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I just finished reading a blog post by Steve Rosenbloom saying that nothing was acceptable for the Cubs this postseason other than a victory in the World Series.  He said "to publicly declare that anything less is OK is a self-inflicted Cubbie Occurrence."  My apologies to all for my inability to figure out how to get the URL on here (though some of you may appreciate not having to read that drivel).

I'm really ticked off about this.  I have posted a response saying that he isn't going to ruin my season by declaring that all is lost if they don't win the Series.  If the Cubs don't win the Series, Aram's walk-off homer vs. the Sox doesn't go away, the 9-1 comeback vs. the Rockies doesn't go away, the comeback last week against the Brewers with two outs in the ninth doesn't go away, etc.  That's the thing about baseball, the good things stay with you. 

I smile everytime I see the video of Santo's kicking his heels at the end of a Cub victory.  I tingle everytime I see the replay of the Sandberg game in 1984.  I get chills when I think of how it felt to watch Kerry Wood shut down the Braves in the '03 playoffs.  Those things haven't gone away merely because those teams didn't win the World Series.

I have to admit that, in the response I posted, I said that I felt that the Cubs had to, at least, win the National League pennant to avoid having a bitter taste in my mouth.  It is true that I will be severely disappointed if they don't do that.  But, I have started wondering what you guys think. 

So, let's hear it.  What do the Cubs have to do to make this season a good one, or have they done it already?  I think Rosenbloom's attitude is just plain wrong.  And acknowledging the possibility of not winning the Series, or even the NLCS or the NLDS is just plain realistic (the Cubs, who I think won 88 games in '03, beat the Braves, who I think won about 103 games, so that stuff happens). 

Or is even talking about the possibility of less than complete success the "Cubbie Occurrence" that Rosenbloom thinks it is?

 

Poll
Do the Cubs have to win the Series for this to be a memorable season for you?
Yes, definitely
64 votes
No, it's been a great season regardless of what happens.
85 votes
I'll be happy if they win the NLDS and the NLCS.
40 votes
I'll be happy if they win the NLDS.
0 votes

189 votes | Poll has closed

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Saying that the whole season will be essentially be wiped out

without a WS victory is a litle bit too strong for me. It’s been an incredibly exciting, sometimes frustrating and very memorable season regardless. That being said though, I also have to admit that I’ll feel something of a letdown if they don’t at least MAKE the Series.

by bluekoolaide on Sep 23, 2008 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

It’s going to be memorable no matter what happens. If we don’t win it all, it will be “that year we had a really awesome team and still couldn’t do it.”

by Brett Taylor on Sep 24, 2008 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

We haven't won in 100 years, I don't see how anything less than a World Series win

would be acceptable. This team has all the pieces in place to seriously make a run at a championship, unlike last year. Time to get the job done this year

"This is why Major League Baseball does not need instant replay, because then every single play will then be reviewed." -- Joe Morgan, 5/18/08, referring to an umpire ruling a Carlos Delgado homerun foul when replays showed it hit the foul pole.

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 23, 2008 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

How long have you been waiting, really?

Personally, tho I understand the “100 years” bit, I’ve been waiting since 1965 (high school). So that makes it 43 years.

Agree with those who say that “only WS win is good enuf” implies that all the WONDERFUL games we’ve enjoyed this year are meaningless…& they most certainly are NOT!

by Section 527 on Sep 23, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Lou...

…is the one that started this after they clinched, and its pretty obvious why he proclaimed the season wouldn’t be wasted if they didn’t win the World Series – TO TAKE PRESSURE OFF HIS PLAYERS.

I’d guarantee, Lou wants to win the World Series as much or more than anybody. The fact is, he has been through this as a player and as a manager and he knows its more difficult (with the 100 year burden over your head) if you have some of these clueless media people asking the players about the 100 year drought thing everyday.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 23, 2008 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I think

you should take things in stride, given the source. This guy is one of the biggest hacks in Chicago journalism (if you can call his writing that—he writes the bridge column!!) history. Let it slide.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Trust me...

…I do take what 90% of the media says in stride, because most have no clue what they are talking about.

Its all about shock value and gloom and doom with these guys, and they make no effort to try and figure out what is meaningful and what isn’t.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 23, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course.

Well said. However, what I find disconcerting is how his editor—a man I know and respect—still gives him assignments.
The Cubs are lucky by having good writers covering them—for the most part. I do tend to trust the local writers more often than not, though.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be very disappointed if the Cubs don't win the pennant

But look back at the poll on memorable games — 19! October can’t erase March 31 – September 28.

