Playoff Tuneup: Cubs 9, Mets 6
by Al on Sep 25, 2008 8:36 AM CDT
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Even when Z pitches poorly, they win.
Even when middle relief fails, they win.
I LOVE THIS TEAM!
Nearly four hours after last night's game began, Derrek Lee dinked a little popup down the right field line, just fair, scoring Ryan Theriot, who had singled and stolen second with two out, and then Aramis Ramirez put the exclamation point on the tenth-inning rally with a two-run homer, his twenty-seventh, and the Cubs beat the Mets 9-6, giving the Mets a body blow in their attempt to win the wild card. This entire series has been somewhat surreal because I think most of you would probably rather have the Mets as a first-round playoff opponent than the other possibilities (now basically reduced to the Phillies and Dodgers), and so the Cubs, having given the Mets two soul-crushing defeats in this series (and clinching the season series, leading 4-1), can turn around and help them get in by beating the Brewers in Milwaukee this weekend.
What a long, strange trip this has been. It may get stranger tonight if the rain that is forecast for the New York area gets there before the game is over -- and even if it doesn't, it looks like the Mets may have trouble getting their weekend series with the Marlins in.
That, however, isn't the Cubs' problem. What is the Cubs' problem is yet another pitching meltdown by Carlos Zambrano. Z threw two good innings before blowing up in the third, walking nearly everyone in the state of New York before giving up a grand slam to Carlos Delgado. Z gave up only two hits other than the homer -- a one-out single to Argenis Reyes in that third inning and another single to David Wright in the fifth, at which point Lou had had enough and yanked him.
The bullpen did OK until Jeff Samardzija decided to do his Z impression (maybe that Second City thing he did last week was on his mind and he's auditioning to be an impressionist?) and walk in a run. That tied the game in the 8th, and no wonder the game was so darn long -- there were sixteen bases on balls issued by both teams, nine by Cubs pitchers and seven by the Mets.
And darned if Bob Howry didn't help save the day by throwing a scoreless bottom of the ninth, getting out of a jam he started by allowing a leadoff triple to Daniel Murphy, setting up D-Lee's and A-Ram's heroics. Kerry Wood finished up with his 34th save.
All wins are good; this one, though it meant nothing to the Cubs in the standings was particularly impressive because it shows that they have maintained their focus even while playing out the string, and they beat a team that is desperately trying to hang on to a playoff spot, and one they may face next week. We can be a little worried about Mark DeRosa, who strained his calf and had to leave the game; he'll sit for a couple of days to rest it, although Lou was going to give him two days off anyway. And Bruce Miles tells us that Lou appears to be leaning toward Ryan Dempster starting game 1 next Wednesday -- and I'd agree with that assessment, and I'd probably go with tonight's starter, Rich Harden, in game 2, starting Z in game three on the road.
We, as always, await developments. Finally, one development you should know about: the games tonight in New York and tomorrow night in Milwaukee, originally scheduled for CSN, will now be on CSN Plus (CLTV in Chicago; if you watch via EI you will not be affected, but I know that some Chicago-area viewers don't get CLTV) -- the White Sox games, more important in the pennant races, have been moved to CSN's main channel.
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Ferrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrst!
Great win! Even when the Cubs try to give away a game, they take it right back.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like Howry
Gave them a leadoff triple, then took it right back pitching out of a jam. After the triple, he seemed to pitch a lot better. Or maybe the Mets just suck really bad.
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by tony412 on Sep 25, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's the beard.
he looked fierce. determined.
by CubFaninNY on Sep 25, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of playoff beards on this team already
the Canadians are taking over!
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 25, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 25, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Ted Lilly try and grow a beard.
He should have started in July.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding? Terrible Ted could
grow a beard in about 5 minutes. All he would have to do is threaten those whiskers and they would come running out.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 25, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's his one weakness.
Something Ted tells no one, but he gets a 5:00 shadow 48 hours after shaving.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to channel his inner-DeRosa
who seems to have a 5:00 shadow by noon.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 25, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the yin-and-yang of the clubhouse beards
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's assuming razors can pierce Ted's skin.
Ted doesn’t have a beard cos Ted doesn’t want a beard.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 25, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true...he grows one on on each offday...and shaves it off that night.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 25, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theodore Roosevelt Moses Lilly?
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every girl's crazy for a sharp-dressed Cub!
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could try
but it would be patchy and hideous. I tried once during finals week in college, it wasn’t pretty.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same.
I went about a solid week when I had time off to move. Two days before I needed to shave I got rid of it. Itchiness + patchiness = fail.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 25, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, and bottom of the seventh...
…Mets have runners on first and third with no outs and still can’t score. Good stuff.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets put the leadoff man on in the 5th-9th innings
and scored 1 run. Now, that’s frustrating.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of nice seeing that happen to the OTHER team, isn't it!
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by Al on Sep 25, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I almost felt a little sorry for some of the Mets fans there last night.
Then I slapped some sense into myself and went back to enjoying the game.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost did too--but then NAAHHHH!
After seeing black cat footage—hearing Sutcliffe talk about their fans throwing a black cat from the upper deck inot the bullpen in ’84 and other fond memories—screw ’em.
"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
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by cubfever7 on Sep 25, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was going to say -
We know how that feels, don’t we?
