Almost a week after Ike, the Astros are still whining.
I can't believe the lack of leadership in the Astros' clubhouse. Instead of making the players focus and play, Manager Cecil Cooper is allowing them to play with a t-shirt under their uniforms that reads: "Bud killed us."
You would have thought that almost a week after Hurricane Ike struck the Houston area, the Astros would have regained their composure and started playing baseball. Yet, they're still lifeless and sulking.
A good manager would have stopped the nonsense and would have forced the team to focus on the playoffs days ago. But I guess Cecil Cooper is bitter himself and is whining along with his players.
It doesn't matter to the Astros owner that by instigating all this whining he buried his team. The only thing that matters to him now is to deflect any blame from himself. And if you listen to the national media, Drayton McLane appears to have succeeded in his effort.
So, I ask the media: Isn't a week long enough to whine about this? Move on, please!
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I understand how they feel
That series at Miller completely cooled them off, probably for the rest of the season.
However I think their frustrations are misguided. I’ve been reading about them and their fans blaming everyone but their own organization, from Selig and MLB to the Cubs and Cubs fans. Maybe everyone is to blame. Maybe nobody. It’s just a little unfair to point fingers at everyone else.
by daeviant on Sep 19, 2008 7:34 AM CDT 0 recs
they did get hosed
but to keep lingering on it at this point does no good. Go out and play the games and play hard.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Sep 19, 2008 7:43 AM CDT 0 recs
Wow, no kidding.
A team with real leadership would have sucked it up and taken on a “let’s go get ’em!” attitude. Instead, they have whined themselves right out of the playoffs.
Serves ’em right. Maybe as further punishment they should be forced to play the 2009 opening series vs. the Cubs at Miller Park.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 19, 2008 7:43 AM CDT 0 recs
what nobody seems to mention
is the way Z and Lilly pitched, does it really matter where they were playing?
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 19, 2008 7:44 AM CDT 0 recs
Apparently yes
Because I read an Astros fan on the Trib message boards claim the Stros were “malnourished” coming into that series.
I’m sympathetic to the players’ dilemma, not knowing where the games were going to be, being exhausted from traveling, facing a hostile “home” crowd, etc., but they were only two games. If two games out of 162 are your make-or-break for an entire season, then you’re not as good as you think you are.
If the same thing had happened to the Cubs, I would have said they had no business in the playoff hunt to begin with. Houston got on a hot streak just before the hurricane and since have come back down to earth. That had just as good of a chance of happening without Hurricane Bud coming through.
by SplintChesthair on
Sep 19, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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Sympathetic to a point
I’m sympathetic to the players dilema at home and the human impact and toll Ike took and is still taking on them and their families. That being said, they are being paid a huge amount of money to be PROFESSIONAL baseball players, not act like disgruntled 12 year olds pouting like someone took their cookies. “Bud Killed Us” is ridiculous and assinine and is just creating an excuse for their crappy play. Give Z and Lilly their props, no matter where those games were played, they played a superior team and got spanked like the little children they are.
Time is an illusion--lunch time doubly so.
by snowyman28 on
Sep 19, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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To a point, yes.
I’m certainly not of the opinion that being booed at a neutral site destroyed the Astros’ spirits to the point they immediately dropped five straight. You have to admit the players got pretty righteously screwed over by their employer and, to a much lesser extent, MLB.
But again, only two games, suck it up and do your job the next day, etc., etc.
by SplintChesthair on
Sep 19, 2008 10:25 AM CDT
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At least the article.................
…………highlights McLane’s poor judgment, although it doesn’t go far enough in saying he is the root cause of the problem. Had he not been looking to line his wallet, the games could have been played elsewhere.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns
by tville on Sep 19, 2008 8:05 AM CDT 0 recs
Ya seriously, had the games been played somewhere like atlanta
the place still would have been packed with cubs fans. The only place they would have had a homefield advantage is houston which still would have had plenty of cubs fans. Heres to a nice long offseason for the ASStros
"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.
by CubsBall2202 on
Sep 19, 2008 8:29 AM CDT
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Son, you just don't know ..
I’d have had half of my church there and I would have lived in Atlanta .. only 2 hours away.
I’d like to have heard em whine then .. How pathetic. The attitude reflected in the article that seems to prevail is not of victim of bad circumstances but sacrificial lambs to corporate greed. While both have elements of truth in them, the plain fact is that a team will suck it up, put it behind them and play the games of their lives to contend. Berkman is right .. they are just stinking right now and are in a free fall meltdown ALA the Mets last year.
Too bad they can’t be a little more self-respecting about it
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on
Sep 19, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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It's not working, 'Stros....
….they’ve looked just as bad against Florida as they did against us.
At this point, I’m hoping they don’t win another game the rest of the year.