Rosenbloom’s Mariotti-lite. He used to be in the paper during the Trib’s “in your face” sports page era. It was bad then, it’s bad now. Fortunately, the paper realized that didn’t sell and they got rid of him, Bayless moved on, Joe Knowles, etc. Anyway, I take whatever Rosebloom says with a grain of salt,

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 23, 2008 3:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think any fan of any team, let alone any player on any team,

could ever be truly satisfied without winning the WS. No fan nor any player starts Spring Training thinking “Gee, I hope this is a memorable and exciting year”.

Every season has memorable moments such as comeback wins or no-hitters or milestone HRs, but without a championship (not merely an appearance), it’s all for naught – especially this year, with this team, and especially 100 years since the last one.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
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by lostinthevines on Sep 23, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

The point being

that Rosenbloom aimed for the cheap shot.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Sep 23, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not winning the WS would not take away the good

stuff that has happened this year but would be put on the pile of prior should have won it years. I look back on ‘69, ’84, ’89 etc. and sure there were good games to remember but then I think of what the end result was and feel bad all over again. I’m tired of that feeling as I know all of you are, so in a way this year is for naught, if we do not win it all.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Sep 23, 2008 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

'89 was not a shoulda won

we were crushed by the Giants who were crushed in turn by the A’s. No way we deserved to be WS champs that year. Ditto ’98, which featured a plucky team that was way out of its league against the Braves. But 2003 should be on your list — we were better than the Marlins, the team that ultimately won it all.

by Orval Overall on Sep 23, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rosenbloom is a poor man's Mariotti

and that’s the nicest thing I can say about that hack.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Sep 23, 2008 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

You know where I didn't hear Rosenbloom say this?

On the radio.

And why is that? Because he is a nasally voiced, nearly unemployable polemic who should stick to poker (there’s a “sport” for ya!), and stop being so plain in his efforts to annoy Cubs fans.

*Synth intro to "Jump"*

by SouthsideCub on Sep 23, 2008 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

All the good times during the season are nice but they

pale in comparison to winning the WS. This seems to be a particularly touchy subject with many Cub fans who don’t like to admit that the season will be minimized without a World Series win.

The fact is, the reason we go through this exercise every year is to win the championship. I don’t feel it somehow taints the efforts of the team to admit that. Cub fans seem to be sensitive to this because we haven’t won in 100 years and it’s tough to admit that that much time is wasted.

The thing to ask yourself is “Do other successful teams accept anything other than winning it all?” I know we don’t like being compared to the Yankees, but they are the standard by which other teams are measured. Like it or not it’s a fact. Replace Cubs with Yankees and think how their fanbase would react to the statement. That should be your answer. Aspire to be the best. Anything less is unacceptable.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 23, 2008 4:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Bernstein on the SCORE radio station says the same thing.

He says the season is a failure, for ANY team that doesn’t win the WS. I don’t look at it that way and I have not approached this season that way. I told myself at the beginning of this journey to just enjoy the ride and to not put expectations on this team. And this season has been the most enjoyable of my life. I am not going to change now. The fact is, the best team doesn’t always win in the playoffs. In a 5 game series a teams depth, that helped them win an 162 game marathon, might not help them. Anyway, I love this team and I will continue to enjoy the ride, wherever it takes us.

by Rick B on Sep 23, 2008 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I wonder if he thinks

the Rays 2008 season will be a failure if they don’t win the WS.

For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.

by Less is Walrond on Sep 23, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he does and I agree. The Rays expectations shouldn't

be any different than the Cubs or the Yankees, otherwise what’s the point? I don’t necessarily think that the season being a failure is a bad thing. Not succeeding makes you work that much harder the next time to achieve your goal. The goal every season should be to win the championship. If you don’t win it you haven’t made your goal. That’s not the end of the world. People fail at things everyday and the sun rises the next day and life goes on. Just because you fail. it doesn’t make you a failure forever. Failure makes you work harder to achieve sucess and that’s the point of the exercise.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 23, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is the truth

Look, Im tired of settling for “well the playoffs where just fine with us” Losers say that, you play to win, and you win when you hoist a trophy over your head.

Why waste all the emotion, effort, sacrafice only to poop out in the 1st round?

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

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by Galvan316 on Sep 23, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have every right to approach it that way. I would also love a championship.

But I refuse to say this year has been a failure if they don’t win the WS.

by Rick B on Sep 23, 2008 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

But it will be!

Because they dont just award a championship to the team that had the most “best moments”

Are we scared of winning it all? Seriously whats going on here folks?

Im sick and tired of the “Cubs Suck” and the 1908! and the Billy Goat, and the Cat and the Bartman, and the whatever and the this and the that.

