Marshalling Our Resources: Cubs 2, Mets 6
by Al on Sep 24, 2008 8:13 AM CDT
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Far be it from me to look to John Kruk as the fount of all baseball wisdom, but if you saw Baseball Tonight last night, you'll have to admit he had a point.
They ran the highlight of the bizarre play where Johan Santana's bat broke when he hit a ground ball up the middle, only to see the ball hit one of the bat pieces and bounce away from Ronny Cedeno. Marshall waved his arms as if to say, "What the heck?", as if it were Cedeno's fault, which it wasn't. He did strike out Jose Reyes and the inning could have been over, and then he seemed to lose focus, walking Luis Castillo and giving up a two-run single to David Wright, which tied the game.
Kruk said Marshall's body language was all wrong, and he's right. Lou didn't look happy in the dugout, but that didn't stop Lou from praising Marshall after the game:
"Our guy matched [Santana] pitch for pitch there, and actually was doing a little better until the fifth inning," Cubs manager Lou Piniella said. "We need to get [Marshall] back in the bullpen, where he can help us in the middle. He'll pitch a little in the middle in the Milwaukee series to get ready for postseason."
I like Sean Marshall and I think he'll be very valuable in the postseason. But he can't lose focus like that. The Cubs lost the game to the Mets 6-2, not really important in the grand scheme of things, except that it now will require winning out in order to get to 100 wins, perhaps the only remaining team goal.
Meanwhile, Chad Gaudin may have pitched himself off the playoff roster by giving up four hard hits and inexplicably flipping a ball to Derrek Lee on which he had no chance of getting the runner; a run scored on the resulting error, but it would have scored anyway as the Mets pounded Gaudin. Maybe it's the effects of not having pitched in nearly a month, but I'm guessing Lou looks at quite a number of different bullpen combinations before making a decision prior to next Wednesday.
Reed Johnson had been 10-for-19 vs. Santana in the AL and he continued that domination; going 2-for-3, he's now 11-for-22 against one of the best pitchers in the game and that could prove to be important if the Mets are the Cubs' first-round opponent. It was also good to see Kosuke Fukudome get two hits, especially against a tough lefthander. I'd like to see Dome play every day the rest of the week; if he can get back on the track he appeared to be on early in the season, that'd be a real boost to the offense.
It's getting hard to write these recaps; with this much time left until a game that really means something, what else can you say except to use clichés like "playing out the string". With the Brewers also winning last night, the Mets' lead in the wild-card race remains at one game with five to play, and the Cubs may not know who will arrive at Wrigley Field on Wednesday until Sunday -- or maybe even beyond.
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FIRST to agree!
Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.
by CaliCub on Sep 24, 2008 8:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
New worry
Do you suppose some teams will come calling for the services of either Randy Bush or Oneri Fleita in the offseason?
I think the Cubs may lose front office and coaching staff.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 24, 2008 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you need to stop making up stuff to worry about.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't able to see the play
but hearing it described, Marshall had no reason to get upset about that one. There was nothing he could do about it. His reaction should have been to say WTF and laugh it off b/c it sounds pretty funny, reading about the play.
Either way, he did pitch well and I am happy that Marshall made the playoff roster. As for Gaudin, I really hope he gets ‘it’ figured out soon because we know he is a good pitcher and a big assets to our pen.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 24, 2008 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was just a "one of those things" play
Certainly nothing that should have made Marshall mad or made him lose focus.
by SuperContext on Sep 24, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly what Kruk's point was.
He should have laughed it off and got the next two guys and finished off the inning.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 24, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you and kruk
but my god didn’t kruk seem overly pissy about the play?!? it’s not as if losing this game is going to have a significant impact of the rest of the reason
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kruk often gets overly pissy.
Sometimes, that makes his point lost. Not last night, though.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 24, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He thinks the Astros were screwed, by the way.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't heard that...
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by Blue W on Sep 24, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with him
oh god let’s not start this debate again!
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by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RIDICULOUS! JUST RIDICULOUS!
DID I MENTION IT WAS RIDICULOUS? OH, BY THE WAY, IT WAS RIDICULOUS!
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
I started to count how many times he said that but ran out of fingers
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Sep 24, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridikulus
even
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when you are pulling for the phillies, last night does mean something!
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by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I disagree as to what Marshall was conveying with his body language. I don’t believe he meant any disrespect to Cedeno at all. Rather, it seemed clear to me that he was simply throwing up his arms in disbelieft that the ball hit the broken bat after it had gone past him.
There is one major reason that I believe that was his intention….I think he recognized that he should have fielded it cleanly himself. If he fields it, it’s a DP. I don’t think he was upset with Cedeno at all but was more disturbed that he missed the ball and then it goes on to hit a broken bat. I think he was giving the “what can you do” body language more than anything and don’t believe he lost focus at all.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Sep 24, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so...
… still, it did seem as if he pitched differently after that play.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 24, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with krummy, not kruky.
Marshall wanted to field the ball himself, but the bat came flying through. Then it struck the ball, breaking up Cedeno’s rhythm. Honestly, I don’t think Marshall was peeved at anyone, but instead filled with disbelief that something so crazy could happen.
I guess we’ll never know………..
What supports the “disbelief” stance is the way he handled Reyes. He got a fortunate strike call from the ump, but then busted Reyes up with a heater. Why he failed to do the same against Castillo is, well, yet another mystery.
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by tville on Sep 24, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also agree with Krummy.
I think Marsh was just was in disbelief after the play. And Al is right, still didn’t change the fact that wheels fell off so fast but this is why he isn’t permanent in the starting rotation.
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 24, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1,000
That is exactly what I was going to say.
It was more of a “you have got to be kidding me” type of reaction at the sheer bad luck of it all.
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by Goat Whisperer on Sep 24, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw the play...
…and this was my thought as well. I assumed Marshall was either mad at himself or perhaps even mad at the fact that yet another maple bat exploded like a rotten apple hitting a brick wall.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
Marshall had just walked a batter on 4 pitches to open the inning and had a chance for a dp. The shattered bat distracted both he and Cedeno from making the play. I would probably have reacted the same. The increasing number of sharp maple projectiles that are directed toward the mound must be a concern for all pitchers. If the batter were to intentionally throw the bat or helmet or other object, then there would be an interference call. By choosing to use thinner and thinner bats made of brittle wood, the batter has effectively chosen to randomly throw his bat toward the fielders. Something needs to be done such as setting minimum handle diameters and wood quality standards.
by txtom on Sep 24, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Gaudin
Of more concern to me is not the fact that Gaudin may have pitched himself off the playoff roster is that in doing so, he may have pitched Bob Howry onto the playoff roster
by philadelphiacub on Sep 24, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 billion
Despite Gaudin’s bad night last night, Lou shouldn’t forget that batters are hitting .300 (!) against Howry this season.
Gaudin and Marhsall will get the 5-7th innings, Spellcheck (I really don’t know how to spell his name, and I’m an excellent speller) gets the 6-7th innings, Marmol for the 8th and Wood for the 9th. It’s that simple.
We cannot chance Howry pitching in the playoffs. Christ, MARQUIS would be a better option, and that’s why he’s there.
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Sep 24, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO! on item number P.O.R. 68- Bob Howry on the playoff roster
by philadelphiacub on Sep 24, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's the lesson to be learned
if you are gaudin and you are in the thick of a playoff race, don’t get so drunk you fall into a dumpster and hurt yourself……he’s got little time left to prove he belongs
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best post I've read so far this morning
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 24, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a very melancholy way
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 24, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah i was sighing as i wrote it :(
i would really like to see him make the playoff roster
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think it's going to be Marmol for the 7th & 8th
Wood for the 9th – unless Carlos worked the night before?
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Sep 24, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol doesn't seem to be as effective in his second inning of work in a night
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by Clutch16 on Sep 24, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen, brother.
Did I really just type that?
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno.
Did you grow a bushy handlebar moustache last night?
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap, I did!
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And stocked up on wax I presume...
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's just wrong.
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 24, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not Wrong,
That’s Rollie.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 24, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still hate to see them lose
My head knows it doesn’t matter, but my heart still dips a little when I see that score.
