Micah Hoff-POWER Not Enough: Cubs Lose To Mets 7-6
by Al on Sep 26, 2008 8:14 AM CDT
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The best news about last night's 7-6 Cubs loss to the Mets is: it wasn't postponed or suspended, which would have forced the Cubs to return to New York on Monday to finish up. And, even though we'd have liked to see the Cubs win on a day when Micah Hoffpauir made his case for the postseason roster by going 5-for-5 with two homers, the wins by the Mets and the Brewers last night reduced the elimination number for the Astros (who also won) to one -- meaning that any win by either the Brewers OR the Mets would eliminate the possibility that the Cubs would have to return to Houston on Monday to make up that postponed game.
Now that we've cleared that up, and now that Ryan Dempster has been named the game one starter next Wednesday -- all eyes are on the last playoff roster spot. Will it be Hoffpauir? Lou says he's at least bought himself another start tonight in Milwaukee. But remember this: Hoffpauir won't be starting games in the postseason. He would be on the bench, to serve as a middle-inning pinch-hitter. As a pinch-hitter this season, he is 3-for-13 (all singles) with a walk and seven strikeouts. He isn't really a good defensive player -- there were a couple of balls that got by him at first base last night that Derrek Lee would have stopped, and you wouldn't want to see him in the outfield in a playoff game -- and so, if I were making the choice, I wouldn't make it based on one spectacular game which isn't likely to be repeated. Felix Pie is my pick for the final playoff roster slot, presuming the Cubs do go with 11 pitchers rather than 12 (and Chad Gaudin is rapidly pitching himself off the roster), due to his speed and ability to play all three outfield positions. I'm more concerned about Mark DeRosa, who now may sit out the entire Milwaukee series with the mild calf strain he suffered on Wednesday night.
The loss took away any chance for the Cubs to win 100 games this season (unless they sweep the Brewers AND the makeup game in Houston is played, an unlikely scenario), but if they can sweep in Milwaukee they'd have 99 wins, the most by a Cubs team since 1935. The 840 runs scored is the most since they scored 847 in 1935; only two Cub teams since 1900 have scored more than 847 (both in high-offense seasons: 982 in 1929 and 998 in 1930).
Also last night, Rich Harden made a decent showing in his final start before the postseason, though the five walks is too many, as were the 98 pitches in six innings. Harden gets at least a week off, as he won't throw till at the earliest next Thursday in game two, or, depending on the opponent (Lou might want to throw Ted Lilly vs. the lefthanded hitting Phillies in game two, if they wind up being the opposition), maybe not even till game three on the road. I was surprised to see Koyie Hill catching last night -- he won't be on the postseason roster and Henry Blanco will, and Blanco could use some playing time, too. I assume Hank White will catch at least one of the games in Milwaukee this weekend.
So the Cubs return to their second-favorite park tonight, where they have won all six games they've played there in 2008 against two different teams, where they'll have a fair number of fans -- a quick check of ticket availability for Miller Park just before this was posted shows Sunday's game a complete sellout and only SRO tickets for tonight and tomorrow. TV and schedule reminders: tonight's game has been moved to CSN Plus for Chicago-area viewers, but has also been picked up by ESPN, so it will be available nationally; and tomorrow's game time has been changed to 2:55 to accomodate Fox. Here's the link that normally carries the market listings for Fox games; as of this morning it hasn't yet been updated for tomorrow's games.
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First!
Let’s get some W’s in Brew Town.
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by tville on Sep 26, 2008 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, Hoff-POWER went 5 for 5.
Maybe it means nothing, but then again…
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 26, 2008 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I certainly have more confidence in him now.
by adam316 on Sep 26, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After ONE game?
What if he goes 0-for-5 tonight? Then will you lose confidence?
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by Al on Sep 26, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, 5 for 5 and 0 for 5 still mean he is batting .500 after 10 Major Leage At-Bats.
And if you want to talk small sample size, I can easily make a 95% confidence interval showing that his numbers are still quite respectable.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 26, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just have more confidence in him now than I did 2 days ago.
I still believe he could easily go 0 for 5 tonight, but I do believe more in his potential. If he does awesome tonight, though, I will be torn between having him or PIE on the playoff roster.
by adam316 on Sep 26, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't.
He had one good day. Talk about small sample size.
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by Al on Sep 26, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I know
But if he suddenly gets hot, you might have to consider it I think.
by adam316 on Sep 26, 2008 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Play the hot hand for now, Al.
We’ll see if Hoffpauir remains hot this weekend, starting tonight.
I’d probably take both him and Pie to the playoffs and leave Ward out.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That does seem like a good idea
Depending on how Hoffpauir continues to perform.
by adam316 on Sep 26, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hot hand?