I Want my beloved to win a World Series, I want to see “Go Cubs Go” played before “We are the Champions”

People we’ve seen our hated rivals win the WS in 2005 and 2006 you really want to listen to all these jackamos telling us for another year how much we suck again?

OR

Would you rather it be, where you wear your Cubs WS CHAMPIONS HAT every day?!

SERIOUSLY PEOPLE

"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager

SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .291 29 HR 72 RBI

by Galvan316 on Sep 23, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course people would prefer to win it all.

But the last six months have been awesome, baseball-wise, and if we don’t win it all I refuse to throw away all positive memories of the 2008 season, just because somebody else out there insists that the season was a failure.

by HereComesASpecialBoy on Sep 23, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one is asking you to throw anything away. Of couse only one

team wins it all and the rest don’t commit suicide. No one is asking you to throw away your memories. It’s not an all or nothing proposition. Just don’t be complacent. Don’t say “Well, we had some good moments so I am satisfied.” That is a losing attitude. We should be pissed off if we don’t win because we have the best team and we deserve to win it all.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 23, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Cubs dont win the World Series...

…it’ll be a shame, because this team has a very good chance to represent the NL… but… Being satisfied with a season like this is not a bad thing. The point of rooting for a team, above all else, is to be entertained. If the Cubs were the most boring team in the world the first time you watched them, I doubt you’d have become a fan. This is, after all, entertainment. Its a game.

Personally I will be satisfied regardless of the outcome of the season (with the only expection being if the Cubs are swept in the NLDS) because I was entertained for six months by this team. There were plenty of highs, and game winning hits, and amazing pitching performances. More than last year. More than many years combined. This was the best year to be a Cubs fan, and for that I will be quite satisfied.

I wont be thrilled to see them exit the postseason early. I want to see a World Series victory for the Cubs, but if you’d have told me in Spring Training that the Cubs would make the playoffs and be the best team in the NL during the regular season, I’d have been more than satisfied with that.

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 23, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed the same roller coaster ride as

you did and I was thrilled everytime the Cubs won and was disappointed everytime they loss. No one is asking you tou throw away those memories that are so dear to Cubs fans. That is not the point. The point is that we should not be satisfied with 100 wins, a division title or an appearance in the world series. Anything less than a championship will be a disappointment. If you are not in it to win it all, why bother. Wins in July are nice but they are only a means to an end. Being disappointed over winning a championship doesn’t mean the season never happened. Strive to be the best. Anything less than the best is not achieving the goal.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 23, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats just silly talk!

I want “We are the Champions” to be played first, followed by Go Cubs Go. (And Yes, despite the fact that I meant that to be funny, I also mean that in a serious way… there’s something about “We are the Champions” that would stir a LOT more emotion than Go Cubs Go. Playing Go Cubs Go AFTER it would just be too special.)

In response to the part about the ’05 White Sox and ’06 Cardinals… I dont care that they won it all. It doesnt bother me that Cubs fans are taunted by them because of it. In fact, I made calls to congratulate my friends after each World Series win by those teams. If the Cubs dont win it, I really dont care who does.

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 23, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

This has the possibility to be...

…the best Cubs team/season I’ll have ever seen. The only damper that can be put on this team would be another NLDS sweep. If they win the NLDS, I’ll officially brand this season a complete success and anything else they do is just extra-special.

That being said, I want a World Series and I’ll be a bit disapointed if they dont make it that far. They’re the best team in the NL and as such the expectations are a bit higher, especially if they can get past the NLDS, which is a lot of luck and a little talent. One bad game and you could sink the series.

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 23, 2008 5:22 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

This is the most reasoned thing I have read here...

… and the way I approach it, and more importantly, the way the players have to approach it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 23, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Ive made this argument before and it usually doesnt go over well… But there’s something to said about being a winning team. Sure, every team wants to win a World Series, but only one team WILL win the World Series.

The Cubs are having an AMAZING season. There are memories I have from ’98, ’03, ’07, etc, that I will always treasure, but none more than this: The Cubs played their 2008 season like they were the best in baseball, and regardless of what the playoffs determine, they WERE the best team in the NL in 2008. Thats quite the accomplishment.

As Cubs fans we’ve not gotten to enjoy the success of a franchise like the Braves, who won countless division titles and expected to win one every year. We’ve usually had to scratch and claw just to make the playoffs (which made those seasons extra fun), and the fact that this year’s team was a contender wire-to-wire and dominated for good portions of the season means that this year is already a success and in my opinion makes it EVEN more fun. Its FUN to expect to win.