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Sep 19, 2008 8:41 AM CDT 0 recs
It's funny how Justice points to...
the Astros’ “professionalism and maturity” as reasons why they were able to get back in the race because they’re showing none of that now (a point he makes in the article).
Look hurricanes—and their aftermath—suck. I live in Florida, and I’ve been through it. You can’t expect the world to just stop and feel sorry for you though. Pick up the pieces and try to move on.
I hate to sound un-sympathetic (or is it empathetic… always got those 2 confused), but it’s a whole lot easier to feel sorry for someone when they’re not standing in the corner screaming (and making t-shirts) about how unfair the world is and how bad I should feel for them.
by hokie316 on Sep 19, 2008 8:51 AM CDT 0 recs
I think the writer put the blame where it belongs
He acknowledges the hardship, which there is some, but also put the blame on the owner and the players. I just read it now, and all the comments are blaming the team for not getting it done.
Looks like the perception may be turning.
And add me to the group that now hopes the Astros lose out the season. I also hope Cecil Cooper stays in the NL Central. We need more leadership like that for Cub opponents.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 19, 2008 9:04 AM CDT 0 recs
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by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 19, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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I think
They suffered from the same kind of thing many Cubs fans had after game 6 of the 2003 NLCS. Everyone blamed Bartman but slowly but surely, a great majority of them started to see things more objectively.
by daeviant on
Sep 19, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 19, 2008 9:27 AM CDT 0 recs
+1
I feel for the team, I really do. But their issue is with their own organization, not anybody else. Least of all Cub fans.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 19, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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indeed!
I faithfully scan. :D
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Sep 19, 2008 11:19 AM CDT
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Dr. Drew, your postulation is eminently ineffable

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on
Sep 19, 2008 5:49 PM CDT
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Given that the Cubs were already a near-lock to make the playoffs
is there anyone outside of Houston that seriously expected MLB to force the Cubs to play three makeup games between the scheduled end of the season and the first playoff game? The only way this works is if you assume that the Stros management was trying to get three games against the Iowa Cubs to finish the season. I’m just glad that it’s looking like that third hurricane game won’t be needed.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 19, 2008 9:38 AM CDT 0 recs
This is my issue with everything...
Look – my company is in illinois, suppose the same type of company is in Houston and they were hit by the hurricane and they had to close. Should i adjust my company drastically to meet their needs in Houston? No. I have to continue to run my company, and if i can assist people in Houston i will, but i cannot change everything i do because there was a hurricane in Houston. There are 29 more teams in the league, and yes it was devistating to the people in Houston, but 29 other teams have to contiune with there business.
Just because they all make millions it doesnt mean they are different from us. They still have jobs too and as much as we think they are in a different world then us, they are not. They put their pants on the same way.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
Sep 19, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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I hear you
I work for a national insurance company with tons of clients in the Houston area. We were putting together contingency plans and setting up catastrophe call centers a a week before the hurricanes hit. Everyone in the company was ready for it. The Astros organization is a business. They should have prepared, as well.
by daeviant on
Sep 19, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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I forgot to mention that we have about 5 offices in the Houston area, as well
And they were ready to evacuate and regroup in places like Dallas and Alabama.
by daeviant on
Sep 19, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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The I-Cubs would have beaten the Astros, the way they were playing. Plus Sec Taylor Principal Park would have been packed to capacity (11k plus, if everybody in the RF bleachers gets along). Maybe if they had played Boise…
In all seriousness, though, if two bad games ruin your season, maybe you should find another job, or grow some thicker skin. No, it isn’t fair that the best make-up stadium in the league happens to be our backyard. On the other hand, the Cubs ALSO spent two days wondering when and where the games would be played, and I don’t remember hearing any of our guys complaining about having to make last-minute travel plans. MLB screwed up (again); get over it and play the games you have left.
Blackouts. Suck. In. Iowa.
by znohitter on
Sep 19, 2008 9:52 AM CDT
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Not to mention that the Cubs were in mini-tailspin. They had to sit and wait, wait, and think about it for 2 more days before they get back to playing and get their minds off of it. (not to imply that I am not sympathetic to situation……but as long as we are bringing up all the other points..)
by cubsgirl2 on
Sep 19, 2008 1:49 PM CDT
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Yeah, all the analysts who say the 3 games should have postponed until the end of the season...
forgot to analyze how that put the Cubs at a disadvantage among the playoff-bound teams by forcing them to use their pitchers in meaningless games to them, and how that would put other teams at a competitive disadvantage against the Astros who would be playing against an unmotivated and nothing-to-gain team like the Cubs. Why should those teams bear exclusively the consequences of a hurricane that hit Houston?
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 19, 2008 3:08 PM CDT
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What all this ignores.....