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by lostinthevines on Sep 25, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing exactly
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Sep 25, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is posted over at the Met's Blog
Amazin Avenue and it fits right here as well
a man on third and no outs is worth approximately 1.5 runs! oh and hey, bases loaded with 1 out is 1.6 runs! oh and look, first and third with no outs is 1.8!!!
/eats gun barrel
//fires
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Posted that before I was finished
As the announcers said last night, you can’t blame the Mets’ loss on their pitchers when the offense gives up scoring opportunities like this.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the melancholy/
ennui over there is just hilarious. One thing you CAN give credit to Mets fans for is stinging wit. I certainly know their pain….
by 26.2cubsfan on Sep 25, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone just called in to ESPN
and asked something along the lines of ‘Am I the only one who wished that maybe Bobby Howry would screw up the bottom of the 9th to pitch himself off the PS roster?’ I thought about it, and I say there’s no way I wanted him, but darned if I wasn’t expecting it. That being said I still would never want Howry near the mound in any sort of tight pressure situation in the PS.
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by Jayo525 on Sep 25, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a blend...
…of Howry not giving them anything to hit, and the Mets hitters being tight as you can be.
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by MPH73 on Sep 25, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
White Sox??
I’ve heard of them. Are they still playing?
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by Ihatethecards on Sep 25, 2008 8:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Barely
they are getting handled by the Twins right now
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by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins are a pretty amazing team
…..at least in the regular season, year after year competing, and this year minus Johan, Hunter and Carlos Silva.
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by tony412 on Sep 25, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins
are a model organization for small markets. they lose their best players, but continue to compete, it’s amazing.
You are right about their playoff reputation though, they can’t seem to close the deal once they get there.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I would say the A’s are in the same mold.
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by tony412 on Sep 25, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team relies on too much youth
due to cost restrictions. Inexperience is a major weakness for both these franchises each time they get to the playoffs.
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by californiachicagoan on Sep 25, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But notice how you say
each time they make the playoffs. Despite the fact that they do not go deep into the playoffs, these teams have found a way to stay competitive year in and year out
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by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those paranyas will bite your ass!
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 25, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you still have to keep
Believin!
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by tony412 on Sep 25, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ju got to boleeve, mayn!
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by lostinthevines on Sep 25, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We got to get help from the boopen, ju know!
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 25, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, Mark Buerhle called them something else last night.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winners
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by lostinthevines on Sep 25, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox
did get hosed on one call last night. The Twins runner was picked off second base, but was called safe. That runner scored the Twins second run, IIRC.
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by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched the game, too.
The 2nd base ump was on the other side of the Twins player’s body (Cabrera’s tag was on the player’s left side, towards left field; the ump was more towards 1B line) and couldn’t see the tag actually being applied. He could, however, see the player’s hands tagging the base, so I don’t blame the ump. He was out, for sure, but it wasn’t really a blown call, per se, IMHO.
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by lostinthevines on Sep 25, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, as I said to a friend of mine towards the end of the game
and after being mentioned / blamed by Hawk for the loss, that a good way to combat bad calls is to SCORE MORE RUNS.
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by lostinthevines on Sep 25, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, the MN rookie starter
was out of the game after the 5th. From that point on they got exactly 1 single.
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by tony412 on Sep 25, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the same time
Who would’ve ever thought the Sox would be in contention at this point of the season?
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by Jayo525 on Sep 25, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way does Z
deserve that opening start. I’ve said it since last winter, I can’t trust him. His antics on the mound in more like a spoiled 12 year old. Get under control Z, this team needs your best! I don’t think Lou will put up with that and he shouldn’t. Go with Dempster and Hardin.
And, message to Lou: Don’t have Cedeno bunt again. He is clueless how to put one down in the correct area to advance runners.
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by mrcubsfan on Sep 25, 2008 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
3.91 ERA does not make you an ace.
by CubFaninNY on Sep 25, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep start Z in game 3
I think he had control problems last night, but doesn’t want to let on about it.. He was even talking to the Ump about it in the last at bat
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by Ihatethecards on Sep 25, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've come around on not starting z in game 1
however here are two things to keep in mind
z is clearly a head case, once you get in there it’s hard for him to get back on track…..therefore i would think keeping z away from opposing fans would be a VERY good idea
also rich harden has not made it a secret he likes pitching at night when it’s cooler….if the schedule comes out that game 2 is during the day and game 3 at night, i think it’s a pretty easy decision to go dempster, z, harden
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by cubswynn on Sep 25, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weather
if Games 1 and 2 are at night, line up the Canadians. (10-day forecast here)
Game 1 – high 65, low 51 – let’s throw Dempster
Game 2 – high 65, low 52 – sounds like Harden weather to me
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this setup too.
Demp, Z then Rich.
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by Blue W on Sep 25, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the fact that Cedeno still hasn't figured out...
…the fundamentals of bunting in that situation: 
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and was clueless...
covering first on the bunt. Everyone in the workd knew a bunt was coming. Get to 1st on time!!!
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by MikeOxbyg on Sep 25, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not get too giggly
Things are masking some things that need some attention, need some work.
Same as it ever was.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Sep 25, 2008 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al,
I’m assuming you watched the WCIU broadcast… If you watched ESPN, Sutcliffe pointed out that Koyie Hill was telegraphing Shark’s pitches. Each time he threw a fastball, he shifted his leg outside, whie on breaking pitches, he didn’t.
