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The "IF I told you in Spring Training" 2008 Thread

I bascially decided that it would be fun to have a thread that shows the achievements of the Cubs this year that you NEVER thought would have happened. I mean a bunch of intresting and unusual things occured this season for the Cubs. I'll start. Would you have believed me in Spring Training that:

 

1) On the final game of the season at Wrigley, the despised Jim Edmonds of the Cardinals would become a Cub hero and the fans would stand to honor him?

2) Reed Johnson and Jim Edmonds would be our platoon for Centerfield, not Felix Pie and Sam Fuld?

3) Ryan Theriot would finish the season close to hitting .300 and stay healthy most of the season?

4) Bob Howry would be virtually useless throughout the season?

5) We don't need Brian Roberts?

6) Soriano would be injured for two months and STILL hit 30 HR?

You Continue!

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4, yes

the rest, not so much

by nathew on Sep 21, 2008 5:09 PM CDT   0 recs

Ryan Dempster would win 17 games ( at least)

and be our best and most consistant pitcher. That is easily #1 for me.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 21, 2008 5:26 PM CDT   0 recs

damn! you just beat me!

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Sep 21, 2008 5:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wow seconds apart.

Weird

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 21, 2008 5:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

absoutely on Dempster

 Dempster’s success is by far the biggest surprise to me. On a team with really no individual player having a “career” year, with Dempster as the only exception.

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on Sep 21, 2008 9:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

DeRosa?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 21, 2008 9:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't go there!

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 22, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, man. My pic got pwned.

Ah, screw it…wasn’t that funny anyway.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 22, 2008 1:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

With no real standouts, Dempster is this team's MVP.

There are so many contributors to our success, but I can’t imagine losing Dempster for the entire season and winning the division. Can you?

Without Demp’s domination, we probably don’t trade Gallagher, and instead rely on Marshall. Our bullpen would be even more overworked and we would have lost many more close games.

That said, I could probably make the same case for DeRo, ARam, Soto, Woody, Marmol, the Edmonds/Reed platoon, Sori, etc. Can’t imagine games without any of them.

Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.

by IowaCubs- on Sep 22, 2008 9:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

here's one

that Ryan Dempster was going to be our most consistent pitcher and could even get some considerations for possible a possible Cy Young candidate

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Sep 21, 2008 5:26 PM CDT   0 recs

I wouldn't have believed that

Although I did think he’d be a better starter than a reliever. But I was more thinking 13-12 with and ERA around 4.00.

by Josh77 on Sep 21, 2008 11:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was worried about his stamina...

… having not started in five years, and his walks. Neither one has been an issue. Dempster’s been great. He won’t win the Cy Young, but he may get a vote or three.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 22, 2008 4:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he has, what...

six more starts? It’ll do. :)

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 22, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I figured he'd be like...

…a slightly better, more consistent version of Jason Marquis. Boy was I wrong.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 22, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

5 and 6 I knew

and I never ever thought Sam Fuld would be an every-other-day starter.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 21, 2008 5:33 PM CDT   0 recs

I think everyone agreed about Fuld, BUT

He was our second option then and it looked VERY likely that he would make the team

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Sep 21, 2008 5:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't recall it ever looking likely that Fuld would make the team.

He was a long shot in spring training and never really seriously competed with Pie there. Also, you seem to imply in your fanpost that a Pie/Fuld platoon was considered, and I’m fairly certain that never happened either.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 22, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought he had a decent shot going into Spring Training,

after his fabulous play in the Arizona Fall League where he was the MVP.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Sep 22, 2008 12:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Did someone say...?

fabulous

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 22, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If I told you:

we’d lost Z for nearly 6 weeks w/ shoulder trouble.
Soriano for 6 weeks with a broken hand.
Woody w/ a blister.
Dempster as your constant starter.

And that we’d win the division by 10 games in mid Sept. Would you have ever believed that?

"He's a pro. Me? I just try not to swear on the air.'' Bob Brenly talking about Len Kasper

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 21, 2008 5:38 PM CDT   0 recs

never......and thats the beauty of baseball

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Sep 21, 2008 6:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Corollary to Wood w/blister

NO shoulder/arm issues other than the blister

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 22, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

shhhhh

don’t let him know that

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 22, 2008 11:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I probably wouldn't have had trouble believing...

…that such injuries would occur. But, yes, I probably would never have believed that the team could overcome those injuries in the glorious manner that it did.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 22, 2008 10:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was gonna say Dempster, but...

