ago Yost had given the team no reason to terminate his employment. But in the last few weeks the team went into a tailspin. The Brewers need to do what they can to get back on track ASAP and this is likely the best way to do so.

So perhaps Yost should have been fired last year. At the All-Star Break he had his team in great position. The fact is, though, that Yost was retained and with the decision they were faced with today, following a four game sweep at the hands of the Phillies, one that saw them lose a 4-game lead on a playoff spot, they did the best thing they could do to help get their team to the playoffs.

DmL

by dmlichte on Sep 15, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back in late May...

they were under .500, in fourth place, and around eight games out. The in-fighting was starting then, and that would have been the perfect time to look for a spark.

It’s very hard to defend the timing on this when there were many, MANY opportunities for Brewer management to make a move, without executing the nuclear option. It’s 13 games left. You dance with the girl you brought; even if she is fat, ugly, and bald.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 15, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yost
You dance with the girl you brought; even if she is fat, ugly, and bald.

Why? Maybe the team was wrong to not fire Yost already. That doesn’t mean you stick with him if he’s the wrong guy to guide the team for the remainder of the season, be it 13 weeks or 13 days. Further, Melvin may believe that the move may just spark the team when one win may be the difference between making the playoffs or sending your franchise into an overhaul.

DmL

by dmlichte on Sep 15, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Way to Throw in The Towel Milwaukee

This is nuts, there in the midst of a heated Wild Card race, and they do this?

Bye Bye playoffs, bye bye to any slim chance they had to resign CC

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Sep 15, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Be interesting to see how the team responds

but like everyone else, it sure seems like the GM is throwing in the towel.

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 15, 2008 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Throwing in the towel?

I don’t agree. Right or wrong, the club is doing what it thinks it has to do in order to save the season and likely their one chance to reach the playoffs.

DmL

by dmlichte on Sep 15, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

It’s a risky move, but doing nothing was even riskier.

by Josh77 on Sep 15, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Brewers Future...

… is a big question mark. Any chance that they have at keeping Sabathia likely revolves around them making the playoffs and Sabathia realizing he likes playing in Milwaukee (as the Brewers will not be able to match whatever the Yankees/Dodgers/Angels are going to offer. Ben Sheets may feel like he owes the organization some debt of gratitude but most believe that Sheets will leave for more money. Frankly the Brewers would be foolish to spend what it will take to keep an injury plagued pitcher (unless they are willing to expand their payroll into the $100M range.

Who knows what will happen with the likes of Fielder, et al, but if Prince is traded, Braun better get used to IBBs until the team develops whomever they are going to bat behind him.

I think a playoff spot is the one thing that could change this. It might keep Sabathia and Sheets from leaving town. But its possible that the young powerful team the Cubs might have to worry about may no longer be the Brewers, it might be the Reds.

DmL

by dmlichte on Sep 15, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gamel is coming

and he’s likely to be a good one.

Sabathia is gone no matter what. The Brewers aren’t even going to try to re-sign him. I don’t even think a World Series victory would change that. The Yankees are going to offer him too much money and Sweet Home California is calling too.

But the Brewers rolled the dice, probably through 2010, on this year. They couldn’t afford to let Ned Yost screw it up. Now in a coupe of years if they can trade Fielder for some pitching, Gallardo gets healthy and Gamel and Escobar develop, they can be really good again. But I agree with you that next season, and likely the season after that, is all riding on this year.

by Josh77 on Sep 15, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only sense

I can make of this is that Melvin wanted to give his team some type of spark and hopefully that spark will push them into the playoffs. The way I see it is that this kind of move can only hurt the team’s morale, whatever that really means. Firing a coach means that the team wasn’t good enough, which is as much an indictment of the players as anyone else. This could be the worst possible thing for the Brewers, not that there’s anything wrong with that. :)

by dakoose on Sep 15, 2008 3:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe, but..

… I can’t remember a single instance of a manager being fired like this with his team LEADING a playoff spot with two weeks left. The only comp is the ’83 Phillies, but they fired Pat Corrales in July, not September.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 15, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

impact of firing a manager

often times when a manager is fired a team gets an immediate spark, and then returns to “normal play”. If firing Yost gives the Brewers a spark and leads to them winning their next two games then it might actually work. The margins that everyone is looking at now, with less than two weeks remaining in the season, every win counts when you’re tied for the final playoff spot.

On a side note, is it me or does it seem like the Cubs seem to play a lot of teams immediately after firing their manager. I’m fairly sure the Cubs faced Cecil Cooper in his first game with the Astros. I can’t think of any others but it just seems to me that the Cubs seem to face a lot of managers in their debuts and they’ll do so tomorrow with Dale Sveum.