Oh well, I am encouraged by the way we hit Santana in the early going, especially with the CUBS/sCrUBS combo line-up. I know anything can happen, but I do not fear this team in the post-season.
by SuperContext on Sep 24, 2008 8:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Best case scenario
If Zambrano and Harden can win the next two games against the Mets, there’s a good chance that the Mets and Brewers will either be tied or separated by only one game going into Sunday.
That will likely force Santana to pitch on Sunday with everything on the line after a 120+ pitch outing last night. I think the Phillies will have clinched the East, so it may come down to Mets and Brewers having to win Sunday, or even better, that they’re tied after Sunday forcing a one-game playoff for the wild card. That would really scramble their rotations, tax their bullpens and make the survivor that much more vulnerable to the rested Cubs.
Whatever else happens the next few days, Lord please let the Mets and Brewers end up tied after Sunday’s games!
by davenportblue on Sep 24, 2008 8:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm too lazy to look this up.
Where would a Mets/Brewers tiebreaker game be held?
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by Al on Sep 24, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New York, I'm pretty sure
I don’t think the Brewers won one tiebreaker advantage
by NittanyCub on Sep 24, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers
won the tie break with the Cubs, IIRC. We would have had to go to Miller to play a tie breaking game
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 24, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, gee
too bad that didn’t happen. Any opportunity to throw a no-hitter at Wrigley North.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing
as I was typing my response above. . . Shucks, you mean we have to go play at our other home field ;).
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 24, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comfirmed.
It would be New York (link)
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Mets finish Saturday with a 1 game lead
My guess is they don’t pitch Santana on Sunday. They hope to win without him so that he’s ready for Game 1 — or, worst case, have him ready for a tie-breaker.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I looked it up.
If the Mets and Brewers tie, the tiebreaker game would be at New York.
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by Al on Sep 24, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus the tie breaker
needs to go about 19 innings.
"Destiny is a matter of choice, not chance"
by MerlinDog on Sep 24, 2008 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah the dream situation
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I watched the replay
I noticed the “WTF” reaction, but I thought it was directed at the bad luck of the crazy bounce, not at Ronny Cedeno. Marshall was looking right at the play the whole time, and he himself couldn’t field the ball because of the bat head flying right in front of it. Still no excuse to lose focus, even if he wasn’t blaming Ronny.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Sep 24, 2008 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Playoff at Shea
I’m pretty sure the wild card playoff would be at Shea. Of course, in my earlier post, I should have added that I’d want the exhausted Mets to win the playoff. If the Brewers were to win, we wouldn’t be playing them in the first round anyway.
And on the subject of Marshall’s reaction to the “double bounce” of the bat, it seemed he was reacting to the play, not Cedeno.
by davenportblue on Sep 24, 2008 8:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin...
… got “pounded?” Huh?
Gaudin most definitely did not give up “four hard hits.” Not even close.
He gave up a bloop double that just dropped in front of Soriano. Then he gave up an infield hit that he made the error on. Then he gave up two singles, neither of which were really hit hard.
How is that getting “pounded?”
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by big_lowitzki on Sep 24, 2008 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
Couple that with the fact that he hasn’t pitched against MLB hitters in a month, and that he just came back from back problems.
by NittanyCub on Sep 24, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin pitched the other day in Chicago against the Cardinals (Sunday)
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by JohnM on Sep 24, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need to quit posting in the mornings.
by NittanyCub on Sep 24, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or drinking in the evenings?
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or drinking before posting in the mornings.
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by Blue W on Sep 24, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coincidentally enough, I lost my ID this weekend
by NittanyCub on Sep 24, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'OH!
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked like Soriano............
………..broke back on that hit by Delgado, and then didn’t really get going forward in full gear until it was too late to catch up to the ball.
With the catcher running, it was too bad that infield dribbler went for a hit and even worse that Gaudin chucked it past Lee at 1B. That said, Gaudin was consistently over 90 MPH with his fastball, but he left too many out over the plate.
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by tville on Sep 24, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting closer
My thoughts are already consumed by the postseason. I know in the coming weeks it is going to be difficult to concentrate at work with the Cubs in the playoffs.
I know whatever happens is going to happen, but it would be huge for the Cubs if the Mets had to throw Johan to get into the playoffs on Sunday. Otherwise he would be waiting in game 1 assuming we face them. Facing Johan doesn’t scare me, but it isn’t ideal. I realize I’m getting ahead of myself but right now I’m as interested in the Sox/Twins as the Cubs series.
Except tonight, I’m excited to see Z bounce back.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on Sep 24, 2008 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets Go Mets
After hearing the Mets won’t start Santana on Short rest and that he will pitch Sunday, I am rooting for the Mets to win and have to start Santana on Sunday. Then he would, if not starting on short rest wouldn’t pitch until Saturday, although I am sure he would in the playoffs but that still makes him the Game 2 starter at best since he isn’t going on 2 days rest.
And then with Game 3 on Saturday and 4 on Sunday he wont pitch until game 4 on 3 days rest and that is all. I would love the Cubs chances against Santana twice on short rest.
Anyone know if Santana has ever pitched on Short Rest. I couldn’t find any games going through the game logs for his career
by niuhuskie224 on Sep 24, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Santana on Short Rest
after becoming a starter, Johan has started 3 games on 3-days rest. He is 1-1 with a 6.14 ERA in those games, throwing 14.2 innings, allowing 15 hits, 10 runs (all earned), 5 walks, 13 strikeouts and 5 homeruns.
Here’s the direct link
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
things just seem to be falling into place huh?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just need the Brewers to cooperate
and force the Mets to throw Santana on Sunday.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, interesting stuff.
I guess it’s a little harder to control that change-up with a tired arm. Gotta admit – he was damn impressive last night.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once the Mets tied it up, he was filthy.
None the less, I liked how the team played (for most of the game), and I’ll take my chances against him with the regular lineup out there.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a hell of a pitcher. If I was managing against him, I would
want a lineup of 5 lefthanded hitters and 4 Reed Johnsons.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this include the playoffs?
I recall he started on short rest against the Yankees in the playoffs one year.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 24, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It didn't
I looked it up, and in 2004, he started on 3-days rest after dominating the Yankees in Game 1.
He went 5 innings, allowing 3 hits, 1 run (1 earned), walking 3 and striking out 7 that day.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes ticked me off last night!
After his base clearing triple in the 6th, I felt his reaction was a little much. Please, your team is trying not to choke for the second year in a row, i’m sure you are excited to not be hitting .160 or whatever you hit last september, but show some class. Even my wife, who is relatively passive when watching a game, gave me a look like WTF is that about.
It feels good to be gearing up to have agnst against potential playoff matchups.
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by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
huh?
Do you also criticize Marmol and Z for their emotional celebrations?
I actually appreciated Reyes’ reaction. He got a really big hit, and he celebrated that.
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by big_lowitzki on Sep 24, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually sometimes Big Z and Marmol do upset me with the over the top emotions
I think it sometimes stirs up the other team and can work against you. But usually I’m just biased and only notice behavior of other teams. I don’t know, I’m just trying to get myself rocked and ready for next week, and I think Reyes is more flash than substance, and he kind of gets under my skin and………….hey why am I defending myself here, I feel like this is therapy or something?
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by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes may be a lot of things
But his career numbers show he’s certainly not more flash than substance.
Even the most ardent Theriot supporters would be foolish to say that the Cubs wouldn’t be better with Reyes at short. Any NL team other than the Phillies would be better than they are with Reyes at short.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even the Marlins?
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by tville on Sep 24, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arguably
Ramirez gets the nod on offense, but I think Reyes is the superior fielder. Right now, you’re probably right, though.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should have said "i feel" instead of " i think"
I feel he is more flash than substance, just my distorted perception and opinion. And comparing Theriot and Reyes is completely unfair, we all realize Theriot isn’t a real shortshop period. Anyway, I would argue though that when you hear about lockerroom or team chemistry issues on the Mets, Reyes is likely in the center. Just an opinion, he reminds of guys I played with in college and those type of players drive you silly.
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by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got some maturing to do
But I’d take my chances on that happening. So does Zambrano — who apparently still hasn’t apologized to Piniella for his actions last week.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Media boycott by Z?
What the hell?
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Sep 24, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got some serious growing up to do.