ONE FREAKIN’ DAY makes him the “hot hand”?
Wow, you guys sound like my friend Phil in the bleachers… every time someone does well, GET HIM IN THERE, every time someone does poorly, GET HIM OUT OF THERE.
You’d need a 95-man roster if Phil was managing.
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by Al on Sep 26, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, the weekend will tell us if Hoffpauir is the hot hand or not.
But as Lou said: So far, Hoffpauir has not hurt his chances to be in the postseason roster.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Phil must be related
to Ozzie
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on Sep 26, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Play the hot hand
Start Micah all weekend. And then take Pie for October.
Ward is a superior pinch hitter.
by gocubsgo22 on Sep 26, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the playoff roster depends a lot
on who we match up with in the first round!
Since we can switch players on/off for each series we might not need a platoon in CF… particularly if we end up playing versus LAD who only have RHP starters.
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 26, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense matters more in the post
than offense. We have bats. We need an impeccable set of gloves.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 26, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
when you see a guy like Micah playing first…. you really get an appreciation for D. Lee… yea the guy hits into a lot of double plays… but he saves a lot of games at first that go under the radar.
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on Sep 26, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How soon we forget....
2-3 in the Colorado game
4-8 in 2 games at Tampa
2-4 at Toronto
The guy’s hitting .387, give him SOME credit for having a pretty good season. Jeez.
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by carmen_fanzone on Sep 26, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great.
So that’s five good games. Big whoop.
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by Al on Sep 26, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And weren't all those starts?
If he’s starting a playoff game, I may find a ledge now and put my reservation in.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I had to repeat about 12 times last night...
…..I’m not advocating Micah starting and with the need of a PH in the playoffs, I see Ward getting the nod, but my complaint is all this “Ward is clutch and Hoff sucks”. That I disagree with. At least this season.
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by carmen_fanzone on Sep 26, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't here last night. sorry.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward's numbers are ancient history.
He hasn’t done anything lately. I insist, this series is about momentum. Play the hot hands or go home early.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ancient history?
Guess you forgot the game-winning homer in Florida in August.
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by Al on Sep 26, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's September 26th. The guy isn't hitting past the pitcher's mound right now.
Let him hit this weekend and see if he regains his stroke. If he does, I’m all for him in the playoffs roster.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm for him playing the next three.
I believe he’s on the roster and at bats the next three games will help him keep things going and probably improve.
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by N Oakley on Sep 26, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bottom line, I think, is this:
Clutch situation, men on, need to score runs. I have far more faith, and feel far more comofortable with Ward up there. It’s not a surfire, nor is it the same as having Ramirez or Lee up, but it’s the best PH option we have.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 26, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that as to Ward, I'm an agnostic right now.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let us know when you see the light.
;)
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 26, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd argue that that's more than Ward this year
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by carmen_fanzone on Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to break up the party
But Ward hit .462 in inter-league play, which is nearly as relevant as Hoffpauir’s stats versus Tampa and Toronto.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al said Micah had one good game....
…I was mentioning others. So thanks, but it had nothing to do with Ward.
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by carmen_fanzone on Sep 26, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is...
…but the guy can hit and I don’t think there is any question about that. Looking at the smoothness of his swing, what he did in AAA and last night, tells me he can do some damage if given the chance.
Here is where the problem comes in (IMO). Micah appears to be a guy who thrives when he gets his share of AB’s and that is not going to happen if he is on the playoff roster. When you get that one chance to do something (as a pinch hitter), it takes a different type of focus, mentality and experience. I am not so certain that would be an environment he would thrive in. Being a successful pinch hitter, is one of the more difficult roles in all of baseball, and I would tend to go with experience on this one.
I have to admit though, his bat intrigues me and I would be real curious to see what he could do given extended playing time in the bigs. The chances of that being with the Cubs is minimal, but he may be a diamond in the rough as a DH in the AL.
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by MPH73 on Sep 26, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
If you look at the full box score last night, beyond Pie 1-5 and Hoff 5-5, there’s also the matter of Pie SB (3) and Hoff E (2). Those two numbers could be magnified quite a bit in a playoff game.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Sep 26, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we really need...
2 outfielders that plays D but cant hit? Keep Hoff on and Pie, leave Dome off roster.
by JPetey on Sep 26, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome has to be on the roster, IMO.
There are too many years invested in him to destroy his relationship with the City and team. Further, from what I’ve seen of the new Pie, he looks like he is currently hitting.
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by N Oakley on Sep 26, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome's defense alone should keep him on the roster
Cubs win last night (or are at least tied) if Hill applies the tag correctly. The throw beat the runner by 4-5 steps.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
While his hitting has turned my hair grey, he’s without a doubt one of the best outfielders in the game.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 26, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said...
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by carmen_fanzone on Sep 26, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Torn?
Lets see: athletic OF who can play 3 positions & PR or a 1b?
what exactly is conflicting about that?
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Now let's say that you had a choice between Hoff and Howry on the roster?
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by zevkalman on Sep 26, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howry & Hoff?
Is death an option?
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, considering a Pinch Hitter is mainly needed for
his offense, I would probably rather go with the person who has the hottest bat.
by adam316 on Sep 26, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't really talkign PH, i was just talking roster spot
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's go over this again.
Hoffpauir’s not a good pinch-hitter (seven K’s in 14 plate appearances). That would be his role on a postseason roster. I go with the guy with experience.
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by Al on Sep 26, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go with Ward
he’s been a pinch-hitter most of his career. He knows how to prepare during the game to pinch hit, which Hoffpauir hasn’t learned yet.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
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by Al on Sep 26, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon. Ward hasn't been able to hit a ball past the pitcher's mound this week.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter...
…there is an element of clutch with Ward (when the game is on the line). He is just as adapt to put one on Sheffield in a key playoff spot.
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by MPH73 on Sep 26, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, Ward is okay with taking a walk.
which, at times can be just as clutch.
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by Blue W on Sep 26, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask opposing managers who they'd rather see in on deck circle
Hoffpaur or Ward. I bet I know the answer.
by gocubsgo22 on Sep 26, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bingo
a K in a pinch-hit situation can be deadly. K’ing 50% of the time as a PH is not acceptable on a playoff roster. Man on third, one-out, top-nine playoff game and you need a sac fly, I still trust the (poor numbers) Ward over Hoff about 4 times as much
by philadelphiacub on Sep 26, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+11 wins.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 26, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what makes me wonder why people see him as a DH
… course, I’m an NL girl, the DH makes no sense to me anyway.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would go with ward and pie
hands down
however i just don’t understand the amount of animosity people seem to have for hoff….from the comments i read on here people love to rub it in when hoff fails and when he does well it’s still “glass is half empty”
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by cubswynn on Sep 26, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm not anti-hoff persay
but i’m not very into the experiment. If he contributes, I’m not gonna whine and the career minor leaguer who comes up and thrives is a great story…
but i’d rather end the century thing then get into Hoff’s story.
Maybe thats just me.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean you necessarily
i was late coming into the convo and didn’t know where to throw that in…..i have just never understood why people seem to rejoice the fact that they were “right” when hoff does poorly
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by cubswynn on Sep 26, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*i DIDN'T mean you necessarily
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by cubswynn on Sep 26, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought thats what you'd meant
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
…besides, next week isn’t exactly when you want to start experimenting.
by sniffy the bee on Sep 26, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Pie.
Hoff had a great night last night, but he’s had many more bad swings, especially off the bench. And even if Pie can’t hit off the bench, at least he brings something to the table with his defense and speed.
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by tville on Sep 26, 2008 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Suplus outfield defense and speed is supplied by Reed Johnson and Kosuke on the bench...
Felix Pie won’t make the cut. It will be Micah Hoffpauier. Unless Lou Piniella surprises and leaves Daryl Ward off the roster which I guess is within the realm of possibility.
by MDBNIU on Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you want Hoffpauir and Ward?
That’s essentially the same person.
I’d rather trade one of those in for an extra defender late in games.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Pitching is king, but speed kills.
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by N Oakley on Sep 26, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely.
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by tville on Sep 26, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pie is on the roster...
…he immediately becomes your best base stealing threat (by a mile). Besides Johnson, the majority of the the Cubs (with speed) don’t have the greatest base running instincts. This element becomes key in tight low scoring playoff games.
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by MPH73 on Sep 26, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't cloud BlueMike's judgement w/ facts
He hates Pie. Nothing will change that.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie...yum!
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by dtpollitt on Sep 26, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano isn't far behind Pie
Theriot is though
by JPetey on Sep 26, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but it’s good to have two. Plus, you can’t sub Soriano in for Ward late in a game when you need a run. That’s where Pie comes in.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 26, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers vs. Cubs, Mets vs. Marlins
Who has the advantage here, do you think?
Besides the Cubs, i mean.
by daeviant on Sep 26, 2008 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Advantage: Cubs v Brewers
at least these games are going to get in. Looking at the radar, the Mets are gonna have a hard time playing this weekend. And if it works its way inland, so will the Phils.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It already has.
I’m about 2 hours south of Philly in the DC metro area and it’s been raining and dreary since last night. The Nats game was cancelled last night, and the weather doesn’t look good for the rest of the weekend.
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by zevkalman on Sep 26, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun.
