Four: Cubs 5, Brewers 4
by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:18 AM CDT
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We stand on the cusp of history every single night, or so it seems. Last night's thrilling 5-4 Cubs win over the Brewers, reducing the magic number to four (thanks to the Marlins' 5-1 win over the Astros, the quirky little possibility that the Cubs could sweep Milwaukee yet not clinch the Central was eliminated), and also gave the Cubs 52 wins at home in 2008. That's the most home victories in a season since 1935 -- breaking the previous high, 51, set in 1984. (I've added a right sidebar box listing the top win seasons at home.)
Leaving the ballpark, it seemed there were way more people milling around Sheffield and Waveland than usual -- people starting to come down to the area just to soak in the atmosphere, even without tickets, and this is only going to increase over the next few days... and hopefully, deep into October.
Those who did have tickets saw a game in which none of the Cubs pitchers threw with their "A" game -- Ryan Dempster labored through six innings, giving up no runs and striking out nine through five, allowing only Prince Fielder's shot onto Sheffield that looked like it was going to hit the just-past-full moon rising over the bleachers; that made the score 3-2 and though Dempster trudged out to the mound to start the 7th (surprising us), Lou had no intention of letting him go past the 114 pitches he did throw.
The bullpen struggled. Carlos Marmol threw pretty well -- but Fielder hit his second homer of the day off him, muscling a ball to the opposite field, to bring the Brewers back to within a run after Alfonso Soriano had homered in the bottom of the seventh. Then Kerry Wood -- who we noticed in the bleachers had almost none of his best stuff while warming up -- fired up the radar gun to 96 and 97 MPH once he hit the mound. Even then, he gave up two hits and a run before floating a gorgeous breaking pitch right over the center of the plate, fooling Fielder for a game-ending K, as the crowd got just about as loud as I've heard it all year.
Earlier, two fine fielding plays -- one by Mark DeRosa, one by Reed Johnson, both flat-out dives to get sinking liners -- had helped keep the Brewers in check. Aramis Ramirez and Derrek Lee pulled off a nice DP to end the sixth, a play that got Brewers 1B coach Ed Sedar tossed, arguing that Lee had taken his foot off the bag; replays appeared to show that he had made the play. Meanwhile, Milwaukee was also keeping the Cub offense down with some nice fielding plays -- particularly one bouncer up the middle that J. J. Hardy prevented from being a hit. It was a well-played game, tense and exciting all the way through, something we should hope and expect to see continuing as we make our way to and through October.
Dave and I had a long discussion about whether a team should celebrate a division title on the field (he claimed the Yankees never did, just high-fiving and then leaving the field). He said no -- that should be reserved for winning the pennant or World Series. I disagree. Celebrating a division title is the celebration you have earned for success over the long six-month road to the postseason. It doesn't mean there isn't more work to be done -- obviously, once you get in you want to win -- but I think any team that's made the playoffs has earned the right to celebrate it, particularly in front of its own fans if the schedule breaks that way.
We hope that'll be soon, perhaps even by tomorrow. After that rough stretch to begin this month, the Cubs have won five in a row, gotten back to break-even in September (6-6) and look as good as they have all season. Since a 3-2, extra-inning loss to the Marlins on July 26, they are 31-14 -- their best 45-game stretch since they went an identical 31-14 from June 30-August 18, 1989. What perfect timing to go into the postseason.
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First!
Who’ll be #4?
"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Sep 17, 2008 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You haven't looked yet? It's been up since last night.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the thread :)
"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Sep 17, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh!
I get it now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
you just became #4
I'm a reader not a poster, but I'm also a poster so don't get any ideas.
by cozmotaylor123 on Sep 17, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, in that part of the thread I was #5.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll join in
first?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm #4
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 17, 2008 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh, you meant the magic number... darn...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 17, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, counting only comments, not replies...
I’m #4 on my screen, though I may be otherwise after servers sync up, But hey, nothing wrong with being George Brett!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 17, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no you're just drunk on old style already
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would there be anything wrong with that?
by ThisOldCub18 on Sep 17, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meant that as a complement
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, it's 8:30 am somewhere...
…like here! Barkeep – pass me another!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 17, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said it Sunday...
and Monday…..
Second to Z’s no-no, that double by DLee on Sunday is going to prove to be a good ending to september and a great start to october. DLee is BACK!!!!
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Sep 17, 2008 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This calls for a nice, tall frosty... Whoops!
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 17, 2008 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't
you be drinking Old Style?
by ThisOldCub18 on Sep 17, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not living the High Life...
You ARE freaking out MAN!
by crw89 on Sep 17, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this guy
The next step will be the World Series -- Carlos Zambrano
by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
The new one with the ostrich burgers is the best. I like that they don’t take the beer.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 17, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know who he is?
He’s created a great charactor.
Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!
by Ihatethecards on Sep 17, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His name is Windell Middlebrooks
I guess he made an apperance at Miller Park sometime in July.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on Sep 17, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...go sit in the sunshine, watching your favourite pitcher...
…get lit up?! Take him out, take him out! They can’t even hear me through this glass. Come on guys, I got’s to go smell me a hot dog or something.
That’s who I want to go see a game with anytime; not those schmucks in the skybox when he asks, “can anyone tell me what inning it is?”
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Sep 17, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That commercial cracks me up
particularly the end of the quote you started:
“I gotta go smell me a hot dog or something to make me feel alive!”
by DWChaney on Sep 17, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a great spot and the actor is terriffic
But why would Miller take….their beer out of somebody’s hands? (There’s a lot more going on under the surface in this ad campaign) The spots are creative and funny, but I keep waiting for somebody to call the cops. Perhaps SNL could re-write a new ending….
The spots seem to imply that Mller is now aiming….for a lowered-income customer. Guess “Miller Time” is only for the blue-coller, now. Until this campaign, they haven’t been able to market this brand with any consistency. (Remember they tried to have the ‘woman on the label’ tell stories? That campaign imploded under its’ own stupidity.) Miller Lite/MGD are Miller’s major sellers, but the flagship brand has fallen on hard times. Now, it appears the brand is now aiming at those who buy Old Milwaukee, Keystone, and the like — “regular guys.” This brew isn’t for those who have significant incomes. (And, they NEVER advertise Miller High Life Light)
("But we paid for that beer, officer — arrest that man!)
Now that’s what I’M talkin’ about…
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 17, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I both love and hate these commercials. It has under the surface some class envy going on. “This is our beer, don’t those people have it.” is kind what this commerical says to me, but I still find them very clever and funny.
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on Sep 17, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
They’re funny cos the actor has great timing, but they’re the very definition of pandering.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
These ads are a jab at the “elites”. They are basically saying, “this beer is for you, the common man, not those snobs.” The irony is they are asking the common man to line the pockets of the real elites who make the beer (it’s not as if Miller is a mom and pop outfit).
The ad at the baseball game goes further in this direction than the previous ads, where he doesn’t take the beer away from the customers, but instead from stores or bars who are charging too much for the product (at least that’s my recollection).
by SuperContext on Sep 17, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He converts the tailgate
to something appropriate with regular burgers and let’s the elites keep the beer.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 17, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Take him out! Take him out!"
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree al
celebrate on the field…..winning the division is definitely worthy of celebrating and i think we know by now, this team likes to celebrate
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What a difference a week makes
This time last week we were contemplating a possible Cubs collapse after blowing a game in St. Louis. Now the Cubs are once again large and in charge.
I so hope they can sweep this series so I can be in attendance for the clincher.
by SuperContext on Sep 17, 2008 8:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
let the record show
i’m a proud member of the “not on the ledge” crowd
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remained off the ledge most of the time
I was getting ready to climb on if the Cubs had dropped another game or two in St. Louis, though
by SuperContext on Sep 17, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not me, I was there and proud ...........
ledge all the way!
"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus
by graceunderpressure on Sep 17, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please do not read as Lidge all the way!
"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus
by graceunderpressure on Sep 17, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
I said in post somewhere on here that I was not on the ledge, but I was about six away from it.
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on Sep 17, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I edged toward the window at one point...
…but never got out on the ledge.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was a pround member
of the ‘hiding under the bed during the 9th inning’ crowd. Cats, move over…
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 17, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My name's Drew
and I’m not on the ledge.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hi drew (in unison)
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi my name is Shawn and I'm a Alc...
Oh, wait sorry wrong metting.
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on Sep 17, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was headed toward the edge....
but I had just poured a nice cold Old Style and didnt want to waste it before assuming my seat on the ledge. Good thing for beer, eh?
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on Sep 17, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i remained firmly off the ledge as well
but i was about 3 seconds away from mashing the panic button and screaming.
"He's a pro. Me? I just try not to swear on the air.'' Bob Brenly talking about Len Kasper
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 17, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Changing moment in September....
in my opinion was when Lilly bowled over Molina in STL. Since then i dont think we have lost.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Sep 17, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 i said that the second after i saw it
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Sep 17, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are right.
Sometimes it takes a galvanizing moment to turn things around, something unexpected like that to fire up a team. Man, did that one work.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether he's pitching, batting or running
catchers fear Ted Lilly.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's bowled over catcher in one game
almost threw a no-no in his next. What does he do in his next start to top those things?