After reading that, I’m thinking the Cubs could do worse than going with Dempster, Lilly, Harden, Dempster, Lilly in the NLDS.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so torn on this rotation.......glad it is not my decision
I’m thinking Dempster or Harden (mostly Harden in game one) Even at his worst Harden only gives up a handful of runs. But you know if Big Z is in this state of mind, he may sulk the whole series. It is almost like he is anticipating not being the game 1 starter.
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by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he say a few
weeks ago he wanted to pitch in game 3?
by sue369 on Sep 24, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I seem to recall him saying that, too.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also said he didn't care about pitching in the
opener and that Lilly could do it, but we know who ended up starting that game.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
woah
deja vu
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cmon...
Z has hit an emotional high point and low point in the space of two-three weeks Pitching a no-hitter, having to travel for his grandmother’s death, and then pitching very badly. Do you suggest that Fukudome should be benched because he doesn’t talk to reporters?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I say he shouldn't start because he doesn't talk to reporters?
That’s your inference. I just don’t like the way he handles himself when things don’t go his way or he doesn’t get his way.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're the one who suggested
that the rotation should be Demp, Lilly, Harden, Demp, Lilly. What inference was I supposed to make?
He’s an emotional guy. I don’t see significant negativity in that. He can beat up all the gatorade coolers or bats he wants to, so long as he doesn’t get hurt, and he keeps it off the pitcher’s mound. It’s when he gets upset on the MOUND that I worry, and only because it effects his pitching.
He’s a ballplayer, he plays ball. When he does it well, I’m happy, when he does it poorly, I’m not.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not because of his media ban
Because he’s prone to acting like a spoiled brat — and it has a record of affecting his pitching.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, when it effects his play
I’m upset about his play. The results are what concern me. What effects the results is up to him.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's true
But until he proves that he can ignore outside factors, I’m not sure that I want him in Game 1.
But, that’s not my decision, and as you said, Lou has more info.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually it's "affect," but I get what you're saying
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 24, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh.
So much for my english degree.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z is wrong about one thing....
(as per the linked article above) Lou is NOT human..he’s SWEET!!!
"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill
by cubfever7 on Sep 24, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome not talking to reporters and Z not talking to reporters is apples and oranges
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 24, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well a variety of reasons
A) Dome has been in this country less than a year
B) Domes discpline at the plate early in he season helped the team to start getting more walks
C) Z has been a team leader for a few years, there is a responsibilty that goes with that.
I don’t like the It’s Manny being Manny, nor do I like the Z being Z. Dome being Dome… something I have heard yet.
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 24, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
havent heard***
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 24, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is surprising
Even though Big Z is an emotional roller coaster on the field, I usually find his post game interviews to be among the most balanced well thought out I’ve heard. This doesn’t smell good, he clearly is holding onto some resentment about something.
"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus
by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess:
He didn’t like finding out that Lou is the sherriff instead of Z.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And bad freaking timing as well....
And here’s how it will play out:
He pitches well tonight, boycott over
He pitches like crap, boycott continues
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by carmen_fanzone on Sep 24, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be fine.
Let’s not worry too much about whom Zambrano is talking to. Let’s worry about how he pitches tonight. As others have said, he’s been on a roller-coaster the last few weeks, so he probably deserves some slack.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care who he talks to
I don’t like the way he responds to adversity. This isn’t in reference to his family tragedy — it’s adversity in general.
He blatantly shows up his manager and still hasn’t apologized for it.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to fan the flame but.........
the Badger has a point about responding to adversity. I love Big Z and thinking he is one intimidating bad man with nasty stuff and love him on the Cubs, but he can respond poorly at times. He struggled for a large part of last year with the contract issue and I really do think where he starts in the playoff rotation COULD impact his attitude. That being said this is the same guy who threw a no hitter during a time of adversity, who freaking knows?
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by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Lou is a good manager
he’s dealt with it, and just because it hasn’t been reported doesn’t mean it’s not dealt with.
The important thing is whether or not Z pitches well tonight. Everything else is irrelevant.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, Lou will decide what's important --
that’s why I’m blogging and not managing. Hopefully it won’t be a decision based on, “he’ll be an emotional wreck if he doesn’t start game 1.”
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've read that article 3 times now
where does it mention that he hasn’t apologized to Piniella?
I think Zambrano responds in different ways to adversity – he responded to adversity with his shoulder by some the best pitching of his life. He responded to other pitching troubles by being petulant. Sounds like a 27-year old to me.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind
I found it in Sullivan’s notebook today:
Zambrano admitted it was a “stupid” mistake on his part but never apologized to Piniella afterward for his glaring show of disrespect…
link here
In any case, while I’d rather have apologizing to Lou, I don’t think it will affect his performance.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or where did we get the idea lou wants an apology?
my gut feeling is lou understands why z was pissed, he understands he made a mistake, and i’m sure he’s over it
i mean c’mon lou had to deal with arod for how many years? i’m sure this is nothing to him
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another example...
…of the media making someting out of nothing.
I know Sullivan spends a lot of time with the club, but how does he know Zambrano didn’t have a quick one on one discussion with Lou and say he made a mistake. Just because Z hasn’t said anything about that to the media, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And on the day it happened Z said he intended to apologize
“That was stupid by me,” Zambrano said. “I have too many things in my mind, and obviously, it wasn’t a good move. I will apologize to Lou and talk to him.”
So this is Sullivan stirring stuff up, or else Z tried to apologize and got an earful.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Sep 24, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Sullivan with them 24/7?
How does he know all of this isn’t water under the bridge.
Sounds like he’s fishing for a story.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I could be wrong, but this really seems like a non-issue.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on Sep 24, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's only a matter of time
before someone tries to start up the edmonds vs z feud again haha
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot is a real SS
Just voting my conscience here… Reyes can rake and run, but his fielding is about as good as TheRiots….
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your conscience has the baseball IQ of a houseplant.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be flexing my baseball IQ at Wrigley this postseason
have fun watching in TBS with your sweaty keyboard between your legs
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you so sure I don't have tickets, too?
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyway you were the dude who loves ZR
I dont believe in stats but Reyes’s ZR is like last in the majors
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
source
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll try and ignore the fact that Reyes has...
more total chances, a better range factor, more double plays, and a stronger arm. Yeah…they’re pretty much the same defensive player.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 24, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and 100 more innings
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And why on earth would Reyes get to play MORE than Theriot?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 24, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
becuse he smacks the hell
out of the ball
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's no reason to play a guy.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You pick one stat and declare victory?
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 24, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its easier that way
otherwise you have to use math and stuff-
Dude-Reyes would look great in a Cubbie uniform-I’m just saying Theriot is a solid glove
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you drunk?
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's just a troll...
…who gets off working people up about Ryan Theriot. I shouldn’t have even replied to his post.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok I think I'll walk away from this then
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sheesh I forgot about that
this is the same dude from the game thread, isn’t it?
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 24, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yuppers.
Notice how I’m not replying? I think I’ve grown.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the troll stuff is old
you sent me a personal email inviting me to comment on Theriot.
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did.
And, based on your comments in that thread, you only confirmed you have no serious opinions on this topic but intend only to make lame jokes and try to piss people off. Conclusion: Troll.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you throw the troll
thing around alot- you are the one who goes ape-Sh*t whenever someone says something halfway nice about the Ragin Cajin
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, not true.
As I told you on the game thread, I’ve gone on record several times declaring my neutrality when it comes to Ryan Theriot. But if you want to find some examples of me going “ape-Sh*t”, please feel free to share.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
quote unquote
Your conscience has the baseball IQ of a houseplant.
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For starters, I wouldn't call typing nine words "going apeshit."
In addition, that reaction was less a dig at Ryan Theriot than a point simply emphasizing the ridiculousness of arguing that Jose Reyes is in any way inferior to Theriot in any aspect of the game.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
boy
I’d hate to see you react when people get REALLY angry with you.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was that time
you dug flies out of my hair and ate them.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A very touching moment indeed.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 24, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see France
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 24, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, that was supposed to be our little secret.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now you're ashamed.
I see how it is.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just...I'm just not ready.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for second base
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look
You are entitled to your opinion. You just need to make a clear, well positioned argument if you believe you must convert others to yours. Jose Reyes is amazing. In the field and on the base paths.