I guess it could be worse…
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I probably don't need to repeat it
Since I mentioned him yesterday, but Bob Howry’s performance last night just shows why we absolutely cannot put him in any important situation in the playoffs. The odds are just so bad that he will actually hold a lead that it is not worth it.
by adam316 on Sep 26, 2008 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is pretty funny. Nice job.
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by Zeke on Sep 26, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by carmen_fanzone on Sep 26, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward
Your desciption of Hoffpauir pretty much can be used for Ward as well. Not very good defensively at 1B or in the OF and is strictly pinch-hitting material. No matter what their respective numbers are as starters or PH’ers, you’ve got to go with the hot hand in the playoffs. If Hoffpauir is hitting the ball all over the lot and displaying confidence in his plate approach, you’ve got to seriously consider having him take Ward’s spot on the playoff roster. Very seriously consider it in fact.
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by krummy12 on Sep 26, 2008 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Ward is a better defensive player than Hoff is
OTOH, I think Lou is keeping an open mind (more than other people here) and seems to suggest he is willing to take a longer look at Hoff.
As regards, to old minor league journeymen, well I think that the Cards have one or two of those that did pretty damn good this year. No use in discounting Hoff on that regard.
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by zevkalman on Sep 26, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward's a much better pinch-hitter than Hoffpauir...
… and that’s how they would be used in the postseason.
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by Al on Sep 26, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And whenever Ward comes in for pinch
I always know he has the ability to crank a deep homer at whatever ballpark the Cubs happen to be at.
by adam316 on Sep 26, 2008 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward also has years of pinch-hitting experience
He knows how to prepare for his role as a pinch-hitter, which is a tougher role than most think.
Plus, if/when Ward reaches, he’ll need a pinch-runner. Enter Felix Pie and his speed and defense.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone discussed the fact that there is a DH in games 1 & 2 of World Series?
I know I am getting ahead of myself, but it is something the coaches have to think about.
by gocubsgo22 on Sep 26, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
you don’t think about it until you get there.
The roster can change for every round of the playoffs (right?)
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought.
The Hoff may have value later, if/when…
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by N Oakley on Sep 26, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The play at the plate
I think Koyie Hill basically lost the game when he had more than ample time to tag the runner at home. I still cannot figure out why he dropped down to his knee so the runner could just cruise around him into home. I suppose it was a minor league mistake.
by adam316 on Sep 26, 2008 8:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OTOH, why wasn't the runner called out on going 6 feet outside of the baseline?
If this game meant something, Lou would have lost his cool.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 26, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not applicable for plays at the plate
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can a runner run 40 feet away from the baseline, touch the backstop and then score?
Are those the rules?
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by zevkalman on Sep 26, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he anticipated Church running through him, so he tried to get low
None the less, missing that tag was inexcusable. Gotta make that play in that situation.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Why would Church run over a catcher standing 6 feet before home plate?
It’s easier to run around him, as Church did.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question.
Hill just wasn’t in good position to adjust if Church tried to go around him.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Seemed like Hill guessed wrong and got slide around.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he tripped
is what Pat said.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 26, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now Cedeño is hurt too.
He hurt his shoulder when he stupidly slid from home to first base Wedenesday night. What a mosquito brain!
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2008 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It still baffles...
…me when these guys slide into first base. The only time you do it is when you are trying to avoid a tag by the 1b. It has been proven, it is the slowest way to reach a base as opposed to running through it.
If I recall, J. Jones used to pull that as well.
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by MPH73 on Sep 26, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if
They fined players $1000 each time they did that, it would stop
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not.
I doubt they even think about it. They just do it.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 26, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta be stomped out in little league
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard someone say once:
“If diving into first base is faster than running through it, then why don’t you see more Olympic runners diving head-first across the finish line?”
Kinda ended that argument for me, right there. I cannot stand head-first slides into first.
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by dtpollitt on Sep 26, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Stone
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't a us sprinter dive
in these last olympics?
by TC Cubby on Sep 26, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the guy who won bronze in the 400 i think
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by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't remember --
but I do remember Stone saying it years ago.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that the guy who won the bronze in 2008 dove?
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Yes he did.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought Stone was smart
No idea he could tell the future. :-P
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whenever...
…you slide, you slow yourself down and that is a proven fact. The fastest way to a base is to blow through it. Obviously, you can only do that at 1b and home plate.
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by MPH73 on Sep 26, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a fair comparision
1. your body has to cross the finish line in a race not your hands.
2. head first slide onto dirt will leave your skin on your body
Still it is much safer and probly just as fast to just run thru the base
Quick, someone get a hold of the Myth Busters.
by JPetey on Sep 26, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Physics tells us
You are slowing down when you slide.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Myth Buster thought, though
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Myth buster was wrong
they tested running and stopping at 2nd Base- typical mythbuster misinterpertation of a myth
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 26, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no you didnt!
