The Harden They Come, The Harden They Fall Thread: Cubs vs. Mets, Thursday 9/25, 6:10 CT
Chicago Cubs @ New York Mets
Without trying to make any political comment, I note that the Rev. James Meeks is intending to "ring Wrigley Field" with up to 6,000 orange-clad protesters, who are trying to make a point about school funding. Mayor Daley is asking Meeks not to do it and in this case I have to agree with him -- to have 6,000 extra people in the neighborhood that day (or night), with all the traffic and security issues that a sellout crowd produces, is asking for trouble.
Rev. Meeks has a legitimate issue that needs to be addressed, one way or the other. Protesting at a Cubs playoff game isn't the way to do it.
Here's the current weather forecast for New York City:This Afternoon: Cloudy, with a high near 67. East wind around 18 mph.
Tonight: Rain, with thunderstorms also possible after 2am. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. Low around 60. Breezy, with a east wind between 21 and 24 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a half and three quarters of an inch possible.
Given the fact that this rain may go through the weekend and threaten one or more of the Mets/Marlins games, they'll do everything they can to get this one in. I assume Lou will pull the regulars off the field if it's raining too hard and play the callups.
Today, not one but THREE Gratuitous Geo Photos (and he may actually play by tomorrow):
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Note, the stats above are Harden's with the Cubs only; see the pitcher box for his full season stats.
Here's what the weird schedule, plus injuries, do: Pedro Martinez has been with the Mets for four years, but he has not faced the Cubs at all in that time. He last faced the Cubs on June 8, 1997. That's completely irrelevant to today's game, as Pedro is one of only three players in that game who are still active (the others: Mark Grudzielanek and Jose Vidro). Just thought you'd be interested in a little bit of Cubs history. Pedro faced Alfonso Soriano quite a bit when he was with the Red Sox and Soriano was a Yankee. If there's a day to give Soriano the day off, today is it: he's 7-for-43 vs. Pedro with no walks and 15 strikeouts.
Rich Harden, in his final regular season start this year, has never faced the Mets. The only current Met to have more than six career AB vs. Rich is Carlos Delgado, who is 1-for-7, that hit being a HR. Harden has thrown 142 innings combined this season, so he wouldn't have qualified for any ERA titles even if he had been in one league the whole year, but coming in with a 2.03 ERA combined, he has a chance to have a sub-2.00 ERA in more than 140 innings, quite impressive.
Today's game is on CSN Plus -- that's a change from the original schedule, the White Sox game was moved to CSN's main channel. For more see the MLB.com Mediacenter.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
As always, a reminder that you can find the overflow comment threads, including the first pitch thread, on the right sidebar of both the front page and any interior page in the box headed "RECENT STORIES IN GAME THREADS". Today's first pitch thread posts at 6 pm CT, and the overflow comment threads will post at 7 pm, 8 pm and 8:45 pm CT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 25, 2008 3:30 PM CDT 0 recs
You were right
about the stars. Each one is a setting sun.
by 26.2cubsfan on
Sep 25, 2008 6:49 PM CDT
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You're a jar
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on
Sep 26, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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first is the worst, 2nd is the best, 3rd is the one with the treasure chest
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 25, 2008 3:32 PM CDT 0 recs
FIRST...to post a picture of a wizard holding a banjo.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 25, 2008 3:32 PM CDT 0 recs
or a wizard dressed like a cat....see what i did there?

"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Sep 25, 2008 3:34 PM CDT
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there is no banjo in that picture....very dissappointing.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Sep 25, 2008 3:35 PM CDT
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How did you get a picture of my dad..
Wait and my that’s my cat also.
by ThisOldCub18 on
Sep 25, 2008 4:26 PM CDT
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Wow, if this doesn't deserve a HP reference, I dunno what does, SWL...
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Sep 25, 2008 3:37 PM CDT
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Ok...but it had better include a banjo reference too...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Sep 25, 2008 3:39 PM CDT
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You haven't heard about the 8th Potter book?
Harry Potter’s Hootenanny and the Bellowing Banjo?
by SuperContext on
Sep 25, 2008 3:41 PM CDT
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POTTERGASM!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Sep 25, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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I didn't say it because I knew you wanted to, drew
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Sep 25, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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we reach
water brother.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Sep 25, 2008 4:03 PM CDT
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SABREMAWOOZIWHAZIT!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Sep 25, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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I'd say the Geo trifecta ought to insure the win
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 25, 2008 3:33 PM CDT 0 recs
Yep. Done deal.
