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Overflow Thread 2: Cubs vs. Mets, Thursday 9/25, 6:10 CT

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Blocking the door

So Sue can be first

by MOCubsfan on Sep 25, 2008 8:01 PM CDT   0 recs

he's making a push for a roster spot

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If he keeps

this up it will be hard to keep him off.

by sue369 on Sep 25, 2008 8:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

TWSS

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 25, 2008 8:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

good one

That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou

by Emelie on Sep 25, 2008 8:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn't even think that

when I wrote that….got me. :-)

by sue369 on Sep 25, 2008 8:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

there's no DH in the National League!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the man knows how to audition

That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou

by Emelie on Sep 25, 2008 8:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

double Fontenot

Sarcasm, just one of my many talents

by VegasCubFan on Sep 25, 2008 8:04 PM CDT   0 recs

raining here again

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Sep 25, 2008 8:04 PM CDT   0 recs

And a few blocks away from you, too

Looked like some folks were scampering to get out of it

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 25, 2008 8:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah - drewishdruid

better to just go with DWARD in the Playoffs – as you and others say.

He IS a veteran of course, right? lol

As I have been campaining – I want the HOFF!

by The E-Man on Sep 25, 2008 8:04 PM CDT   0 recs

one game doth not a hitter make

Hoffpauir needs to maintain this approach the next 3 games.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

His stats are better

than Ward’s for the entire season. Look it up.

by The E-Man on Sep 25, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We discussed this earlier. Hoff's ML stats. are not better than Ward's.

In fact, you can’t even compare them. One is a position player, the other is a pinch hitter.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Sep 25, 2008 8:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK - the tiebreaker

Who’s scrappier?

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 25, 2008 8:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ward is as unscrappy

as possible. Which is good.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Extrapolating a 28-year olds AAA stats to the Major League level

is a slippery slope…

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I still don't.

it’s one game. He’s a hack with the glove. Where you gonna play him? You gonna sit Lee?

hell no.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We have one.

His name is Daryle Ward, and he beats GOOD teams.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hoff has no position on defense.

Hoff is not the proven, veteran hitter that Ward is. If you really want a career minor-leaguer who finally learned to hit AAA pitching just this year, then I seriously have to begin to doubt your baseball acumen.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Sep 25, 2008 8:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Please don't get snarky

There’s no reason to “doubt one another’s baseball acumen”. None of us here are baseball professionals. We are merely opinionated fans. And it is my opinion that the hot bats need to play. Ward is not significantly better on defense than Hoffpauir.

Once again:

BA .377 HR 2 RBI 8 OBP .433 SLG .607

by cubsonWGN4ever on Sep 25, 2008 8:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not getting snarky.

When you make assertions like Hoff should be on the post season roster instead of Ward, it’s important to understand that every roster spot from one to 25 has to be on there for a reason despite they got hot in the last 4-5 games. Hoff has no position, Ward is better on D., he has a defined position(s). Hoff struggles to play both the OF corners, and struggles to play first base. Having Hoff on the roster would be akin to having a player that you hope can get a pinch hit- when he has limited to no experience as a pinch hitter.

I apologize if I offended you.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Sep 25, 2008 8:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ward is not a better first baseman than Hoffpauir

outfield is probably a toss up

"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill

by cubfever7 on Sep 25, 2008 8:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, come ON!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you think Ward is a good outfielder?

"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill

by cubfever7 on Sep 25, 2008 8:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he's a better outfielder than Hoff!

by FAR!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that makes no sense

so Tony Clark is better than Lee?

"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill

by cubfever7 on Sep 25, 2008 8:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you're comparing an experienced, veteran major leaguer

to a guy who has spent the six years of his baseball employment as a career minor leaguer.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It makes perfect sense. Please, be logical.

We’re talking about Hoff and Ward. Tony Clark and Lee have nothing to do with it.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Sep 25, 2008 8:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Brother I've seen Hoff play first lots of times in person

He’s solid and in my opinion better than Ward—not sure about outfield.

"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill

by cubfever7 on Sep 25, 2008 8:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think if Hoffpauir was better than Ward

he would have been up the entire year, and Ward wouldn’t be there.

At this point, despite Ward’s struggles, he’s around, and there is a reason for that.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't get me wrong--i pick Ward for post season

but Hoffpauir gets nowhere near the respect he deserves here.

"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill

by cubfever7 on Sep 25, 2008 8:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he's respected

people just feel that Ward brings more to the table. I can understand that, and frankly, I think Ward may be more worthwhile on the postseason roster for his experience.