Who would have figured that Soto would perform the way he has and potentially win rookie of the year?

Who would have guessed that it was a colaborated effort by all- not just one player with bloated stats- but all players with “average stats”?

Would would have thought Piniella would not be ejected more than he has?

Who would have thought that we would have at least 4 pitchers that would be a #1 on any other team?

Who would have thought that we’d get so close to the walk record? Never thought these guys would be so patient!

Can't wait for the Cubs in '08!!!

by fuzzycubfan on Sep 21, 2008 5:42 PM CDT   0 recs

Rich Hill would flame out and not be seen for most of the season?

Fontenot would show so much power?
We would get Harden without giving up one every day player and really only one good farm prospect?
DWard would struggle much of the year?
Casey McGehee would be the 2nd coming of Ron Santo?

(ok, just kidding about that last one)

Nobody cares about your fantasy league team

by carmen_fanzone on Sep 21, 2008 6:15 PM CDT   0 recs

Rich Hill

the Bermuda Triangle of the 2008 season.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 21, 2008 6:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And that the "Rich" that made a difference on the 2008 Cubs,

ended up being Rich Harden!

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Sep 22, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

forgot about Hill

hell this was suppose to be his breakout season. Looks like that’s a no

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Sep 21, 2008 6:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rich who?

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Sep 21, 2008 6:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You beat me to it

Hill was the guy I was really thinking was going to take the next big step. If you had told me back in March that he’d be completely ineffective and gone a month into th season and we’d STILL win 94 (and counting) games, I would’ve been, to say the least, surprised.

by bluekoolaide on Sep 21, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Remember all the Bedard comparisons

about their career projections? I feel bad for him though, he was so great in 07, especially since it was his first as a full time starter…..im really curious as to what theyre going to do with him next year.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Sep 21, 2008 9:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

After what happened with Bedard this year,

maybe those projections weren’t that far off.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Sep 22, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There was an update on Rich Hill...

…in Sunday’s Sun-Times. Here’s a link to the article – scroll to the bottom. Long story short, he will be pitching in the next few weeks.

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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 22, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Winter league.

well. I wouldn’t mind if he can actually come back. I dunno where he GOES, but it’s better than him being out of baseball altogether.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 22, 2008 1:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fukudome would prove

to be a poor hitter in his first season.

"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott

by Reddevil on Sep 21, 2008 6:45 PM CDT   0 recs

We would get Rich Harden

and trade gallagher, murton, and e. patterson

by Gurbal on Sep 21, 2008 6:45 PM CDT   0 recs

That was my biggest surprise as well

especially given how little the Cubs gave up.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Sep 21, 2008 9:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't it ironic,

that if we had traded for Brian Roberts, the Rich Harden trade most likely would not have happened.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Sep 22, 2008 12:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if we had traded for Brian Roberts

I strongly believe we wouldn’t be where we are today.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 22, 2008 1:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fun fact: Roberts made the final out at Yankee Stadium last night.

I know this only because I happened to be in my car listening at the time.

The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 22, 2008 1:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Mariotti resigns!!!

What a gift to Chicago. He is a puke who should never be allowed to write anything except perhaps instructions for feminine hygiene products.

by dagwood on Sep 21, 2008 6:56 PM CDT   0 recs

And Mike North

"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella

by derv on Sep 21, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hahaha

i get it. who better for writing douche instructions?

by nathew on Sep 21, 2008 10:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dempster

I was probably the most optimistic person on earth about Dempster outside of Dempster and Hendry but I thought 12-9 was realistic a 3rd or 4th starter type year nothing like what he did.

Go Cubs

by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 21, 2008 6:59 PM CDT   0 recs

Lots of surprises during this magical season...

I never expected Geo to be so good, so soon. I didn’t have a lot of faith in Wood as a closer. On the other hand, I felt very confident that Fukodome would be an impact player.
I guess what I’m trying to say is, “what do I know anyway?”.

by bluekoolaide on Sep 21, 2008 7:06 PM CDT   0 recs

I think Dome has been an impact player

in that he’s helped shape the team, and he’s one of those quiet “lead-by-example” types when he’s being very patient at the plate.

He hasn’t had the impact on the box-scores we’d like, but I think that will happen.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 21, 2008 7:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Everything's been pretty much covered above.