I like Theriot, but don’t believe he is a top 25 shortstop. The difference between you and I is that I’m not trying to convert anyone to my thinking.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 24, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't waste your time. He's just throwing shit against
teh wall hoping something will stick.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clear. well positioned arguments
have no place on here obviously…
The BCB community believes Theriot is a ‘bad’ defender, anyone who says otherwise gets flamed.
You guys are way fixated on Theriot for some reason I don’t fully understand. I’m just saying Reyes has a draw-back and the drawback is he is not a dependable SS.
On the other hand- Theriot is dependable and he is a Cub so he has my support.
If there was a better SS in AAA or on the roster I’d say make it happen, but he is our 2008 SS. Therefore the full size bust of him along with all the other starters is going to look great in my rec room.
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, anyone who believes and states that does not get flamed.
Those who state it ad nauseum simply to get a reaction do.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Therefore the full size bust of him along with all the other starters is going to look great in my rec room.
You’re only getting creepier.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean you're leaving?
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not recall anyone saying he was a "bad" defender.
I believe the message is that he is not a great shortstop. This argument started with the sector of the fan base wanting Ryan on the all-star team ahead of Reyes, Rollins and Ramirez.
This argument divided the site. Those using statistics cited OPS, SB%, Zone Rating (at the time), and slugging. Theriot lovers argued Fielding %, Batting Average and “intangibles.”
You’ve offered nothing new. Have solved no argument. Further, you have resorted to overall site bashing comments and personal crap.
In fact, to state the BCB communited believes anything about Theriot as an absolute is bullshit. We accept him as our SS this year and root for him to succeed. Half believe he is a decent starting SS, the other half hope for an upgrade in the offseason.
Stop painting everyone with the same brush and piss off.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 24, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's what I was gonna say but didn't.
Gonna do my part to turn ya green.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TheRiot is not an allstar
No doubt- but I had people flaming the crap outta me for saying at least he was better than Cedeno.
“Divided the site” I can see that there is a witch-hunt for any Theriot supporters on here.
I’m not into personal attacks (daver, drewid). but I enjoy a little humor.
Sorry to ruin your happy fun time
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you reap
what you sow.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, dude, if you're really not a troll...
…then let’s agree right now to drop the Theriot thing. It’s pretty clear to me that you’re hear to provoke people, pick fights and maybe promote your rather tepid blog.
If that’s not the case, well, you can prove me wrong by letting your weak arguments about Theriot stand on their own shaky merits and leaving the subject alone from now on..
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drop the Theriot thing
Let’s is plural -
So if and when Theriot bashing occurs I should be given some leeway in defending a player that I am thankful is starting at short.
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, just don't bring it up.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, no, I wasn't the dude who loves ZR.
I was the dude who’s not afraid to admit I don’t know enough about defensive metrics to even attempt to wield them in a debate. I suggest you follow suit because, as you ably demonstrated in the game thread the other day, you clearly are no sabremagician yourself.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where's colin when we need him?
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 24, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what the hell
does that have to do with anything? You think we should think you’re smarter because you have tickets?
Yeah, ok.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Typical troll move.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade smarter for tickets
but i see you are all out :-)
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Chewbacca is a wookie
you must acquit.
Problem is, you’re just an a$$hole.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tsk tsk tsk
didn’t your mom teach you not to call people bad names?
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
she told me to call people what they are.
and not hide behind silly rules.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im crying now
my keyboard is getting rusty-
dont take it personal man- Its really not a big deal.
Cubs are going to the playoffs, have a little fun
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am.
usually, I don’t play with fools, but in your case, I’ve made an exception.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Really? Wow.
Theriot is nowhere NEAR as good a fielder as Reyes.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I have what you're smoking? Is it legal?
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 24, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not.
That’s why it’s good.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we'll agree
that we already had this discussion.
He is a real SS, says so on his Topps card.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 24, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't agree...
…on this one.
Theriot has held it together in the field with duct tape and super glue and I am quite surprised his double clutch/mediocre arm has not been exposed more.
Lets hope it stays that way through the playoffs.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter Pence got him once this year
A fast runner who runs out of the box can beat his arm to first on a routine play
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a slow one can beat him too...
if they hit the ball more than 5 steps to either side of him.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 24, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cuban will just have to sign Furcal this offseason
That will take care of this issue
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless...
…of how this season goes, it will be interesting to see if the Cubs do try to upgrade at SS.
I have said this before, but I really think Theriot reminds Lou of his old teamate – Bucky Dent. Dent didn’t have a great arm or exceptional range, but he was steady as a rock on the routine plays. Theriot is actually a much better hitter than Dent, but Lou saw someting in him to send Izturis on his way.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, his annoying habit of grabbing his teammates balls.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just what we need,
a shortstop coming off back surgery!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 24, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, so let's take your contentions at face value.
If:
1) Jose Reyes hits better.
2) Jose Reyes runs the bases better.
3) They are equally valuable as fielders.
Then… THERIOT is the real shortstop?
Seriously?
I’m sorry, but Theriot is struggling to provide league average offense, and Jose Reyes is hitting nearly as well as Aramis Ramirez. There is not a comparison here.
by cwyers on Sep 24, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's on!
(gets popcorn)
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, c'mon, Andre...
…drag out your ZR argument now.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a fine distinction to be made here.
This season, so far, Theriot and Reyes have provided roughly the same defensive value, at least as far as we can measure it. The difference is, we have a lot of data (past seasons ZR, scouting data, age, etc.) to suggest that Reyes has a higher true talent level than Theriot going forward.
by cwyers on Sep 24, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And deep-down we know that Reyes is a better player. We don't need
past seasons ZR, scouting data or anything else. The eyes don’t lie.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The eyes lie all the time.
Derek Jeter is just one example. Sample data lies all the time. Everything lies as often as it can get away with it. The key is to get as much information as possible, because the more info you have, the more likely you are to derive the correct answer from it.
by cwyers on Sep 24, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No they don't. Experience tells you when a
player is better. If you’ve seen enough baseball played, you know when a player is better. You can drag out all of the stats and tratings that you want, but experience will tell you who is the better player.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's a tautology, isn't it?
You’ve essentially decided that you know better than the “stats” (which are really nothing more or less than a record of what occured on the field), and your evidence is that you know better than the stats. There’s really no arguement to be had here, and I’m not going to waste my time chasing my own tail.
by cwyers on Sep 24, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, is your tail scrappy?
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 24, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only point is that stats are not
the be-all and end-all. Some of the evaluation has to have a human element. Stats can be interpreted many ways. There are many factors that stats don’t take into consideration. Untimately the final evaluation will be made by the individual not the stat.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So how much baseball is enough?
That’s the crux of the problem with that argument. A .300 hitter can appear to be worse that a .250 hitter over the course of 20-25 games. A good defensive player can look mediocre, and a bad one can look great. Looking at a record of what the players actually did in totalitay is useful…no?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 24, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This logic you are using.
Is it contagious?
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 24, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
get it off me
GET IT OFF ME!!!!
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aliens?
“Game over, maaaan!”
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willie Mays- you are the man!
I agree- fielding stats are notoriously unreliable for judging a player.
Reyes can rake and he can make some awesome plays, however he also bumbles up routine plays trying to sidearm/Nomar the ball or do some twisty crap.
I like TheRiot’s D at Short- I’m not trying to say he is a better all around player than Reyes, I am just saying that Theriot is all-around more awesome because he is a Cub….
And from everything I have seen- Theriot is much better SS than Cedeno- he is not a better SS than everyone who has ever played the game but he is solid at SS.
And
I love him
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Theriot is all-around more awesome"
my 3rd grade dissertation.
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 24, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
my baseball IQ is = Aloe-Vera
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but seriously.
Theriot=morzz awezome. You convinced me.
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 24, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking more along the lines of a fern.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aloe Vera is a Fern
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, are you a botanist?
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe you
should open your eyes. In everything that matters — range, arm strength, speed, accuracy — Cedeno has better numbers.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but yet Cedeno plays like crap
and screws ball games up- these boards are like some weird corner of the earth where people think Cedeno is a good player.