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 17, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bats 8th!
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soto does not fear Ted Lilly
He feeds on the awesomeness
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 17, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soto was not born
he was created from Ted’s aura to fulfill his need of a catcher that matches his awesomness
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Sep 17, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soto is the Eve to Lilly's Adam.
make/art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't sound quite right.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 17, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh....
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh...
how about no?
"He's a pro. Me? I just try not to swear on the air.'' Bob Brenly talking about Len Kasper
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 17, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know
i laughed.
"He's a pro. Me? I just try not to swear on the air.'' Bob Brenly talking about Len Kasper
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 17, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then my work is done.
make/art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awkward!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 17, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a...
…take notice moment, no doubt. As a player, you look at that and say; “holy shit, our starting pitcher just bowled their catcher with his pitching shoulder”. Tends to pump a fella up a tad, especially when things aren’t going your way.
To add to this, I would also mention Reed Johnson’s breaking up of the double play in the first game of the series the Cubs swept in July. Remember, the Cubs were down in the 7th and that was a fairly routine double play ball that gets Milwaukee out of that inning. Johnson had the presense of mind to get a bigger lead (Fielder was behind him) so he would be right on top of the 2nd baseman when he tried to turn 2. That was a big, big play.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 17, 2008 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with the Lilly
crunch job on Molina, I thought when I saw it " Lilly stood over Molina for a couple seconds, and said enough of this"
Good call.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Sep 17, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i heard him say
cubs get your heads out of your asses
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me I was saying omg what a stud
he deserved those words normally only uttered to refer to Geo
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 17, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't September, but my changing moment was...
…Reed Johnson’s tremendous diving catch way back early in the season. The one where he slid into the wall, flipping his hat brim up, and Wood’s in the bullpen with a WTF expression on his face…
Great play, but the kicker for me was the way Reed got up, and nonchalantly flipped the ball into the air and catching it again, then he just trotted in, like he does this all the time.
Brought to mind Gary Barnett’s motivation nugget in his pre-sleaze days when he coached Northwestern football. “Expect Victory!”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 17, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they didn't even win that game.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot's pinch-hit double...
to give the Cubs the lead in the July 27 Marlins game is my turning point nomination.
The Brewers had caught the Cubs and were beating Houston. The Cubs were trailing 5-0 to the Marlins. It all turned around in the span of about 30 minutes, and the Cubs haven’t looked back.
by hokie316 on Sep 17, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man it would be so cool...
if somenone could compile all of the great Cubbie moments from this season into a video montage and post it on youtube.
That would be great thing to watch in a couple weeks heading into the postseason. Wish I could do it!
by Matty G on Sep 17, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep checking YouTube.
I’m sure someone will do it in one form or another.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If somebody knows how to download video from MLB.com
I would be more than willing to make a video montage. The only issue is me getting the video off mlb.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #5 3-0 (0-0). Next up Saturday home vs. Buffalo. Chase Daniel and Jeremy Maclin for Co-Heisman!
by nji232 on Sep 17, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The casual just-doin'-my-job-Ma'am attitude
is really amazing. No fist pump after the amazing play, maybe a brief exultation at most, then back to work.
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 17, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
He let DeRo and Demp’s stunned silence speak for him.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love reed johnson
he’s been so much fun to watch this season.
"He's a pro. Me? I just try not to swear on the air.'' Bob Brenly talking about Len Kasper
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 17, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was awesome.
I was there and felt, even though he was out, that I had seen something special.
make/art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point.
Other teams do not have rosters. Just a list of players Ted Lilly allows to live.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Lilly doesn't really throw the ball.
He uses the power of his mind to teleport it into Geo Soto’s glove.
And then he uses leftover power to make you think he threw it.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame Ted Lilly isn't pitching tonight.
He could reduce the MN from 4 to 0.
make/art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was not on the ledge
but I was pacing near it, contemplating a leap after losing 7 of 8
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 17, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they should celebrate on the field
especially if they can clinch this weekend at Wrigley.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Sep 17, 2008 8:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
100% agreed.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on this, too, Al.
IIRC, there was some talk last season about not celebrating the division championship too much. I disagree – it’s a huge accomplishment worthy of celebration. The Cubs are almost there.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abso-f***ing-lutely
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 17, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially if it's Saturday
(said by the man who just secured tix)
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 17, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a National broadcast on FOX.
However to clinch on Saturday means we lose at least one to the brewers so I say NO, Clinch on Thursday.
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on Sep 17, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you.
Get it done.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say they shouldn't clinch earlier.
I said they should have the celebration on the field if they clinch Saturday.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 17, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, celebrate on the field.
ASAP.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see FOX stuck with
the ambulatory Cards visiting the hung-over Cubs
McCain / Palin: The POW / WOW! Ticket
by Goat Whisperer on Sep 17, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You meant to say clinch Thursday...
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on Sep 17, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at any point Thursday through sunday
I meant during the homestand.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Sep 17, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am getting giggly
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on Sep 17, 2008 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hey Al, Prince's bomb went out to Sheffield, not Waveland.
I should know – had it been Waveland, I could have caught it. But it’s too much for these tired old bones to run over to Sheffield for the lefties, so all I could do was listen in agony…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Sep 17, 2008 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
he launched it into the lake, but I think I see did it fly over Sheffield on the way.
by Damen Jackson on Sep 17, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing about it was....
I saw Cheeseburger pose for a minute and it pissed me off, but then i said to myaself, eh hopefully Soriano will hit one and do the same. And he did.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Sep 17, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
I think it was that Cubs 5-3 double play the inning before. All the Brewers were pissed, and Hamburglar looked especially vengeful about it.
by Damen Jackson on Sep 17, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was quoted as saying
“Robble robble robble!”
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 17, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
You’re right. The OTHER homer was to left.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another thing
i usually say players can admire their homers all they want
but when your team is spiraling out of control, you still are down 3-2, prince looked like an idiot for getting cocky
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The little respect I had for Fielder went totally out the window last night.
The guy hits a bomb (absolute shot) poses, then jaws at the fans all the way down the 1st base line. Very professional bro. The pose I can take it’s the jawing at the fans that I find ridiculous. But I guess this plays into the Cubs favor… This Brewer team gets consumed about a lot of stupid things: Jawing at fans who called him Cecil, worrying about what is and isn’t a no hitter, their right-fielder who got voted in by the fans to the all-star game ripping those same fans for booing their poor play. No wonder they aren’t winning, there is obviously too much other stuff consuming that team.
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 17, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again pointing out the complete lack of leadership they have.
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by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree...
Even though the Brewers have a soft schedule after the Cubs, I don’t think this team makes it. Around all that talent, That leadership is missing.
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 17, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd argue...
…that the Brewers suffer from the same offensive woes the Cubs had in 04. They have a talented lineup, but a very one dimensional lineup of free swingers. These type of offenses do well mid-season, but tend to struggle when the pressure mounts and scouting reports tighten up.
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by MPH73 on Sep 17, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add to that the lack of leadership...
… we are familiar with the results. Milwaukee may be in for the same.
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by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On leadership
As much as the Brewers want to maintain their we-got-it-under-control façade, that attitude got Yost fired. He had as much control as a car with a blown tire, and the Brewers were rumbling toward the retaining wall. They did the same last year, watching an 8 1/2-game lead June 23 evaporate into a second-place crash.
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by tony412 on Sep 17, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That does make a lot of sense.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
And next year could be worse.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they're missing a bullpen
and defense a lot more than they’re missing “leadership.” And if Ryan Braun and Corey Hart decide to slump—well, CC Sabathia and Prince Fielder can’t beat a good team by themselves, as proven last night.
The only “leadership” they are lacking is a leader who wouldn’t let Brian Shouse face a right-hander. Apparently, Sveum is no better in that category.
by Josh77 on Sep 17, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't see him jawing
but it wouldn’t surprise me
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the Brewer telecast last night...
and he was. Looked like a big roid rage. The commentators mentioned it. I thought he was jawing at the dugout trying to get them fired up. But then after watching the replay a ton of times and then him still yelling when he was walking back to the dugout, it was definitely at the crowd. Jsonline confirms it:
Fielder jawed throughout the game with Chicago fans behind the Brewers’ dugout, who taunted him by calling him "Cecil," a reference to his father, with whom he’s estranged. As he rounded the bases on a monster two-run homer in the sixth off Ryan Dempster, Fielder shouted back at those fans.
"When they don’t say my name, that (makes me mad) a little bit," he said. "That’s not my name. Say my name."
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 17, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
if calling him cecil really pisses him off that much, i’m sure that is going to follow him everywhere
unless his response is to hit bombs like the one last night
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by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... he and his Dad are estranged. Lots of hatred toward him.
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 17, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i knew they hated each other
just surprised he lets fans know it gets to him…..wait no i’m not
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by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've read, I'm not sure Cecil hates Prince....
It’s Prince’s anger at his dad for whatever reason, and his little childish psychology that is preventing any kind of father-son reunions…
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by zevkalman on Sep 17, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
I think it’s that Cecil robbed him of millions that’s the problem.
by Damen Jackson on Sep 17, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Didn't know that. Sounds like a real nice family :-)
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by zevkalman on Sep 17, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cecil acted as Prince's agent
when he signed his first professional contract. He then gambled away pretty much Prince’s entire signing bonus.
