City To Bars: Shut Off Taps If Cubs About To Clinch
Yes, you read the headline right: the city's Office of Emergency Management and Communications wants bars around the ballpark to stop selling alcohol in the 7th inning of any potential clinching game:
Ray Orozco, executive director of the city's Office of Emergency Management and Communications, said the proposed seventh-inning cutoff -- discussed at a playoff security meeting Monday -- would occur "only if it's a clinch game." Liquor sales could resume once the game is over, he said.
This is just a proposal and apparently it will be voluntary. It still has to rank among one of the dumber ideas I've heard. It won't stop the party and it wouldn't eliminate people doing stupid things, if they're inclined to do so anyway.
How about just increasing the police presence?
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I agree...
It won’t stop anything. Idiots will be idiots regardless of what time they stop drinking. People usually show up to these bars hammered (or close to it), so stopping sales around the 7th won’t drastically change anything. Also, if they clinched, I’m sure people would have their own stash of stuff right outside the bars somewhere.
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by CubsBullsBears on Sep 23, 2008 8:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Increase police presence could be worse
Al, coming from a younger generation who just got out of college the last few years police presence increased can always cause bigger problems.
I went to a college in MA and saw SuperBowl Wins and Red Sox world series wins. These guys and girls go out and riot on the campuses, in the city, where ever. They also tend to act up when they see police presence. Then the rubber bullets and pepper spray comes out and you’ll read the next day in the Tribune how the police screwed this one up.
I agree turning off taps won’t do anything for partying but I know how badly everyone wants Cubs to win it all and well more police just asks for more people to test them.
by ak123 on Sep 23, 2008 8:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I see what you mean.
They have to strike a balance; here’s hoping they do that.
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by Al on Sep 23, 2008 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Boston, they basically told people where they could and could not congregate following a win
So this way, people knew they couldn’t go right next to Fenway Park, because the police barricades were set up there. The first World Series win, the Boston Police messed up with the rubber bullets, but things were much more calm for the second Series win.
The riots weren’t in Boston; they were confined to campuses outside the city – UMass-Amherst springs to mind first (and they riot just to riot).
In Boston, I can tell you they didn’t shut off the taps, and I don’t think it would help in Wrigleyville. Increasing the police presence and allowing fans to congregate in specified areas would probably be the best bet, IMO.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been told
that you Can’t Quiet The Riot.
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by Fuk-U-Meter on Sep 23, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umass does not riot to just riot
I went there for 4 years. They only had the “riots” when they won Super Bowl and World Series…and one Spring Weekend when Cop presence was unncessary.
by ak123 on Sep 23, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot the sarcasm sign, sue me.
But Amherst does have reputation for being rowdy, and they certainly were after the Patriots and Sox winning.
Things in Boston were relatively tame, by comparison.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I recall
Wasn’t Boston the place where a college student was accidently killed due to police hostility?
by ak123 on Sep 23, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was.
I believe a canister from tear gas or something hit her in the head. The police mismanaged the situation towards the end of the night. I was in downtown Boston that night, and people weren’t flipping cars or setting couches on fire. For most of the night, the police barricaded the Fenway area and let people celebrate in other areas, which I think was effective.
I’m not trying to debate the merits of Amherst versus Boston, but I think you’d have to admit that the celebrations in Boston were much more tame than in Amherst, where it is solely a college town.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't in Boston so I can't agree
But I do remember hearing about that girl and the point of my post basically proves what you said about the police mismanagement of the situation.
And to be honest that’s all it was at UMass too. People were on campus cheering. Nothing had been damaged until police caused problems. Yea it was raucus but Boston really wasn’t that much better….
by ak123 on Sep 23, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the girl died, it wasn't better
But I think the Boston police was better prepared than the Amherst/UMass police, from what I heard. And I’d expect that with a city police department versus campus police. I’m sure it was like that on BC’s campus, too (without the couch burnings), but I didn’t hang around there that night.
I thought the police created a good situation in Boston, shutting down streets and letting people celebrate in designated areas. The planning was done well, the execution of it (by the end of the night) didn’t go as well.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
UMass had Boston police on their campus. They had them come instead of the campus police…
by ak123 on Sep 23, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess we're at a dead point
Wanted to debate this further :)
by ak123 on Sep 23, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody say it with me now...