Cedeno chokes on important plays, he screws up in the basepaths, he overplays his position, throws balls in the stands, and makes throws that even DLee cant dig. Did I mention he has no plate discipline and strikes out too much?
All the stats in the world are not going to make Cedeno play well at SS.
Sorry man- Lou can see he is junk, I watch enough games to see he is junk- I honestly wish he wasn’t bad or we could trade him but nobody wants him.
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the stats
are a numerical representation of what he does and what he is.
I don’t expect you to understand.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabermetrics
Pretty much admits that defensive stats are no good. There are lots and lots of ways to crunch defensive stats but no one has made a fool-proof way to value defensive stats.
This plus/minus thing is pretty good but it still amounts to a lot of human judgment weighed in on every single play.
I totally get the fact that you think i am an idiot and a jerk and everything else- do you want to drop at and talk civil or are you going to keep flaming?
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think I'm flaming you?
you have not yet begun to be flamed.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I know plenty of sabermetricians (like, well, myself) that believe that there are solid fielding metrics – as with anything in sabermetrics, you have to be careful of making conclusions based upon small sample size, but that’s true of offense as well.
But systems like PMR, UZR and SAFE are robust and do tell us a lot about the ability to make plays on defense. (RZR and ZR aren’t as robust, but they do track pretty well with the better measures, especially if you rework them as a plus/minus rating.)
by cwyers on Sep 24, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See
That’s a productive comment!
I was able to read it without wincing, I learned about some fielding stats that I never heard of before and nobody swore!
Here is my general gripe about fielding stats:
How do they account for special situations like when guys are playing for a double-play, or when you have a real good 3B who plays off the line, or when you have to play a little one way or the other because you have a power pitcher throwing?
They really can’t take all this into account unless you subjectively evaluate each play for effectiveness. Then you are back to looking at each play and assigning some version of errors.
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over time, those things even out.
Think of batting average for a second. Some players have certain skills – like being quick, or hitting a lot of line drives – that make them able to hit for a higher batting average.
But every player hits some seeing-eye grounders and Texas Leaguer singles – and in the short run, a player can rack up a lot of “cheap” base hits and look just like the guy that gets base hits through actual talent.
(When I say the short run, incidently, I don’t just mean a week or a month. Remember when Freddy Sanchez won the batting title?)
by cwyers on Sep 24, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seen this
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1025
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 25, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense.
And that’s why I’ll be the first to admit that I’m still rather mystified by defensive stats. Hell, I’m still working on getting comfortable with the offensive ones.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you hate sabermagicians...
all stats are offensive.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 24, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do not hate me because I am beautiful.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely. He's an elite shortstop who's only going to get better.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
More flash than substance?
Reyes already has 71 triples in his short career – a Mets record.
He has a line of .300/.361/.483 OPS: 844, OPS+: 123, 52 SBs, 109 R, 200 H
Yea… just flash.
???
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by big_lowitzki on Sep 24, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to be defensive, but I'm not a sabormetrics (sp) kind of guy
I would be the worst GM known to man, because I would make decisions based on which players have talent AND don’t rub me the wrong way. I see a difference between emotion like Big Z and show boating ego maniacs like Reyes. But this is still just percepiton based on what I see, of course I don’t know any of these guys
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by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point b_l made in his first response
is that you’re emotions are clouded by whose on “your” team
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a lot of people think
a pitcher who breaks a bat over his thigh when he’s winning is, in fact, a showboating egomaniac, for example
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose.
but I think those people should take a pill. :D
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, because he's a Cub
But you’d feel differently if he was a Cardinal
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, actually
I wouldn’t. I would think they’re both silly, but I wouldn’t take it as anything other than expressing emotion loudly. Really.
But I’m from NY, so expressing emotion loudly is something I do all the time.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
All anyone can expect is consistency.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
So Reyes pumping his fists and pointing to his teammates is bad.
Marmol and Z pumping their fists and pointing to the sky and breaking bats over their knees is okay?
Interesting…
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by big_lowitzki on Sep 24, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, we all know what "more flash than substance" means
and its nothing to do with stats
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by californiachicagoan on Sep 24, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm...
… doesn’t the stats show the substance?
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by big_lowitzki on Sep 24, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs lead the league in hotdogs so it is hypocritical to poke at Reyes
I wasn’t upset by his reaction anyway.
by MDBNIU on Sep 24, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't upset by his reaction either, but I
think you are overstating the hotdog factor on this team. Other than Z and Soriano, your rarely see any reaction from the players on this team. In comparison to other players in the league, that seems about normal.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget aramis, edmonds, and marmol
edmonds and aramis loves to pose for their homeruns and marmol’s fist pump almost always happens
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by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have actually been surprised
by the lack of posing by Edmonds. All i have noticed him doing after he makes contact is drop the bat, drop his head and start running the bases. To be honest, I was expecting more hot dogging out of him, so IMO I wouldn’t put him on your list.
Ramirez does pose, but I don’t think it is for an unreasonable amount of time. The ones that bug me are the ones who slowly walk up the first baseline (ala Bonds)
Marmol . . . at least he isn’t as bad as K-Rod
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 24, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and don't get me wrong
my posting history will show i have NO problem with someone posing….i’m just pointing out z and sori aren’t the only ones
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 24, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sometimes pose after a good post.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on Sep 24, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need to take a picture of such pose
and post it immediately following one of your good posts, or at least use it as your avatar :).
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 24, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like this?
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 24, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty darn close.
then I flip the club and stare tauntingly at my keyboard.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on Sep 24, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
believe it or not, that's Lou Gherig
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 24, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Posing after homeruns is no longer considered hotdogging. Players
have come to accept the fact that those kind of reaction are part of the game and seem to be OK with it. As long as you don’t stand there and breakdance, most players don’t seem to mind.
A good indication of reaction to homerun celebrations is how often purpose pitches come after the fact. I don’t see a lot of Cub players getting knocked down, that’s an indication that other players are not upset with the Cub celebrations.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take a look at all...
…professional sports, each and everyone has players doing the “hot dog” stuff that was not as common 30 years ago. It is a part of sports culture now, for many to showboat when they do something good. Look at the NFL, a guy makes a tackle and he acts like he made the game saving tackle in the super bowl.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano, Marmol, Soriano, Ramirez all showboat and let emotions flash excessively...
So lets not beat up the Mets too terribly on this point. Plus, as was mentioned they are fighting for the ability to play in the postseason and are naturally pumped up.
by MDBNIU on Sep 24, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you overstate Marmol and Ramirez. Many relief pitchers react stronger than Marmol
Getting big outs late in a game is a big accomplisment and those reactions don’t seem to carry the stigma they used to.
Ramirez’ reation is pretty tame compared to what you see from some players today.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay but you're missing the point
the point is we shouldn’t jump over reyes for being pumped up after a big hit, bc many of the guys on our team would do the EXACT same thing…..they were playing a big game and it was a big hit
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by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was the only one complaining about Reyes
just to be fair, and my complaining was due to the fact he rubs me the wrong way and did again last night.
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by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
i’m just saying put yourself in reyes place or as a met fan (shudder)….i’m sure you’d think differently
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by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't complain about Reyes either. I have
no problem with his reaction after he got that big hit. He was excited and he showed it. If you don’t want to see a reaction, get the guy out.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wasn't either
every game is a must win for the mets here out, their backs are up against the wall, and a huge hit like that deserves to pump him up
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My take
I don’t mind Reyes showing some emotion. I thought the most bush league display of the night belonged to Fielder after his walk-off. The silly Brewers untuck-the-jersey thing is bad enough but for him to do it after rounding first on the walk-off is a certain invitation to multiple drillings. That was complete nonsense. I did notice that some of the classier Brewers did not partake in that foolish ritual after the game, including Counsell, Kendall and Robin Yount.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Sep 24, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't have a problem with it...