Dont you go ripping on the Mythbusters or you and me are gonna have to throw down!
:)
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by californiachicagoan on Sep 26, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the show
but on some stuff that i really want to find out an answer to they screw up and frustrate me- the baseball episode was a big one because the sliding test was oh so flawed
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 26, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what you mean
But 95% of the show is so great!
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by californiachicagoan on Sep 26, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
zombie Feyman
agrees :-)
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by Andre Fonseca on Sep 26, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 to you for referencing xkcd
well done. :-)
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is why you dive
and not slide, belly flop on dirt may hurt. lol
by JPetey on Sep 26, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But on most of those dives
They stop on the bag itself
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that i think of it
Myth busters did kinda do this, except it was to a base like 2nd where you couldn’t run past it.
by JPetey on Sep 26, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What were the results?
Keeping in mind that you can, of course, run past 1st
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if i remember right
it was faster to slide rather than try to run and stop on the base, however they had the girl and two guys (forget there names, not the main guys) doing this, I don’t think they had ever ran the bases in their life.
by JPetey on Sep 26, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would actually be better to dive.
like a third baseman diving towards a ball on the line. Not sure if you could hold onto the bag though. My 2 cents.
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by Bump Bailey on Sep 26, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference there, though
Is you need your hand on the ground. Not so for running, and your feet are already there.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money can be a powerful motivator. Or calnesthetics.
Hayes, every time I see you slide into first, you owe me 10 pushups.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
But it’s not just Cedeno. DeRo, a favorite around here, did it earlier this year.
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by neverAcquiesce on Sep 26, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
I like DeRo, but he’s not a good baserunner. More than once, he’s been thrown out when on second base and moving towards third on grounders to the left side.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I remember the horrible belly flop into first but I don’t recall him making a lot of boneheaded base gaffes.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a game against Cincy in August
Where the shortstop flipped to second like a double play and got him wandering off second. If you listen to the 2007 WGN radio audio highlights (still on youtube, which I can’t get to from work), there’s a play where he tried for third on a grounder to short. Only two examples off the top of my head in two years, but those are boneheaded.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh okay
You have examples. I thought you might’ve been being a hyperbolic badger. :-P
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, just a hypothetical one
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need no stinkin' Badgers!
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by N Oakley on Sep 26, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't need to show you no stinkin' Badgers
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I'm so excited by this weekend, I sold my tickets.
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by N Oakley on Sep 26, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You had tickets at the Big House?
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wisconsin – 23
Michigan – 13
It’s gonna be really ugly, which is just how I like Badger football.
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by dtpollitt on Sep 26, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!
I don’t know whether you meant to cut half of that picture out, but it leaves it up for interpretation— if you catch my drift.
That guy in the Nittany Lion suit is having way too much fun back there.
by NittanyCub on Sep 26, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently UW has nothing on PSU
as a party school!
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure no one has anything on UW as a party school.
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by dtpollitt on Sep 26, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too :)
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 26, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yet again.... I replied in the wrong place grrrr
me too… is response to dan’s comment about how he likes badger football played.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 26, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't reply in the wrong place
You didn’t in the SI thread, either. You have to remember that your reply goes below all the previous replies.
Scroll up and you’ll see your first one was a response to Dan.
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems at times--i'll hit reply
then before i hit post—17 new posts come up and bump mine into the wrong place
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by cubfever7 on Sep 26, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to start to include what I agree with then
maybe that will help
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 26, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hit the up button
you’re in the right spot.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its only ugly if you lose
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shanghai
Every game. This year, every brutal game. May wind up selling them all. Will still be rooting for a Ron Dayne years re-do, but I don’t expect it.
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by N Oakley on Sep 26, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think the new coach will get it done eventually?
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but...
I’m unimpressed. He inheritied a roster of 3 and 4 star players and is jamming his system on the team.
A great coach would be able to alter the system to fit the talent, which he’s not doing. Therefore, Rich Rod is not a great coach, but a coach with a decent system.
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by N Oakley on Sep 26, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Badger badger badger badger badger
Snake! Its a snake! Badger badger badger badger
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by californiachicagoan on Sep 26, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
santa santa santa santa santa santa
PRESENTS! PRESENTS!
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 26, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 to both
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're thinking
of Riot. :D
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 26, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronny Cedeno is not a smart ballplayer
He makes stupid plays on defenses. He routinenly overruns the bag, He slides head first into first base. He doesn’t shorten up on 0-2 counts. The list goes on.
by MDBNIU on Sep 26, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a shame too
There is talent somewhere inside of him, and at times he shows flashes of it, unfortunately those flashes are quickly replaced by images of him bunting at the pitcher or oversliding second base.
He is still prolly our game 1 starting second baseman tho.
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by nji232 on Sep 26, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about 'stupid plays'
He’s made less errors (4 in 97 games) than Theriot (14 in 146 games), which is more than half the amount of Theriot per game. He has a better reach and a bigger arm than Theriot.
The “routinely overrun bag” that you so eloquently put happened once in 2007, I believe. Really, really, dumb mistake, but there’s almost a world of difference between the ’07 Cedeno and the ’08 Cedeno.
by NittanyCub on Sep 26, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot started i'm sure most of those game
there is no way Cedeno started 97 games, who has the fielding % handy?
by JPetey on Sep 26, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward a better PH?
12-62 as a PH this year with 5 XBH. He swings at every single pitch and has been pretty god awful as a PH this year. I don’t think he deserves a post season spot, would rather see Hoffpair.
More relevent, the Cubs bullpen is in shambles. I have no idea who Pinella will throw out there to bridge starters to Marmol. I actually think this problem could impact his decision as far as using Harden or Lilly in game two – knowing that Lilly is more capable of going deeper into game
by BeltwayCubsFan on Sep 26, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point on pitching
specially when you add to the fact that he’s a lefty. The question is does this push Z out to the 4th game? Who would have thought we’d be having this discussion?
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by tony412 on Sep 26, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Ward has not swung at every single pitch (I know that’s hyperbole on your part). In his last 2 at bats, he’s been ahead in the count when taking his first swing. In fact, that’s part of what makes him a good pinch hitter is his propensity to watch a few pitches and get a feel for the pitcher.
Samardzija hasn’t been terrible – given the choices right now, he’d probably get the ball in the 7th. If Gaudin shows form in Milwaukee (back injuries aren’t easy to overcome), he could be the man in the 7th, too. And lastly, Marshall and Marquis will both be in the pen and can probably throw and inning or two if needed.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward also drew quite a number of walks as a PH.
I don’t have the exact number, but it’s at least ten.
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by Al on Sep 26, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
its 15
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by gwood on Sep 26, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so...
… that would make his OBA as a PH .351. (27 times reached in 77 PA)
That works for me.
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by Al on Sep 26, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here are his pitch-count splits
Looks like he takes plenty of pitches. Ward has swung at the first pitch (and had a result) 11 times this year.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard him talk about his approach last year
He said he is very patient and will make the pitcher give him his pitch, if there’s no one in scoring position (or if the bases are loaded).
With runners on second or third, he looks for something to hit on the first pitch. Since I heard the interview I’ve watched him to see if this is true, and found he does follow this pattern.
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by JohnM on Sep 26, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem w/ first pitch swinging
especially since a lot of relievers (which Ward would be facing in clutch situation) seem to be fastball-heavy guys.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem at all, if it's in the zone
Just pointing out what the man himself said about taking pitches in some situations and being aggressive in others.
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by JohnM on Sep 26, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Works for me.
I’m glad he has a plan up there, and I think it reinforces his veteran experience.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having a plan is good
Just pure reacting is not so good, especially for a PH.
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by JohnM on Sep 26, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. And it's a learned experience, IMO.
Which is why Ward should be on the playoff roster, instead of Hoffpauir, who hasn’t learned it yet.
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by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When do you think they'll announce the roster?
I’m ready for the games to start.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have until Wednesday
but I think Lou has hinted Sunday. He does like to get these things out of the way (for example the Dempster announcement wasn’t expected till tomorrow, then in got done yesterday).
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by JohnM on Sep 26, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about the schedule and times when does that come out
I realize it has to after Sunday, b/c who is playing is still up in the air. When do you find out what times the games are played?
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 26, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
but I set up a Google Alert with TBS and Cubs so I’ll post something if I get the news on that before seeing it here.
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by JohnM on Sep 26, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to find some statistics on pinch hitters...
…but having a damn hard time doing so.
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by dtpollitt on Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're all amazingly small splits.
What you’re better off doing is taking your estimates of a player’s overall hitting talent and applying the league-average difference between a player’s production and his PH hitting.
by cwyers on Sep 26, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Ward.
But remember, the bullpen will be reinforced with starters like Marquis in the postseason. Still, that bullpen was overstretched in September after a long season and the absence of Gaudin. It’s a focus of concern, perhaps the only one right now.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is a fair point on walks
it was incomplete of me to post his stats without them. And I think having Marquis and Marshall will be huge, I am just saying that Pinella has some interesting choices — I think Samardija will be decent enough, I hope Gaudin can get his rhythm back but right now guys that Pinella relied on earlier in the season for the 7th inning – cotts, samardija, gaudin – are not looking good.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Sep 26, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now thats original
lets make fun of the big fella.
really? is this where we’re at?