Cecil wants to “make up” and “make amends” but Prince isn’t having any of it.
by Josh77 on Sep 17, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the IRS
come to Prince too looking to collect on Cecil’s tax debts or something like that?
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by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what Josh said, it seems that the IRS would have come
to Prince to get a piece of the signing bonus, and Prince probably had to tell them “Look, my dad gambled away all the signing bonus, I’ll have to pay you the taxes due after I get my first paycheck!”
Man, sounds like a real bad situation…maybe I should start lovin’ fatso a bit more….he’s had a hard time of it….
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by zevkalman on Sep 17, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My cat's named Cecil
after Cecil Taylor…but I really enjoy the fact that this is a detested name for Fielder.
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nifty.
My cat’s named after Archie Shepp.
by sniffy the bee on Sep 17, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very cool :-)
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's awesome!
My kittens are named Ayler (after Albert Ayler) and Misha (after Misha Mengelberg).
by John Q Freejazz on Sep 17, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the fans behind the dugout told him
that they had eaten the last of his nachos or something, because he was pissed!
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by Blue W on Sep 17, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why they lose though...
Fielder is more concerned about what the fans are saying. Yost was more concerned with CC getting the no-hitter. I mean seriously.
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by HIGGY on Sep 17, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, looks like the Wrigley faithful got into Veggie Boy's head.
Well done.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now that it's known that it really bothers him
he’s sure to get it everywhere.
But, in his defense, that is rather disrespectful of the Cub “fans” to do that all night (if, indeed, it was all night).
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
i’m not old school and i know it…..this doesn’t bother me
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by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for taunting and getting in a guy's head
but going into their personal lives is a bit far. And if it leads to two-homer games, it’s way too far.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
i guess it is his dad after all……it’s easy to not think about baseball players as real humans, however if he lowers himself to the same level and jaws back to the fans, then i don’t feel bad
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by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
I’d have more respect if he hit the shot, put his head down, and let that speak for itself.
But I can also understand taking that such to heart that you wanna make those who did it hurt as much as you are.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember "Bleacher Bums"?
Specifically: “Everybody knows about Ruthie!”
And what follows…
by MN exile on Sep 17, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give him a few years, see if he turns it around
He’s a tremendous baseball talent, but still quite the angry young man. And if half of what I’ve read is true about the whole father/son thing, Prince has more than a few issues to work through. Some players can make that anger work for them (Sheffield), some self-destruct (Strawberry). Others turn it around and get their heads straight. Griffey Jr. was a bit of an ass when he first came up, but clearly has become of one baseball’s leading citizens.
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by ballhawk on Sep 17, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would
worry about him eating his way out of the league, Goodness. I know it was mentioned he is a vegatarian, oh really.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 17, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Candy bars and ice cream are still ok to eat though...
and I am sure beer is ok too.
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 17, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll have to disagree I guess...
from where I’m sitting’ he’s a one-dimensional slugger who’s career one expects to be cut short with weight-related issues. Can’t field. Can’t hit for average. Can’t run, and a little disruptive to the team.
by Damen Jackson on Sep 17, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree with you.
His window for production is closing pretty quick. DH in my book.
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 17, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree.
There is nothing tremendous about him except for his size.
Pujols is tremendous, Fielder had 1 season where he hit 50 HRs. That doesnt make you a tremendous player. He is good, but not that good (all the reasons you listed).
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by HIGGY on Sep 17, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without getting into the personality issues
because I don’t know about that, Fielder draws a lot of walks. He’s probably a player like Boog Powell or Kent Hrbek—you’re right in that he’s going to eat himself out of the league, but those guys didn’t do that until they were about 33 or 34. He’s still got a decade of dominance in him.
by Josh77 on Sep 17, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure...
If you can manage the weight well enough to limit injuries in the meantime, and move him to the AL, where he can DH 30-40 times a year. But you’ll need to start managing how you utlilize him in the next few seasons, which really isn’t the mark of a “great” player.
by Damen Jackson on Sep 17, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize he was jawing at fans.
(Just watched the replay on Gameday and it doesn’t show him running to first base.) But, yeah, the pose didn’t bother me all that much. I mean, he did hit the thing a mile and it’s not like the Brewers have much else to celebrate right now.
But Fielder’s tendency to take his frustrations out on others (fans, umpires, his own pitchers) is a big reason the Brewers are NINE games behind the Cubs in the division and in dire jeopardy of missing the postseason altogether.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess they yanked Parra out of the starting rotation too.
