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Trib Article: Cubs warm to idea of new park

It seems like the two games played at Miller Park have started up the blasphemous talk of replacing Wrigley Field among the journalists and even players.  Among some of the quotes from the article...

There's no doubt the Cubs enjoyed their two-day stay in the Brewers' home clubhouse at Miller Park, and not just because they allowed only one hit in two victories over Houston.

After his no-hitter Sunday, Carlos Zambrano went as far as to say: "This is a beautiful ballpark. Gosh, I wish we could have a new ballpark."

Jason Marquis loves Wrigley, too, but wouldn't mind a replica built on the current site.

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"If I had a personal choice, I think they should knock Wrigley down and build a replica in the exact same spot to give it that same feel. The same colored seats, same ivy, same wall, and throw up a Jumbotron, but have it look like a replica of the scoreboard that's up there now, try to give it the same feel, in the same spot. I wouldn't be opposed to that."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-17-cubs-brite-chicagosep17,0,1561611.story

 

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It doesn't surprise me that players feel this way

most of them don’t have the long connection to a stadium that fans have. To them, it’s a place that they work at for a few years. To fans, it’s the place where they saw their first baseball game 20 years ago, or where they saw this or that feat, or where they sat and enjoyed games with their best buddy or parent who is now dead.

That being said, I personally feel the following order of importance: field, brick walls, scoreboard, bleachers, grandstand, exterior, concourse. I’m sure my feelings derive from watching most games on television and only coming down for a live game once every other year. I’d be interested in hearing what parts of Wrigley are most special to other readers.

by TC Cubby on Sep 17, 2008 5:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Leave the bleachers and the entire outfield

including the scoreboard. Knock the rest of it down and rebuild it- new clubhouse, weight and training facilities, batting cages, etc. Seat 45,000 and you have it set for the next 100 years (or at least a couple decades, the way things move today)

"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69

by tommy veryzer on Sep 17, 2008 6:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is exactly

what I was going to say. The only choice the Cubs have, is to knock down the grandstand and rebuild it, and leave the bleachers alone.

Two reasons-
1) the outfield wall is literally an historical landmark that cannot be knocked down except with permission;
2) the businesses in Wrigleyville will NEVER let the Cubs move. As much as Tom Tunney and the rest complain about traffic, obnoxious fans, etc., the bars and restaurants in that area pump millions into the tax base. Daley would never let that dry up.

My prediction- within the next 10 years, this will be done.

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by SouthsideCub on Sep 17, 2008 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it'll happen within the first couple of years after new ownership takes over.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

The ability to sell out the faciltiy, even in years when the record is not expected to be decent, is a tribute to the location as much as the faciltiy itself. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to risk this major asset by plunking down a spaceship park in a suburban parking lot.

The baseball staff will want state of the art amenities for player comfort, training, and medical treatment and the marketing staff will want to retain the charm of the current facility in the same location.

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by N Oakley on Sep 17, 2008 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Al.

Adding luxury boxes and 7,000 more seats would be a major cash cow for new ownership. It would pay for itself very quickly.

by storkysm on Sep 17, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

and then some…

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Sep 17, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

7000 more seats would be a big mistake.

Baseball people realized in the 80s that the huge multipurpose stadiums didn’t fill up because they had 10,000-15,000 bad seats.

The optimum capacity for baseball is about what Wrigley holds now, 41,000. I doubt they’d add any seats — more luxury boxes, yes, and a stadium club that faces the field, but not 7000 seats.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just hope (against hope) that they have the sense

to put the inevitable second row of ‘luxury’ boxes on the roof. Make them true skyboxes – besides, the hoi polloi will enjoy the skyline and lake views. There was nothing more unnerving then the time I went to new Comiskey, sat in that deck above the double luxury boxes, and watched fly balls never get to eye level. The Cell is fine if you’re on the lower level, but you couldn’t pay me to sit up there again.

by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 17, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They could easily do that.

But, if the entire upper deck is replaced (likely necessary), they could do it in a number of different ways.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 17, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it will be necessary to replace the whole grandstand.

I suspect they will have to rip a mssive hole underneath the grandstand to put in a massive clubhouse and media area, and to allow a larger concourse on the first level.

They will then have to put a massive 2nd, and maybe 3rd level above the main level.

I’m actually looking forward to the new granstand, I think it’s long overdue.

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by SouthsideCub on Sep 17, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so.

The tentative plan I have heard is to put a lot of the stuff that’s now under the grandstand in the new triangle building. That leaves room in the existing grandstand — which was completely rebuilt in 1968 — for the things you’re talking about.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 17, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood

But I think it would be easier, more attractive, and frankly simpler, to knock down the whole grandstand. I look at some of the supports holding up the upper deck sometimes and think that they are not long for this world.

The bleachers have been re-done completely and will be fine for 50 years. The grandstand, unless it is completely re-done, will never last that long.

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by SouthsideCub on Sep 17, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't build something as large as you're talking about on such a small footprint.

It won’t happen.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 17, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I considered that

and I think it would require more facilities underground and a small 3rd deck on top. I just feel like it would be strange to spend millions to replace some things in the grandstand, but literally be forced to leave rusting internal and external steel supports in place.

Obviously, you’re closer to those in the know, so your info is probably right.

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by SouthsideCub on Sep 17, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see the third deck, maybe.

But not the rest.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 17, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the footprint is really the key to the whole thing...

…because the field itself can’t be moved, rotated, or otherwise adjusted within the lot to better accomodate a new grandstand. Also, the current plans for the “triangle building” are probably out the window if they were to completely rebuild the grandstand as that space (btwn Clark and the left field side of the existing stand) would be at least partially consumed by a new stand.

These issues lead me to the conclusion that, if they were to build a new grandstand, we’d end up with structure that is much larger on the left field side than on the right. Rather, the Cubs are hemmed in so tightly by Addison Street that they can’t build a full-size new grandstand unless the course of the street itself is adjusted. Modern stands, with loge tiers slid back behind lower ones, take up far more space than an old stand with a traditional upper deck. Because of that, any new stand along Addison would probably have a much lower capacity than the current grandstand does in that area. However, with the space they have on the Clark street side of the park, the Cubs have the option to build a much larger, taller, stand but only on that side of the field.

All of this leads me to believe that, if the Cubs choose to build something from scratch, the final product will be kinda strange looking, with a grandstand that is much smaller along the right field line than along the left. Perhaps we’d see a single-tiered stand along Addison and wrapping around behind home plate, with the bulk of the luxury boxes (there’ll be lots more luxury boxes, no matter what) above it, and then a huge two or three-tiered monster extending from the infield out to Waveland.

I don’t know if that’s the ideal solution and I personally will hate to see the existing upper deck go but I can’t imagine that they’d keep it or try to replicate it.

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by LaddieRenfroe on Sep 17, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am interested in seeing how this will be done

My guess is that Wrigley reconstructed will include three levels on the grandstand to cram as many seats as possible into it. The highest seats will end up being as far off the ground as those that used to be at the highest levels at the Cell.

I also (drumroll, please) predict that eventually Waveland between Clark and Sheffield, and Sheffield between Addison and Waveland, will be closed to traffic so that the Cubs can expand the bleachers even higher.

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by SouthsideCub on Sep 17, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that would be a good compromise

And they need to update our luxury suites, they are pretty retro and tiny

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by ryanbrixenivy on Sep 17, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having seen two games from the

boxes, I wouldn’t use the word luxury.

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by N Oakley on Sep 17, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what will that few hundred million

renovation provide? I’m not clear on all the details but hear clubhouses and other creature features that are not readily seen on camera are in the plan, including modification of the concourses after moving office personnel out of the park.

While it would be a sin to put a jumbotron in the OF and just the thought of defacing the iconic 1937 scoreboard makes me puke, I do wonder if there’s a way to have smaller video screens on the front facades of the lower and upper deck.

