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Why Is Nobody Talking About Theriot?

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At times this year, there has been a lot of debate about the value of Ryan Theriot.  His supporters poiinted to his high batting average as proof that the scrappy superstar was worthy of the high praise so many Cubs fans gave him.

His detractors pointed to his abysmal performance with runners in scoring position, his terrible defense and his bad baserunning to say that he needs to be replaced.

I started out with the detractors, but then moved over to the supporters because I really couldn't argue with a .315 batting average.  But then I came across this post.

Over the last two months, and particularly this month, Theriot's strength - hitting a lot of singles - has been waning.  At this point, it seems to me that, like last year, Theriot is out of gas.  I think it's time for him to find some space on the bench right next to Fukudome in the "thanks for what you did at the beginning of the season, but good memories do not win championships" section.

UPDATE 9/21 8:35 AM

People who are talking about Theriot's batting average over the course of the season are absolutely missing the point.  Actually, they are missing two points. 

First, the guy fell apart towards the end of last season and is doing it again this year.  He's out of gas.  He could have hit .600 in April and May, but it would not change the fact that now, as was the case at the end of last season, he's a .200 hitter at best.

The second point is that there is much more to judging a hitter than batting average.  Theriot's inability to hit with men on base is devastating.  And his pathetic slugging percentage (which was horrible even when he was batting .320) cannot be ignored.

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True, but is cedeno that much better? I think not

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by CubsBall2202 on Sep 20, 2008 12:55 PM CDT   0 recs

yes, he is.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 20, 2008 9:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why is no one talking about "winners"

Seems like Lou has seen something in Theriot from the beginning. With the season on the line and one play to make, do you want Cedeno or Theriot out there? Theriot lacks Cedeno’s gifts but it smarter and has better instincts.

Yes, he pooped out last year and might again—so rest him down the stretch but he plays game #1 in the playoffs. Call me a homer, but I’ll continue to trust Piniella’s gut since he’s with these guys every day. Everyone wanted to get rid of Dempster. Everyone wanted Wonder Hampster sent to Daytona or somewhere. OK, Howry I don’t quite get but I’m still with Lou. :-)

"I showed him the cheese then punched him out with the yakker." -- Eck

by kentmeister on Sep 20, 2008 1:07 PM CDT   0 recs

lol "is smarter"

didn’t sound very smart there…

"I showed him the cheese then punched him out with the yakker." -- Eck

by kentmeister on Sep 20, 2008 1:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rest him down the stretch?

The stretch is almost over.

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Sep 20, 2008 1:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Theriot is a very good utility player.

Hopefully that is his role next year. Hopefully we can sign Furcal in FA.

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by ARAM FOR MVP on Sep 20, 2008 1:25 PM CDT   0 recs

Sign a shortstop coming off back surgery?

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Sep 20, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know what there is to talk about...

that hasn’t already been covered. All but his worst detractors agree that as long as he sustains a minimum .700 OPS, he’s a net plus; which he’s done. He’ll have a light schedule over the next week, and should be in good shape for the playoffs.

Long-term, he’s probably not the shortstop answer, but I’d hope that we could all scrap this conversation for the rest of this year at least.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 20, 2008 1:34 PM CDT   0 recs

You're going to have to show me where I said that...

I said he was a net plus, and acceptable in the short-term.

There have been light-hitting shortstops since the beginning of baseball; most are still. Granted many have better gloves, but it’s not like the position has a long tradition of .900 OPS juggernauts.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 20, 2008 1:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You said that if he posts a .700 OPS, he is a net plus.

What about the rest of his game would allow a .700 OPS to be a net plus? A plus?!? Well, lets look at it this way. He is a decent to bad fielder, and his baserunning is atrocious. So how could posting a mediocre OPS make him a “net plus.” If he was good defensively, I could see your argument. But you’re telling me that a guy who isn’t good at any other aspect of the game is a “net plus” if he posts a .700 OPS. I really don’t get that.

by sackings108 on Sep 20, 2008 1:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Really?

Seriously, we’re saying this? There’s not a flaw in Theriot’s hitting approach?

Theriot is hitting .300/.377/.354 on the season, and has hit .287/.358/.367 in his career. This is not a slump, this is a player who isn’t very good at hitting baseballs in almost any sense. His hot April – not the rest of his career – is the aberation here.