This is the best team Ive ever seen take the field for the Cubs, and I’ll consider it that whether they win 11 playoff games or if they get swept.

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 23, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Up to now...

… the best season I saw in my lifetime was 1984. If you’re too young to remember that (I don’t know how old you are, but I know many here are too young), that season felt a lot like this one — miracle comebacks, great wins, stellar individual performances.

When they lost in spectacular fashion, it did put a real damper on our happiness. But we thought we’d be back the following year — it didn’t happen, for various reasons, mainly injuries.

Looking back, it was still wonderful and filled with great memories.

This team has a chance to give us more, and memories that we’ve never experienced before. Me, I can’t wait for it all to begin next Wednesday.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 23, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree Al...

…that was a well balanced club (not unlike the 2008 version) and I thought they were a better team than the Pads.

Whether they could have beat Detroit (who were world beaters that year), I don’t know, but they were certainly good enouph to win the pennant.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 23, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your right...

…As I’m 22… but this team is the NL favorite, and this is a first for me…

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 24, 2008 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unbelievable coming from you...

Already bracing to be an apologist for this team. And people wonder why this franchise is branded the Luvable Losers. Sorry Al, anything short of World Series victory this season is unacceptable. You’ve been a diehard even longer than me and surely you understand that the 2008 Cubs are in the best possible shape of any Cub team dating back to the 1940’s. This has got to be the year.

by MDBNIU on Sep 23, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

and if they don't win the WS?

then what? Will you stop begin a fan? Because that would ALMOST be worth it.

95 wins (with games to be played still). Best record in the NL. Division champs. Poised to go deep into the post season. But the playoffs are a CRAP SHOOT. There is NO WAY to know what would happen. See: Cardinals, White Sox, Marlins, etc.

Just about everyone here wants them to win a WS. But if they don’t, it certainly doesn’t invalidate the season of a team that’s the best Cubs team we’ve seen in a very long time.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disappointed? Maybe. Ruined? No.

Here’s the thing… the playoffs are a crapshoot. A few bad days and your season is over. It can happen. I have spent the last 6 months watching the Cubs get to this point. The 1-in-30 chance is about to be down to 1-in-8. Better, but still a longshot.

So, yes, I would be disappointed if they don’t win it all, but it won’t ruin the season for me. I have had too much fun.

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband

by Ross on Sep 23, 2008 6:11 PM CDT reply actions  

They need to at least win the pennant.

The Cubs are undisputedly the best team in the National League, and anything less than a World Series appearance would be a failure IMO. If they lose the WS I would still be disappointed, but its tough to say that they are clearly better than the Angels, Rays, or Red Sox.

"That’s what I love about my skip, man. He’ll tell you that you suck...I know I suck. We know we suck...Yeah, we suck. But we’ll see who sucks at the end."
- Gary Sheffield

by DrGalazkiewicz on Sep 23, 2008 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Failure?

This team has been the best in the NL all season, and they’d be a failure to not make the World Series?

In a 5 game series anything can happen. Thats what makes the playoffs fun. But over the course of a 162 game season you can determine who is the best and who isnt, and the Cubs have shown they’re the best in the NL. I wont let a hot streak for another team or a cold streak for the Cubs determine the success or failure of this team. They’re the best team you’ve likely ever seen, and if thats a failure, then thats your opinion.

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola

by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 23, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you don't win the championship, you

can’t claim that you are the best team. You may feel it, but reality says otherwise. Success of a sports franchise is measured in championships. Think of the teams that win championships like the Yankees, the Bulls and the Patriots and compare them to perinneal losers like the Nationals, the Clippers and the Lions. Ask youself, which teams are successes and which teams are failures and which group do you want to be associated with?

The personal experience of the 162 game season is great and no one is trying to take that away, but aren’t we here to win it all? Isn’t that the big prize? If we don’t achieve that goal, we haven’t suceeded. We had a great ride, the memories were awesome, but the main goal was not achieved.

A failure is not the end of the line. Failure makes you crave success that much more. To truly be the best, you must achieve the goal. Anything less should leave you wanting. The great teams are defined by their ability to overcome adversity and come out on top. Having a good year is not in that equation. Champions crave championships and we should want to be champions.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 23, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well said...

…and there have been many teams who appeared to be the best during the regular season, yet get beat in the playoffs. I am sure the Braves felt they had the best team many of those years they had 13 straight division titles, yet only one championship. Of recent vintage, the 06 Tigers were beat by a team with a much inferior regular season record and there are many others.

This is precisely the reason Lou is trying to take the pressure off his players by saying the season does not become a failure if you don’t win the World Series. He knows how pressure can effect teams and he is trying to relax them as much as he can.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 23, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree to a certain extent...

..5 games should not negate 162. But the Cubs have a better rotation and lineup than the rest of the league, and should be the most rested by next Wednesday. If they lose the NLDS, there’s really no way to characterize that other than a choke.

"That’s what I love about my skip, man. He’ll tell you that you suck...I know I suck. We know we suck...Yeah, we suck. But we’ll see who sucks at the end."
- Gary Sheffield

by DrGalazkiewicz on Sep 23, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Choke...

…is a bit strong, as many teams with superior regular season records get beat all the time in the playoffs.

I would label it more of a dissappointment as opposed to a choke, unless they lose in such a way were it is obvious the pressure caused them to fold.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 23, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The ability of the Cubs

to make the post-season two years in a row, to be dominant without anybody hitting 30 homers or batting .350 or having a 20-win season, and to find a way to get everybody in the clubhouse involved and hot at different times so they prop each other up is (to me, at least) far too impressive to be blemished by a poor post-season performance, end of debate. Yes, I want to see the team make the series and break the 63 year absence, and a win over the AL would be bender-worthy. But as much as those would mean, think about what having a team that makes the playoffs EVERY YEAR for a decade or more means. Not only did we get a shot last year, and not only do we get a shot this year, but next year we are going to have the biggest glut of talent at spring training of any NL team (and maybe any team in the majors). Thanks to Mr. Hendry and Mr. Pinella, this is now a THE model organization from top to bottom, and poised to be the next great dynasty in baseball.

Do I want my team to win the series? HELLS YEAH! Will I be upset if we don’t? Of course. But do I feel better about the team’s future now than I have at any point in the past? Absolutely. And no matter what happens in October, I will still spend the winter dreaming of the beast slumbering beneath the vines.

Blackouts. Suck. In. Iowa.

by znohitter on Sep 23, 2008 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

How would you feel after those 10

years if we didn’t win a single championship? Jim Kelly was interviewed after he retired and was asked if he would give up all of his Super Bowl appearances for one title. He answered yes before the question was completed. He said that winning the Super Bowl was all that mattered. He said that he enjoyed his relationships with his teammates and his time in Buffalo, but he felt like the team failed the city and the fans. That is the crux of the argument. If Jim Kelly feels that he failed, I tend to take his word. This is not to say that the Bills fans didn’t enjoy the ride and didn’t think they had the best team, but they never achieved their ultimate goal.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 23, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would feel like the Braves.

Zing!

I completely agree with you that, if we were to make the WS 10 times and never win, I would gladly trade all of those appearances for one ring. However, I am confident in the ability of this team to get the job done, and even if they don’t do it this year (again), they already have a better shot at doing it next year than most teams. Even the Braves won one.

Blackouts. Suck. In. Iowa.

by znohitter on Sep 23, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am confident too. I feel better about this

team than I have about any other. They have a great combination of pitching, defense and hitting and possibly the best manager in the league. We maybe outplayed, but we won’t be outmanaged and that is a good feeling. So, let’s go out and get our championship. Lord knows, if anyone deserves it, we do!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 23, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anything less than World Series victory will be crushing blow

That’s just the way it is and should be at this stage. The Cubs are uniquely poised like they have never been before. They are blessed with one of the absolute best managers in the game, core players in their prime, dominant power pitchers, good health and a down era for the National League.

This has got to be the year.

by MDBNIU on Sep 23, 2008 10:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Never before?

They are blessed with one of the absolute best managers in the game, core players in their prime, dominant power pitchers, good health and a down era for the National League.

At least three of those statements could apply to the teams from the 1906-1910 era. And I would argue against ‘a down era for the National League’ being a.) true and b.) a blessing. But the fact remains that this is the best Cubs team for decades, at least.

And because of that, I wince at the use of the term ‘crushing blow.’ Disappointing, frustrating, vexing, annoying, irritating, deflating, etc. perhaps, but hardly crushing. Lou has already managed to do something with this team that hasn’t been done in one hundred years by getting them to the post-season twice in a row. Getting to the series would indicate the negation of nearly every curse on the list and would leave only Wrigley itself as the likely source of any remaining bad mojo. This doesn’t have to be the year. It sure feels like the year, we all want it to be the year, large-round-number-ology says it should be the year (as do all the Cubs hats; bet you thought the ‘C’ = 100 thing was just a coincidence!), but remember…

There is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS going to be next year.