I don’t know if you blame Shark in that situration, or not, b ut it was an interesting observation.
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by moose97 on Sep 25, 2008 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that's interesting.
I listened to most of the game on the radio and caught the very end on WCIU, so I didn’t hear that. If what Sutcliffe said is true, Samardzija is lucky all he did was give up a run on a couple hits and a couple walks. And he still got out of the inning with minimal damage.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes easy to spot his pitches
once Sutcliff pointed it out. I think they knew what was coming.
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by Ihatethecards on Sep 25, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad someone brought this up...
It was pretty obvious what he was going to throw. Glad Hill isn’t going to be catching in the playoffs.
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 25, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
We should emphasis that it was Hill catching and giving up the pitch and location.
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by Ihatethecards on Sep 25, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah not only was he giving up
the pitch, but the location…..shark was hitting 96 last night so i’m not too worried about that
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by cubswynn on Sep 25, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think last nights game Soto was missed by a variety of the pitchers.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 25, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't get to see much of the game and what I saw was on WCIU.
That’s a pretty cool observation and shows Sutcliffe can be a decent analyst. Took me a second to register “Koyie Hill” and only on playoff roster in the event of an injury and then as a backup. Whew.
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by N Oakley on Sep 25, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have really
gotten to like Sutcliffe. I enjoy it all the time when the Cubs are on Wednesday night baseball and Rick get to do the color.
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by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murray
in the booth was good also. Sut. was on Hills movement behind the plate and tipping pitches. Sutcliffe is a good guy and a good analylist.
Sut. told a good story about Murray in NY, in 1989, Murray bringing “cajun fries” and a Heinkne (beer, spelling sucks), around the dugout, and Murray poking his head into the dugout, asking Sutcliffe if wanted some. Good story if you caught it.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 25, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else remember Bill Murray filling in for Harry Caray?
I saw a video on YouTube of Murray and Steve Stone sharing the WGN broadcast booth while Harry was recovering from his stroke. I wouldn’t want to watch that every game, but boy was it fun just that once.
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by hip2bsquare on Sep 25, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see it at the time...
…but I’ve watched all those clips on YouTube. They’re well worth finding – hilarious stuff.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when Murray was screaming at the Cubs batters, "Hey Rafe, Rafe!"
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 25, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the videos have been taken down
:(
I wanted to see Eric Gregg trying to squeeze into the Cubs’ catching gear again!
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by hip2bsquare on Sep 25, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, man...that sucks.
Someone had essentially posted the entire game – including the pregame. Bummer.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the best of all the fill in announcers.
Best line happened when they got Murray’s mother in the booth and Stone asked her, “Mrs. Murray, was Bill raised by wolves”?
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by Al on Sep 25, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sutcliffe was interviewed on Cubs pregame on the radio
Awesome interview.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 25, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ESPN broadcast wasn't available in Chicago...
… so I didn’t hear Sutcliffe’s observation. Very sharp of him — I’ve always liked Sut as an analyst.
If that really was happening — I wouldn’t worry about it for the postseason, because Hill won’t be on the roster. (I do wonder how the hitters noticed what Hill was doing behind them, though.)
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by Al on Sep 25, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
runner on second base could have been giving the batter signals
Like what we do from the scoreboard
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by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the runner was,
there could be some retribution for that, if he was doing in an obvious manner.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a problem with the runner giving out signals
Im sure every team does it, and its more the catchers fault for tipping the pitches.
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by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends for me.
If you can figure out a way to discretely do it, go for it. But to yell or relay locations in a little league manner doesn’t sit well with me.
That said, it was pretty easy to figure out Samardzija’s pitch pattern, since everything to left-handed hitters was away, and inside to right-handed batters it seemed.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they are yelling and screaming the pitches
Then something should be done, no question. I would hope they wouldn’t be dumb enough to do that tho.
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by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would assume they wouldn't be either,
but with some of these guys, you never know.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be the guy on deck too.
pretty easy for him to whistle or something.
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 25, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last 3-2 Pitch
wasn’t even close anyway and that’s when he had to make a good pitch.
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by tony412 on Sep 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
once I knew what to look for from Sut it was easy to see. Hill would pop his legs out quickly for the breaking ball and shift sloooooowly over for the fastball. It would’ve been incredibly easy for the man on second to simply swipe his leg for one pitch or the other.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 25, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. I just hope Sutcliffe talked to Hill about that after the game.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 25, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill won't play (much) in the postseason.
But I would hope someone in the organization noticed and gets him to break it.
Or, if he’s playing for another team next year, he doesn’t.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 25, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill won't be on the roster in the postseason
Unless Geo or Hank get hurt.
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by JohnM on Sep 25, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and when the play by play guy
compared Sut’s midseason move to CC’s, did Sut pull a BB and go on and on about how great he was? absolutely not…..he merely smiled and said “i was lucky”
so refreshing to not hear a guy brag about himself and his playing days
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by cubswynn on Sep 25, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anybody else thinking what I'm thinking?
I don’t know how much longer Ron Santo is gonna keep going on the radio, but given his myriad health concerns, he may well retire sometime soon… Sutter would make a fantastic replacement.
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by hip2bsquare on Sep 25, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Er, I mean, Sutcliffe.
Dammit.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
by hip2bsquare on Sep 25, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's to BB getting a managerial job
and Sut replacing him!!!