“The police aren’t there to create disorder, the police are there to preserve disorder.” -Richard J. Daley
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by hip2bsquare on Sep 23, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad that we can't just have a little maturity
Celebrate like crazy. I’m all for that. But destroying property because your TEAM WINS? That’s just downright stu..stu..stupid.
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by Archie on Sep 23, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There seemed to be an increased police presence..
outside the park on Saturday. I spent about a coupla hours on the streets all around the ballpark and saw clusters of officers everywhere, but not once did I see them having to enforce any kind of discipline, or keeping anyone from going where they wanted. The only time I saw them do anything was clear the streets for a minute or two, when some emergency vehicles needed to get through, but then allowed the crowd to fill the streets again once the vehicles passed.
At one point, as I was snapping a photo, an officer inadvertently stepped in front of my camera, realized what he’d done, and quickly apologized. That’s how relaxed the police atmosphere was on Saturday…
by MillsChC on Sep 23, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea
Because it takes exactly 3 innings for me to sober up.
by daeviant on Sep 23, 2008 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If only they could ban
If only they could ban those moronic post game tv trips to the bars where we see drunk morons on TV that clearly hate their mothers. (Nobody who loves their mother would embarass her that much!).
It’s always some moron reporter saying “We’re here at moronic bar central to show how morons celebrate”
I always wonder if these people act this stupid when they are sober.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 23, 2008 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They should leave the taps on
It will keep people in the bars celebrating instead of congregating on the streets.
by gocubsgo22 on Sep 23, 2008 8:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's an excellent point.
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by Al on Sep 23, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough call all around
People are going to get hammered no matter the circumstance, and to compound it with extra police could also lead to overzealous law enforcement. Lets hope when this occurs ALL will use common sense. Yes I know, with 8-10 pops in the tank, that is tough, but at least we can hope for cool heads.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 23, 2008 8:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If they do turn the taps off, some will just probably
sit outside their building and sell beers to passers-by from their cooler.
by adam316 on Sep 23, 2008 8:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
couple other points
i was at a bar before saturday’s game watching iowa’s football game and the fire marshalls came in a didn’t allow the bar to serve bottled beer, rather they had to open up a bottle and pour it into a plastic cup…..the waitresses didn’t like it, but a smart idea if you ask me
also wrigley continued to serve beer after the 7th inning…..is this s.o.p. during day games?
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by cubswynn on Sep 23, 2008 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that makes sense
If they allow bottled beer to be sold, it could easily turn into a ‘locker room’ situation, with people spraying beer everywhere. Now, people can still toss cups full of beer, but I’d think that’s far less likely.
Plastic cups should probably be mandatory in the bars for the postseason.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that's a good point too
but from what i was told it was to prevent people from taking them outside and smashing them
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by cubswynn on Sep 23, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a safety issue too.
I don’t know why bars aren’t just handing out plastic or aluminum bottles these days. The glass ones are definitely a safety hazard.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 23, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its common in the French Quarter in New Orleans
Every bar and club has a stack of cups at the door to pour your drink in before you leave. You can walk around the quarter with a drink so long as it’s not in a glass container.
by NOLA_Cub_Fan on Sep 23, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8th inning for day games.
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by Al on Sep 23, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a pretty ridiculous proposal
people will continue to drink via other routes. Are they going to try to make Gold Crown Liquors At the corner of Clark and Sheffield close too??
by siwook on Sep 23, 2008 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
big gov't loves to get bigger
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by cubswynn on Sep 23, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is a case of trying to let cooler
heads prevail. If the Cubs do win it all, I expect a lot of pent up emotion to come out. Couple that with alchohol and the Chicago police force’s tendency to handle things hamfistedly, you could really have a volatile situation. If the police let the drunks wear themselves out and don’t commit violence it will be OK. If a few cops feel like cracking a few heads, it could get ugly.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 23, 2008 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It may work, Al.
The 3 innings left in the game should last for about an hour. That’s enough time to let the alcohol go through the drunk’s blood stream, reducing the levels of alcohol in their bodies and in essence, sobering them for awhile. That may give the police time to avoid any bad situations, by reducing the number of severely drunk people in the streets immediately after the game.
This is similar to what teams do when they stop selling beer after the 7th inning.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 23, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yabbut...
… as pointed out above, if they stop serving, that will make people want to leave the bars, causing more overcrowding, and possibly more trouble, in the streets.
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by Al on Sep 23, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al
I don’t know about you Al but partially due to safety and also to celebrate in house I plan on staying in the park as long as possible if they win at home.
I have the feeling fans will be there 3 hours ish after the last pitch partying.
If it’s on the road I will be celebrating at home with family and friends. I’m too old to go down and party!
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 23, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love...
how it’s presumed that everyone in the area is an overconsuming drunk.
Unless emergency management is going to compensate establishments for the lost revenue, this just makes no sense.
by Damen Jackson on Sep 23, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. That's the downside of it.
More arguments against this measure would be: (1) People will just hurry up to order drinks in the 6th inning. It’s easier in a bar than in a ballpark. Still, they will have an hour to “sober up.” Whether that’s enough time is another matter. (2) The bars will lose revenue. But see (1).
In the end it’s all about helping the police control a huge crowd. I would rather see more policemen on the streets that night than creating a nightmare for bar owners, but who knows, it may work.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 23, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or...
people will figure out that they should start buying up several rounds of beer during the 7th inning to last them through the rest of the game. And with more beer sitting in front of them, they’ll end up drinking it faster. This seems to be one of those solutions that could create more problems.
by Short4Fanatic on Sep 23, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get to the 7th inning
of a clinching game…..I can tell you for sure that I will NOT be fighting my way to the bar to order a drink.
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by tony412 on Sep 23, 2008 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
i’m staying away from anything that will prevent me from remember every single part of that glorious night
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by cubswynn on Sep 23, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it!
Happy sober thoughts.
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by IowaCubs- on Sep 23, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck
I’m sure bar owners would love to cut off their revenue stream for an hour or more during their busiest times.
Here’s an idea, how about the the State of Illinois not collecting tolls during rush hour?
by Jobu on Sep 23, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there is no way that this would happen
everyone is making too much money off of it.
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by mjk83 on Sep 23, 2008 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love the hypocrisy by the city...
…they helped create this monster by issuing the liquor licensees allowing massive expansions to existing buildings (Casey Morans, John Barleycorn and most egregious is the new massive beer garden next to Sluggers on Clark)
The city that works – we will fine you, ticket you, tax you and then we are going to try and regulate how you celebrate as well.
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by JB 23 on Sep 23, 2008 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Little Help
I have a meeting in Chicago ending next Thursday afternoon. I changed my flight until Friday morning
What will the bar scene be like around Wrigley. Any insight from those who have been there in previous years would help
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by parrotinct on Sep 23, 2008 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The bars in Wrigleyville will be packed with people watching the games....
…and there will be lines to get into most of them after the game itself ends I suspect.
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by JB 23 on Sep 23, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about pre-game?
What’s a good time to get into one of these places?
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by IowaCubs- on Sep 23, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I guess that would rule out...
our thoughts (at least here in Iowa) of going to hang out in Wrigleyville and the thought that some company would pay to have some big screens put up outside so we could watch. And the hope that maybe a beer vendor or something would be there?
by bleed that blue on Sep 23, 2008 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All this is going to do is
make people drink where there isn’t a ban like the Southport Corridor.
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by Mordecai on Sep 23, 2008 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This happened during homecoming at the University I went to...
The police closed the bars three hours early and some idiots started a riot, flipping over cars and breaking windows.
The one thing you don’t want to do to those addicted to alcohol is tell them that they can’t get their fix.
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by IowaCubs- on Sep 23, 2008 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where was that..
if you dont mind me asking
by bleed that blue on Sep 23, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
University of Northern Iowa
Cedar Falls, 1996
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by IowaCubs- on Sep 23, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking
thats where you were talking about. I live here in CF.
by bleed that blue on Sep 23, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VEISHEA?
As a proud Cyclone (aside from Football Season) I can tell you first hand that shooing people out of the bars, which will probably happen if you turn off the taps, added to the mass of people that would probably be down there anyway, mixed with a large police presence leads to nothing but bad things.