Blackouts. Suck. In. Iowa.

by znohitter on Sep 23, 2008 10:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Unfrigginbelievable those of you lining up already to apology

Sorry friend, ANYTHING short of a World Series victory in 2008 shall be crushing blow to very many of us who call ourselves Cub fans, diehards, etc. and have invested many years of our lives following this franchise. There can be no more fucking excuses. As Ron Santo says, THIS is the year !! It’s got to be. Screw the black cat, the billy goat and all the other horsebleep excuses over the years. I’m sick and tired of the Cubs being the Luvable Losers. Sheer will needs to take over this year to get this team over the hump, just like it did in 2004 for the Boston Red Sox. That Boston team was on a singular mission and nothing, absolutely nothing, was getting in their way. It HAS to be the same for the Cubs in 2008. We will very doubtful have a team this strong, gifted and healthy. Make it happen NOW!!!

by MDBNIU on Sep 23, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apologize?

Where has anyone on this thread apologized? I fully expect that this team will have eleven wins in the post-season. I hope for nothing less. But (hypothetically speaking) if it doesn’t happen, are you going to stop rooting for the team because the slump goes into the second century? Are you going to have a bonfire and burn your hats, jerseys, programs, gloves, bats, bobbleheads and other assorted paraphernalia and start rooting for St. Loo or the ChiSox? I doubt it. Make it happen now, by all means. But I’m not comfortable with the ‘now or else’ attitude you seem to have. It smacks of poor sportsmanship at a time when we can be the most gracious fans in sports.

Standings: -EEEEE
Me: "EEEEE!"

by znohitter on Sep 23, 2008 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

"There is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS going to be next year."

Uh..what? You are kidding right? Tell that to the 104 year old cub fan who threw the first pitch recently.

by cubsnlinux on Sep 23, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen brother

Reading this thread I have become near physically ill. And to read Al Yellon of all people chime in the way he did is enormously disappointing.

by MDBNIU on Sep 23, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think I won't be disappointed?

Then you have misread my posts for the entire time you have been on this site.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 24, 2008 4:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

what, you're surprised?

BM is an all or nothing guy. He cannot comprehend that people could walk away from a post season loss and say “well, that sucked, but what a season!” He’s like that guy from Talladega Nights — if you’re not first, you’re last.

Luckily, most of us understand a more nuanced approach.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, what a surprise.

Reading this thread has made me feel almost physically ill, too. Though I doubt it’s for the same reasons.

This whole “Win NOW” attitude certainly DOES stink to high heaven of poor sportsmanship. It’s the same type of attitude that causes fathers to kill other fathers at peewee hockey games. It’s what drives high school students to start juicing up.

The Chicago Cubs are one of the most important things to me. If they won the World Series, I would be beside myself with glee, probably unable to speak for a week out of sheer joy. HOWEVER, I’m not going to make any sort of “If they don’t win now, they’re failures” ultimatum on this season. If they don’t win, it won’t change my attitude towards how I feel about them one bit. I’ll be a Cubs fan til the day I die, regardless of whether they win it all this season.

"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"

by cubs0505 on Sep 24, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the poll was worded incorrectly.

The poll asks if this season will be memorable or not without a World Series. This season will be MEMORABLE for all of us regardless of what happens in the postseason. On those conditions I voted that it has been memorable already. What the article was saying was that it would be a FAILURE to not the win the World Series, which I agree with.

by bikemonkey on Sep 23, 2008 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I wonder if all of the comments in this thread are correct.

I’ve been thinking about this for a good part of the day.

Rosenbloom is a horse’s ass. What he appears to say is that, if the Cubs don’t win the Series, all that transpired before is nothing. And many folks here have pointed out that you just can’t say that about the shining magical year we’ve had, regardless of what happens in the playoffs.

But there’s another thread of thought here, which is more in line with Rosenbloom, i.e., that it’s nothing if we don’t win it all. The two threads aren’t mutually exclusive, though. The people (like me) who think it’s been a great season regardless of what happens aren’t being defeatist or unduly pessimistic. We’re just not willing to throw out all that has happened based on the result of the playoffs.

If we don’t at least make it to the Series, or if we do make it, we don’t win, I’ll be on the floor, flatter than a piece of paper for a long time. I want us to win so bad, I can taste it.

There’s something different about this team. It’s the feeling that this wonderful season is not magical, but is just inevitably good. It’s the feeling that this team (and it’s manager) is not just happy to be in the playoffs. It’s the feeling that this team isn’t going into the playoffs politely, but is there to take major league baseball by storm. They didn’t get here by luck, but got here by skill and guile (thanks for the latter part, Lou).

What’s different this time is that the Cubs are respected. They’re not a miracle (ALL of the other great years felt somewhat miraculous). And maybe that’s what got me about Rosenbloom’s blog. It was a lack of respect for what’s been accomplished. He wants to sweep away and minimize the Cubs’ success as much as possible. Well, screw you, Steve.

Go Cubs!

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on Sep 23, 2008 10:47 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Well put.

The second ‘thread of thought’ seems to be the “Will this team go down in the books as the team that defined 2008” idea. I completely agree that anything short of a WS win will probably relegate this team to the trivia books for many people, and in that sense would make the season less ‘memorable.’ But I reject any claim that the season would mean less to the fans of the club because we don’t win it all (at least until we win one).

Standings: -EEEEE
Me: "EEEEE!"

by znohitter on Sep 23, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

You may curse Rosenbloom, but he is not the villain here. If his

comments have struck a nerve, then he accomplished what he set out to do. No one can set bounds on your accomplishments. The fact that the Cubs have not won a championship in 100 years speaks for itself. This organization has beem synonomous with failure, but has that hampered our efforts for success? Of course not. That failure has driven the Cubs and everone associated with the organization to achieve the success we so richly deserve.

How can our success be minimized? What have we succeeded at? We have won no championships in 100 years, that is a fact. Does that make us try any less harder? Does that make us feel less than whole? Of course not. That failure makes us strive for success that much harder. To prove to others that we have the stuff that makes champions. We should feel good about ourselves because we have been brave in the attempt. We have not succeeded, but that has not made us any less as an entity.

When we succeed at our endeavor, and we will, we will be able to hold our heads high and say “We are champions!” Not because of anyone else’s yardstick,but because we attained that of which we have tried so long to achieve and that jubilation will be undescribeable.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1 and rec'd

You’ve done it again. Dang, write a fanpost . . . you do good work.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Failure is a bit strong

You play to win. You strap it on to win a championship. Thats the goal, but the fact that you’re a “failure” if you don’t is pretty ridiculous to me. Yes you’re disappointed and I imagine I’d be heartbroken.

But the regular season was everything it could be and I’ll cherish that.

There's magic in the ivy...

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 24, 2008 4:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Failure describes the situation perfectly. The goal of any season

is to win the championship. If you don’t attain that goal, you have failed. That’s not to say that the season was for nothing or the season was a waste, you just failed to attain your goal. It happens thousands of times every day.

Many people seemed to be hung up on the notion that they failed at something. The negative connotations associated with failure make people recoil from the thought that their efforts could be wasted or the attempt was in vain. Nothing could be further from the truth. Competition is based upon seccess and failure. Every match or game produces a winner and a loser, a success and a failure. Does the fact that you lost a game make you recoil and not want to try again? No, failure drives you to compete again and again. To reach that ultimate goal that you have worked so hard to attain.

The difference between a true champion and the average Joe is how they deal with failure. Anyone can feel good and celebrate a success, but a true champion has that inner drive to push through the disappointments and get past the feeling of disappointment associated with failure. Failure doesn’t make you a loser or minimize you efforts, it only makes the success that much more enjoyable.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Instant gratification

I agree that the ultimate goal of any team is to win the championship, and on that level all but one team in the league will be considered failures any given year. On the other hand, one can also look at success or failure in relative terms. The Yankees have been a massive failure this season, and will any year they don’t win the series, just because of the size of their payroll. I’m sure there will be Red Sox fans who consider this season a failure if they don’t win the AL East, even though they still will make the playoffs. All six Tampa Bay fans, however, will probably consider this season a success because of the final standings, even if they get swept out of the ALDS in three games.

If we don’t win eleven games in October, the team will have failed to fulfill the post-season goal of winning the championship. But they will still have been the best team in the NL, been NL Central champs, and (most importantly) be in the catbird seat for next year. Compared to the Nationals or the Mariners, I’d call that a success.

(And before someone jumps on me again for being an apologist, think back a ways to the seasons when not only were we out of contention by August, but we might as well have started back five games next April. Maybe I’m looking too far forward, but that’s still better than not looking forward far enough.)

Standings: -EEEEE
Me: "EEEEE!"

by znohitter on Sep 24, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

We have passed the test of being the best team

in our division, but the jury is still out on the other goals, The standard for being the best team in the NL is to win the pennant and the standard for being the best team in baseball is to win the World Series. To make those claims during the season, one could be described as subjective. Making those claims after the contests are complete would be one of fact.

As I stated before, failing to achieve one’s goals does not lessen the attempt made duing the season. It only legitimizes that effort and provides one a prize for that effort. If you can hold you head high and state that you have given your all to achieve that goal, then your attempt can never be in vain.