Remarkable that even with all the strange things happening, not only did the Cubs win, but did so going away, easily.

The best is yet to come.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 21, 2008 7:20 PM CDT   0 recs

How about this...

Not only did the Cubs win, but going away, easily – despite the fact that the Brewers traded for (and got one hell of a half-season out of) CC Sabathia, and both the Cardinals and Astros were surprise playoff contenders.

"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman

by hip2bsquare on Sep 21, 2008 8:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

how about the fact that

the cubs are really the only team to kick CC’s arse.

by nathew on Sep 21, 2008 10:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's not too surprising...

and I know it’s not a valid indication of skill as CC has been tremendous for Milwaukee so far, but he’s played some pretty iffy competition. In order: COL, CIN, SF, STL, Cubs, ATL, WASH, SD, HOU (before their run), 2x PIT, SD, CIN, Cubs, CIN.

He hasn’t seen the Mets, Phillies, Marlins, Dodgers or Diamondbacks before their recent struggles.

by CubFan81 on Sep 21, 2008 10:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not related to us

but if you told me Yost would have the Brewers in contention and still be fired, I wouldn’t have believed it.
I just keep wondering when that’s going to come back for them. I mean, by all accounts, there’s going to be a significant talent loss this offseason up there, and seeing how short term, what have you done for me recently memory works, if they are nowhere near contention next year, do the people who are happy to see him gone turn and say it was a terrible move?

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 21, 2008 8:07 PM CDT   0 recs

Answers below:

1) The way it’s worded “No” but I think the real story here is not the play of Jim edmonds with the Cubs, it’s the intense dislike that apparently many Cubs fans have/had for a guy who is really a solid competitor who did have just enough left in his tank to help this team.

2) “No” because I had no idea we would sign Edmonds then.

3) “Yes” but this is the way it’s worded. He’s really tanked at the end, like he did before.

4) “yes” Howry has been one of the most heavily used RPs in the game the past few years, eventually it catches up, especially to guys on the wrong side of 30.

5) “Yes”

6) "No’ but if you told me 25 I’d totally believe that.

by DudeVf11 on Sep 21, 2008 8:24 PM CDT   0 recs

Hey, we called meetings for the Jim Edmonds Fan Club at lest four times here

I think we finally saw a lot of the bitterness finally dissolve into acceptance. It was tangible in the threads.
There’s going to be a few hard liners and purists in any group, but I think Cub fans globally have accepted the Jimmy Ballgame era ..

It wasn’t a wasted time this year. Cub fans were extremely generous and supportive. At last count, the Jim Edmonds Fan Club numbered something like 541,092, there were a couple of scholarships to NW’s medical school being sponsored, adoption of endangered species being housed at Lincoln Park Zoo had begun and a charity roast of Lee Elia and Dusty Baker will be held at his restaurant in mid November, with Mr. Dempster emceeing.

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Sep 21, 2008 11:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What side dish choices are going to be available with the Roast Elia and Baker?

"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.

by Weeghman Park on Sep 21, 2008 11:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

15 chief cooks are recommending a generous helping of

Crow Lambeau slowly steamed just the way Mom used to make you eat it

Whipped Hot Potatoes delicately seasoned with habenero chips

Oh and they found several kegs of Old Style that had been stored under the bleachers since 1972.

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Sep 21, 2008 11:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who in their right mind though Fuld had a chance?

I mean come on.

  1. Just imagine if we had Roberts and DeRosa was the full time RF, granted this is with the benefit of hindsight regarding Fukudomes second half struggles.

I can only hope he comes back strong next year like Theriot did after a weak second half last year.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Sep 21, 2008 9:54 PM CDT   0 recs

My personal list goes as follows...

If you’d have told me the following statements six months ago I’d have never believed you…

…that Jeff Samardzija would have played a somewhat significant role for the actual Cubs, rather than the I-Cubs.

…that Michael Wuertz would get demoted to the I-Cubs after being a fairly solid reliever for the Cubs the last few seasons.

…that a highly touted (and personal favorite) prospect would twist a testicle, need surgery and still start the season with the Cubs. Seems like that kind of thing should require more time off.

I agree with most of the other ones posted, just wanted to add my own list.

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 21, 2008 9:55 PM CDT   0 recs

Every year...

..is filled with stuff you never could have predicted, and that is what makes this game as beautiful as it is.