Wednesday will be the match a lot of people wanted around here:
Harden and Bush.
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 17, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, my.....Harden vs. Bush sounds like a movie title starring actresses with names
like Jenna Haze or Traci Lords
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by zevkalman on Sep 17, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it'll be a bang up game for sure
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's call it "The Porn Game."
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's play two...
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by N Oakley on Sep 17, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's gang bang this thing and go home.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of that camp fire sing-a-long
Knock Knock…….
…..Eisenhower Who?
I’s an hour late for the gang bang…..
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by Jayo525 on Sep 17, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden came out on top of Bush
the last time they met – in the 4 game sweep at Miller Park.
Lots of good double entendres in that game thread. Much like a 13 year old school boy, I’m looking forward to more on Thursday ;)
by DWChaney on Sep 17, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
twss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
harden came out of top of bush? that’s so wrong for so many different reasons
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by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tellin' ya...
…if there’s a play at the plate and Harden slides into Bush we will NEVER hear the end of it.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if he's safe
the crowd will explode.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy cow, I think he's gonna make it!
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An Len
yells “Oh Baby!!”
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by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*And
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope Lou knows when to pull Harden out...
leaving him in too long can have unwanted ramifications.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 17, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you Catholic, too?
Yay, I get to use that joke 2X in 2weeks
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 17, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No..I'm the father of 3.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 17, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet the photographer who takes that picture...
…will call it a money shot.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
And if the ump takes a moment to make the call it will most definitely be a pregnant pause.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just hope
that Harden’s helmet stays on when he slides into Bush
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by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden always uses protection.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
batting with a helmet
takes away half the fun.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
they there is no pill that will protect Harden’s head from a fastball
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by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if he removes the helmet
they make him slide in the backstop.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ain't nothing wrong with a little
backstop ball to change the pace.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen Harden throw a mean backdoor slider.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the sensitivity
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 17, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and uses the slide step
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 17, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon
i want consideration for best twss of the year!
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by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fail
a twss on a deliberate double entendre defeats the whole purpose of twss
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
i was so excited to do the twss, i didn’t finish reading the rest of his post lol
-1 me
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by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
:-D
so close and yet so far
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sheesh :-)
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 17, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
For nominating yourself. The award show hasn’t even been announced yet but I hear Russell Brand is a leading candidate to host.
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by Jayo525 on Sep 17, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ello Gov'na!
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by Jayo525 on Sep 17, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's all this? What's all this?
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Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 17, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had thought of you when that happened wondering which street you were on
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 17, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, I was hoping you caught that one.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dearly hope that Lou
sits Howry for good from here on out. I’m so glad he pulled him after that walk and after, what? a total of 6 pitches? Couldn’t understand why he put him in in the first place.
Whatever. Onward to the postseason!
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 8:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hope?
He was hoping he would snap out of it?
Remember right now we do not have a 7th inning guy.
Samarja seems to be that guy but he walks way too many people.
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by HIGGY on Sep 17, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep.
I’m giddy about the team but worried about the 7th inning.
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the playoffs...
How about Marquis in the 7th (or 6th depending)? I think he deserves to be on the playoff roster and the middle relief is a gap.
by Rick Rueshel's Paunch on Sep 17, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would scare me
Marquis still walks too many people for my comfort
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by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin
is supposed to be back by next week, assuming he continues to progress as he has
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by tony412 on Sep 17, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin, in my opinion, is the key
He is everything that Hory no longer is. Fastball/slider with good control and few walks.
With Gaudin healthy, the Cubs bullpen should be just fine.
7th- Gaudin/Cotts/Samarzjia (sp)
8th- Marmol
9th- Wood
blowout win/loss- Howry
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by SouthsideCub on Sep 17, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
Marquis historically had not been very good coming out of the pen. I assumed he was one of those guys that needed a set pre-game routine to set himself mentally to pitch.
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by N Oakley on Sep 17, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how he would do mentally it those situations..............
but I think he deserves a role in the playoffs, he has been a real benefit to this team as a 5th starter
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by graceunderpressure on Sep 17, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may be a little early to say...
…that Samardzija walks too many guys. In 23.3 innings of work, he’s walked only 11 guys. And his K:BB is 21:11. He’s had only two outings this season when he’s walked more than one batter – his last appearance vs. Houston and on Aug. 29 vs. the Phillies.
In any case, I almost fell off the couch when Lou put Howry into a one-run game. I’m just glad he pulled him as quickly as he did.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
Howry was the only one warmed up, and Lou knew Demp had to come out?
it’s sad when we’re glad that Howry only WALKED the guy, tho…
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angel Guzman was warm....I just cant fathom why Howry made an appearance in a one run game
….He should be allowed to dress for the rest of regular season and then fade off into the sunset.