P.S. I HATE BOB BRENLY
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by cubswynn on Sep 25, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beat me by seconds
with this suggestion ;)
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?!?
have i finally met another BCB’er that dislikes BB?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't dislike BB
but I really like Sut
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by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He seems to love the Cubs enough to do it
Not sure if he wants to work every day, though.
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by JohnM on Sep 25, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't
And don’t forget, he just had a battle with colon cancer too.
by Josh77 on Sep 25, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sutcliffe won't take the job
The Cubs have offered Sutcliffe an analyst job before (most notably before offering it to the abomination that was Joe Carter) and Sutcliffe turned them down. He doesn’t want the job.
Why? He’s a starting pitcher. He only wants to work every fifth day.
I’m serious. Sutcliffe doesn’t want the extensive work and travel involved with being an every day analyst for a team. It was true five years ago and it’s even more true now that he’s been in bad health.
Even when he was working for the Padres a few yeas ago, he only called about 25% of their games, and the Padres don’t broadcast every game.
Believe me, the Cubs would love to get Sutcliffe as the analyst. He won’t do it.
by Josh77 on Sep 25, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sut would make a great
replacement. But he is probably happy at ESPN for the time being.
Although, if BB does get a managing job, maybe Sut could join Len in the WGN booth.
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by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you hear Murray's comment last night?
Sutcliffe used the term “us” in reference to the Cubs then quickly replaced it with “them” to which Bill replied, “Yeah, you gotta be objectionable. You work for ESPN, you’re not even allowed to like sports.”
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 25, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I missed that
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by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved that
And finally a game on ESPN with a pro-Cubs guy. It felt good.
by mlern on Sep 25, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did he really say objectionable?
not objective?
by TC Cubby on Sep 25, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even a little bit.
That’s my fail.
I did look at that after I posted and knew something wasn’t right but couldn’t figure it out.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 25, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ English Lady
However, what I loved most, was that Murray was STILL there and cheering hard during the 10th inning.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Sep 25, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only issue
was that he was wearing a bears hat
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by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now, that's Objectionable.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Sep 25, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sut is a very good analyst
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by californiachicagoan on Sep 25, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Helluva game last night..
no team seemed to want to win it but in the end we still pulled if off. I agree Al it’s great to see these guys still playing hard every night even tho the games don’t mean a ton to us.
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by mkcubs21 on Sep 25, 2008 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Zambrano starting Game 3
especially on the road, where I don’t think he’ll be as distracted as he can get at home. Well, as along as Wolf isn’t behind the dish.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The only Wolf I like these days is the guy from "Pulp Fiction".
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 25, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Zambrano sees to get it:
“Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt that he needs work,” Piniella said. "I wish today were Tuesday, because we could pitch him again Sunday, but we don’t have that option. You know, I wish he would quit fighting himself out there. Just relax and pitch and have some fun.
“He gets angry when he doesn’t do what he expects to do, and it detracts from his ability. I’ve tried to tell him that so many times, and he understands when I tell him. He forgets when he pitches.”
Zambrano said he felt good and he only made one bad pitch—Delgado’s home run.
But when asked about Piniella’s assessment, he replied: “I agree with that. I feel that’s one thing I have to correct in myself. It’s all up here [in my head].”
Now he just needs to take that to the mound.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any reason why Lou couldn't give
Z an inning on Sunday? I can’t think of any, especially if Z is not pitching game 1.
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by N Oakley on Sep 25, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That might be worth doing...
… because if Z is starting game 3, he wouldn’t be pitching until Saturday, October 4 — that’s 10 days from now.
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by Al on Sep 25, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last time he had that many days off..
he pitched a no-no.. Just saying..
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by mkcubs21 on Sep 25, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is he throws a bullpen on Monday
or throws in a makeup game, if necessary. If he starts Game 3, it would be on Saturday the 4th, and he’d be throwing on regular rest if he throws on Monday.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the result
After his last extended lay off.
by gocubsgo22 on Sep 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's give him another anti-inflammatory shot too
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by JohnM on Sep 25, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers would tell you that Z could start Sunday
And tuesday if there was a one game playoff, and Wednesday for game one of the NLDS.
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by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting more and more frustrated with our version of Nuke Laloush. He's
not a kid anymore and he should be able to handle himself emotionally by now. I don’t know what Lou can do to help the guy grow up. This is not the kind of thing you want to deal with heading into the most important post season in the teams history. A million dollar arm and a 5 cent head. That about covers it.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 25, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Therapy
that’s about the only thing that could help a 27 year old man with issues like his. How much could Lou or anyone else on the team possibly do? I believe Lou when he says he’s talked to him many times, but he’s also not his mom or dad. The team can only do so much.
I remember hearing Z was very religious, and that he would listen to Christian music before starts. Apparently that hasn’t done much to change him either.
Some people are who they are and will never change.
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by tony412 on Sep 25, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
you may be right. At 27 and what 6 full years with the Cubs, this type behavior should of been long gone.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 25, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People can change, no matter the age
I refuse to believe big Z can’t make changes. I’m not sure if the changes can be made in the next 6 days however.
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by graceunderpressure on Sep 25, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
his antics on the mound are getting old. Has wonderful talent, and is one of the top 10 pitchers in the NL, but he needs to growup. Hope he just focuses on what is ahead because the Cubs need a mature “Z” in the playoffs.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Sep 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Lou...........