Unless the structure is completely rebuilt, the 41,100+ they seat now isn’t going to go much higher. Funny thing, the Trib in 1981 had a chance to buy all the houses on Waveland and Sheffield when they bought the Cubs, or so I hear. They turned that down. Too bad, because a permanent version of those temporary bleachers erected for a special event could easily push the capacity into the mid 40k’s.

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by blackhawk24 on Sep 17, 2008 6:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This could definitely be done...

I agree as well the scoreboard should not be touched…but provided there was room these video boards can be made all different sizes. I work for Daktronics, who provides about 75% of these in the four major sports, the new one in KC, Dolphin Stadium, and the Steelers to name a few. These things can be really cool even in small sizes…but alas even at 25 I think I’m kind of old school and anything gaudy just wouldn’t have a place at Wrigley.

by jbertram on Sep 17, 2008 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't the scoreboard

part of the ‘historical landmark’ designation?

(Not that they haven’t got around making changes before)

by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 17, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it is

along with the Ivy, Marquee and the “general sweeping view of/from the grandstands”. Probably a few others that I missed.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Sep 17, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I too can understand

where the players are coming from. I wouldn’t want to office in a broom closet. But as TC Cubby said above, us fans have more invested in Wrigley than the players do. The players come and go, while the fans have been around as long as Wrigley Field has, in some cases. I don’t believe that the organization can replace Wrigley, but a gutting, or something similar is probably in order.

When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo

by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 6:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well if the players have a billion to spare

They can build one but good luck on the financing otherwise. The new Yankee Stadium is now running into some MAJOR issues on both money and very possibly illegal actions by
both the city and the Yankees in obtaining the tax incentives. There is NO way in the forseeable future you could get the kind of public money or tax incentives you would need to build a new park. In any event this IS the players and they have nothing to do with it.

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by Doggie Stalker on Sep 17, 2008 7:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Up here in MN

the Vikings are having the same problem. The Twins just got a new stadium and the tax payers are sick of funding these things for owners who are making millions of dollars off of them already. The Vikings are going to have a very hard time getting a large amount of public funding for a new stadium.

When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo

by gwood on Sep 17, 2008 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

Unless you have a private individual who has a spare billion dollars, you can forget about any new stadium being built in Chicago.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 17, 2008 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm afraid you are right Al.

The precedent has been set that baseball stadiums are built with public money and I don’t see Illinois ponying up a couple billion to build a new Wrigley. I think it should be a shared effort because the sums of money are so large that it’s a huge burden to place on taxpayers. I like the NFL model of craeting a fund to pay for new stadiums through the league but we know the financial dynamics of football and baseball are much too different for something like that to occur.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 17, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The NFL

doesn’t contribute that much to a new stadium project. That’s one of the many, many reasons the Chargers are still waiting for their new facility. If the NFL fund was significant, that would be one less hurdle faced out in SD in the building of a football stadium.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 17, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor Chargers

getting screwed left and right.

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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Jumbotron please

I’m Ok with a new grandstand, clubhouses, concourse, etc. But the lack of a jumbotron is also something that makes the Wrigley experience special, and I’m opposed to ever having one. It’s bad enough that most of the time commercials are blasted over a loudspeaker between innings. With a jumbotron, it’s just more commercials.

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on Sep 17, 2008 8:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+100

There are way too many video screens in the world already.

Also, the lack of a replay screen means you have to, like, WATCH THE GAME WHILE IT’S HAPPENING IN FRONT OF YOU, which really isn’t all that difficult.

"[Lou Piniella] might be over 100, but he still has a lot of fire in him." - Ted Lilly, Sept. 10, 2008

by CaughtInTheVines on Sep 17, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seen a few Busch Stadium games this year

and there is just TOO MUCH going on other than the game.

News flash: the game IS the entertainment.

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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+++++100%

I live in California, and went to the second playoff game at Chase Field in Phoenix last October – my first time there.