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by cwyers on Sep 20, 2008 1:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To be perfectly frank, I keep expecting Theriot's extra-base power...

…to regress to the mean a bit and crawl up above the .060 ISO mark this season. And it keeps not happening. I really don’t get how he can hit for so little power.

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by cwyers on Sep 20, 2008 1:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe because

He’s not a power hitter?

by TheRamZamDLEE on Sep 20, 2008 1:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let me go ahead and beat my head against the wall here for a second.

We ready now? Good.

Okay, he’s not “a power hitter,” fine. But he still hits baseballs into play. I’m not expecting 15 home runs out of the guy, but his doubles and triples production is quite frankly astounding to me. You know who doesn’t have power? Juan Pierre. Juan Pierre lacks all kinds of power. Juan Pierre has 5623 PAs and only 13 home runs in his career. Incredible, right?

But Pierre at least hits doubles and triples now and again – with a .071ISO in his career he at least has some ability to hit for extra bases.

We aren’t talking about “not being a power hitter.” We are talking about “”http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?sort=isolatedPower&split=0&league=mlb&season=2008&seasonType=2&type=sab&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&minpa=0&hand=a&pos=all&startDate=null&endDate=null&qual=true&count=109" >having the third lowest ISO of all qualified starters in baseball." His walk rate exists but it’s nothing special. He has to hit .300 or above to come close to being a league average ballplayer.

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by cwyers on Sep 20, 2008 2:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I seriously think

Theriot stole your girlfriend or something. Or maybe he prank called your house one time. Your obsession with him makes me want to bang my head against the wall.

The Cubs have been the best offensive team in baseball for most if not all of the year. Ryan “I’m not good at baseball” Theriot has been the starting shortstop for said team. Give me all the numbers you want. You’d think the baseball genius that is Lou Piniella would be able to recognize a player with such a lack of skill

by TheRamZamDLEE on Sep 20, 2008 2:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That argument holds no water.

Just because they have Theriot and are good, doesn’t mean Theriot had anything to do with it. In fact, I’d argue they’ve been good in spite of Theriot being the starting SS. If they had a better SS, they’d be a better team.

by sackings108 on Sep 20, 2008 2:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe we should start sending the Loumalnatis

now to Larry Beinfest for the Hanley Ramirez deadline trade next year.

by TheRamZamDLEE on Sep 20, 2008 2:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is that necessary?

I mean, seriously, do you have to respond to a rational arguement about a ballplayer’s skill with a slate of personal insults? Is the only defense of Ryan Theriot that I must be a bad person for not liking him?

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by cwyers on Sep 20, 2008 2:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Personal insults?

I thought you’d be able to laugh at that. It was meant to be laughable at best. Sorry if you saw it differently.

I never said you were a bad person either.

by TheRamZamDLEE on Sep 20, 2008 2:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

dont worry dude

Apparently Ronny Cedenos Fan Club has infiltrated the BCB message boards. The only rational thing to do is change your mind and say that the guy who has played solid all year long HAS TO GO NOW. this is the perfect time to change SS- right in the middle of a post season run…
Geniuses

by Andre Fonseca on Sep 20, 2008 11:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

absolutely NO ONE

is saying that. Except you.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 21, 2008 9:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the post says we should bench him
I think it’s time for him to find some space on the bench right next to Fukudome in the “thanks for what you did at the beginning of the season, but good memories do not win championships” section.

So yea- just take the bet and let Ronnie play his way into making you stop hating on Theriot. Or do you feel like he already made his bonehead plays today and you would have lost on day 1!

by Andre Fonseca on Sep 21, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and

he’s been above .300 for most of the year, so isn’t he close to being a league average ballplayer?

by circuitclout on Sep 20, 2008 11:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it's the Eckstein factor.

I dunno. He had a burst there for a few games where he hit some doubles and even a triple. He was pulling the ball. Then, the bottom dropped out.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 20, 2008 9:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't get it

Cubs win the division, and we bash are starting SS. At this point in the season the only move is to put Cedeno in at SS, that is something Lou will not do unless Theriot gets hurt.
Theriot is an average SS, this discussion should continue in December.