I have the utmost faith that all of the members of the Cubs organization will give there all to achieve the goal and win a championship. If they fall short, it won’t be because of lack of effort. That can never be ridiculed or minimized.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Think About the Bad Seasons

During this great season, I have been thinking about how much better the Cubs are than they were in 2006, 2002, 2000, and 1999. Oh, yeah, we could go further back and find more terrible seasons. I have truly enjoyed 2008 and hope the Cubs never go back to the way they were in the early 1980’s or late 1940’s and early 1950’s.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Sep 24, 2008 7:14 AM CDT reply actions  

It would be interesting...

…to see (since the start of the wild card) how many teams with the best record during the regular season, have won the pennant in their league. Also, how often the team with the best record in baseball, wins the World Series.

I would do it, but I am slow on this stuff.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I believe...

… there’s only one that’s won the WS — the 1998 Yankees.

The Braves had the best NL record in 1996, won the pennant.

The Indians had the best AL record in 1995, won the pennant.

There may be a couple others, that’s at first glance.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 24, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think this proves...

…just how much pressure/expectations play a role in the playoffs. Baseball is unique compared to other sports, because physical dominance (like in basketball and football), don’t get you over the hump as they do in those sports. Hitting for one, is difficult and very much mental, and becomes very difficult when you feel undue pressure. In fact, in all aspects of baseball, you need the right mind frame to allow your physical skills to perform.

Lou will be earning his money by using all his experience to get the club in the right frame of mind and try to reduce the pressure they may feel as the favorite. He has already started publicly by saying the season would not be a failure if they don’t win the World Series, and I’ll guarantee, he is doing much more behing the scenes in a subtle way.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

2007 Red Sox and Other Lasts

The 2007 world chamption Red Sox tied with the Indians for the best record in MLB at 96-66.

The 1986 New York Mets (108-54) were the last NL team to have the best record in MLB and win the World Series.

The 1995 Atlanta Braves (90-54) were the last NL team to have the best record in the NL and win the World Series.

The 2004 St. Louis Cardinals (105-57) were the last NL team to have the best record in the NL and win the NL pennant.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Sep 24, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Prediction....

Cubs win the World Series and Lou Piniella announces his retirement shortly thereafter. With Alan Trammell being tagged his successor. If Cubs don’t win the World Series then Sweet Lou hangs around for another season. But it is starting to become pretty clear he’d like to go back home to family in Temple Terrace, Florida.

by MDBNIU on Sep 24, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

If the Cubs win the WS and Piniella doesn't retire

this comment is a failure.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

a complete

utter, sand-pounding flop.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ozzie...

…said he would quit too, and we know how that went.

Anyway, I know Lou is 65 and it is possible he says enouph if they are able to win it all. If I was a betting man, I would say (after some thought) Lou would realize his competitive juices still have something left in the tank.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou is a big family man...

And he keeps interjecting statements how it is tough to be away from wife, daughters and grandchildren down in Temple Terrace Florida. I think if the Cubs win the World Series he will hang it up.

by MDBNIU on Sep 24, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lets hope...

…they win it, and we’ll go from there.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Sep 24, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Through 2009

He’s signed through 2009. I think he will be here through then.

I also think Trammel will be a manager somewhere else in 2009 unless he really has been hushhush whisper whisper told he has the job when Lou leaves.

Thngs of worth are worth fighting for regardless of the odds.

by puckishcubsfan on Sep 25, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's an interesting poll...

..it’s a complicated response.

I will have fond memories of the regular season but I won’t look at it as a huge success. Luck plays a big part in baseball playoffs so you can’t just call the team horsecrap if they don’t advance, but if we show as poorly as we did against a mediocre team like the D-Backs last year, then I will consider this season to a total and complete 100% failure.

If we compete, show well and have to tip our hat to the team that outplayed us or even out lucked us then I can accept that.

The level of expectations is rising for the Cubs and that’s good, who wants to accept the crap that this organization has put out on the field and in the front office for year-after-year-after-year?

I have to be realistic about this, we could get out lucked out of a World series appearance and that’s just the way it happens some times, but to not how up at all? I won’t accept that anymore.

by DudeVf11 on Sep 24, 2008 11:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Season won't be a failure if they don't win the WS

but it will be a significant disappointment. This team is built to win this year. With all the off-season and in-season movement, this team is built to win.

This would not be the same disappointment as in other years where there were glaring flaws. Those years sucked and we all were disappointed however this year there was/is that feeling they could go all the way, realistically, not looking through the blue sunglasses or drinking the koolaid but a legitimate shot.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Sep 25, 2008 8:02 AM CDT reply actions  

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