That said, if Hoffpauir looks good these next 3 games and Daryle does not, I can understand going with the hot hand in the NLCS.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I must admit bias toward Hoff--mea culpa

have talked to him a bunch and he’s always treated my family very well too.

"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill

by cubfever7 on Sep 25, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sure he's a nice guy.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

do you recall the anecdote i told in the spring

where he dove into the stands twice in tha same game right on top of seats and “saved my wife’s life” in her words?

"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill

by cubfever7 on Sep 25, 2008 8:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe I recall it.

:D

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Drew--the guy has flat out raked 2 springs in a row

he was minor leaguer of the year i believe for the Cubs and he’s he’s averaged over .300 all year in the MLB…he may not be experienced—but he can hit. Similar to Soto in 2007…except older.

"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill

by cubfever7 on Sep 25, 2008 8:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

except when he comes up to the majors

he doesn’t. So far, today is an abberation in the daily life of Micah Hoffpauir.

He can’t field. He can’t run. He’s got a big hole in his swing, and the fact that he’s beating the crap out of the Mets bullpen, well, I’m happy for him, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to support setting aside Daryle freakin’ Ward to put a journeyman minor-leaguer on the post-season roster!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Sep 25, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey I'm a nice guy

It is too late to put me on the 40 man roster?

by LT on Sep 25, 2008 8:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought I was going

for the nice-guy roster spot.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah - you're up next inning, in fact

Better get warmed up

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 25, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if I'm not mistake he was hitting well over

.300 in over 55 ab’s before tonight’s 5 for 5. I daresay he can out run Ward—but don’t really know—having said that—i repeat Ward goes on my roster—but Hoff derserves respect

"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill

by cubfever7 on Sep 25, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No worries

But I guess we’ll see what Lou decides. No matter what happens, we’re rooting for the same team and whomever does make it, I will be rooting for their success!

by cubsonWGN4ever on Sep 25, 2008 8:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm thinkin'

i realllly want to play the mets next week in wrigley

by tim815 on Sep 25, 2008 8:04 PM CDT   0 recs

I'll second that!

2008 NL Central Champs!

by TyCubsfan on Sep 25, 2008 8:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Now the Umps can call the game due to rain

Sarcasm, just one of my many talents

by VegasCubFan on Sep 25, 2008 8:05 PM CDT   0 recs

that'd be tough to do

Mets would bitch non-stop about a rain-shortened loss.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I still want DWard for the playoffs

Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #5 4-0 (0-0). Next up at Nebraska October 4th. Live on ESPN in primetime. Chase Daniel and Jeremy Maclin for Co-Heisman!

by nji232 on Sep 25, 2008 8:05 PM CDT   0 recs

Nope - not me

Fat – down year – a PH who has not gotten nit done this year.

by The E-Man on Sep 25, 2008 8:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

FAT????

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Sep 25, 2008 8:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gotta agree with E-man

I’m firmly in the Hoff camp – and this is coming from a guy who appreciates Ward as much as anyone

by cubsonWGN4ever on Sep 25, 2008 8:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Love it

Mets announcers said Hoff may have just “Victor Diazed the Mets.”

"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI

by sweetswinger on Sep 25, 2008 8:06 PM CDT   0 recs

2004

LaTroy Hawkins. Bad memories.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 25, 2008 8:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

in 2004 he did

at Shea. think LaTroy Hawkins, ninth inning 3 run shot.

by CubFaninNY on Sep 25, 2008 8:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rincone

Gets to play LaTroy in the 2008 sequel to the original

"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI

by sweetswinger on Sep 25, 2008 8:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

FLIGHT UPDATE: we have been in line so long we have to go back to the gate and

get more fuel for the flight to LA…can you believe these Keystone Cops at American Air?

GO CUBS!!

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Sep 25, 2008 8:08 PM CDT   0 recs

Oh Carl, I feel your pain

That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou

by Emelie on Sep 25, 2008 8:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

gotta smile.

can’t fight what you can’t control

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Sep 25, 2008 8:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Very True. Gotta get Zen with travel

That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou

by Emelie on Sep 25, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

liquor too.

still waiting. :-(

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Sep 25, 2008 8:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

bummer

good luck with your flight home

by sue369 on Sep 25, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good to see Hoff is hitting

when I left for work he was screwing up fielding at first. Must’ve lit a fire under him

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 25, 2008 8:08 PM CDT   0 recs

I think he only made one bad play?

the “bill buckner” special roller through the legs that allowed a run to eventually score?

And maybe not being able to reach for the theriot throw – but I don’t think Lee wouldve gotten that either.

Any others?

by cubsonWGN4ever on Sep 25, 2008 8:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs