You Really CAN'T Win 'Em All: Cubs 2, Brewers 6
In comparison to the parade of what seemed like about 1,500 relief pitchers (okay, actually seven) that the Brewers trotted onto the mound after Ben Sheets left with more "forearm tightness" (who's going to give that guy any sort of big free agent deal with his injury history?), this recap of the Cubs' 6-2 loss to Milwaukee last night will be mercifully short, as the two teams are going to take the field again this afternoon in just a few hours.
Jason Marquis (who, I learned from today's Tribune, presuming a clinching is near, will have played on a postseason qualifier nine years in a row, though only actually IN postseason games three times, four if he gets into one this year) was wild in the first inning, after an 11-day layoff. That hurt him when Prince Fielder cleared the bases with a double down the right-field line. (Despite Milwaukee's 4-12 record in September, they do remain an actual good team.)
And that, essentially, was the game. Give Marquis credit, at least, for settling down and giving the Cubs the chance to get back into it; when Aramis Ramirez homered to make it 3-1, there was some hope, but the Cubs really didn't have any further scoring opportunities until the ninth, when they scored another consolation run off Brewers closer Salomon Torres. By then Angel Guzman and Kevin Hart had hit two batters in the seventh inning and the Brewers scored three more runs. There was one strange sequence in which it appeared that Corey Hart had stolen second base and Geovany Soto made a weak throw and Ryan Theriot made a half-hearted attempt at a tag, but Craig Counsell was hit by that pitch. The Yahoo play-by-play missed Counsell's at-bat entirely:
- R. Braun hit by pitch - P. Fielder singled to center, R. Braun to third - J.J. Hardy doubled to deep right, R. Braun scored, P. Fielder to third - C. Hart singled to left center, P. Fielder and J.J. Hardy scored - K. Hart relieved A. Guzman - C. Hart stole second - J. Kendall sacrificed to third, C. Hart to third, C. Counsell to second - M. Lamb hit for M. Stetter - M. Lamb flied into double play left to catcher, C. Hart out at home
Where's Counsell in that sequence? The PBP says "C. Counsell to second" on Jason Kendall's bunt, but how did he reach? It doesn't say. (Hart didn't actually get a stolen base. The ball must have grazed Counsell's shirt, because hardly anyone in the park noticed that he had been hit.)
Oh, well. Reduced to nitpicking about mistakes, I feel compelled to point out that there's one on the Wrigley Field scorecard from this series. Each series they put a bit of trivia involving the two teams on the top of the card; for this series it was noting "the most runs ever scored by the Cubs off the Brewers", and cited this game, a 17-4 win in the second game of a doubleheader on September 2, 2002.
Guess they forgot to check this year. You all remember the 19-5 blowout of the Brewers on April 30, right?
Enough. The Cubs now have to wait until at least Friday night for a division clinching party. They finished the regular-season home night game schedule with a 19-8 record; the remainder of the home season is all in the sunshine; the weather the rest of the week is supposed to be spectacularly beautiful early fall weather. As has been the case so many times this year, a win today wins the series and that's always Lou's goal. Today's pregame thread goes up at 11:30 am CDT.
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I SECOND that...
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on
Sep 18, 2008 8:32 AM CDT
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C'mon, say it decisively!
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 18, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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Yes, you're first.
I’m second or third, or something. Darn phone had to ring while I was reading the post…
Anyway…so, the Cubs won’t be clinching today—bummer, I’m going out of town and won’t really be able to watch games for a while…
by jdb-44 on Sep 18, 2008 8:33 AM CDT 0 recs
Not really disappointed...
It’s weird, but with the situation we’re in, I don’t really feel that bad about last night’s loss. I went to bed with a, “Meh, we’ll get ’em tomorrow” kind of attitude.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Sep 18, 2008 8:33 AM CDT 0 recs
I was disappointed...
…because I figured that, when Sheets was pulled in the 2nd, we were gonna walk all over their bullpen.
It was like someone had given us an early Hannukah gift and we forgot to open it.
by sniffy the bee on
Sep 18, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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I too thought we would be in business
but the consistency of which we hit is a little alarming. Not sure whether the players relaxed or what when Sheets went out. Clinching will happen soon. Would be nice to get the magic number down to 2 this afternoon to speed things along a little.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on
Sep 18, 2008 8:42 AM CDT
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Seemed a little flat last night...
Not a lot to cheer about.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Sep 18, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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yep. flat as a pancake
The next step will be the World Series -- Carlos Zambrano
by Emelie on
Sep 18, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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Does the mean the Brewers will be giving the Cubs several more gifts?
If so, I like that.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 18, 2008 10:58 AM CDT
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indeed
the first Channukah gift always sucked anyway. Underwear or socks. Today’s gift will be better.
But it will continue to be vegetarian.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on
Sep 18, 2008 11:16 AM CDT
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Damnit...
I was hoping for some brisket!
The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.
by sanantonecub on
Sep 18, 2008 11:16 AM CDT
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I will trade a win for vegetarian gifts.
Today only. And the vegetarian gift needs to be a Sombrero from the Fattest Vegetarian Alive.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 18, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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Well.
I see the Cubs have decided to wait to clinch until I am at Wrigley Friday or Saturday. Fine by me.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Sep 18, 2008 8:33 AM CDT 0 recs
Clinching against STL...
Would be very nice.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on
Sep 18, 2008 8:34 AM CDT
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True...
…but I still wish it would’ve been against the Brewers, our closest competitors this season.
by sniffy the bee on
Sep 18, 2008 8:35 AM CDT
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I heard them talking about that.... "lets wait until Dan gets here"
;)
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on
Sep 18, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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this is what we wanted
i’m praying the cubs clinch tomorrow night when i’m there! i know it’s sad and i shouldn’t admit this, but i wasn’t sad that the cubs lost last night……..
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on
Sep 18, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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I'll be on a plane to Toronto...
…as the game gets underway. Rooting for the Cubs from 30,000 feet.
Oh, and then I’ll be at a Jays-Orioles game tonight. Talk about polar opposite from what I imagine the atmosphere to be at Wrigley.
by sniffy the bee on Sep 18, 2008 8:34 AM CDT 0 recs
You can probably get front row to that game!
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by dtpollitt on
Sep 18, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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The picture of Geo
needs to be in his uniform. His picture was in street close and we lost last night, so I say from now on, the Geo pics are in uniform only.
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on Sep 18, 2008 8:37 AM CDT 0 recs
clothes...
street clothes not street close. -1 for me :(
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on
Sep 18, 2008 8:40 AM CDT
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Hmmm.
You might have a point here. That will be corrected today.
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by Al on
Sep 18, 2008 8:46 AM CDT
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Interesting observation.
The whims of the Baseball Gods are myriad. Git ’er done, Al.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 18, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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Didn't this whole streak start with Geo
in his Sports Illustrated shoot outfit? I think it worked then…
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 18, 2008 11:52 AM CDT
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Sheets
Watching on TV and backing up the DVR, you could see where Sheets grabbed his elbow after his last pitch. As much as I now dislike the Brewers, I can’t help but feel for Milwaukee’s very own Kerry Wood. Tough for their team, possibly even tougher for Sheets journey in free agency.
As for Merlin Dog’s post that came up while I was typing, please, no pictures of Geo “out of uniform.” This is a family site.
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by N Oakley on Sep 18, 2008 8:40 AM CDT 0 recs
I read an article
saying that Sheets said something to the effect of “My elbow’s been hurting for awhile now”. I just don’t like the Brewers or the Mets if either gets to the playoffs – they don’t have the rotations or bullpen to do much of anything, IMO.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Sep 18, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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i know what Al's saying about Sheets
however in this era of paying big bucks to pitchers (see lilly, marquis) i think he will still get a VERY generous contract…..i’m guessing 4 years, $60 mil
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on
Sep 18, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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I doubt he gets ANY deal without some sort of injury protection clause or option years.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 18, 2008 10:08 AM CDT
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I agree.
Sheets has done an admirable job of battling through this season, but the groin pull of a few weeks ago coupled with this recent arm trouble probably spells doom for his chances of getting a truly HUGE deal.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 18, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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i don't
outside of dempster, cc, he’s got to be considered the top pitcher out there
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on
Sep 18, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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let me amend that
i think he will get a big deal, however yes i agree there will be an injury clause
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on
Sep 18, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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Did Magglio Ordonez have something like that in his last contract?
He was coming off knee surgery and still got that big deal, but with a protection clause i think.
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by nji232 on
Sep 18, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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Yes, the Tigers were protected re: that specific injury.
If Maggs had gone down with the same knee injury, the Tigers were protected.
Obviously, it worked out pretty well for Detroit.
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by D98 on
Sep 18, 2008 10:30 AM CDT
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Most long-term contracts are insured
Sheets will get his deal from someone.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 18, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Assuming there are any non-bankrupt insurance companies still in existence...
…case in point, AIG.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on
Sep 18, 2008 10:42 AM CDT
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Hey! watch it buddy! I happend to be one of the OWNERS of AIG!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Sep 18, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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good example.
They are not bankrupt. Govt owned and operated, but not bankrupt.
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by N Oakley on
Sep 18, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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Yeah, not bankrupt thanks to SWL's (and my) pocketbooks!
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on
Sep 18, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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So you tapped Liddy for CEO?
Good pick.