No need to even watch. (But I may anyhow.)
"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard
by TXCub on
Sep 25, 2008 3:34 PM CDT
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These games are treats
No real repercussions (for the Cubs at least), so I don’t have to get too worked up about the winning and losing. I wanted to scream at Z last night, but that’s about it.
by SuperContext on
Sep 25, 2008 3:37 PM CDT
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i dont and yet I do
I was really irritated with Z last night
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on
Sep 25, 2008 3:55 PM CDT
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I was listening to radio coverage
When Z had his melt-down. I think I would have been more upset if I had actually been able to see him stomping around out there than I was just hearing Pat and (Corey?) talk about it.
by SuperContext on
Sep 25, 2008 4:15 PM CDT
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I'd imagine...
…Lou would want to give a couple of AB’s to most of the starters against Pedro, especially considering they may see him again in a bigger game next week.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 25, 2008 3:38 PM CDT 0 recs
What we gonna do tonight?
Start off strong with Rich, get him a few innings of work before the rain comes, then get the bullpen a few more innings of work, including (maybe?) getting Shark back out there to straight out? Mets sure as hell need this one more than we do. At least they can take condolences in the fact that although we beat up on them, we are just as likely to beat up on the Brewers…
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Sep 25, 2008 3:39 PM CDT 0 recs
Depends on the weather
if it’s raining, and the conditions are deteriorating, get the regulars off the field – no need to risk pulling something.
I look for about 5-6 innings from Harden, then Hart, Guzman, maybe White Castle.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 25, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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I kinda miss Lieber for games like what I'm envisioning tonight's is going to look like.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Sep 25, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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And Randy Wells is missing tonight, too.
Someone might have to bite the bullet for 2-3 innings tonight if it gets ugly.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 25, 2008 5:46 PM CDT
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I have a scheduling problem
New episodes of Earl, The Office and Sunny in Philadelphia, plus my wife’s soaps. It’s always a pleasure to see Dick Harden throw. Pedro may want to tackle Lou.
I guess that’s what a DVR is for, huh? I’ll record the shows, send my wife to the other room and watch the Cubs.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Sep 25, 2008 3:39 PM CDT 0 recs
Pedro has really declined fast.
Remember when he was great… that really wasn’t that long ago.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 25, 2008 3:40 PM CDT 0 recs
Yes he has...
…a little less bite on your breaking ball and a few less feet on your fastball, can make a huge difference.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 25, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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few less feet on your fastball?
He actually doesnt throw it as far anymore?
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on
Sep 25, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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Sort of...
…it doesn’t go as far, as quickly as it used to.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 25, 2008 3:53 PM CDT
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Paul Sullivan cracks me up
The Cubs are traditionally known as Major League Baseball’s most prominent hurricane magnets, but they’re also magnets for tropical storms and Nor’easters, as evidenced by the latest forecast for their final regular season game tonight at Shea Stadium.
Heh. Stupid weather.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 25, 2008 3:43 PM CDT 0 recs
Paul is a funny man
Quote from earlier this year…….“the Cardinals starting rotation is the least imposing foursome since the Knack”.
by gocubsgo22 on
Sep 25, 2008 4:18 PM CDT
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Pedro Martinez has been with the Mets for 4 years?
Already? That seems highly, highly inaccurate. What a weird tenure he’s had with the Metropolitans.
by NittanyCub on Sep 25, 2008 3:44 PM CDT 0 recs
He jumped ship
after winning the WS with the BoSox in ’04.
Old Style is the nectar of life.
by Mordecai on
Sep 25, 2008 3:47 PM CDT
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Oh, I remember
it’s just weird to think that he’s been there for 4 years already. I was still in high school.
by NittanyCub on
Sep 25, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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Yeah, me too.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on
Sep 25, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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haha
Joe Posnanski encounters a jumper:

This would be slightly less amusing if it hadn’t been the Cubs that brought him to that point.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 25, 2008 3:48 PM CDT 0 recs
Wow this picture is AWESOME
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Sep 25, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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even if i didn't already loathe the Mets
the IDEA of a mascot for a baseball team is enough to push me over the edge.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 25, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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the only mascot in all of sports i don't hate is the Phanatic
everyone else is teh s uck.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 25, 2008 5:06 PM CDT
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I got ya
But, I find it hard to hate a guy/gal stuffed in a muppet costume that probably smells worse than the soil room in a nursing home. Pretty nasty job, glad we don’t have one. And anyone who would willingly subject themselves to that while walking around in front a baseball park in the sweltering heat — without being on the payroll of the team, is nuts.
by StevenABQ on
Sep 25, 2008 5:10 PM CDT
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I do miss the ball girls tho

Totally worthwhile
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on
Sep 25, 2008 5:11 PM CDT
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She looks rather uncomfortable
next to that Philli ballboy’s junk.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 25, 2008 5:12 PM CDT
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Hey baby...