The stadium was new, and seemed cool until the game started. After that, it was like a damn giant video game. The strip of video monitors was constantly telling people when to make noise, and they seemed to obey orders quite well. You would hardly know that there was a baseball game going on. By the end of the game, fueled by beer and frustration, I was standing up and yelling “Bitches, obey your video masters — cheer”. I guess that I am not very threatening, because the only response that I got was a few smirks.

Anyway, I hate the new stadium experience and kowtowing to the short-attention-span crowd. Give me Wrigley, with ivy and the old scoreboard – and a little video add-on that tells the pitch speeds. No gimmicks necessary besides Waveland and Sheffield Avenues.

by vonde6 on Sep 17, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am totally LOL

at the thought of you standing there calling out the crowd on being all 1984 – good work! And the fact that you got no response just shows how anesthetized they were.

"[Lou Piniella] might be over 100, but he still has a lot of fire in him." - Ted Lilly, Sept. 10, 2008

by CaughtInTheVines on Sep 17, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last game I went to was the same thing.

PA: Everybody clap your hands!
Crowd: Okay!

It’s so generic. The dude next to my friend followed EVERY urge for noise. I started making so many snide jokes even the elderly lady on my left was laughing.

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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 17, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I truly believe that if the video screens told the crowd...

Everybody take off your clothes!, more than a few would do just that.

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by Bump Bailey on Sep 17, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I don’t even like the message board directly beneath the scoreboard.

As to gutting the park and rebuilding…well, I’m not sure. When you think of Wrigley, almost all of the immediately identifiable landmarks in the park are in the outfield. So…keep the outfield. I can’t help but think that with construction technologies haveing advanced somewhat over the last 90+ years, we can’t turn out something a with a little more room, amenities, etc, in the same footprint. And as a thought…where’s the water table in that part of Chicago? I know it’s not far from the Lake, but could a lot of it be pushed down? There’s a parking lot here in San Antonio that’s 7 stories deep…a lot of room with that kind of ability (including something besides the pathetically small parking lot for players, coaches, etc)

by CJElven on Sep 17, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

now i'm not an expert or anything

but i think the Cubs could reach a deal with Miller Brewing and whomever rents the right field billboard to them and make that puppy into a jumbotron. You can show highlights and replays during the innings and between innings, pitches or outs Miller would have exclusive rights to show their message for that series. The Cubs need to get creative again in their partnerships and advertising. A lot of you were against putting the Under Armour ads on the walls, but now you don’t care. So don’t get all hot headed when somebody brings up the word jumbotron. It’s not all about bennie babies and floppy hats or flappy hots and Pat calls them.

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by mmaxon on Sep 17, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True enough.

I don’t have any real objection to a Jumbotron as long as they keep the existing scoreboard along with it. For that matter, they could put a ribbon board along the upper deck facing, too — it would at the very least give more information, which is lacking at Wrigley with the existing boards.

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by Al on Sep 17, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you have a jumbotron

with the rooftop seats? They *are our partners, after all

by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 17, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

im saying to replace

the Miller billboard across the street on sheffield with a jumbotron in a partnership with Miller Brewing and the owner of the sign. When they aren’t showing replays Miller would have exclusive rights to show the billboard message that is always up and is changed every game. I have a friend who works on the Miller ad account and it costs about a half a million a month which im sure wouldn’t be too big an obstacle for the cubs and miller brewing to work out. This way, we keep the Miller sign and we get a jumbotron in right field that is not in the way of the rooftops and doesn’t affect the scoreboard.

"Career highlights? I had two. I got an intentional walk from Sandy Koufax and I got out of a rundown against the Mets." Bob Uecker

by mmaxon on Sep 17, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather...

they bring back that shimmering Torco sign.

by CubFan81 on Sep 17, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

obviously

that is option numero uno…

"Career highlights? I had two. I got an intentional walk from Sandy Koufax and I got out of a rundown against the Mets." Bob Uecker

by mmaxon on Sep 17, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather see a number of smaller TVs around the ballpark

They could refrain from a jumbotron if they replaced the crappy tube TVs they have hanging from the upper deck and added some more in various areas.

Also, they could do something like they have in Seattle where DS owners can watch the game on their handheld.

by dr stabbingworth on Sep 17, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this

i brought my DS to wrigley once just to see if anybody was using pictochat, but forgot to even check it.

but yeah, i’ve been jealous of seattle ever since then.

by nathew on Sep 17, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably

the problem is, the existing structure needs work- a LOT of work. It would probably be as cost effective to redo the entire granstand.

They did a great job with the bleachers- they know what they have with Wrigley and can be trusted to handle it right, I think

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by tommy veryzer on Sep 17, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

100% agreed.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 17, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I was wondering

Not that it would be easy, but given the space limitations, down might be the best choice

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 17, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any rebuild...

would obviously have to leave the Ivy wall and bleachers intact as they are. It would take forever to get the ivy to grow back as lush and full as it is now. I remember the plan was to have ivy on the new exterior wall for the bleacher expansion but when I was there earlier this year it doesn’t seem to be taking. I’m guessing because there are idiots pouring beer and flicking cigarettes where the ivy is trying to grow but that’s neither here nor there.

I’m pretty sure that most people are in agreement that Wrigley needs an update of some sort. The exterior looks good from a distance but (to me at least) up close you notice the chipped plaster that was just painted over and the rusted chain link fences above and about a hundred other little things that could be upgraded without ruining the stadium.

by CubFan81 on Sep 17, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If they do end up completely renovating and rebuilding Wrigley

My only request is that they get the guys who renovated Lambeau Field. That company seemed to understand what it was dealing with. Granted, this most certainly be a complete gutting of the grandstand, but the company that did Lambeau understood the importance of history and passing a stadium generation to generation. Lambeau still has the poles from when Lambeau has an open air concourse. Some of the bricks from the old player tunnel was transferred to the new player tunnel. I personally think Wrigley needs a heavy duty renovation, I heard rumors the triangle building being more player friendly as well being more fan friendly. Build that and let’s see where we’re at.

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by TkGoUWGB on Sep 17, 2008 9:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember the new Mustang?

When I think of rebuilding Wrigley, I think of how Ford redesigned the Mustang a few years ago. They did such a good job of creating a new design that was clearly a tribute to the original great design.

The grandstand area could be rebuilt in such a way that nearly every seat is great, with the great sightlines that new stadiums have. The bleachers could be left as is. And the Marquee must stay (not the Marquis).

And…please upgrade food and beverages at the same time. How about some fine Chicago micro-brews to go with the Bud and Old Style? I live in San Jose, and the Giants’ [Your Name Here] park has incredible food and drink – upgraded when they moved from Candlestick Hole.

by vonde6 on Sep 17, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having taken a tour of Wrigley this past summer

(and I NEVER thought I’d see myself writing this), I agree that it’s time to SIGNIFICANTLY upgrade Wrigley Field. Taking the full stadium tour- you get to see areas of the park that most people don’t.

Frankly, it’s not pretty.

Very small spaces to work in for not only the players, but the coaches, managers (home and visitors), park staff, umpires, etc. It’s not not very user friendly. It literally falling down and crumbling in spots. I didn’t see any rats (sorry Ozzie), but I can see where they would be IF they are in fact co-habitating in the ballpark.

So it is with very mixed feelings that I agree with the sentiment that you rebuild the park on the present location- keeping everything in the outfield between the foul poles (but replace the foul poles with new ones) and build a new grandstand and concourse.

I agree that the manner that they rebuilt the bleachers gives me confidence that they can do it and still respect the essence of the Wrigley Field experience.

The real challenge will be coordinating with other ML parks to allow the Cubs to play their home games there for at least a year while this demolition and reconstruction occurs. No games at Wrigley for 1-plus years? THAT will be a big mental hurdle for everyone involved, but I don’t see how you do the job right unless you make that move away to play elsewhere.

Doing a reconstruct will ensure that the ballpark stays where it is and endures well into the NEXT century…

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by Zeke on Sep 17, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Where they should play

Wouldn’t US Cellular be the best place? The Yankees played at Shea during the 70s when Yankee Stadium was being renovated, so it’s not unprecedented.

"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979

by danimal15 on Sep 17, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, this makes the most sense

if Cubs fans can get past the whole “White Sux” thing. Splitting time between the Cell and Miller Park makes sense too…

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by Zeke on Sep 17, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They would play at the Cell.

The Cell was funded by the taxpayers, and it is technically owned by the city/state. The White Sox/Reinsdorf could protest all they want, but ultimately they couldn’t stop it.

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by Jimmyeatworld on Sep 17, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except all games against the Astros would be in Miller Park

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by wnielsen on Sep 17, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 17, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should also note that my comments are also

taking into consideration ballpark tours that I’ve taken at other parks- specifically, Seattle, Baltimore, Colorado and Detroit

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by Zeke on Sep 17, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Behold the Zen wisdom of Alfonso Soriano

“If we get something new, OK, but I have to think that we have this,” he said. “I like Milwaukee’s park. It’s beautiful. But I can’t think, ‘Oh, I want to have something like this,’ because then I’ll be upset. And I don’t want to be upset. I want to be happy. It’d be nice to have a new one, but we don’t, so let’s enjoy what we have. I know I have a lot of fun here.”

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by Gibbon Jockey on Sep 17, 2008 10:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+100!

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by drewishdrewid on Sep 17, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why I like Fonzie.

And why people who slap their one size fits all primadonna/selfish millionaire athlete label on him are so wrong. He is a laid back kid having fun playing baseball.

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by californiachicagoan on Sep 17, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How bad would traffic be in Wrigleyville

if the completely rebuilt the grandstand? Wrigleyvill is already pretty congested as is and I know some residents might get pretty upset about it.

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by Mordecai on Sep 17, 2008 10:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why would traffic be a problem?

They’re not going to increase the capacity that much.

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by Al on Sep 17, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant traffic during construction

It takes a lot of machines to first demolish the old building and then construct the new one.

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by Mordecai on Sep 17, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weren't they talking about permanently closing a couple of the roads there?

Which would be its own logistical nightmare, but there aren’t going to be any easy solutions here.

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 17, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you keep the outside look the same with replacing the grandstands?

plus they better get rid of obstructed view if they do put in new grandstands..

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by Chanman25 on Sep 17, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Meh.

I’m not much of a fan of the granstand exterior, especially the concrete and chain link that makes the ground level view. I believe that’s not how the field used to look.

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by N Oakley on Sep 17, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When they start the construction on "NEWrigley"....

couldn’t the Cubs just play their home games in Miller Park? Playing there has seemed to work out OK for us so far.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 17, 2008 11:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, except for the 90 mile commute...

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by Al on Sep 17, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slightly OT...

but does anyone know why Miller Park has ivy on their outfield wall? Its just below the scoreboard in CF.

by CubFan81 on Sep 17, 2008 11:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's actually not ivy....it's polk salad and it's new this year...

they planted it so they’d have sufficient salad for Fielder’s pre/post game meals.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 17, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Polk Salad Annie!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 17, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+75 BCB Points for getting the reference.

and a bonus 25 BCB Points for not calling me a racist.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 17, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

These are silly responses.

The non siilly response is that IS Wrigley Field ivy that was planted there from cuttings. Maybe there’s no surprise the Cubs do so well there.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 17, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there some story behind this? I find it hard to

believe that they would plant Wrigley iny at Miller. I don’t think I would want anything from Miller tainting Wrigley that way.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 17, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

There’s some of that at Camden Yards, too.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 17, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of like little Wrigley illegitimate children all over MLB.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 17, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. it's the Shawn Kemp of MLB.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 17, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, think older....

