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Is it strange to feel sorry for the Astros?

Not to take anything away from Zambrano and Lilly's performances, it is painfully obvious that the Astros have their heads (and hearts) somewhere else rather than in the game in front of them.

At a time when they were just heating up, their city is ravaged by Hurricane Ike and the team is forced to take what is in essence a long road trip (this series against the Cubs in Milwaukee and then its on to Miami)

Would Big Z have turned in a No No if the game where to have been played in Arlington or St. Louis?

I know what you all are going to say. "I shouldn't feel bad for them." You have to play your best no matter if its home or away." And really, the more I think about it, no matter where the Cubs/Astros series would have been played, Cubbie faithful would have turned out in support of their team. There are Cubs fans everywhere!

What do you guys think? Does Cecil Cooper have a legitimate bone to pick or is he just whining and making excuses for the Stros lethargic play?

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No doubt

the Astros situation is tough. However, it is unlikely that they feel too sorry for the number of day games the Cubs play throughout. There weren’t too many viable options that played out well for Houston, so perhaps the Cubs caught a break…

and then took advantage of it.

"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will

by Slakkr on Sep 15, 2008 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Honestly...

for me at least, I feel bad for the Astros players and coaches for being put into this situation. I put at minimum 85% of the blame for this on their owner Drayton McLane and 15% on MLB/Selig for not twisting his arm and thinking ahead. McLane put his teams finances ahead of success and got just that. Full gate receipts from a ticket gouging one-day sale but no win to gain on the Brewers/Phillies.

That said, the Astros just swept the Cubs at the REAL Wrigley so it’s not unheard of with home or away status.

If their playoff chances come down to one game it won’t be the one where Zambrano was so dominant he could’ve pitched like that anywhere but the games they lost in April, May, June, July, and most of August before they decided to go on a hot streak to put them into contention with a freefalling Brewers club.

To say they lost simply because the game was in Milwaukee makes it seem like they would have won if the game was anywhere else. The “their minds were elsewhere” line is bogus as well because if they were playing in ATL or TAM wouldn’t their minds still be elsewhere?

by CubFan81 on Sep 15, 2008 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

MLB needs to act...

… and put into play a rule where the league makes decisions in situations like these. MLB should be able to step in and say “sorry… this is the way its going to be.” If there is indisputable evidence that a major storm or other event is headed towards a city then MLB needs to make the decision. There is a central fund and that should be used to help offset losses in these situations.

DmL

by dmlichte on Sep 15, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Therein lies the problem...

…the indisputable evidence part. Just ask every government official who has had to make an evacuation call over the last 50 years. Many of them get it wrong. And they are almost always listening to the forecasters. I don’t think Selig needs to be in charge of a dog pound much less individual team decisions. If the team gets screwed, they can blame themselves. The last thing MLB needs to do is insert themselves further.

"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard

by TXCub on Sep 16, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Both..

I live here in Texas and the devastation is emmense, players homes without power and water, friends and relatives not none about. All that said, they could up lift the community with their play, instead of getting their but kicked. Just another example of why this is something special for us.

ernie81

by ernie81 on Sep 15, 2008 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

i don't think so

i feel bad for the huskers

go Tigers!

the pink hat guy is my father

by joeschmitt on Sep 15, 2008 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

you'll change your tune

after my Huskers expose Mizzou for the bloated, over-rated prima donnas that they are :)

(Just kidding! Mizzou looks incredibly tough. [though who have they really played??]
the game should be a good one…)

by BigDcubbie on Sep 15, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a huge Husker fan too...

But it would be the upset of the year if the Huskers beat the Tigers. I would be happy if they were even able to stay close.

by rynomite23 on Sep 15, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm going to lincoln for the game

see you guys there.

it would be an upset but not THAT big. i think the spread will be around 8, higher if the nubs lose to va tech, lower if they win.

that is something considering the Tigers haven’t won in lincoln in 30 years

the pink hat guy is my father

by joeschmitt on Sep 15, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Houston

i think my main issue is where the ire is and isn’t being focused. This rests simply with Drayton McLane. If he wasn’t such a stubborn SOB he could have put things in motion a week ago when everyone knew this storm was heading towards Houston. He and MLB could have decided to move the series to St. Louis, Atlanta, or Tampa (which would have fit well with the Astros next stop, Miami). But McLane told everyone to hunker down with their families. He could have told all of his players to empty their fridges, pack bags for their families and themselves, and get the heck out of town.

Again, I take some issue with the “with all that the Astros have been through…” Yes, some players on the team live in Houston and their families have been through a lot. There are also players on other teams whose families live in Houston. There are players who had families who live in New Orleans and saw the devastation of Katrina. No one seems to care about these players. The fact of the matter is that the piss poor planning/decision making of McLane and others put the team in the position that it now finds itself in.

DmL

by dmlichte on Sep 15, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes, it is strange to feel sorry for the Astros.

I feel BAD for the people that have had areas affected by the bad weather that has caused issues over the last few years.

I feel BAD for people who will lose everything they’ve owned because of Ike.

I feel BAD for the people who will have to struggle just to make ends meet because of the bad weather.

I dont feel bad for the Astros. They had ample opportunity to leave the city and their ownership decided they should stay. Where they play the game shouldnt matter, because as professionals I’d expect them to play as well as they can REGARDLESS of venue. These players are getting paid very well to play a game that any number of us would gladly do for free. If their houses are lost, its a shame, but I will not feel sorry for them. They’ll be just fine in the long run.

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 15, 2008 3:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Well put

the players and organization had time to plan aaccordingly.

by BigDcubbie on Sep 15, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

c'mon people

no matter when they leave, the fact of the matter is they are going to worry about their homes, they are going to worry about their family and friends…..anywhere they go, cubs fans are going to out number houston fans and thus they lose home field advantage

so did they mess up and make the situation worse on themselves, that’s obvious…..but to say you don’t feel bad for them because they are well paid? that’s just cold and not looking at the situation with some perspective

being well paid doesn’t fix losing the place you call home or having to see your family friends and neighbors suffer

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 15, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel bad for...

The hot dog vendors, beer vendors, souvenir guys, parking lot guys and others who don’t get paid if there is no game at their stadium.

I don’t feel sorry for players who are most capable of getting out of the city and then of rebuilding if necessary. Some people will struggle to find the $500-$1,000 deductible for their insurance. I feel sorry for them.

I don’t feel sorry for gutless players who would rather whine than hit.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Sep 15, 2008 3:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Crew people too!

Camera ops, A-2’s, tape ops, utilities, graphics people, stage managers…

by MN exile on Sep 15, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

um, no...I guess not

no explanation as to why you don’t feel bad???

by BigDcubbie on Sep 15, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't either...

Its been said but its McLane’s fault. They KNEW the hurricane was approaching. Not saying the storm is his fault, but the pre-action that needed to be taken, wasn’t taken, and he put the ‘stros in the position to have to play wherever Selig decided…and wouldn’t you know it picks what will make the most money (of course!).

by jbertram on Sep 15, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

in my opinion that does…..and that’s fine bc i consider myself a jerk when i said i wasn’t sad to see carpenter go down to an injury…..the cubs winning is the most important thing to me

do i feel bad for carpenter? sure…..i also feel bad for the astros bc no matter what you say, you have to admit they were at a huge disadvantage having to play a home series away bc of an event they couldn’t prevent

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 15, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, it sucks.

But anybody who tries to blame eighteen innings of horribly played baseball on anything other than suckage is deluding himself.

by HereComesASpecialBoy on Sep 15, 2008 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't feel bad for the Astros...

I have a special hatred for them as it is, so anytime we kick their butts it warms the cockles of my heart. Besides, it’s their own fault- as a previous poster wrote, if they don’t make the playoffs, they have no one but themselves to blame for their piss-poor play earlier in the year. They do this every stinking year- suck the joint up the first half of the season, then come out of nowhere white hot in the second half. Perhaps that’ll learn em that games in May and June actually do matter.
From a cub perspective though, I sure wish a team from the central would win that wild card and spare us a first round date with Philly…

by reedjohnson on Sep 15, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I do feel bad oddly enough

Not in the sense that they were out dueled in pitching but in the sense that they were put in an awkward neutral ground.

I don’t buy in to the Home Field advantage because they swept us at Wrigley. I just don’t think it was fair to Houston. However we’ll take every win possible.

And it’s not like we haven’t been dealt with bad luck decisions in the past.

At the end of the day we out-played the Astros.

by ak123 on Sep 15, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I feel bad for the player as human beings because of them worrying about thier families

but I don’t feel bad for them from a baseball perspective. They had a chance to do the right thing and they stubbornly tried to keep these games in Houston.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Sep 15, 2008 5:31 PM CDT reply actions  

i would have done the same thing in their situation

no matter where they go, they lose home field advantage

their only choice was to try and that was a big gamble, to keep the games in houston

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 15, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel bad for Astros FANS but not the players

It is sad to go through the Houston Chronicle thread and see all the anger and despair and
then to go back to BCB from Thursday through Sat and see all the anger there. We just wanted someone to GET IT DONE. We ALL assumed it would end up some place like Atlanta which seemed about as fair as you could get but because McLane wanted his money and would not agree to ANYTHING until it was too late, Cub fans got a wet dream come true and two games in Milwaukee. I don’t think this effected the out outcome of either game as Z and Lilly were just ON and would have been wherever they pitched though hard to assume both would go THAT well.
The ONLY thing the Cub players ever said was we won’t go to Houston in a hurricane beyond that , they had NO control, the Astro players could have pushed EARLY for an acceptable alternate site and told their owner to JUST DO IT, but there is no sign that they did..
So much sympathy for Astro fans , but little for the players and NONE for the ownership.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 15, 2008 5:46 PM CDT reply actions  

i just don't understand how one sided this argument is

watch pti today and tell me if the die-hard cubs fan wilbon is wrong

he echo’ed what i’ve been saying all day long…..whether or not the astros handled the situation correctly is not the point, the point is that the astros lost home field advantage during a crucial part of the year for them and that simply is not fair to them

so yes you should feel bad for them, bc if the situation was reversed, the homers in us would be freaking out at how unfair the situation was

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 15, 2008 6:29 PM CDT reply actions  

you would not be saying the same thing

if the situation were reversed….no way, no how

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 15, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

But so much of this was their owner's doing...

That’s what pinches the sympathy for me. Had he offered to move anywhere on Wednesday and Selig insisted it be in Milwaukee, then I would feel much differently.

He had to be shamed into moving the games. I would hope our owners would behave differently, but one never knows.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Sep 15, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

They play baseball for a living.

I’m NOT going to feel sorry for them for losing home field advantage. Home field advantage is not that big a deal. Z would have slaughtered them anyway. The Astros were due for a fall.

If a tornado had hit wrigley field, we’d be upset too, but we’d (hopefully) trust our team to get it done anyway. It’s an unlikely scenario, but hey, when’s the last time a giant hurricane hit Houston?

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Sep 15, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay

How would you have proposed to fix the problem?

They waited to so long to make a decision they had to pick a stadium that had a roof so that the could ensure at least two games were played. Playing more than one game after the season is unfair to all teams in the playoff push and could reak havoc on the playoff schedule if tie scenarios were to play out.

Also, both teams wanted a stadium that they were familiar with. So…I ask you, what stadiums in the NL have roofs…Miller Park, the Juice Box, and Chase Field. The only one of those available was Miller Park. If Chase Field was available and they picked that, don’t you think that crowd would have been favorable to the cubs considering their huge following there? No matter where they would have gone, there would have been more Cubs Fan…we just travel really well.

If they would have picked Atlanta early on in the week, they could have started on Saturday and that would give them 3 days to play at least 2 if not all three games. Waiting till the 11th hour on Saturday was the fault of Astros Management not anybody else’s.

If you want to feel sorry for the suffering of the families, workers, etc for the hurricane that is fine, but don’t feel sorry for them in a baseball sense.

The Astros Ownership Gambled and Lost…Sometimes ya got know when to hold em and when to fold em. Astros Ownership should have folded.

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Sep 15, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is no solution

that’s precisely my point

they got screwed bc of a hurricane….no matter where they moved the games to, not playing in your home ballpark is a HUGE disadvantage……if you argue you that, you are simply WRONG

if you acknowledge that not playing in your home park is a big disadvantage, combine that with being in a wild card chase, and that is why i feel for them (not to mention how much the hurricane itself must have weighed on their minds and distracted them from the game)

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 16, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...i've been weeping for the last 2 days...boo-hoo...poor multi-millionaires....

if only there were some way we could have made it easier for them.

Shut up about feeling sorry for professional sports teams/players. They are on the BOTTOM on any list of things to pity.

The End.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 15, 2008 6:31 PM CDT reply actions  

none of them

were hurt. Except for catchers who get in Ted Lilly’s way, and, well, there is no insurance for that; no one will cover them.

Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!

by drewishdrewid on Sep 15, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only people I feel bad for are the fans that go and see maybe one or two games a year

Personally when I get my one or two sets end of feb/beginning of march I really look forward to seeing the game for months. To not only have the days I’ve been looking forward to not have a game but a hurricane… must be pretty rotton.

"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 15, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

John "The Talking Rumproast" Kruk

He just put down the bucket of Original Recipe long enough to spout and spew about how “ridiculous” the situation is and that if it was the Yankees, Mets, et al who were displaced by a natural disaster then MLB would bend over backwards to placate them. Not once did Meat Loaf mention the greed and selfishness of Drayton McLaine, which IMO was the reason why the Astros were displaced so suddenly. Instead, like the lazy national commentator he is, he reaches for easy targets and knee-jerk rhetoric.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 15, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

And when Buster Olney

asked him what his solution was, he didn’t answer. Instead he just continued with his whine.

by Josh Timmers on Sep 15, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like how you put ridiculous in quotes

because I think he said it somewhere around 1000 times.

"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"

by MerlinDog on Sep 16, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I feel bad for the City of Houston to have to deal with a major Hurricane

I dont at all feel for the Astros, In fact I could really care less. McLaine dragged his feet for 2 days and actually thought that Houston would be okay following Ike. That was sheer stupidity on his part. I dont care about the home field advantage that the Cubs had either, In fact Im glad the Cubs played in Milwaukee.

All in all I could give a damn about The Astros, I didnt/dont think they’ll make the playoffs anyway and really think that after Oswalt,Berkman and Tejada the team kinda…well Sucks.

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

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by Galvan316 on Sep 15, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply actions  

You can feel bad for them

but that doesn’t mean that anything should have been done differently. Once the Astros players decided to ride the storm out in Houston, there was no other option.

It’s a bad break for them. What happened wasn’t good. But MLB actually made the right call—in fact, the only call—they could when they moved the games to Milwaukee. And crying about how unfair the world is doesn’t change matters.

by Josh Timmers on Sep 15, 2008 10:49 PM CDT reply actions  

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