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by JB 23 on Sep 17, 2008 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is weird............
Dome is in big time dog house, but Howry appears to be immune from the dog house…………..hmmmm, someone has some dirty pictures
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by graceunderpressure on Sep 17, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least the leash was short
on Howry last night. So glad to see Lou come out and get him after the walk. Even saw some fands get up and cheer Lou as came out of the dugout.
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by tony412 on Sep 17, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and boy, did they boo that walk!
I was booing from the couch. Howry makes me so mad I could spit.
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah on 4 straight pitches too
sad but at the same time, you’re glad it wasn’t a double or HR and that Lou pulled him.
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by tony412 on Sep 17, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know its hard to watch...
…but I think Lou sees what Howry has been able to do in the past and he knows it would be very nice to see if that pitcher is still there for the playoffs.
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by MPH73 on Sep 17, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I don't understand
I really like the fact that Lou gives pitchers more chances than I ever would to work their way out of slumps (remember Marmol’s?) but what I can’t fathom is the fact that Howry hasn’t pitched well all season long and still Lou trots him out in critical situations. I’d rather have anybody else on the mound. Anybody.
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou HAD to let Marmol work it out
The Cubs had no other option nearly as dominant as Marmol and thankfully Carlos got himself right again. With Howry, I really don’t understand how many chances he’s been given. Last night would have been the perfect time to see if Guzman could have been a playoff contributor
by TORCO on Sep 17, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand...
…and I think its the fact that Lou puts a lot of value on being able to recapture the Howry of years past and to see if that pitcher can be found before the playoffs.
Heres the deal, Jeff S. has really good stuff, but his inexperience (and recent performance) is pushing Lou to see if he can draw out the Howry who has been through all of this before and has had good success.
Howry has a track record in pressure situations and Jeff S. doesn’t. Lou is giving Howry every opportunity to show he can still do it. How much more leash he gives him, I don’t know.
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by MPH73 on Sep 17, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was Howry's last chance this season
by gocubsgo22 on Sep 17, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could have been.
n/t
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by MPH73 on Sep 17, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's all hope and pray
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by MerlinDog on Sep 17, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We seem to say that...
…after every one of his appearances, though.
by sniffy the bee on Sep 17, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gets old, doesn't it?
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou comments on Howry...
…in this article from today’s Sun-Times. Key quote:
’We’ve got some candidates [for the postseason roster]. [Bob] Howry’s got by far the most experience. We gave his arm a nice rest, and he responded well [Monday]. Let’s hope that continues."
It does seem like Lou just cannot break free of the idea that Howry is his seventh inning guy. I just don’t get it. It’s Sept. 17 and the guy has a 5.43 ERA. Let it go!
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mancrushes, some people have them
But it’s time for Lou to break free of this one. N-O-W. Because Howry is D-O-N-E.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Sep 17, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Lou,
We don’t care what the pictures are. We won’t be shocked. Let Howry release them. We’ll love you anyway.
Sincerely,
Cub Fans Everywhere
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The decision would come down to
two of the three of Howry, Gaudin, and Guzman. I would take Gaudin for sure if he is healthy enough and between Guzman and Howry, I don’t know.
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by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, I said it when Gaudin came over from the A's.
Gaudin is the new Howry. Guzman’s got great stuff, too, but he hasn’t pitched much over the last year or so and is probably still an injury risk.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree,
so I think Howry still makes the postseason roster
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by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
noooooooooooooooooo
(at least I’m consistent)
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want him there either
but I don’t know if I want Guzman or Howry there, I suppose I know what Howry has been doing this year, so Guzman is a better option
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by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly believe absolutely anyone is better than Howry
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Antonio Alfonseca
Tommy Lasorda
Lee Arthur Smith
Dennis Eckersley
Dave Smith
Dwight Gooden
Chan Ho Park
Roberto Novoa
do you honestly believe your blanket statement now?
by tootle on Sep 17, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that
Tommy Lasorda NOW?
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm...
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds likeq
Lou is addicted to Howry “crack”
come on, Lou. Just say no.
by DWChaney on Sep 17, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was before last night's game
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 17, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whew. maybe there's hope yet
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my heart broke last night
when dome struck out looking BAD
i thought yikes, this could be the nail in the coffin for him this year
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by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know............anyone have a picture of a lost puppy (bengi anyone)
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by graceunderpressure on Sep 17, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Facing Sabathia...
…and the other lefty coming from the side, was about the worst possible matchup he could have had.
With that said, Fukudome does look like a beaten man, and it will be intereting to see how Lou tries to put him in the right situations to boost his confidence.