………..told him to get back on the mound last Friday, I think that sent a message to Zambrano. Problem is, it seems these messages have to be delivered on a daily basis else this numbskull just doesn’t get it.
I think having him throw game 3 will be a message as well. He’s gotta pull his head out and stop acting like a child.
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by tville on Sep 25, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can act however he wants
as long as he produces…..when he doesn’t produce and throws a fit, that’s where we get frustrated with him
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 25, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, no, he can't.
Or maybe I should say, shouldn’t.
Results certainly matter, but whether he likes it or not, he is setting an example to many others watching the event.
While Charles Barkley didn’t want to be a role model, the inescapable truth is these guys are seen by kids as “important”. He’s being paid a lot of $$$ to perform for the Cubs, and it’s not too much to ask that he do it with a sense of dignity.
And while Barkley deferred to parents, it begs the question of Zambrano. What the hell can his kids be thinking when they see dad acting like an ass in public?
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by tville on Sep 25, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the best example he can set
is win freakin ballgames! so if he jumps around the mound and produces wins, who cares?!?
these are grown men…..they are smart enough to realize that’s not how one should act, don’t give me that argument
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 25, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His histrionics affect his pitching
Observers more knowledgeable than us have been saying this for a long time. Last night, Zambrano himself admitted it.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think it's the other way around.
His pitching affects his attitude.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which then affects his pitching
Zambrano did admit that. He’s got to learn to move on when something goes right and limit the damage.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way.............
………….he’s a grown man. Act the part.
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by tville on Sep 25, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hadnt thought of it that way... good point wmhg
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 25, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sending the Wolf? Sheet negro, that's all you had to say!
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 25, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Winston Wolfe. I solve problems.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Sep 25, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now pretty please - with sugar on top - clean the f***ing car.
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by lostinthevines on Sep 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about you, Lash LaRue? You think you can keep your spurs from jinglin' and janglin'?
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 25, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets not start sucking each other's d***s just yet.
by Craig in South Bend on Sep 25, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That gives us exactly... forty minutes to get the f**k out of Dodge.
Which, if you do what I say when I say it, should be plenty. Now, you’ve got a corpse in a car, minus a head, in a garage. Take me to it.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 25, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hungry. Let's get a taco.
Oh, wait…wrong movie.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're sending the Wolf?
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 25, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because you are a character doesn't mean that you have character.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 25, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Z" was missing
but some of the calls were really close. That being said when Ramy walked, forget what inning, he looked back at Wolf thinking " well is it a strike?", ball four, and I thought the ball was right on the corner.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 25, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At one point last night there were 18 3-2 counts
and like 14 walks between the teams. I think that was about the 7th inning. When I see that, I see a bad strikezone.
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by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was during the 4-run 5th
he was at 0-2 and came back to work a walk.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Zambrano had good command last night. Many pitches were close.
But he started fighting the umpire. You could read his lips during close-ups. he was complaining and cursing the umpire in Spanish. That took Zambrano’s energy and concentration away and the result when that happens is always the same: a short game and Zambrano has to be taken out of the game. The guy is a head-case.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 25, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many of the calls looked like they could have gone either way.
That being said, Z needs to adjust to the ump’s zone and not have a meltdown.
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by Blue W on Sep 25, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Z completely lost his focus
when Reyes started doing a Salsa dance half way down the 3B line. Z had just lost a close call on a 2-2 pitch to Delgado, causing Z to storm around the mound before taking the ball back from Blanco (he did the same after a call in his last start). W/ Rami not holding Reyes on, it allowed him to take lead a good 1/4 way down the line. Z actually walked towards him initially before realizing there’s nothing he could do about it. But even on the next stretch, Z couldn’t keep his eyes off him and just laid a meatball on the next pitch.
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by Jayo525 on Sep 25, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he didn't pull a Tavarez at that moment
The Braves and Phillies emptied the benches last night because Tavarez tired of Victorino’s dance off 3rd and walked over to confront him.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would have been an awesome fight to see
Cooler head won out tho.
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by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really!!
That’s hilarious
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by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Victorino did his dance
then Tavarez stepped off and walked towards third. The minute he went back to the mound, Victorino gave him the ‘stinkeye’ and walked down the line again.
So Julian stepped up, threw his arms up and basically acted like Julian Tavarez.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine if it was Sheffield prancing around on 3rd
Maybe Tavarez could’ve done his best Carmona impression and put him in a headlock. Although, I wouldn’t mind a Sheffield/Tavarez fight to the death.
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by Jayo525 on Sep 25, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome, to another edition of Thunderdome!
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by Blue W on Sep 25, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One day cock of the walk, next day, a
feather duster.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 25, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Charlie Manuel wanted to see a fight:
“If I had my way, you know what I’d do? Form a big circle and see who wants to fight, I’ve seen that before and nobody fights.”
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I firmly believe th at umps play tit for tat and frequently
ESPN’s “K” zone seemed to repeatedly show that the ump was right last night—but i saw pitches being called strikes aganst our hitters that Z was not getting…that ump was part of the problem.
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by cubfever7 on Sep 25, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Howry
Yeah, okay, so Bob Howry didn’t do a bad job last night. I seriously hope that doesn’t mean Lou will put him in any kind of important situation in the postseason because I will guarantee anyone that when it matters, Bobby Howry will completely F’n blow it. I have no doubt about it, so I hope Lou agrees and does not play him.
by adam316 on Sep 25, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll definitely be on the PO roster.
which means he’ll probably be used….
by CubFaninNY on Sep 25, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope
that it only happens when we are up by 5 runs or more, otherwise I don’t feel the game is safe with Homerun Howry on the mound. Just because he has one or two good appearances lately does not give me any confidence in him. He will give up bombs in important situations, because that is pretty much what he has done all year.
by adam316 on Sep 25, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope Lou sees it that way
I’m not sure he has much a choice now. Whom does he trust in a close game if not in the 8th or if the game goes to extras: Wuertz? Hart?
by CubFaninNY on Sep 25, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
he’s not always Mr. reliable either.
by CubFaninNY on Sep 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis.
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by Al on Sep 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id take Marshall or Marquis
Anyday in a close situation. Especially if my other option was Bob Howry. I like the guy, but he cannot be used when the game is close.
by adam316 on Sep 25, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by lostinthevines on Sep 25, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ehhhh
I guess Marquis would be a choice. Knowing how he gets scared of the strikezone in pressure situation, he wouldn’t be my ideal choice.
To be honest I would prefer we clone Marmol and Wood and just use them.
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by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope we play the Mets!
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by lostinthevines on Sep 25, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best way to make that happen
Sweep the Brewers
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again? Well, OK - if you insist
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by lostinthevines on Sep 25, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They love us this week . . .
Let’s make them hate the Cubs again this weekend
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm okay with that.
Anyone else?
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by Blue W on Sep 25, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't happen
to a more deserving team.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Questions and Answers on the field and not in sentimental fantasy minds
Z has some shoulder problems, are they enough to DL, no but possibly some time off and then some controlled work on the side will help him—-that is all there is because there are no more starts left.
Howry pitched out of trouble, he is on the roster because he knows how to pitch and how to conduct himself in a playoff series.
DeRosa has a calf strain—-he will get days off till the weekend for tune up——too bad he is knocking on the 90 RBI door, that is a real plateau.
Koyie Hill was tipping pitches……Samardzija was not aided. The ump shrinks when he is exposed to cold moments——friggin bad umps.
Cotts looks like he is playing in October.
Fukudome needs a few more good games, and Ramirez is a MAN HITTER
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by Ivy Walls on Sep 25, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, obviously, Z HAS HAD some shoulder problems...
…but his velocity seemed fine last night and his control wasn’t bad until that third inning. Is it possible his shoulder is still bothering him? Yes. But it’s not a certainty. The problem seems more mental at this point.
I’m not sure what you mean by, “The ump shrinks when he is exposed to cold moments.” Hey, that happens to all guys after we go swimming. Give him a break!
And I hope Ramirez is not a “MAN HITTER” – the last thing he needs right now is a felony. Between that and the cockfighting, he could be tied up in court until well after the playoffs.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another reason Howry was in: Wells wasn't available
according to the Tribune:
Right-hander Randy Wells was a long shot to make the postseason roster, but now he’s out with soreness in his forearm. Wells flew to Chicago on Wednesday to have an MRI on his right arm.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with the fact that
Howry was in last night. I just do not want him to have the opportunity to lose a playoff game for us, and I seriously fear he will do just that if given a chance. I am so worried about it because Lou seems to get more an more confidence in Bob every time he does well, and it seems Lou completely forgets how awful he has been most of the time.
by adam316 on Sep 25, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT, but a funny story
Dusty denies that Corey Patterson is dating his daughter after Astro players keep asking him about it. It would explain why Patterson is still on the team.
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by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
it looks like Corey will be out of MLB next year I can’t imagine him finding a home. Minor league deal is all he will recieve if that.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 25, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Patterson playing in Japan?
It could happen!
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by hip2bsquare on Sep 25, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could he hit .225 there?
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by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overreaction
seems like Dusty’s affection for Corey has soured:
This is so far out of line. It’s hurtful to my wife and daughter. How can people stoop that low? I don’t know who started it. But I’ve been hearing from fans, players, announcers.
The rumor was just that she was dating him, nothing worse than that. Though I guess Baker might be touchy if people insinuate that his daughter is the reason that Patterson was hired.
by TC Cubby on Sep 25, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I for one believe
Dusty is forcing his daughter to date him. Dusty loves him some CPat.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 25, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Dusty wants a grandkid from CPat so that they can be eternally bonded by family ties :-)
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by zevkalman on Sep 25, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A child for the ages!
He’ll consistently hit in the high .190s and will never, NEVER clog the bases.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 25, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note to Z: SNAP OUT OF IT!!
Jeeze even Bob Freaking Howry is pitching better than you these days. Get it together, man!
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by Emelie on Sep 25, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, don't forget
Z pitched a no-hitter 3 starts ago. Could it be that a CG no-hitter took a toll on him? How else do you explain pitching a superb game and then slumping the next two starts?
by adam316 on Sep 25, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z pitched a
no hitter?! I had no idea!
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by Emelie on Sep 25, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuses Excuses
Z gets paid big money to pitch well. Sure he threw a no-no 3 starts ago, but making the excuse he’s tired is absurd. The fact is we need Z to pitch well and the last two starts have been as far from that as possible. I’m not a ledge jumper but big Z needs to get his act together, and now!