…. is that the families of all players are spread out all over the country. It isn’t as if all the Cub wives, girlfriends (or both!) and children were all cozy in Chicago. Theriot and Fontenot, for example, come from Louisiana and if memory serves, that’s where they live. Wood is from Texas, and presumably his relatives are still there. Undoubtedly there’s more, but I’m too lazy to flip through the media guide right now. And so I doubt that all the Astro dependents were hunkered down in Houston. While certainly there was no small level of concern, this is being vastly overplayed. Sack up and play the game. The fans of the Astros should wish Jeff Kent was still there. He’d never abide those ridiculous t-shirts.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Sep 19, 2008 9:51 AM CDT 0 recs
Excellent point.
There are residents of Houston among the players from other teams and they have had to play without complaining.
Take Scott Kazmir of the Rays, for instance. His parents live in Houston and lost their home. They relocated to Kazmir’s house in Houston. Has anyone asked Kazmir whether the Rays should stop playing in the middle of the playoff run? Of course not, no one would dare to do that.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 19, 2008 3:05 PM CDT
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DeRoMyHero summed it up perfectly
if you look on last night game thread DeRoMyHero wrote following. I wish I had written this myself, but it’s good enough that it bears repeating here.
The ’Stros:
1. On Wednesday, insisted that they would play the series as scheduled.
2. On Thursday, given the option to move the series to a neutral site (Arlington, Atlanta, DC, etc.), insisted that they would be able to host the Cubs over the weekend.
3. Chose to "stay with their families" and ride out the storm rather than taking the option that everyone else would kill for — fly themselves and their families on a charter jet to a neutral city with a 5 star hotel that has electricity.
4. On Thursday night, reluctantly postponed the first two games of the series after the Cubs refused to fly down.
5. On Friday afternoon, refused to evacuate themselves and their families.
6. On Saturday morning, felt the wrath of Ike.
7. On Saturday afternoon, saw their entire city strewn with debris and without power.
8. On Saturday evening, reluctantly agreed to play two in Milwaukee after Bud informed them that they must play in a dome because they had to get two games in and their were no other domes available.
9. Spent all of Sunday bitching about playing in "Wrigley North" in front of Cubs fans instead of noticing that the bases at Miller Park are 90 feet apart and concentrating on playing baseball.
10. Spent Monday bitching further about how Bud had screwed them rather than concentrating on playing baseball.
And it’s all Bud’s fault??
I honestly hope that the ‘Stros don’t win another game the entire season.
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on Sep 19, 2008 9:58 AM CDT 0 recs
It's Bud's fault
as far as not insisting the games be played somewhere Sat-Sun-Mon. It’s like the All-Star fiasco all over again, only the Astros’ tailspin is making it look like he gets away with it this time.
Just imagine if that last game ends up making the difference, and needs to be played. How would you like to be the Cubs, on the Monday off before Game 1 of the NLDS having to fly down to Houston.. and the game is vital to the Astros and whichever team(s) they are contending for the wildcard with. If you’re Lou, do you send one of your top starters out there? Do you start Randy Wells? What if Soriano pulls his hammy trying to catch a flyball?
And then there’s the other teams, forced to watch a bunch of AAAA players try and save their season for them – it’s a no-win situation for us to be put in, and could turn into a farce.
So unlikely as it currently appears, I’m just saying that if this scenario does come to pass, it’s all on Bud for being his typical wishy-washy self, and failing to act “in the best interests of the game”.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on
Sep 19, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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It's Bud's fault for lack of leadership - Surprise!
…and for not telling Mr. Drayton to “just shut up”, get out of Dodge Thur night and play 3 Sat, Sun & Mon at Miller Park.
If they blame Bud for not shutting up their own owner, then fine. If they only blame bud, then I feel its just like so many political arguments; finger pointing and no substance.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on
Sep 19, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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It's ridiculous..
Spud should have said on Wed or Thur that they were going to play at XYZ park and that’s it. Done. No discussion needed. I kept wondering who was running the asylum while all that was going on.
by cubsgirl2 on
Sep 19, 2008 1:51 PM CDT
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See here
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/1999/09/29/ecu_flood/
Proud of my Greenville team in 1999
by mlern on Sep 19, 2008 10:09 AM CDT 0 recs
Thanks for linking to that article.
Good to see a Houston paper/Astros reporter stating the truth about the matter.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 19, 2008 10:12 AM CDT 0 recs
Cecil Cooper
is also a personal friend of Bud Selig’s going back 30 years. Members of the Bambi’s Bombers/Harvey’s Wallbangers teams are like family to Bud. Cooper knows that Selig wasn’t doing anything to try and hurt his team. But he let this type of whining continue out of some sort of belief that it was good for the team to have a scapegoat.
Ridiculous.
by Josh77 on Sep 19, 2008 10:18 AM CDT 0 recs
The most ridiculous stuff
The most ridiculous stuff I read or heard was bashing the Cubs for not flying down or refusing to fly down Thursday, apparently directly from Jim Hendry.