I feel like an old man. GET OFF MY LAWN.
I need more caffeine.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. That's where we are at.
CC is a beached whale.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 26, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old man?
You’re what, 3 years older and me? And a girl?
If you’re feeling both old and a man, somethin’s wrong witchya
by NittanyCub on Sep 26, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it wrong
if she’s feeling a man?
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe she ignored that . . . .
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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
too busy laughing
and… i really couldn’t come up with a SFW line. :-P
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grumpy
I was implying I was grumpy.
Keep up, grasshopper.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the dreaded red x
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 26, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Homer saying D'oh
shows up fine for me.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Homer saying "d'oh."
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 26, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC just pawn in chess game of life...
But does anyone else hope the Cubs will sign him this winter? Would probably be the best thing in the world for Z’s career and for the Cubs.
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by Weeghman Park on Sep 26, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
god, no.
CC’s arm is probably held on by baling wire and tape. I like our starting rotation the way it is.
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 26, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
I’ll take Zambrano, Lilly, Harden, Dempster and pick from Marshall, Marquis, Samardzija. CC will want 7 years at $20M/per, and I don’t think that’s a good idea. Too many back-loaded contracts as it is.
I’d rather see the money spent upgrading CF if they’re giving up on Pie and SS.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that they could spend the money in the outfield better..
but these innings aren’t hurting CC a bit. He is the only modern day Bob Gibson in terms of stamina. I hate him as a Brewer but I appreciate seeing a pitcher just go out there and take the ball and pitch well without all the drama of virtually every other pitcher in the majors today. Probably half of the “reporting” on baseball these days is about so-and-so pitcher and he has a little “tightness” in his forearm or needs TJS in the off season or started throwing from flat ground or threw a simulated game or went down to AA to rehab and on and on.
When did pitchers’ arms become made of glass? When they started doing weight training in high school or when it was normal for a 12 year old to learn a curve ball so he could pitch 5 days a week in middle-school/AAU, etc.? Sorry for the soapbox and if you want to know how I really feel just ask.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 26, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I wouldn't cry if they signed him
But I don’t think SP is going to be a top priority
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 26, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't hurting him a bit?
Really?
A guy only has so many bullets.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 26, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate this keyboard
What I was trying to say before my computer decided to hit “enter” on its own was “Let’s see how many innings he throws next year.” I really think throwing a pitch doesn’t hurt his body at all, for whatever reason. If he crashes and burns next year then I was wrong and he’s just like every other pitcher these days.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 26, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then it's too late
Because he’s 1 year into a 7-year, $140,000,000 contract.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
Someone is going to roll the dice on him for that much. I don’t think it will be the Cubs but it will be interesting to watch next year. So long as he is not with any NL Central team I hope he does well for the life of his next contract.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 26, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was thrown out there yesterday:
He has thrown 244 inning this year… (+ 1 more start)
Last year he throw 241 innings before the playoffs and he broke down in the playoffs.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Sep 26, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees said
they are going after CC- I doubt the Cubs get in a bidding war when their rotation is fairly solid for the next few years
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Sep 26, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see CC signing with the Yankees or any other AL team.
He likes to bat. I think he’s headed to the Dodgers.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 26, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he wants to hit...
I really think he wants a WS ring more than a zillion dollar contract with anyone
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 26, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take San Francisco in the CC pool
he’s from the Bay Area, plus, they can throw some cash at him.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that happens...
…and they hang on to Caine, the Giants would have a hell of a one through three in their rotation with CC, Caine and, last but certainly not least, Tiny Tim. I guess their offense would still be a pretty big question mark, though.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito is actually pitching well lately
believe it or not…
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on Sep 26, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word is Cain will be trade bait this winter for offense
couple rumors had him heading to Milwaukee or Philadelphia. In one trade it was Fielder/Hardy for Cain (though it would probably be 1 of those 2) and in another it was Howard for Cain.
Interesting possibilities, to say the least.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I've heard the Fielder for Cain rumor...
…but not the Cain for Howard one. That is interesting.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly, the Phils and Howard
have had some contentious arbitration talks in years past, so they might not want to go down that road again, and they feel they can replace his offense given their park.
And since Cain misses bats, he’d work in Philly.
Should be interesting.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then CC can be CC while Manny is being Manny.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Sep 26, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just when you think...
…your starting pitching is set for a few years the wheels fall off and you end up short.
We have seen this happen time and time again. You can never never have too much pitching.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 27, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC's arm is a ticking time bomb.
I wonder if he could sue the Brewers if it falls off next year
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 26, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his arm is fine.