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 17, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

That’s it. You are way out of my league. I bow to the master!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 17, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said you were a racist. I said you were an insensitive bonehead. From me,

that’s a term of endearment. You’re my favorite BCBer, I would never insult you by calling you a racist.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 17, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ebony....and Eye-vor-eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 17, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are one sick puppy, you know. I want to party with

you sometime, cowboy.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 17, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

I agree that there are areas of Wrigley badly in need of repair, and I’m sure that the player facilities are not that nice but…

Something about the idea of tearing everything down but the outfield areas makes me wary. Remember when they built the new soldier field? How they said they’d leave the old facade and work the new stadium into it? Yeah, that worked out real well….

by hmlee on Sep 17, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe

the Soldier Spaceship is the vision that has most of us okay with major alterations of the grand stand. To go through the hassle and wind up with that would be even worse than not changing.

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by N Oakley on Sep 17, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

be careful what you ask for Jason Marquis

Do you want a Jumbotron displaying your era and win loss record in big bright lights?

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 17, 2008 3:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And his big ugly mug.

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 17, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

to be fair...........

and to not throw bad mojo before his start tonight…………….I actually think marquis has done extremly well this year, no complaints overall. ok with exception of coughing up a big lead against the Nats in August, other than that.

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 17, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

on the jumbotron question and next gen stadium.

why not just buy one of the rooftops across th street that has not so good of a view and build a screen structure on there? would be far cheaper and easier and do-able asap. Pay the people of the budweiser building to build the screen on their roof. why hasent this been done yet?

as for the clubhouses? but them both in the triangle building. put all the offices in theer, rebuild the concourses with the offices included. leave everything else how it is untul the steel is determined to be unsafe. then rebuild the grandstand add a layer of luxury suites like the press box is now but extend it out to the end of both sides. more seats whatever. just dont touch the bleachers, scoreboard. they’ve done enough there already..

my two cents as 27 year old lifelonger.

by meancubface on Sep 17, 2008 3:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thats why i said about the jumbotron at 11:08am about halfway up this thread

“im saying to replace the Miller billboard across the street on sheffield with a jumbotron in a partnership with Miller Brewing and the owner of the sign. When they aren’t showing replays Miller would have exclusive rights to show the billboard message that is always up and is changed every game. I have a friend who works on the Miller ad account and it costs about a half a million a month which im sure wouldn’t be too big an obstacle for the cubs and miller brewing to work out. This way, we keep the Miller sign and we get a jumbotron in right field that is not in the way of the rooftops and doesn’t affect the scoreboard.”

"Career highlights? I had two. I got an intentional walk from Sandy Koufax and I got out of a rundown against the Mets." Bob Uecker

by mmaxon on Sep 17, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here in AZ

the Bidwells only ponied up a portion to build the new stadium in Glendale and got paid back with the naming rights $ that the University of Phoenix delivered. They basically paid ZERO dollars for the place. Bidwell sunk $143 mil and U Of P paid $154 mil for 20 years. The majority of the funding was via AZ Proposition 302 where the hotel bed tax and car rental surcharge generated the money. The stadium doesn’t get all the dollars, it is spread around to the Spring Training facilities as well, but it got most of it.

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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 17, 2008 4:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've taken the tour, I've been to a ton of parks

Wrigley Field should stay as close to the original as possible. I like the triangle building for the clubhouses and offices if possible but the grandstand should be rebuilt (which it needs to be) in the same way it stands now.

Every new park (and I’ve been to Safeco, San Fran, Petco, Chase, Miller, Coors, GAB, Tropicana, Camden, PNC) has a 3rd deck and those seats at the top are usually terrible, I wouldn’t want 3 decks at Wrigley. The new “retro” parks are ALL the same. Even the good ones like AT&T/SBC/Pac Bell, Safeco and PNC are pretty bland after the first or second inning. Same food, same beer, same jumbotron and then one “quirk” to make it seem cool (a hill, a roof, a train, a sushi bar, a big glove, a bay, a river, a beach, a pool, whatever)

Everyone is getting all weey for Yankee stadium but the only thing left in that place from the original are the outside walls and the grass…..they ruined that place.

Wrigley needs work (any place that’s 90 years old needs work from time to time), but the reason the Cubs do well (in attendence) even when the team isn’t, is because of Wrigley. The owners of the new stadiums say they need them for more revenue….but look how many people show up to a game in Pittsburgh when the Nationals are in town or how many people head to Safeco for an exciting September matchup with the Royals. Everything in the power of the new ownership should be done to maintain the exact look and feel of Wrigley while making it safe and improving the clubhouses.

by Kooter on Sep 17, 2008 6:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

PNC...

has only two decks. The second one is separated into 200 and 300 level seating, much like Wrigley is separated into a 400 and 500 level. But two decks was part of the mission from day one.

I guess I don’t see the bland sameness in some of the new ones you mentioned. Pac Bell and Camden (to me) still hold up after quite a few years. Both seem as if they’d been there forever, and both still are an A+ day at the ballpark experience.

Safeco seemed interesting but maybe too big.

by bison on Sep 17, 2008 11:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow... I'm impressed

Good job, BCB. When I clicked on this thread, I was worried I would find a bunch of fire and brimstone “Don’t change anything!” malarkey. I am impressed to see the logic and reason here.

My point of view begins and ends with the team’s performance. I couldn’t care less about ambiance, atmosphere or tradition. Keep the fans safe. Make sure they have good sightlines and try to plan a reasonable traffic flow. Other than that, get over it.

Put it this way. If a magic genie came along and told me that the Cubs would win the World Series, but the price would be that the ivy would have to be burned down and never replaced. I’d set fire to the stuff myself.

I exaggerate to make the point, but the point is, I don’t care about Jumbotrons, ivy, scoreboards, bleachers and what-have-you. I long ago decided that my money was better spent not shelling out a couple hundred bucks for a game and I had just as much enjoyment in my own living room or in a sports bar.

I also realize I’m extreme. But I have never believed that Cubs fans would disappear if major changes were made. And if they were to, then well, there’s the door and there’s your butt. Don’t let one hit the other. More fans are on the waiting list to grab your tickets.

Now, the only major thing I can think of that would affect the team’s performance is player amenities. If the cramped locker room, small weight facilities and generally ancient plumbing and wires cause problems with play OR if they cause problems in recruiting or retaining free agents, then such things must change. Period.

BUT… it seems like the Cubs have been fine in getting and keeping free agents. The money the team spends is obviously the major part of that. Pinella might be another reason and the city of Chicago itself is likely appealing. There are a few other factors — such as day games allowing you to have a nightlife and the chance to be part of the first winning Cub team in 100 years. It couldn’t hurt, but I also don’t see it having a major impact.

And even if improving amenities meant we could get guys for slightly less money, there is no guarantee that money goes back to payroll to improve other positions. Most likely, it would go to paying off the renovations.

In short, it’s the owners’ money. They can do what they want. But what I want them to do first is what has a direct impact on the W-L standings. And the hurt feelings of fans who want to see games in the same place they saw them in 1973 has no impact on those standings.

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by DaBard on Sep 18, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They can put a lot of those amenities in...

… if they build the triangle building west of the park. Then, offices and a lot of other stuff that’s now IN the park can go in that building, leaving room for expansion. Or, they could build the weight rooms, etc. in the triangle building and put an underground walkway in for the players to get there — it still would be closer than in a lot of newer parks which are much larger.

There are a lot of ways to improve Wrigley while keeping most of the charm that makes it what it is. I look forward to new ownership doing just that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 18, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clearly, the ideal

is to improve while keeping the charm.

My point is that if one has to be sacrificed, then charm goes. Charm produces no wins. It merely produces drunk people screaming at women to raise their shirts.

Pluto will always be a planet to me!

by DaBard on Sep 18, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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