…though I think he could have reined it in a little bit in terms of duration. I know that he’s a player known for that kinda stuff, so I wasn’t surprised at all. There was a great moment last season when Kerry Wood struck him out and Reyes made some sort of demonstrative gestures and Kerry just gave him the look of the death as he walked off the field. It was awesome.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night
I found out last night I’ve been cursed since I was very very young. In my baby book it says “Cubstoseriesby100 loves to sit with Daddy and yell Go Cubs and Go Bears while watching the game with him” this was noted at 22 months.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 24, 2008 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OMG. That's awful. It took me until I went to 2nd grade to get cursed :-)
My parents weren’t baseball fans, that’s why.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 24, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marshall
He was showing his emotion a few times that inning. I wasn’t sure if he was mad at Cedeno or the play itself. But there were a few plays as things falled apart where Marshall was visibly frustrated. It was something that was surprising from Marshall who seems even keel for the most part.
DmL
by dmlichte on Sep 24, 2008 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We should have a stock ticker for Postseason Roster hopefuls each game this week...
Gauden: down
Guzman: even
McGehee: even
Hoff: down
Hart: down
Nobody cares about your fantasy league team
by carmen_fanzone on Sep 24, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
is McGegee a penny stock?
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*McGehee
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked "McGegee" better.
IMO: he’s got as much chance of making the playoff roster as I do.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 24, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you gonna play third, Al?
or are you more of a Reed Johnson, flinging yourself after fly balls type?
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about relief pitching?
We could use the help.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 24, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How's your splitter?
Could use someone with some good off-speed junk, too.
"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Sep 24, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A knuckler
would be a pretty cool thing to have in the bullpen to really throw hitters off.
How’s your knuckleball Al?
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by gwood on Sep 24, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured you'd want to bat more
but sure. How fast is your fastball? Can you throw an overhand curve?
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got about the same value
as Freddie Mac these days.
Aramis = Google
Derrek = Microsoft
Fontenot = MSO
*Synth intro to "Jump"*
by SouthsideCub on Sep 24, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Pie a blue chipper?
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on Sep 24, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are there any blue chip stocks around right now?
because if there are, I hope my broker is digging them up.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Chipper a blue pie?
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where is Geo in that list?
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 24, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are no stocks good
enough to describe him at this point.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 24, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That I would have to whole heartly agree with
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 24, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stock pics...LOL
Its a volatile market now, guys. I dunno about investments in the above right now.
My $.02 I agree w/Al – pitchers are like field goal kickers – the mental game is huge. Marshall, Rich Hill, Marquis on his “bad” days, Cotts…what separates consistent success, from those that do not, appears to be “confidence”. The “good” ones seem to be able to shake off mistakes and come back. To his credit, Ted Lilly has really done it this year (although he’s thrown some stinkers too – but then the legend of the 10-9 Rockies game would not have happened).
Gaudin – Sell
Hoff-Power – Sell – wait until Spring ’09
Pie – Bull market, Strong buy
Ward – Neutral
Howry – puke
by The E-Man on Sep 24, 2008 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One Week From Today Baby
Hard to believe. One week from today the Cubs start their march to the World Series. As Ron Santo said: THIS IS THE YEAR!!!
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on Sep 24, 2008 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm already planning my trip up to Chicago for it
Game 1 – bringing the wife and celebrating my birthday at Wrigley.
Hopefully seeing Dempster vs. some worn out Mets pitcher, maybe Nelson Figueroa or Oliver Perez.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky Dog
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on Sep 24, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I've got it pretty good
(knocking on wood)
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got my flight booked, too...
…I fly down from the frozen tundra in time for game 1 of the NLCS.
Looking for good, weird jazz in between games. Emelie? Little help?
by sniffy the bee on Sep 24, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try the Velvet Lounge
I havent been to their new location, but Fred Anderson always books good acts
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Sep 24, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's definitely...
…on my list.
Empty Bottle is in full-on rock mode that weekend. Which is fine by me, too.
by sniffy the bee on Sep 24, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colin Cowherd
A few weeks back he said the Cubs wouldn’t make the playoffs (when we were having our great sept start). This morning he just said we will beat the Mets if we play them in the Division series. I don’t know if this scares me, perplexes me, or what?
"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus
by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Take anything he says
with a grain of salt.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate him so much
i usually flip over to rome…..yah it’s that bad
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He enjoys the flip flop
I always make sure to avoid listening to him. Switch over to Waddle and Silvy on the internet ESPN radio feed.
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another reason I hate Cecil and the Brewers...
Untucking his bedsheet he calls a jersey as he’s rounding FIRST after his GW home run.
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by carmen_fanzone on Sep 24, 2008 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, If there is ever a team that deserves to be over confident.........the Brewers
(where is that SARCASM sign)
"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus
by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's some help
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Sep 24, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who doesn't like a player undressing after he crosses first base after a walkoff?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 24, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that BREWER UNDERWEAR???
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like Brewer girdle
If Fielder really is a vegetarian than he most be circling by the Culver’s drive thru window 13 times a day for a biggie fries and a triple decker chocolate sundae.
by MDBNIU on Sep 24, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually find this untucking pretty disrespectful to the game.
This untucking is trashy.
I long for the old days when Cecil’s big belly would be a target for some serious fast balls.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 24, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prince tearing off his jersey after a walk-off home run
seems like a strange way to celebrate a win.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 24, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fries are made with vegetable oil, I think
If you eat 10 servings/day of a vegetarian meal, does that mean you’re REALLY a vegetarian?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we really need to complain about this? How
could that team look more like horses’ asses than what they are doing? The picture speaks for itself. If I were a brewer fan, I would be ashamed to admit it.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes me laugh, though
Even a Brewer fan here had to laugh when I asked if Prince had Brewer jammies. His response — “and a bib”
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
It’s done as a show of unity, I guess. The “disrespecting the game” angle doesn’t bother me. The “looking like jackasses” does.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What surprised more than the untucking
was that Bill Hall was able to pick up Fielder off the ground for a good 3 seconds.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Sep 24, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As he was driven into the ground up to his knees.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you hear Ueker's call of the home run?
It was simply priceless!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Sep 24, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be ridiculous...
…those are clearly Fantastic Four Underoos.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a fan of our starting rotation too?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 24, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And suddenly
Docker’s boxers just took a sales hit
by TC Cubby on Sep 24, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to know...
…what he is tilting the scales at. It has to be at least 300 bills.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His shadow weighs 15lbs.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on Sep 24, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, if you are the Brewers and know that you have to rebuild anyway...
…then I think you do everything to peddle Prince Fielder to the highest bidder this winter. He’s already dropped a million hints that he wants a monstrous contract when his time comes due. With him being this fat at such a relatively young age he is going to have hard time sustaining success. Reminds me of a fatter version of Mo Vaughn who the Boston Red Sox were smart enough to let go. Vaughn went to the Angels, got even fatter and was a colossal mega-expensive bust.
by MDBNIU on Sep 24, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see that...
…and I would think the Brewers are going to go through a pretty significant shakeup this winter.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I can’t imagine them keeping Fielder around much longer, its just not worth it to them if they won’t keep him later. Trade him while his stock is high.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 24, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His old man ate his way out
of the league and he seems to be traveling down the same path.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please some of us are just finishing breakfast. *shudder*
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 24, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is third base -- a Brewer fan pointed that out to me
He’s right — PGH is in the background. Visitors have the 3rd base dugout in MKE
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He untucked twice
Once around first, then finished the job around third.
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He untucked twice
Once around first, then finished the job around third.
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah
twice as nice
not
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn double posting
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant the double untucking, not the double posting
I had no issue with that . . . you didn’t do it on purpose.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then damn double untucking
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Mother of God...that is so wrong on so many levels.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can actually see it from his POV now, too.
I wouldn’t want to wear a Brewer jersey either.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like...
…he’s hoping to take flight.
by sniffy the bee on Sep 24, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There should be
a law against that type of viewing. EWWWWW!!!!
by sue369 on Sep 24, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exit Chad Gaudin, enter Bob Howry on the playoff roster
Gaudin is either still hurt or has a lot of rust to work off. Either way I would think he sealed his fate last night and will be left off the playoff roster. Which would seem to make Bob Howry a lock to secure a bullpen spot. I don’t’ agree with Howry making it, but I do believe that is what will happen.