…it’s not just my job title, ifyaknowwhatimean.
"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on
Sep 25, 2008 5:13 PM CDT
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Note the "younger-slimmer" Milton behind the man taking the picture.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Sep 25, 2008 5:13 PM CDT
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good eyes
20 years at Wrigley will do that
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on
Sep 25, 2008 5:16 PM CDT
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I think my dad bought pot from him.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 25, 2008 5:17 PM CDT
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PROOF!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Sep 25, 2008 5:19 PM CDT
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Another SWL classic
so when are you putting together a book of your creations? I smell another Project 3000 fundraiser…..
It has to start some place. It has to start some time. What better place than here. What better time than now. ~Rage Against the Machine
by love the ivy on
Sep 25, 2008 5:21 PM CDT
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coffee table book.
it’s a moral imperative.
I’ll even let you put my CUBS-Team masterpiece in it. :D
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Sep 25, 2008 5:59 PM CDT
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Looks like Marla Collins
I still have the playboy issue of her.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on
Sep 25, 2008 5:27 PM CDT
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GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!
HEY CHICAGO WHADDA YA SAY? CUBS SURE DID LOSE TODAY!
by LOUtheMETSfan on
Sep 25, 2008 11:03 PM CDT
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you're singing about barely beating the IOWA cubs
you know that, right?
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 26, 2008 4:56 AM CDT
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I just had to get it on man.
Yeah, I actually mentioned that fact on Amazin this morning.
Man, you just got to understand that over in New York Mets country, any win is a good win for us. It’s tough seein the ups and downs.
No hard feelings pal.
by LOUtheMETSfan on
Sep 26, 2008 4:23 PM CDT
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This is great
Last year when the Mets werent doing all that great, Conan OBrien did a series of Mr. Met trying to off himself. It was very funny.
It has to start some place. It has to start some time. What better place than here. What better time than now. ~Rage Against the Machine
by love the ivy on
Sep 25, 2008 5:04 PM CDT
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I'm supposed to go to a Nationals game tonight...
…but the weather stinks here in DC: rain, rain, rain, … maybe they can get 6 innings up in NYC through this rain, but I doubt that there will be many fans in the stands.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 25, 2008 3:58 PM CDT 0 recs
For californiachicagoan
Remember this argument?
My brother’s making the trek from Melrose Park to see this game— obviously, he’s rooting for PSU. Man, I’m excited for this game.
Less than 48 hours, bud.
by NittanyCub on Sep 25, 2008 4:00 PM CDT 0 recs
Agrh
I wish I was there, to make fun of both PSU and Illini. GO BADGERS!
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Sep 25, 2008 4:06 PM CDT
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Oh don't gimme that crap.
PSU has played horseshit teams, that’s a fact. Meanwhile, the Badgers played a nationally televised game (at night!), against a scary-ass Fresno State team. I’ll reevaluate PSU after this Illini game. Your road schedule is a hellva harder than Wisco’s.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Sep 25, 2008 4:14 PM CDT
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Hey easy on the PSU schedule...
…it includes my beloved Oregon State. I will make my prediction for tonight, OSU 38 USC 31.
"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard
by TXCub on
Sep 25, 2008 4:25 PM CDT
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Wow I would love that.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Sep 25, 2008 4:27 PM CDT
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Your Badgers favored by 6 this weekend in Ann Arbor
Which WI team will show?
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on
Sep 25, 2008 4:32 PM CDT
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You're kidding, right?
Michigan is 100 out of 120 teams in points/game, 88/120 in rushing, and 101/120 in passing. And they got blown out by Notre Dame last week!! ND!!
It won’t be close.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on
Sep 25, 2008 4:38 PM CDT
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Dude, if the Badgers don't beat Michigan by 30
i’d almost count that as a loss.
Michigan is awful.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 25, 2008 4:39 PM CDT
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Anyone that is a betting man (or woman)
might wanna grab that line ASAP, if it really is -6…
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Sep 25, 2008 4:42 PM CDT
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That's what they said when Ron Dayne came to town.
Just kidding. If MI plays like they did with ND, WI won’t need their offense.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on
Sep 25, 2008 4:51 PM CDT
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