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Sep 18, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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You mean Milwaukke's very own Mark Prior, right?
Because Kerry Wood has been healthy and fairly effective for well over a season now.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 18, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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True,
but imagine if he kept starting. Ick.
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by N Oakley on
Sep 18, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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Right, that would have been a disaster.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 18, 2008 10:05 AM CDT
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I should also say
I was comparing Sheets with a Cub.
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by N Oakley on
Sep 18, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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This is the thought in my mind as I woke this morning:
The Cubs trying to figure out seven Milwaukee bullpenners was like a student asked the question, “What is 257 + blue?”
I thought, like I’m sure most of the rest of you did, that when Sheets left in the third things were about to bust wide open. All it busted open was my desire to see what else was on TV.
Onwards and upwards, I guess. Harden can get it to two today, win the series against the Brewers, and set up a hopeful Division Championship party at home against our all-time rivals.
Go Cubs Go.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 18, 2008 8:41 AM CDT 0 recs
11 Games to Go (in regular season)
Magic number of 4. I’m guessing the Brewers and Astros will each lose at least 4 games over the remainder of the season. Situation pretty good, now get this done.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on
Sep 18, 2008 8:43 AM CDT
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Same here.
I would’ve begrudgingly accepted a 6-2 loss to Ben Sheets. No shame in that. But when he left the field, this game went from being probably losable to eminently winnable. To be honest, I’d never even heard of DiFelice before. I figured the Cubs would light him up. And if not him, at least one of the Brewers parade of reliever mediocrity. Not so, I guess. Not so.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 18, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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Yup.
In fact, the ESPN guys said 3 runs in the first with Sheets on the mound ought to be enough for a win. The announcer then tried to cover for the Cubs by stating they had prepared for Sheets, not the bullpen. I didn’t buy it.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 18, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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Officially Counsell was HBP
But I could not see the hit on the replays, and ESPN played it about 4 times
Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!
by Ihatethecards on Sep 18, 2008 8:41 AM CDT 0 recs
Can't see something that didn't ever happen.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 18, 2008 8:45 AM CDT
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I saw it on the WCIU broadcast...
…the ball barely grazed his uniform.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 18, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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That had to be it...
… we were all watching Hart run and figured he had a SB. Looked up to see Counsell on first, wondered how he got there.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 18, 2008 10:09 AM CDT
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Joe West didn't call ANYTHING... No one knew.
The Brewer announcers said, “Boy, West must have told Counsel to take his base.” No arms in the air, no point to first. Nothing.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Sep 18, 2008 11:18 AM CDT
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I really hope they
clinch it on Friday. Im out of the country and the cable company is actually showing this game live! pleaseohpleaseohplease!
by DaveKingmansMustache on Sep 18, 2008 8:45 AM CDT 0 recs
I hope they clinch on Saturday
because, let assume we win today. That drops our magic number to 2. Since we play a day game on Friday and the brewers play a night game, that means if we win Friday’s game our magic is one, so the only way we clinch on Friday is with a brewers lose. I would rather watch us clinch on the field with a win on Saturday then to clinch with a brewers lose Friday night.
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on
Sep 18, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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So you're asking for
A W today
A W tomorrow / Brew W
And a W Sat, doesn’t matter what the Brewers do?!
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Sep 18, 2008 9:05 AM CDT
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sounds right.
Im just mad I wont get to see it.
by DaveKingmansMustache on
Sep 18, 2008 9:06 AM CDT
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That sounds about right
plus if we clinch on Saturday I won’t be work while the game is going on. And since it’s national broadcast on FOX Saturday everyone gets to see us celebrate. It will be what is hopefully a preview of three postseason celebrations (NLDS, NLCS & WS)
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on
Sep 18, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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I like this thinking.
Oh, wait. I’m at the game Saturday.
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by N Oakley on
Sep 18, 2008 9:25 AM CDT
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I'd still take the earliest clinching possible!
I still laugh about how the Cubs watching the Milwaukee game last year in the Cincy locker room, and Dempster found a remote and changed the channel to “The Golden Girls”.
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by D98 on
Sep 18, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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haha never heard that story
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by cubswynn on
Sep 18, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Sep 18, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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Ha!
Love Demp.
Bottom line: clinch as soon as possible, by any means.
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by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 18, 2008 10:42 AM CDT
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TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Sep 18, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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What's the minimum a starter has to pitch to qualify for the win?
Is it 5?
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Sep 18, 2008 8:51 AM CDT 0 recs
yes, why?
"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus
by graceunderpressure on
Sep 18, 2008 8:52 AM CDT
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Because Sheets threw 2 last night.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Sep 18, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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did Al say he got the win? (I'm to lazy to reread the post)
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by graceunderpressure on
Sep 18, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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Wow.
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