All in all, Dempster becoming a top flight starter has to be number one to me in regards to a player who has stepped up above and beyond what most thought he could deliver. Also, I have been impressed with Soriano and his ability to still put up big numbers and also to avoid those long long drawn out slumps that streaky hitters can go into. Lastly, Reed Johnson and Fukudome have been a great stabilizing force to the club.

Keep that pitching going, and if you can give us an Edmonds and Fukudome who can contribute offensively in the post-season, I like their chances.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 21, 2008 10:55 PM CDT   0 recs

Slight correction...

…I meant Reed Johnson and Edmonds have been a great stabilizing force to the club. I haven’t given up on Fukudome, and still think he is going to do something positive (with the bat) in the post-season.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 21, 2008 10:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with you.

Yesterday was a real positive sign; he had two hits and hit the ball with authority and for the first time in a couple of months, didn’t look completely lost in the batter’s box.

I hope Lou plays him every day this week so he can get his timing back.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 22, 2008 4:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Answers

1. Yes I would have believed you, but I would have been upset that Pie wasn’t given the chance I thought he should have gotten. But it would not have surprised me to see Hendry go out and get a veteran.

2. My belief that Sam Fuld is not a major league ballplayer is well-known, so I wouldn’t have been surprised there. I’d have been more “disappointed” that Pie wasn’t playing. I did think that the Cubs would have gotten a platoon partner for Pie, so Johnson wouldn’t have surprised me.

3. Theriot’s play the first five months of the season has been a little surprising. His play the past month has been too, only the other way.

4. Howry had a pretty good stretch in May and June. But I’m never shocked when a 34 year old reliever loses it.

5. Never thought we needed Brian Roberts. Never really understood that one.

6. OK, this one would have been a little unbelievable. Soriano’s numbers when healthy have been the best of his career. I guess I would have believed you, but I’d have been very, very surprised.

Now here’s my turn:

1. That Jeff Samardzija would play a significant role down the stretch in the bullpen? I wouldn’t have believed that.

2. That Geovany Soto outperformed Jorge Posada? I’m probably going to lose the BCB roto league because I was all set to draft Soto, and then I realized Posada was still on the board. I said to myself “Man, I love Soto, but what are the odds that he’s going to out-hit Posada?” So I took Posada. It’s going to cost me a shot at the title.

3. That Mark DeRosa would hit 20 HRs? Never would have believed that.

by Josh77 on Sep 21, 2008 11:27 PM CDT   0 recs

wow just when i thought they'd all been thought of ..

the most obvious one hidden in plain view

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Sep 21, 2008 11:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Here's my few

1) That DLee would actually make me worry when he came to bat

2) That the Cubs would officially anoint Miller Park as Wrigley North thanks to a hurricane

3) That racist Horry Cow rags got as popular as they did

4) That Carlos Marmol finally showed he was human and could be hit

5) That Koyie Hill, bless him, would actually make it back to the big leagues

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Sep 21, 2008 11:54 PM CDT   0 recs

Oh, and that Jon Lieber's stay never quite took off .. first couple of starts threw us off

I guess he, like Chad Fox, are probably now footnotes of Cub history and will be home watching the playoffs.

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Sep 21, 2008 11:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would guess, though..

… that both Fox and Lieber will get voted at least partial postseason money shares.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 22, 2008 4:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lieber should get a share

but Fox pitched only three innings all year. That would be incredibly generous and loyal of the players to include a guy like that. You’d have to think Angel Guzman, Randy Wells, Koyie Hill and Casey McGeehee would also get shares then. Does Rich Hill get a cut?

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Sep 22, 2008 5:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's voted on by the players.

So they get to decide for themselves. Generally, players are very generous with their teammates. Michael Barrett got voted a partial share last year. I suspect the callup guys, and Fox, and Hill, will all get partial shares.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 22, 2008 7:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Remember that...

…even though Fox wasn’t on the field much, he was in the dugout a lot. I’m not saying his presence there had a material effect on the field, but the players may view Chad as having been a positive force behind the scenes. Same thing with Lieber.

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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 22, 2008 11:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't think of anything that hasn't been mentioned

but I will rank which ones are the most surprising to me.
1) That I would ever root for Jim Edmonds, let alone join the unoffical offical Jim Edmonds fan club.
2) That Dempster would be as phenominal as he has been this year as a starter.
3) That two of our stars, Z and Sori, would be out for so long and still have an excellent season

Honorable menti