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by Grockcubs on Sep 21, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Everyone Hates on Theriot

But every team has that one guy who just isn’t the best. Everyone expects the world out of every player. He hit 300 for the year and that’s great. Yes he lacks in other areas but god forbid every single player on this team isn’t a 300 25 HR 100 RBI guy. I swear, people need to learn that your team won’t be an all star team. Every team has its shortcomings and if Theriot at shortstop hitting 300 is it I will take that everyday of the week.

This also goes to DLee.. He grounds into a lot of double plays, go look at the list of highest GIDP. Tons of hall of famers on there. And last I checked there weren’t exactly a ton of 30 or 40 HR guys in this league. Everyone needs to calm down and understand that just because a guy isn’t an all star doesn’t make him worthless.

by niuhuskie224 on Sep 20, 2008 1:44 PM CDT   0 recs

Agreed.

I cant agree more, we would be better if we had a better shortstop. Heck, we’d be better if we had better players at any position… kind of how the concept of ‘better’ works…

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by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 20, 2008 2:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We'd be a lot better

with a better RF. I would be more concerned with that situation than with theriot.

by cubsmania on Sep 20, 2008 6:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey I have been a Theriot supporter but

I will always agree with that statement. This team would definitely be better with a better SS. But most teams would. I have always said that this argument is is pointless. Even though one side throws numbers at everyone else, they still back up their opinions…that the “stats prove he is absolute shit”. On the other side, where I have been mostly, we say that he has been “serviceable” and is fine for now.

Would I enjoy a better hitter at SS? YES. Do I think this team will lose if we keep him on the field and go with any other option we have? NO.

For what it’s worth, this fanpost reads pretty lame if you ask me.

Leon Durham starts by making fairly impartial statements and saying that he first was a “detractor” and then was a supporter. NOW…he says Theriot is absolute crap and begins citing the same stuff Cwyers and other Theriot haters usually list as their defense. It looks to me, like Leon simply read up on others’ theories and statements from the past and then put them down on the screen as his own. Kind of lame if you ask me but to each their own Leon.

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by Kinky Reggae on Sep 22, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh Adam, you just made my day

You are truly one of my favorite posters on this blog. You take everything so personally and you don’t let things go. By the way, tell Eryn I said hi.

What I did is called research. I know you don’t believe in it as you’ve shown over the years on this blog. You get into arguments with people, they cite stats, and you come back with absolutist theories that you pull out of your ass. In the thousands of posts you have made on this site, how many times have you actually taken a position, looked at developing or new research, and then changed your mind? I’m guessing none. Please prove me wrong.

In any event, for those who are curious, here is why Adam felt the need to add the personal attack – for the intellectual beating I and others gave him in July.

Now Adam, I know you’re going to have something clever to say in response. Well, clever by your standards anyhow. Chances are I will not respond, thereby ensuring you have the last word you are so fond of getting.

by Leon Durham on Sep 22, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nothing personal here...

well except my personal information that you continually share inappropriately while hiding behind your screen name. That seems to be an easy thing for you though…hiding. But hey, I have long since accepted that your unwillingness to share your information here in this public forum is simply an extension on the type of person you are. In case you hadn’t figured it out for yourself, I’m speaking of cowardly and weak.

But on to your fabulous claims. I, inlike you, have always stood by my assertations. I have always stated that I think Theriot is serviceable and does a good enough job at SS to remain on the field. You, on the other hand, have now openly admitted that you bounce back and forth on this matter and now that you somehow came across Cwyers’s previous comments listing all the numbers he has to back up HIS opinion on this subject, that you now have what you need to stand pat….for now at least. You can call it research if you’d like…I call it adopting someone else’s viewpoints and then passing their information off as your own “efforts”.

And to clear things up “Leon”, oh cowardly one who is so very scared to let others know who he is but isn’t concerned with others’ right to remain confidential here, I posted my ACTUAL opinion on your fanpost. It is weak and pointless. You are the one here who fails to actually “take a position”….at least one of your own.

As for my sister, I find it comical that you are now dragging her into this and sharing her information publically and inappropriately. My guess is, Eryn wouldn’t want to hear from a douchebag like you so I will pass on “saying hi” for you.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Sep 22, 2008 1:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks!

Another Kinky Reggae rant. Awesome. Thanks again.