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by Lou In Blue on Sep 25, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Im not ready
to stand up and say that Z should be back to normal after that. I can’t say what is causing his woes lately. Excuses? Maybe. But who are we to say that he doesn’t have some sort of nagging pain or soreness from the no-no? We have obviously seen what he is capable of.
by adam316 on Sep 25, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's got a nagging pain
then he shouldn’t be playing a game that is meaningless to the Cubs (minus the goal for 100 wins). I would assume it’s just a mental thing with Z. Hopefully he can right the ship for game 3. It’ll be sink or swim!
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by Lou In Blue on Sep 25, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. The nagging pain--
Is in our collective asses because Z is the boy who refused to grow up.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'd be lying if I said...
…I’m still not a little worried about the after-effects of his 110+ pitch no-no. (What was it…115 pitches?) But he had the family issues to deal with in his last game – he was completely unprepared for that start. And last night’s game…well…I don’t know. His velocity really wasn’t down, but his pitches were landing all over the place. That could be because of his shoulder or it could be just a mental thing.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At times, it looked like he was over-throwing
out of frustration, I assume.
Also, I know it’s a small sample size, but his numbers when Blanco catches this year have been noticeably worse. Batters are hitting .266/.355/.452 against him when Henry catches, versus .236/.308/.353 when Geovanny is behind the plate.
Just something I noticed before last night.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, interesting.
Maybe he just needs his good bud Geo back there to settle him down.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is probably it.
Geo knows how to get Z to settle down.
by adam316 on Sep 25, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The two of them seem to have really good chemistry.
One more example of just how valuable Geo is to this team.
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by Blue W on Sep 25, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nothing gratuitious about our Geo
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by Emelie on Sep 25, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the only reason he's struggled, obviously.
But maybe Geo’s tricks – like mouthing words to Zambrano without speaking and confusing him on the mound – work.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coincidentally, he was only 1 or 2 pitches away
from giving up NO runs late. IIRC, Only one hard hit ball all night off him all night.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on Sep 25, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, he gave up only three hits last night.
Those walks just killed him.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
White Sox/Twins
Do the Sox have an extra game to play against the Tigers at the end of the year if it ends up mattering? Why isn’t it on their MLB.com schedule like the Astros game is on ours?
Looking more and more like that one game is going to matter.
by kurtness5 on Sep 25, 2008 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe so, sox fan
in the office said so yesterday.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 25, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're right.
Those two games are only going to be played in identical circumstances. The Sox game should be on their schedule.
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by Al on Sep 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. It's rain-out make-up from that week where it rained every day.
Let’s hope they choke it off again tonight and run into the Cleveland buzzsaw – they have to see Cliff Lee on Sunday.
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by lostinthevines on Sep 25, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why hope for that?
I don’t care too much one way or the other, though I think it would be kind of cool for both teams to make it to the post-season for the first time in God-knows-how-long.
by SuperContext on Sep 25, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for the shark
I am not sure that i agree with walking whoever it was with 2 outs. I know the lefty, right thing and I guess you are taking away a possible drag but in that situation, but from a pitching stand point, at least i always had the issue when i pitch in college, it is sometimes hard to throw four pitches that far off the plate half speed then come right back and start throwing strikes, your timing gets offs that quick. Anyway, thats something the he will learn how to make those adjustments.
Another thought I had during the game, Sutcliffe point out that Dome just cant stop on opening way up no matter what he has tried. I wonder if they had thought of having him start with an open stance much like D Lee that would force him to step into the ball?
Let go cubs
by cubsfaninkc on Sep 25, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But he cannot
walk Ramon Martinez in that spot. Has to throw strikes there.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 25, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didnt know ramon was still in baseball
whates even more shocking is that he isnt starting for the reds
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by fischisgod on Sep 25, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
next year he will be their starting SS
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by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am shocked he isnt right now
i mean dusty brought in all of his favortie cubs that got him fired…. Where is Neifi and Ramon???
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by fischisgod on Sep 25, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way...........
……..he bumps Jerry Hariston Jr. from that role.
Plus Neif! will be the back up, so Ramon will have to move to 2B……….
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by tville on Sep 25, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL--how true.
I hated to see Ramon walk—but he had that look in his eye that it was Cub payback time.
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by cubfever7 on Sep 25, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I know for sure...
This is just theoretical, but do you think that maybe Lou made him intentionally walk whoever that was in order to see if he could handle the pressure of the situation? Samardzija is one of those bubble bullpen guys, and it may have been a test. When you have “nothing to play for” (I put that in quotes because obviously we need these guys to stay sharp), you can do things like this.
by rambler19 on Sep 25, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I think Lou is trying to win games and did what he thought was the best way to do so.
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 25, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly
but I think you intentionally walk the batter in that situation in most instances so that there is a force at every base. I don’t think it was necessarily just to test Spellcheck
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by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he was going to test him he would have BROUGHT him into a situation like that...
There is no way Lou says, “pitch yourself into a jam kid. I want to see how you handle it.”
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
It’s not like he pitched himself into the jam on purpose. He was in a jam whether or not it was 2nd and 3rds with 2 outs, or bases loaded with 2 outs. Obviously, you set up the force out at every base when walking the bases loaded. Plus, Ramon Martinez has played in exactly three major league games this year, so between him and Endy Chavez, he is probably the guy you want to go after. Chavez doesn’t strike out much either.
Anyway, I was just throwing it out there to see what people thought. I understand they are trying win ball games by doing the right thing in each situation, but who knows, right?
by rambler19 on Sep 25, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess, but I hope that thought didn't cross Lou's mind.
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 25, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KEEP HOWRY ON BACK BURNER
I saw Bob Howry enough during the regular season …I don’t want to see him during the playoffs . Spells disaster for the Cubs .
by cubs north on Sep 25, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Extremely happy with the way we are playing right now....
Takes a lot of resiliency (sp?) to come back after being down 5-1… I love that we never give up… I really hope that Harden wins tonight and then we sweep Milwaukee and get to play the mets in the first round. They dont scare me in the least. .
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on Sep 25, 2008 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
in a game that “doesn’t really matter” for us…..it would have been easy to roll over and give it up
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Sep 25, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly OT:
The Brewers were apparently a little upset when Lou started McGehee and rested Ramirez the other day.
To which I would just like to respond, try focusing on winning your games and not collapsing, then you wouldn’t have to worry about who the Cubs are putting on the field. Maybe this is why you may not be in the playoffs like you should be.
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by gwood on Sep 25, 2008 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kiss my ass Brewers
Win a damn game. They won’t be complaining when they face McGehee over the weekend
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by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, this REALLY makes me want the Cubs to sweep this weekend
and kinda gives me mixed emotions about the last game with the Mets.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... this pisses me off.
When you have to worry about a team to win or lose to get in you probably don’t deserve to be there. I swear this Brewer team is more consumed with other things than just WINNING. The Cubs have the luxury and every right to do what they are doing. They are competitive, resting guys and still winning.
F’ em…
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by Fishbone2 on Sep 25, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the absence of maturity on both the brewers and astros is glaringly obvious.
its probably not a coincidence that they are 2 contenders that likely won’t make the postseason (altho the crew still has a chance to)
by philadelphiacub on Sep 25, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus they are playing the Pirates.........
shouldnt they take care of their own business with a team as bad as Pirates. How can one complain about about a few substitions when the Mets are playing the Cubs who are the best team in the NL.
Mets have 4 w/ Cubs and 3 w/ Marlins, Brew Crew has Pirates then Cubs. Easier schedule for Brewers than the Mets correct?
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 25, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope they sweep
so we don’t have to see any untucked shirts, especially Fielder’s. Gross!
by mlern on Sep 25, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lame.
Maybe LaTroy can print up some “McGehee Screwed Us” shirts for them.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 25, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the big stink from the BREWERS and their fans
last year when Cooper started 3 rookies against the Brewers and the Cubs made offhand comments?
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, at this stage even the Brewers can't screw up winning the wildcard...
Cubs are going to toss Lilly and Dempster no more than 5 innings max. Marquis is the only starter who might go longer because he will operate in the pen in the post-season. Plus the core starting lineup will play quite sparingly all weekend. If Milwaukee can’t get the job done under the circumstances of the last week and with us beating the Mets at least two games?
by MDBNIU on Sep 25, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if that's true (and it's hard to tell from the wording of that article)...
…the Brewers should get together with the ’Stros and form a support group.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, an Astro fan I know told me that some Houston talk radio shows are
getting calls that the Cubs are intent on throwing their games against the Brewers so they won’t have to play the ‘Stros in Minute Maid Park after the official season ends. They’re trash-talking that the Cubs are afraid of the ‘Stros, and are afraid of playing them in their own stadium (as opposed to Wrigley North), so they’re gonna play “nice” with the Brewers.
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by zevkalman on Sep 25, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We ain't afraid of no 'stros!
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're ready to relieve you!
(of your playoff responsibilities)
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by spoiledcubbage on Sep 25, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is so cute
Lets send the Peoria Chiefs to play them if that game is necessary.
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by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even
Let’s throw Boise at them.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Sep 25, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boise
has good players, could take two of 3
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by Grockcubs on Sep 25, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boise could probably beat Peoria
so yeah, they could take 2 of 3 from the Milwaukee.
by Josh77 on Sep 25, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Well, hey, whatever 'Stros fans need to do...
…to make themselves feel better, have at it. The truth is that life is not fair and good teams find ways to overcome even the toughest challenges. The truth is also that, if the Astros had played better ball earlier in the season, they wouldn’t be scratching and clawing for an outside shot at the Wild Card to begin with.
Fact is, the Cubs are the best team in the National League this season. And ’Stros and their fans are going to have to live with that one way or another.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i had a phillies fan friend call me last nite (after the phils got samcked 10-4) and say:
“whats going on? I thought the cubs were supposed to beat the mets?”, to which I replied: this is called clinching homefield throughout and resting your starters. If you’d just beat the braves you wouldnt have to worry about the cubs 2nd string beating the mets for you
by philadelphiacub on Sep 25, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, as things turned out, the Cubs beat the Mets after all.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 25, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably should have focused some of that energy...
into not getting swept by the Mets at home to start September. The Cubs are 4-1 against the Mets this year. The Brewers are 2-4. Whose fault is that?
by hokie316 on Sep 25, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bud Selig's?
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hurrican Ike's?
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Sep 25, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blame it on the rain.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 25, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Milli Vanilli's fault?
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 25, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess hack lip synchers.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 25, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lip sticked pit bulls
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