DmL

by dmlichte on Sep 15, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently the Expos let Dick Williams go in September of 1981

then won the second half in the strike-shortened season.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 15, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs fired Joe McCarthy

with four games to go in 1930 and the Cubs trailing St. Louis by only 2.5 games. Dumbest move the Cubs had ever made up to that time. (Don’t worry. They’ve made worse ones since then.)

by Josh77 on Sep 15, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

That one hurt them for years, though. The Yankees liked it.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 15, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a ballsy move but they are not throwing in the towel.

I think they might be hoping the team responds positively and rides that into the playoffs. It is a weird and crazy move but I don’t think they are giving up. Just like it was stated above, this team next year is not going to look anything like it does now. So, they are shaking things up right now & hoping it somehow stops the slide that they have been on.

"I don’t believe that things go your way," said Lou Piniella, the Cubs manager.
"I believe you make things go your way."

by Basman on Sep 15, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think Yost was ever in control and if he was never in control and you as an organization knows that then really you have put your team in a situation where no matter what happens the players won’t be blamed. If they don’t make the playoffs blame the organization, oh well they have obviously not produced in awhile. If they win well everyone’s happy and you still get rid of Yost who you should have gotten rid of along time ago.


Fontenot may be the least likely looking home run hitter. He packs a big punch with his 5-foot-8 physique. Where's the power come from?

"I don't know," Fontenot said. "I've always had decent power my whole life. I guess it's bat speed. Timing a little bit. My grown-man strength."

by Villeslgr on Sep 15, 2008 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Joe Sheehan

has a great article as to why Yost had to be fired: Sheer incompetence.

He also asks if we Cub fans are done panicking yet and tells the Astros that they’ve got no business complaining about playing the games in Milwaukee.

by Josh77 on Sep 15, 2008 5:27 PM CDT reply actions  

That was a good article

Thanks for the link. Thanks to Yost for making the playoff races more exciting…

by LT on Sep 15, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

The stories about Neddly lead me to believe...

that he insisted on something his way, wouldn’t budge, and the Brewers were forced to fire him. They can say all they want about how they are trying to shake up the team’s mojo, and actually make it to the playoffs. I don’t believe it for a second. Firing the manager with 12 games to go, when you are tied for the wild card lead, is a desperate move, not one that any solid MLB organization would do. The quotes from Melvin that he feels that he gave up on Yost, when Yost never gave up on the team- smacks of a lie designed to save face for Neddly boy.

I read the comments on bizzaro BCB & they think the firing is great. It’s desperate, not a sound move, and it doesn’t surprise me a bit.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Sep 15, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I tend to agree with you...

…and even though he made some bad decisions against the Phillies, he has been doing those same things for a long long time.

The Brewers should have started fresh to begin this year, but I’ll bet they didn’t have the appetitie to eat Yosts salary for this year.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 15, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looking for the upturn that usually follows a firing?

It’s a long shot, true, and it’s also the only real chance they have left. Playing as they are lately, they’re not going to catch the Cubs, and maybe they’d even fall out of Wild Card contention.

Only time will tell – still looks to me like the “all or nothing” of a gambler cracking under pressure.

by MN exile on Sep 15, 2008 6:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I could see firing Dusty when he was with the Cubs near the end, because to me his...

…comments in the media justified it, but other then something like that or some other unacceptable embarrassment to the club, then this makes little sense. Did Melvin think that the true level of play for their talent was .900 ball? Now I don’t feel bad at all for worrying when the Cubs slumped. Pinella may have had somewhat strong words in public for players who wee not performing but it seems that Melvin’s actions are desperation. In part to ignite the team and in part to demonstrate that he did something?

Maybe the one thing we can all take from this is that if we face the Phillies in the playoffs we are likely to get smoked if they keep it up?

by DudeVf11 on Sep 15, 2008 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

excellent comparison

This is exactly like the 2004 situation. As things started circling the drain in the last few weeks of the season its very possible that a move to fire Dusty, shake things up and bring in a less intense, different personality may have resulted in a better outcome. Instead the building continued to fall in around the team.

DmL

by dmlichte on Sep 15, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

LESS intense?

The only thing Dusty was intense about in 2004 was whining.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 15, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

overheard on ESPN ..

.. that when the Brewers’ management asked Yost point blank the other day about why the team was playing as horribly as they were, he said verbatim “I don’t know.”

At that point, the shoe dropped it seems. If Yost was that clueless and said as such, he cut his own throat .. perhaps its providential that they didn’t figure this out a month or so ago. The Brew Crew is in full panick mode and they are going to try to salvage this mess if they can.

The thrashings of desperate people on a team with no little talent can be dangerous, and nothing should be assumed yet. There’s no telling what can happen yet. This has been one whale of a ride this year and it ain’t over until the end of the month. And a lot can happen.

And three games from now, our destiny may be once again in our own hands.

Argh … should have subbed to MLB.TV!!!

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Sep 15, 2008 11:59 PM CDT reply actions  

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