I was hoping not to respond, and I will ignore most of the post, but I do have a couple of questions I’d love for you to elaborate on.

1) How is it that I supposedly tried to pass someone else’s ideas off as my own when I openly admitted that I changed my mind after reading someone else’s blog?

2) Along those lines, do you find merit in holding strong to your opinions despite new evidence proving it to be wrong?

by Leon Durham on Sep 22, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Should've known youaren't a man of your word...

but I’ll play your game anyway.

1. His “pathetic slugging percentage” was there all along…even when you were apparently “not arguing with a .315 BA”. The fact that you have now changed your mind based on someone else’s claims again, speaks to your character. Fact is, all you are doing is stating someone else’s opinions, supported by THEIR numbers, and then spewing it to us stating that , “People who are talking about Theriot’s batting average over the course of the season are absolutely missing the point. Actually, they are missing two points.” Admirable quality in a person.

2. Again, I have not been, nor ever will be “proven wrong” if I feel that what he does is “serviceable” and someone else doesn’t. Show me the publication that states and proves that the numbers that the people, whom you follow so blindly, use to measure a players value, is the one and only way to do so. If you can, then I will say I am wrong. Otherwise, you are asking me to flip flop the way you do on theings and therefore, I will answer yes I find merit in “holding strong to my opinions” and then leave out the other crap.

But now you can answer me this…why is it that you were so offended that I felt this fanpost was weak and possessed nothing that you yourself have anything to do with. Not only was it the same boring debate that never gets rsolved, but you added nothing of substance.

And lastly “Leon”…why is it you cannot share with me who you are? Why is it you continue to share my personal information, along with other members of my family, and then are too cowardly to share your own. It could possibly be the most unadmirable personality trait that you could display here. So I ask you this…share with me who you are. You can even e mail it to me at azweber9@hotmail.com. Otherwise, why should I ever not look down upon you?

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Sep 22, 2008 2:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll keep an eye out for that e mail Leon.

Again, I am guessing it will be pointless as you clearly love to hide behind your anonymity. But hey, if you prove me wrong and share with me who you are, I will post here, that you actually shocked me and perhaps aren’t such a coward. I know this means nothing to you and this is why I won’t expect much but hey, I can ask right? You keep asking me questions and I answer them so maybe you realize it’s only fair.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Sep 22, 2008 2:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

STOP THE PRESSES!

Leon Durham (who’s name I will not share in case he doesn’t want me to) e mailed me. He told me who he was, I still don’t know him despite his best efforts, and he sent me some real nice words. He and I are reall good friends now and wel…I now think Ryan Theriot sucks.

Dreams can come true children. Stick to your guns. You can make things happen. Thanks Leon, for being such a good friend!

Oh I sent you an e mail back buddy boy.

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by Kinky Reggae on Sep 22, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

welcome to the dark side-

moral choices are so much easier here…
bunnies= eat
flowers= trample

Life is good!

by Andre Fonseca on Sep 22, 2008 10:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually I was kidding

I got an email but it was simply berating me, calling me stupid and I still have no idea who this person is…kind of creepy if you ask me.

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by Kinky Reggae on Sep 23, 2008 8:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

me too

cyber-stalking

by Andre Fonseca on Sep 23, 2008 9:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess that is a risk we take

when we join a public community like this one.

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by Kinky Reggae on Sep 23, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think fantasy baseball has driven baseball analysis to be defined by individual stats.

It’s important to remember baseball is a team sport and how all 25 players (9 on any given day) fit together for 162 games. All I know is the 25 players that have made up the 2008 Cubs have been the best combination I’ve ever seen.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Sep 20, 2008 1:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Theriot's fantasy baseball stats are great.

Look at his steals and batting average. Theriot is wildly overrated in fantasy baseball, not underrated.

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by cwyers on Sep 20, 2008 1:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Which raises a question, why the heck aren't CS punished in fantasy baseball?

Because if that were the case, I doubt he’d be quite so valuable.

by sackings108 on Sep 20, 2008 1:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My point is all of these stats are available to fans

BECAUSE of fantasy baseball.

I think the team game (how the players fit together) is given less emphasis in baseball analysis because of the availabilty of individual stats.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Sep 20, 2008 2:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oy vey....