Oh my God the GM of the Cubs didn’t want to send his players into a dangerous situation. HOW DARE HE CARE ABOUT HIS PLAYERS!
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 19, 2008 10:24 AM CDT 0 recs
A lot of Stros fans were spinning it
to make it sound like this whole situation was caused by the Cubs “whining” about going down there. At least, that’s what I was reading last week. Like someone said, it seems like the Hurricane is Houston’s Steve Bartman.
Once it’s all over, I suspect a lot of fans will come to their senses and stop using terms like “malnutrition” and “bereaved” to excuse the Astros’ (seeming) collapse.
by SplintChesthair on
Sep 19, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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I seem to remember 2004 and a HUGE break for the Astros
as the Cubs were at the beginning of a tailspin at Wrigley on a ‘phantom’ HBP to Lance Berkman. I believe replays determined Berkman was never clipped, but he sold the incident well, much to the consternation of Michael Barrett. This contributed to a 4-run 1st inning off Kerry Wood. The Cubs were never really in the game, losing 15 to 6.
The game was August 27, 2004…
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN200408270.shtml
This series — this game, actually — started a 12-game Houston winning streak which was the major factor (along with the implosion of Dusty’s Cubs) propelling the Astros past the Cubs to the WC.
Payback’s a bitch, isn’t it?? Stuff happens.
On a ’lighter" note…This game also featured Kyle Farnsworth being hung out to dry in the 9th, as he was pounded by the Astros for 6 runs. Dusty wanted Farnsworth to finish out the loss. As the inning finally ended, Fansworth threw his glove into the stands— and subsequently broke his toe , effectively ending his season (I believe it was his toe) as he kicked an electric fan on his way to the clubhouse.
I think this game also started some of the controversy between Caray/Stone and Dusty/Kent Mercker, but I’m sure Al can clarify…
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 19, 2008 10:27 AM CDT 0 recs
Oddly Enough
The I-Cubs have had to deal with flooding at their park TWICE that I can remember:
This year, the floods here in DSM soaked the warning track pretty good. After a lot of nail-biting, the club wound up playing a game in front of a paid attendance of 0. Result: the I-Cubs won their division.
In 1993, the field was totalled. Plus all of DSM was without water and very hard to get to. I seem to recall a lot of rescheduled/relocated games. Result: the I-Cubs WON the American Association championship.
Floods aren’t hurricanes, and both of these floods happened in July, not September. But if an AAA team can work through this (and is smart enough to, y’know, make other arrangements to get the games in BEFORE all hell breaks loose), why would a MLB franchise, with a larger budget, more staff, etc. have ANY problem making arrangements?
I think the easiest solution is to force each club to come up with a contengency plan for nasty weather. If the league office had had one of these on file, Mr. McHesitate-and-be-lost would have had no room to complain.
Blackouts. Suck. In. Iowa.
by znohitter on Sep 19, 2008 10:31 AM CDT 0 recs
And we were all being sold the idea that Texans are tough.
I don’t think so. Not after this.
And I echo the sentiments above – I hope Houston doesn’t win another game for the rest of the season.
by MN exile on Sep 19, 2008 10:41 AM CDT 0 recs
LOL - Hadn't thought of that
“Don’t Mess with Texas” (or we’ll cry)
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on
Sep 19, 2008 11:48 AM CDT
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I'm rooting for the Astros now
A team with that little fight and that little spine will be easy to take out in the postseason.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on Sep 19, 2008 10:49 AM CDT 0 recs
There's a flaw in your logic
To get there at this point would show some fight
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by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 19, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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Not of the Mets and Brewers collapse
I hope they back in.
Actually, I hope they lose every game and get hangnails while doing it.
Pluto will always be a planet to me!
by DaBard on
Sep 19, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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We should get the Astros
a waaaaah burger with some frenchcries
Someday we'll go all the way.
by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Sep 19, 2008 11:28 AM CDT 0 recs
I remember the night the Astros clinched the Wild Card in the Juice Box in 05
I remember watching the Cubs file quietly out of their dugout and the last person sitting and staring at the confetti and screaming masses from the team was Matt Murton .. they focused in right in on him.
Now turnabout’s just fair play now, ain’t it?
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Sep 19, 2008 5:58 PM CDT 0 recs
Fitting as well
It also seems fitting that the Marlins took three in a row from them right after we took two. Weren’t they forced to play in a neutral stadium due to a hurricane a couple of years ago? I don’t remember any whining and press from that episode. They probably just sucked it up as a bad break, like most would do.
Of course, the Marlins only have a home field advantage if you like peace and quiet.
by vonde6 on Sep 19, 2008 6:24 PM CDT 0 recs
astros
bye bye see you next year. the cubs earned this and deserve this. no if,s and,s or buts.
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