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by MPH73 on Sep 17, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunts.
He is just not seeing the ball, and when he starts i would get him to bunt 2 out of 3 abs.
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by HIGGY on Sep 17, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good idea.
Would help him get his confidence back.
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by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure wouldn't hurt...
…and it would be nice to have the left handed bats (Edmonds & Fukudome) contribute in the playoffs. It will make the lineup much more difficult to deal with.
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by MPH73 on Sep 17, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the Brewers brought Shouse in
I was surprised to see them pitch to Hank White. I thought for sure they would walk him and pitch to Dome… who I don’t think would have had a chance they way he’s been going. Call it a rookie manager’s mistake?
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 17, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Really seems obvious. Cos I’m sure they knew Lou would want to keep Dome in for his defense.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Milwaukee media would have ripped Yost for that and
no one is really saying anything about that move… Which turned out to be the winning run!
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 17, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes you just try and trust your pitcher.
It worked out for us last week against Pujols, and last night against Fielder. Both situations had an open base.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
Situational Lefty Shouse (who gets lit up by righties) vs. Dome would have been a much better match up for them. That was the best possible match up for Blanco. Guy doesn’t throw hard, comes in side arm so righties see the ball the whole way. In the Cubs case it was the closer vs. their best. power vs power.
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 17, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that's why he's a third base coach.
Good for us, though. Hope he’s got two more brilliant managerial performances in store in Chicago.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt...
Get this over with sooner than later. Get some rest and see what happens in October!
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 17, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably...
…though Dome did hit a double off Shouse in one of their three matchups this season. Maybe that’s why Sveum pitched to Hank White. Either that or maybe the Brewers hadn’t updated any of their numbers on Dome since June.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The saddest moment for Dome
was when he flailed at that first pitch… the ball was somewhere near his shoes.
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah.
he’s still got the best RF glove in the game. Sabathia is a FANTASTIC pitcher AND a lefty.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine too.
Dome looked hopelessly overmatched against CC. Kosuke’s a bench guy at this point, and I think he’s disciplined enough to serve the Cubs well in that role.
To add to the sadness, this Paul Sullivan piece from today’s Trib speculates that Dome could lose his postseason spot to Pie if Felix gets hot.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 17, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That does require
that Lou play Pie to see if he could get hot
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by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't see
how we don’t bring both.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't either
like Al said before, there is no reason for 12 pitchers on a postseason roster
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by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fukudradle
Everytime he K’s he’s spinning out out control. And tell him to fix those divots, damnit.
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by Jayo525 on Sep 17, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me weird
But if we lose tonight or tomorrow I hope we win Friday and the Brewers win Friday night so we don’t clinch when they lose but hopefully with a win on Saturday.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 17, 2008 8:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not weird at all
I want the Cubs to clinch with a win so the fans can have that moment to celebrate.
by SuperContext on Sep 17, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
i know exactly what you mean, but i’m torn
i’m attending my last game this regular season and would like to be in wrigleyville that night when it happens, however i wouldn’t complain if they got to win their way into the playoffs, instead of waiting for another team to lose
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by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was in the same boat last year
I had tickets in Cincinnati to the next to last game on Saturday, the Cubs won on Friday night and I wasn’t sure if I want the brewers to lose that night or not.
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by MerlinDog on Sep 17, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its a bittersweet position to be in
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by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird
Me too and that whole thing was weird but at least the Cubs were in the clubhouse when they won. They’ll all be home by the time the Brewers even take the field on Friday.
Let’s get it done.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 17, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way....
…..they’ll be at home, they’ll stick around the clubhouse
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by cubswynn on Sep 17, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a beautiful day...
…let’s play two.
That way we can clinch today!
by sniffy the bee on Sep 17, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Motion from the floor recognized
And seconded!
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by sanantonecub on Sep 17, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question....
If we win tonight, does anyone have any suggestions as to when I should arrive at Wrigley to get Standing Room tickets for tomorrow? I would assume extremely early if it was a weekend (which I will be doing on Saturday more than likely) but how about tomorrow?
Thanks!
by AndHart120 on Sep 17, 2008 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that's hard to say.
It’s a Thursday afternoon game… I wouldn’t ordinarily expect a lot of people there early. But for a game like that… who knows, there may be people lining up overnight. I wouldn’t even begin to try to guess.
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by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go tonight, and hide in the men's room until tomorrow's game :)
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by RIOTSHIRTS.com on Sep 17, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else think it kind of odd
when Soriano took that unbidden bow to the crowd?
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by Emelie on Sep 17, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he is an odd fellow
isnt’ he
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
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