Out of the 80 or so VEISHEAS that have gone on the two that turned into riots involved closing the bars early and sending ticked off people to the streets at the same time coupled with an overzealous police force trying to move all those people towards home acted pretty much like a piston firing in an engine- all it takes is a small spark to ignite. Considering the number of hours you’ll have to show up ahead of time to make sure you have a table or spot at the bar at anywhere in Wrigleyville I think it’s safe to assume you’re going to have an ungodly number of drunks for any clinching game.
Tragedy aside, I think Boston handled things as well as you could. My best friend walked out of a bar near Fenway that night and ended up facing a tank-like troop carrier telling him to keep moving. There were a lot of “no go zones” that night that people were herded through, but also plenty of places a controlled number of people could congregate and depressurized if you will.
by GSG on Sep 23, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not only were they getting people out of the bars
they were pushing people from both sides moving them into each other…..silly ames cops
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by cubswynn on Sep 23, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and UP the hill on Welch Ave...
Poorly planned and executed.
The best advice is to keep the bars open in order to avoid clashes between fans in the bars.
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by IowaCubs- on Sep 23, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've booked my flight...
to Chi-town for the beginning of the NLCS.
But maybe I should confine my drinking to the Southside.
by sniffy the bee on Sep 23, 2008 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Alternately, I'd settle for...
someplace just far enough outta Wrigleyville that it won’t be completely nuts.
by sniffy the bee on Sep 23, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me
I don’t know about anyone else but I’m more likely to want to get drunk if they LOSE.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 23, 2008 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But when would you allow the taps...
to start flowing again? This doesn’t make any sense. Would there be an arbitrary time?
Are extra inning games factored in?
This won’t happen. How can it? Tell a legit business you ’can’t sell’ for a few hours? In a crappy economy? I think lawyers would be lining up for this one…
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 23, 2008 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For that matter,
shouldn’t you extend this ‘ban’ to any store that sells liquor? Sounds fair (and absolutely absurd) to me…. and, if the Sox clinch….shut off the beer at McCuddy’s. (But after Tuesday night….good luck!)
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 24, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
This is what happens when you insist on electing an airport-bulldozing, ballot-box stuffing, truck hiring hack.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2008 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The worst thing is
The worst thing is nobody competent has been put up against him.
OVerall he’s done a good job with the city of Chicago and is the only competent person in state, county or city government.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 24, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, bottom of the sixth, 2 outs
my buddies and I order 3 beers each.
Problem solved.
by JFCubFan on Sep 23, 2008 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So
So instead of anticipating the Cubs about to win it all and being happy your main concern is making sure your BAC is 40?
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 24, 2008 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense
one an inning assuming game ends in nine. If you can handle it, by all means do so. I would assume you can therefore I (or anyone else here) cannot judge you soley based on that comment.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Sep 24, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love city gov't
and that blathering south side ‘mayor’ bitching the bars won’t lose any money.
What a great way to try to absolve yourself of responsibility (or at a minimum, reducing it) by putting constraints on others. Way to go city of Chicago, you are a classic example of how personal responsibility has gone completely out the window oh these past 20-30 years.
23rd district police is right there at Addison and Halsted. How hard can this be? When my cousin was still alive, he always volunteered for these types of patrols. When there was a large and noticable police presence the schenanigans was greatly reduced. It’ll never be totally stopped by can be significantly controlled.
Hell, they can do it like at Chicago Stadium years ago. Announcement early: “The orange jacketed men are Chicago Police Officers. They will arrest you for disorderly conduct”. After that program began, fights and disorderly conduct were kept to an all time low.
Besides, this now is the time the CITY OF CHICAGO should be STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE and showing they have control of their operations. They DO WANT the 2016 summer Olympics, correct? Now is not the time to hose crowd control when the IOC is watching.
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by blackhawk24 on Sep 24, 2008 6:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's just me
Maybe it’s just me but the first thought when the Cubs win the world series will not be how drunk and stupid I can get but how exciting it is.
Wah Wah I won’t be able to get drunk when the Cubs win it all. Cub fans want to celebrate not worry about how drunk they can get.
I’m more likely to want to get drunk if WE LOSE!
Of course being a mature adult the focus of my life is not getting drunk and acting dumb on tv.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 24, 2008 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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