Why do we need to have this conversation at the best point of the year… was there too much positive thoughts going on in the threads that it became necessary to start a Theriot debate again… Ill say this, I was and still am a Theriot supporter.. has he pooped out a bit… yes …. has he been an intrigule (spell check?) part of this team getting to where we are…. yes… are we going to be in the playoffs… yes… is he our starting SS… yes… would you rather have a guy in Cedeno who hasnt played much because everytime he does he makes a stupid mistake although his potential talen is great (sound familiar? yea Corey Patterson), or would you rather a guy be in there who has been there all along on this fantasy ride we have taken to where we are? Ok, now lets pay attention to this game tonight!

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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Sep 20, 2008 2:27 PM CDT   0 recs

As Long As...

a Theriot baserunning gaffe or his limited range in the field don’t cost us a postseason game, I can live with him out there the rest of this year. I’m also hoping the downside of the other players (Z’s temper, Soriano’s fielding mishaps and getting picked off) don’t crop up at an inopportune time in October.

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by CaliCub on Sep 20, 2008 2:32 PM CDT   0 recs

See also...

Gonzalez, Alex, 2003, Cubs SS for a prime example….

Please put in Cedeno for defense in the late innings….

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by NotSure on Sep 20, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Theriot's biggest problem...

… is that he came into his prime in the generation immediately after Nomar, Jeter, etc. Suddenly, a SS who could hit for power seemed to be the norm, rather than the exception.

As far as I am concerned, I want my SS to be able to catch the ball and turn the double play. If he can contribute a league-average offense, great.

The truth of the matter is that Theriot is not as good as his lovers think he is, and he is not as bad as his detractors think he is. He is a capable shortstop, not a stud and not a shrub.

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by Ross on Sep 20, 2008 2:48 PM CDT   0 recs

Hard to catch the ball if you can't get to it...

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by Tate491 on Sep 20, 2008 6:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that blog post mentioned by OP was actually wrong

he’s 13th in the majors in RZR among shortstops, big diff

link

by PrincetonCubs on Sep 20, 2008 6:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The problem with RZR is that it excludes out-of-zone plays...

…and lists them seperately. Theriot has the fourth-lowest number of OOZ plays of any qualified shortstop, despite being tenth in inning played. He’s 13th in ZR as well, FWIW. (Later tonight I’ll try and post some updated defensive figures.)

At some point, it comes down to this: when your hitting and fielding are both below average, is it so wrong to point out that Theriot is below average?

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by cwyers on Sep 20, 2008 6:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Theriot is below average?

I get that defense is important and all, but Theriot’s defense isnt a liability and his bat (.298/.376) is fairly solid. They cant all be all-stars.

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by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 20, 2008 7:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There are more bases than just the one in major league baseball.

In order to properly assess a player’s abilities at hitting baseballs, you have to consider extra-base hits. If you care to ignore that, fine, go over there. But don’t presume that that’s the correct way to evaluate a player.

Taking a look at Batting Runs on Theriot’s BBRef page, he’s been about six runs below average so far this season. That doesn’t account for his impressive caught stealing totals, either.

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by cwyers on Sep 20, 2008 7:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

his SLG is below average

his BA and OBP are far above average. the only person getting on base better at SS in the NL is Hanley. I wish we had Hanley on our team, but Theriot is better than the other options.

by PrincetonCubs on Sep 20, 2008 7:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Batting average measures absolutely nothing of value...

…that is not measured by OBP and SLG. So really what you’re saying is, he’s above average in one thing and below average in the other. Geez, I wonder, are there ways we can compare the two to get an idea of a player’s overall value? And why yes, there are!

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by cwyers on Sep 20, 2008 7:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

After we clinch...

He’ll get ample rest til the playoffs.

In the offseason go after Jack Wilson, Bobby Crosby, or Chin-lung Hu. But I don’t see a lot of great shortstops out there.

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by Reddevil on Sep 20, 2008 4:03 PM CDT   0 recs

Its the classis question of

consistency vs. mercurial “greatness” — And that is using the word “greatness” very loosely.

I mean Cedeno can be as maddening as Soriano at times, but without the month-long tears.

I’m just saying the thought of Cedeno getting 140 starts scares the daylights outta me.

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by Reddevil on Sep 20, 2008 4:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs