Rest of Schedule: Cubs vs. Brewers
I made a series of comments in a thread earlier today and figured that I would consolidate them for general consumption here.
Right now the Cubs are 4 1/2 games up. That didn’t seem like too much of a lead to me until I started to actually look at the numbers. I went through the remaining schedule and looked at the series that are left. Here they are with the record that I would guess for each:
Cubs:
2 vs Houston (1-1)
3 at Cincinnati (2-1)
3 at St. Louis (2-1) – they look like they have quit
3 at Houston (1-2) – man are these guys hot.
3 vs Milwaukee (2-1)
3 vs St. Loius (2-1)
4 at NY Mets (1-3)
3 at Milwaukee (1-2)
I think that you will agree that I have been VERY conservative here and erred on the side of predicting more losses than I think that we will actually have. Even so, that shows a 12-12 record for the rest of the year. That puts our final record at 97-65. Doing this would require the Brewers to go 17-8 over their last 25 games to tie. Looking at their schedule, that is certainly possible, but it would require them to play really good baseball over the next month and the Cubs to play rather poorly. If the Cubs can find a way to split the NY series and take two of three from Houston in Houston or take both of these next two games, that pushes their record to 14-10 through the end of the year and 99-63 overall, requiring Milwaukee to go 19-6 to tie. I don’t think that this will happen ex Sheets.
Let's look at it a different way now. Taking the home/road win% for the year thus far into account, the Cubs to this point have won 69.8% of their home games. With 8 left that means we should expect between 5 and 6 home wins. (5.6) Lets give a nod to a strong schedule and say they win 5. With 16 road games left and a 52.3% road record, they should be expected to win between 8 and 9 of these (8.4.) Again, give a nod to a strong schedule and say that they win 8. That gives a record for the rest of the season of 13-11 and an overall record of 98-64.
The Brewers have 15 games left at home where they have won 62.1% of their games. This would lead us to expect between 9 and 10 wins at home (9.3.) Let’s give them the benefit of the doubt due to a weaker schedule and say they win 10. They have 10 left on the road where they are winning at a 54.9% clip. This would indicate between 5 and 6 wins there (5.5). Lets say 5 since 4 of these are at Philly and 3 in Chicago against the Cubs. This leaves them with a 15-10 record the rest of the way and an overall record of 95-67 giving the Cubs a 3 game division win. The Brewers will probably do a bit better than this, but this is what their season average would indicate.
Finally, let's look at this one final way in order to try to account for the strength of schedule difference a bit more. The Cubs record against each of the teams that they are playing for the rest of the year:
5 left vs. Houston. (6-7 so far) = 2 wins pessimistically.
3 left vs. Cincinnati (7-5) = 2 wins.
6 left against St. Louis (5-4) = 3 wins.
6 left against Milwaukee (6-4) = 3 wins.
4 left against NYM (2-0) = 2 or 3 wins (small sample size alert.)
This gives the Cubs 12-13 wins lets say 13-11 and an ending record of 98-64.
The Brewers have:
2 against the NYM (2-2) = 1 win
4 against San Diego (2-1) = 3 wins, again pessimistically.
6 against Cincinnati (6-6) = 3 wins
4 against Philadelphia (1-1) = 2 wins
6 against Cubs (4-6) = 3 wins
3 against Pittsburgh (11-1) 3 wins
This gives the Brewers a record of 15-10 and an ending record of 95-67.
My point is only that BOTH teams are going to have to play significantly different than their season long norms in order for the Brewers to catch the Cubs. Throw in an injury to Ben Sheets here if his groin strain does turn out to be something and it tilts the table in the Cubs favor even farther. Not saying that the Brewers can’t catch the Cubs or even that they won't, only that I feel pretty good about where we sit even after the loss of three in a row. Back away from the ledge, people...
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Cubs 12-12 Overall, 3-3 vs. MIL
If the Cubs post those records, then the Brewers would have to go 14-5 the rest of the way in games they don’t play against the Cubs to tie Chicago. I don’t see the Brewers doing that.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Sep 2, 2008 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In the extremely unlikely
While extremely unlikely. if the Cubs only go 12-12 the rest of the way (it’s amazing how goofy 3 game losing streak has made people) the Brewers would have to go 17-8 just to tie for the division.
In other words the Cubs who have an approximately 620 winning percentage would go 500 and the Brewers who have about a 600 would have to go 680.
I love how people keep saying Brewers had a good August. The Cubs did too. How frustrating Brewers must be,
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 2, 2008 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As has been mentioned elsewhere...
…the Brewers just went 20-7 in August, and they have a pretty weak September schedule. I certainly wouldn’t put going 17-8 past them. Now as far as the Cubs going 12-12 this month…OK, that does seem unlikely based on the fact that they’ve played plus-.500 ball in every month (except March when they went 0-1…ha ha ha…ahem). Nonetheless, I have a fever – and the only thing that can cure it is cowbell…er, I mean, a Cubs win. Pronto.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 2, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a funny way
In a kind of weird and funny way the way the Cubs have played all season makes 3 in a row seem much worse than it really is.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 2, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems doable...
… and also would probably make the Brewers the wild card.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 2, 2008 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As long as the Cubs are in the playoffs
I’ll take it. I think they’ll play better than 13-11 and win the Central, but coming off of 3 losses, it’s nice to know just how tough Milwaukee has it to make up ground if the Cubs just keep playing with their ‘Cubs Swagger.’
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 2, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
folks...
..I understand people are getting nervous and they want to be reasurred the Cubs will win the division by making what seem to be logical projections.
In the end, it never turns out the way you think it will. No matte how much logic you try and connect to it, shit happens in series you would never predict. Look at the last several years and how certain teams have caught fire the last month and others have floundered. Look at 04, the Cubs had what appeared to be an easy schedule and they completely fell apart.
I don’t see this team falling apart, but it is possible the Brewers apply significant pressure because they are capable of it. We’ll see.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 2, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fighting for the division
In a way I want the Cubs to have to fight til at least the second to last weekend. I worry if they clinch earlier a little of the fight will leave them. That weekend allows a home clinching but a week to set up the rotation etc.
I saw it elsewhere a movement afoot to get Hendry for a curtain call if we win any series at home.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 2, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
But I think Jim will wait for the cheers when Selig presents him with the trophy.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 2, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They way this is headed...
….I would think the Cubs could possibly be in position to clinch against the Mets in NY. Granted, those games will have significant meaning to the Mets as well and could make for a great finish before the Milwaukee series.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 2, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning 7 in a row and then losing 3 in a row....
I’m actually OK with doing that the rest of the year. Just not in Oct.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 2, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter who we play...
It’s how WE play. In this league, anyone can beat anyone on any given day. If we play good consistent baseball like we did in August, then we’ll have this division locked up.
That being said, we control our own destiny into the playoffs by playing the Brewers and Cardinals 6 times each this final month.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Sep 2, 2008 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Cubs and Brewers will both make the playoffs
At some level I could care less if we win the division outright or have to settle for the wildcard. All that matters is winning a World Series. 2003 Florida Marlins weren’t hindered by being the NL wildcard. Neither would be the Cubs.
That said, I think it is virtual lock that the Cubs win the NL Central and face the Arizona Diamondbacks in the first round. Which yes, causes indigestion considering our history against that team coupled with their pitching staff.
by MDBNIU on Sep 2, 2008 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To me there is a big difference...
in 2007 and 2003. Granted neither year did we win the WS but I’m not ready to say all that matters is winning the WS. That is obviously the end goal, but there is middle ground between that and getting swept out of the playoffs.
That being said, if the Cubs back their way into the playoffs, I don’t like their chances in the playoffs. I have no problem with them being the wild card but the losing they would need to do to get there would be a momentum issue.
"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard
by TXCub on Sep 2, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand...
…what you are saying, but this is really a goofy game and goofy things happen.
Look at the Cards in 06 they were up by 7 games on Sept 20th and almost blew it. Their world series counterpart (Tigers) were up by 10 games in mid August and they ended up blowing that and settled for the wild card.
Bottom line, you just don’t know how this stuff effects a teams playoff chances.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 2, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers have a scary schedule
They have to play the best team in baseball (or at least in the NL) 6 times in September. They are screwed.
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by wnielsen on Sep 2, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did I miss something?
Since when will the Brewers have to “win without one of their best starters”?
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Sep 2, 2008 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben Sheets
left yesterday days game early with a groin injury. I haven’t heard any word yet if he will actually miss any time (but to be honest I haven’t look)
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on Sep 2, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He left the game as a "precaution"
with a “very, very slight groin pull”. That’s quite an assumption to take that info and say he’s going to miss the next month.
From everything I read, it doesn’t sound like he’ll miss a start.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
by lemon20pie on Sep 2, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be nothing...
…But Sheet’s 179 innings is the most he has thrown since 04 and he has a long track record of DL trips.
Would prefer the Cubs win the division with the Brewers full strength anyway, so I hope he is ok.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 2, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an article...
…from mlb.com on the matter.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 2, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like what I heard was wrong.
I’ve corrected the post. Sorry.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Carey
by Archie on Sep 2, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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