As I’ve said before my biggest worry for the post season is our bullpen not being up to the challenge and losing ballgames. It’s tough to have much faith in Howry and Neal Cotts. Jason Marquis has never pitched out of the bullpen before so who knows how that will work. Jeff Samardizija is inexperienced. Carlos Marmol can figure on pitching a very heavy post-season workload. Lets hope he is up to the challenge.
by MDBNIU on Sep 24, 2008 9:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
This bullpen has been too shaky to be a lock. I tend to agree that they are the weakest link in our chain. Our starting pitching is not good enough to overcome a shaky bullpen. We are going to need the bullpen to be lights out to win this thing. There are far too many question marks in this group for me to feel confident.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are rarely perfect teams
If our middle inning relief is our biggest question mark, I’ll take it. Starters go long, marmol and wood close it out the majority of the time, you live with what the Shark gives you, you close your eyes in fear if our mid inning guys have to pitch and hope for the best.
"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus
by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Marmol may find himself in every postseason game
God how I hope he is up to the task.
by MDBNIU on Sep 24, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has never shown he wasn't up to the task
I think Lou will be throwing him in the 7th and 8th of one run ballgames
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus, with the extended schedule, he'll have built in off days to recover
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just thinking about this is getting me JACKED
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry Wood better have his stuff together for the ninth
Otherwise Lou will have Marmol throwing three innings a game
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood has looked much better recently
I think/hope he’s through his early-September struggles
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's face it..
Kerry Wood coming into a 1 run ballgame in a pressure packed playoff game is going to cause indigestion. Wood has fallen into a disturbing pattern of rapidly putting a couple men on board and then having to pitch out of significant jam. As we all remember early in the season his dilemma was hitting and walking batter’s early on.
It would be further black cloud on the sordid history of this franchise if we lost the critical game of the playoffs because Kerry Wood imploded in the 9th. But yes, this is the nightmare scenario that keeps playing in my head.
by MDBNIU on Sep 24, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not worried about Kerry
Mostly because if he does mess up, even once, Lou will prolly think about pulling the plug and going with Marmol.
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am. He seems to be hitting a lot of bats
there days. His fastball has gotten pretty hittable. His breaking ball better be there or he gets knocked around theses days.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His last outing
Even tho it lasted three pitches, they were all called strike fastballs. I think that was a good sign. He hasn’t been as dominant as he has been this season, but he has gotten the job done for the most part.
I don’t know how many people remember the Sunday night baseball save against the Dodgers back in June or July, but he was unhittable. I hope Kerry can channel that day and do it every time he pitches in the postseason.
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not rocket science...
…with Kerry. If he has a decent breaking ball and is throwing it for strikes, his fastball is much less hittable.
As with any pitcher, its not how hard you throw, its about what kind of doubt you put in the hitters head. Wood becomes dominant when you throws first pitch breaking balls for strikes. This slows the hitter’s bat down enouph to make his fastball difficult to catch up to.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Well put. Good obsevations.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou is all over this...
…because he has told the bullpen catcher to make sure Kerry throws enouph breaking balls (when warming up) to make sure he has it when he comes in the game.
Also, Kerry’s approach will be driven by the scouting reports. First pitch fastball hitters should get nothing but breaking balls early in the count, and he can rely on his heater more on guys who tend to be more patient.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty much everybody. First pitch breaking-ball
guessers don’t make it in the bigs.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, any Cubs playoff game is bound to cause indigestion.
I’m not going to worry about Wood. He’s been solid for most of the year, and I think he’s worked out of his slump from earlier this month.
If we lose a playoff game, I don’t think it will be his fault.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but he’s pitched out of those jams more often than not.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus i think a guy like kerry
has the intangibles that allows him to step up his game in the playoffs
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by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just keeps you up at night, doesn't in, Blue Mike.
The history of the franchise has nothing to do with it. Wood’s as locked in as he’s going to be. Every closer blows saves. Kerry Wood will be fine.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about that mid-season meltdown?
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 24, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
these long threads
always make a comment appear out of order. In any case, I was replying to nji’s comment re Marmol: He has never shown he wasn’t up to the task
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 24, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After the Cubs changed that hit in his Giants meltdown to an error
I decided that I would also pretend like that whole meltdown never happened.
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by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again...
… Gaudin gave up a bloop double, and infield hit, and two singles that were not hit that hard.
He just got unlucky.
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by big_lowitzki on Sep 24, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My stab at playoff roster
1. Soto, 2. Lee, 3. DeRosa, 4. Ramirez, 5. Theriot, 6. Soriano, 7. Johnson, 8. Edmonds, 9. Fukudome,
10. Zambrano, 11. Dempster, 12. Harden, 13. Lilly,
14. Marquis, 15. Wood, 16. Samardija, 17. Cotts, 18. Marshall, 19. Wuertz, 20. Marmol
21. Ward, 22. Fontenot, 23. Pie, 24, Cedeno, 25. Blanco
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on Sep 24, 2008 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good stab....
…but I think Howry will get picked over Wuertz, much to my chagrin.
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by carmen_fanzone on Sep 24, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still believe
but maybe it is irrational at this point, that Gaudin will make it, leaving Howry and Wuertz on the outside
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 24, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No question...
…this is Lou’s toughest decision, as I tend to think the position player selections are pretty straight forward.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin didn't look good last night
Either the back is an issue or there is lots of rust to work off. He was grooming his pitches last night as well. Not sure what his velocity was, but I was not impressed by any stretch. For him to be in a position to help the Cubs in the NLDS is a big stretch.
by MDBNIU on Sep 24, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grooming his pitches? Who the hell was pitching last night
Vidal Sassoon? Where’s SWL? We need an image here.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 24, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another mystery solved!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can find out his velocity easily enough...
…by looking at Gameday. But far be it for a baseball genius like you to do any research.
FWIW, he was throwing mid 80s to low 90s. His fastest pitch was a 93 MPH fastball that Santana fouled off.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his second day back?
there’s still five games to go in the regular season. Let’s see how Gaudin does in the two games he’ll probably pitch in. Lou’s smart — he won’t make a snap decision like some people.;
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'd say Wuertz is a long shot at best.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I think wuertz has a good out pitch… but I know Lou hates when he walks people
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on Sep 24, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a good out pitch when it's working...
…but I think Lou has zero confidence in him.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a real long shot. He's pretty much used all of
his “Get out fo Jail Free” cards with Lou. I don’t think Lou trusts him to throw strikes.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let me try to break this down
The following 19 guys are locks to make the playoff roster
Soto, Lee, DeRosa, Ramirez, Theriot, Soriano, Johnson, Edmonds, Zambrano, Dempster, Harden, Lilly, Wood, Marshall, Marmol, Fontenot, Ward, Cedeno, Blanco.
Can we agree on that?
That leaves 6 openings for guys “on the bubble”
I would say the bubble in guys are Fukudome, Marquis, Samardija, Cotts
That leaves us with 2 spots left we can debate
Pie, Howry, Guzman, Hoff, Wuertz, Gaudin, and big maybes for Wells/McGehee
Geez I feel like Joe Lunardi doing Bracketology
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by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome and Marquis aren't bubble guys. Maybe in
your mind but not Lou’s.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey i said they are bubble in guys
but i wouldn’t give them the lock status yet…..this is my bracketology and i can do what i want!
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you can't! I'm the boss of you.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm thinking about starting a fan post about this
set up like lunardi’s bracketology http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology
with last four in, last four out, next four out, and giving bumbs to players that increase their chances of getting in and demotions to players that don’t
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like fun. Go for it.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"What's a bubble boy?"
“Well, he’s a boy who lives in a bubble.”
“Boy!”
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, the card says "Moops."
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Moors not Moops, you idiot.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope... it says Moops
you lose bubble boy
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on Sep 24, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's the guy who killed the Bubble Boy! Get him!
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's nothing finer than being in your diner.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like the picture back, please.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you know what happened in the Mets game don't tell me, I taped it. Hello?
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on Sep 24, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
…this is what I think may happen if Lou keeps the anticipated 11 pitchers.
Soto
Blanco
Lee
Ward
DeRosa
Fontenot
Theriot
Cedeno
Ramirez
Soriano
Edmunds
Johnson
Fukudome
Pie
Z
Dempster
Lilly
Harden
Marquis
Wood
Marmol
Spellcheck
Cotts
Marshall
Howry/Gaudin – leaning towards Howry right not
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you have gaudin
as the last guy out? and the last guy in is howry?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
…the last five games will determine which of these guys makes it. I would think Gaudin would have to knock Howry out of the box at this point.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just wanted to make sure
i think pie is the last position player in and hoff the last position player out
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't need...
…both Ward and Hoffpauir, and Lou is not going to not go with Ward.
What you do need is the speed and defense Pie brings to the table, that could come in very handy in tight games.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You serious? You think Lou is dumping Ward? I don't.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read it again...
…I said Lou is not going to nix Ward. I worded it funny, but I have not doubt Lou will go with Ward’s track record/experience.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
double negatives
so are not the right way to not do things
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't not agree with you on this.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After long bus rides...
…and a few cold ones, english class was not a priority the next day.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 24, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought so. I was just keeping you on your toes.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah sorry but i have ward as a lock
even lou can’t get him out of the lock position right now….
my playoff roster-tology is an exact science
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howry won't need help
If it’s the Howry we all know, he’ll probably knock himself out of the running.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on Sep 24, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes sense to me - including the part about Howry, frighteningly enough.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so Guzman has no chance at all?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh.
ok.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nitpick
Al, if Johnson was 10 for 19 and goes 2 for 3, he’s 12 for 22, not 11 for 22.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Sep 24, 2008 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Those stats
didn’t sound right to me either, but I couldn’t figure out why so early in the morning.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 24, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little OT, but
Good news for the Rays. They were able to sell out their first two playoff games.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #5 4-0 (0-0). Next up at Nebraska October 4th. Live on ESPN in primetime. Chase Daniel and Jeremy Maclin for Co-Heisman!
by nji232 on Sep 24, 2008 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There truly is a first time for everything.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a mistake........
tickmaster listed those dates as Brooks & Dunn on back to back nights. A lot of unhappy country music fans
"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus
by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know I'm joking right?
"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus
by graceunderpressure on Sep 24, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're joking since Tampa Bay likes
Billy Currington and Taylor Swift more than Brooks & Dunn.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 24, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's more than the dodgers can say
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That bandwagon has "Radio Flyer" on the side, is red and about 4 feet long.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder how many cubs fans will snatch up their playoff tickets
if the brewers get the wild card…..look at their website, there are so many tickets left
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 24, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it conflicts with a Packers game, the stands will be all Cubs fans.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 24, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll certainly give it a shot.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I approve!
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looooove that website someEcards
As they say, when you care enough to hit “send”
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 24, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly higher?
TB has 43M plus change this year, and Rodriguez’s salary is 28M this year.
Those numbers alone are ridiculous, on both sides, but the gap between TB’s salary and Rodriguez’s salary accounts for 35% of the whole TB salary.
Hardly “slightly higher” than what Rodriguez is getting.
by NittanyCub on Sep 24, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw Kruk's commentary and I thought he was full of it.
Yeah Marshall got frustrated with Santana’s hit but he came back and struck out Reyes. If he lost his control that might be about his baseball maturity but I don’t think it was because he was frustrated. He got distracted, it happens to most pitchers. I thought Kruk was a bit high and mighty in harshing on Marshall. Especially after the innings he pitched.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 24, 2008 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Getting hard to write these recaps"
Haha… just be glad you’re not in charge of the Angels version of BCB.
(With 300+ comments, I’m sure someone already made that joke… I just scrolled through the comments, without reading ’em.)
by MillsChC on Sep 24, 2008 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would hate to be doing Astro or Cardinal recaps
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on Sep 24, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Seattle Mariners recaps.
“The Drive for 60 Wins Continues!”
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or the Pirates
“Rebuilding Continues for Another Year.”
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pirates
“Providing top notch talent to MLB for decades.”
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 24, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Astros:
9.24.08
Top 100 Blamees For the 2008 Season
No. 34 – Shellfish in San Diego
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what the rest of that list looks like.
Not to mention, I thought the list would be longer.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on Sep 24, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nationals
“Still trying to dispell the myth that a team can make in our nations capital”
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 24, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blue Jays
“No, Seriously, We’re a Major League Baseball Team. What’s That? No, In Canada. Canada.”
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda pissed that 2:20 pm was my first chance to get on BCB today...
…The nerve of people, expecting me to WORK while I am at WORK.
How is everyone?
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 24, 2008 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mixing work and leisure
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not working.
At work.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peter, I understand you've been missing work.
Well, I wouldn’t say I’ve been missing it Bob.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 24, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a go getter with upper management potential written all over him
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 24, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a people person
I deal with the customers so the engineers don’t have to. Don’t you get that? What the hell is wrong with you people!
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he said.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Marshall was more upset at the circumstances
rather than with Ronny. But he did go down hill after that. So what ever the reason, he needs to maintain his edge when he gets a bad break.
by 100yearitch on Sep 24, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT
The reuters headline states, and I quote: “FBI said to probe Fannie, Freddie, Lehman, AIG.”
Anyone else see something odd about this phrasing?
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 24, 2008 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
That’s a good one.
Reminds me of one from last year:
“Royals to get a taste of Angel’s Colon”
by John Q Freejazz on Sep 24, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that one
had to be on purpose.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last few days
I feel like I’m going through the motions. Anyone else feel that way too? I hope the game tonight is excitng so I can feel some emotion.
by sue369 on Sep 24, 2008 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
definitely going through the motions.
Though I think Zambrano’s start tonight will pique my interest.
Still, even though the Cubs have wrapped everything up, it still wasn’t fun to watch them lose last night.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano should take it easy tonight....
This game is meaningless unless by some chance Carlos Zambrano is closet Milwaukee Brewer fan. I could care less if the Cubs lose by two touchdowns. Just get Zambrano, Harden and Dempster best ready for the NLDS. Lilly, Marmol and Wood too.
by MDBNIU on Sep 24, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if the Cubs lose by 2 touchdowns tonight
chances are Zambrano won’t have pitched well, which I would like to see him to do tonight, given that it’s his last start before the playoffs.
Plus, I’d like to see the Cubs force the Mets to pitch Santana on Sunday by playing well these next two games, thereby giving us an advantage should they face the Mets in the NLDS.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 24, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou actually thinks quite the contrary...
Quote in the Trib:
“He needs a good workday,” Piniella said. “So we’re going to let him go.”
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 24, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you were ever in a winning game thread
we might be able to tell you you’re wrong when it happens.
Like we did when Pie got called up. Remember that? Good times…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weren't you listening to Sweet Lou?
The above quote implies differently…Since this is his lat work until next week…
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 24, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last night minus Geo maybe that was part of the problem for you
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 24, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean Hank White doesn't get the ladies excited like Geo?
No…
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 24, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cant speak for all of them....
but Blanco fan club I wont join
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 24, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you say...
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 24, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Business in the front...fiesta in the back...
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 24, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win.
On a side note, I think he was the single happiest player on the field when they clinched.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed.
the look on his face was amazingly cool.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved him highfiving an unsuspecting Aramis.
I think he fully understands his playing time is limited and is enjoying the ride. But he did have that killer walkoff against St Louis.
I think it’s safe to say BCB loves us some Hank White.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hank White is my kinda dude. If I were walking in an alley
on the South Side in the middle of the night, he seems like he’d be a good fight partner!
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 24, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hank White is one heckuva ugly dude
He’s got tattoos all over his body too. I was at a game in June where Blanco was working out pre-game in a tank top. His arms are covered in garish gargoyles or some similar type crap.
by MDBNIU on Sep 24, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice judgemental attitude.
hey! let’s take a respected ball player and make fun of him because he looks different and has tattoos!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahaha
“Garish gargoyles or some similar type crap.”
Wow.
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 24, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone else think this thread is getting a little weird?
we need a pregame thread soon!
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 24, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just this thread.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 24, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true but when blue mike is commenting on how blanco looks.....
is what put this thread I think totally over the edge LOL
Happy that the pregame one is finally up
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 24, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are LeBron's....
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 24, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so to recap:
Sabremetrics: False
Sports Illustrated curse: True
Tattoos: Bad
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 24, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1,583
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 24, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sand
pounded.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 24, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching
King
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Sep 24, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garish Gargoyles? As you please, my leige...
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 24, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be but
I was late getting to the game threads so I just didn’t feel the game as much.
by sue369 on Sep 24, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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