As much as he wants to win, I don’t think he would destroy his arm this year at the expense of his big contract to come.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 26, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh No Not Howry
That is my scream everytime I see him walking in from the Bull Pen…. Looking for a guy to cut from the playoff roster its him……. Addition by Subtraction….. I am going to barf the
next time I hear about Lou saying what a fine young man he is ….. what are all the rest of the Bull Pen criminals …………….. give me HoffPower ….. no Pie please Korey Jr a 250
hitter “K”
Howry must have “something” on Lou and Larry……………..
by nimblenikelfoos on Sep 26, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What he has...
…is experience, good track record and they like the way he approaches the game. This is why Lou has given him every opportunity to get in a positive groove.
With all of that said, I don’t see Lou putting him in a playoff game considering his recent struggles. In fact, his roster spot is probably very iffy at this point.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 26, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may wind up that Howry is left off and Gaudin makes it...
… with the remaining slot going to Pie.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 26, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Howry is...
…50/50 and that will probably be decided this weekend with Gaudin.
In regards to Pie, I’d be surprised if he didn’t make the roster. They need that element of speed and defense in the late innings.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 26, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither Gaudin nor Howry
are making very good cases for being on the postseason roster, but at least Gaudin was good at one point this season, whereas Howry has been a nightmare all season. That makes the decision easier for me, at least. I’d take Gaudin.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 26, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree...
…and I think Howry may be reaching the end of the line. The fact that he has never developed a reliable second pitch, is catching up with him.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 26, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe he has
made it this long in the majors without a 2nd pitch
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 26, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with ya...
…which really makes me tip my cap to him. He doesn’t have the dominant cutter like the guy on the Yankees, but he has relied on pin point control and guts to have a pretty good career.
His problem now, is he has lost some late juice on his fastball (and he knows it) and he has gotten behind hitter trying to be too fine.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 26, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1
Gaudin is rusty. We’ll see if he can regain control of his pitches this weekend.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he won't be rusty.... if he could stay away from rusty dumpsters :(
anyone else think that is worse than a hot tub injury?
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 26, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else think the dumpster is just a cover story
for something even more embarrasing?
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Sep 26, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still wonder why we haven't heard word one
About alcohol being involved.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 26, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'cause it's a given
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 26, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
When you have guy named Dempster on your team, I just imagine the jokes of what Gaudin should be staying away from.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about we give you an enter key?
Geez.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding?
Ellipses rule!
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 26, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like everything in life, in moderation
But, man. That was hard to read. I still haven’t made it through.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
… ellipses
…………………………………………………. dotted line
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 26, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellipsis: singular.
Ellipses: plural.
I win.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 26, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to stop for a minute and reread that...
Oval-shaped geometric figures = ellipses
The … punctuation indicating continuation = ellipsis, plural is also ellipses
You are correct, sir!
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 26, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheers.
I had to confirm the spelling of the plural form on Word lest I resemble a dumbass.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 26, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Math teacher here, married to an English teacher
Best of both academic worlds, you could say.
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 26, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your kids are fucked.
:D
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 26, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, pretty much
The running joke is that we’ve taught everything in our careers but home ec and industrial arts. Our kids have no escape. (mine is an evil laugh)
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 26, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just means
they’ll become actors and musicians.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 26, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've taught drama and music too
There is no escape…mwah hahahahahahahahaaaaa
"Years of academy training, wasted"--Buzz Lightyear (not a flying toy)
by spoiledcubbage on Sep 26, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What language is this?
None of my Google translators seem to make it make sense.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 26, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want Micah on the roster, at all.
Pie is infinitely more valuable because he plays more than one position (and all of them above average), can be used in running situations, and has a rocket for an arm, meaning his late inning substitution can be used for both pitchers and/or players injured. Micah is a below average defender, can’t run, is “hitting” in the last three games, and is limited to one position.
On a completely different note, we need to beat the Brewers down tonight. The walk-off grand salami by Braun (who I loathe) really boosted the confidence of this team. Let’s show them why it’s called Wrigley North and why we are the vastly superior team.
Is it too much to ask for one final tune-up tonight, with the supposed roster of Game 1 starting tonight (sans DeRo)? Or not?
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Sep 26, 2008 8:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I also view Pie as more valuable than Hoff on the post season roster...
..and I have to assume Ward’s experience makes him a shoo -in as well…but the utter dimissal by many of you for what Hoffpauir accomplished from spring training right on through last night befuddles me.
Did he key your cars? What gives? Someone said he missed a couple balls last night—i hope you’re not counitng the last play of the game as one of them. It was a tracer shot..the camera man was also unable to track it in time and had a good angle.
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
by cubfever7 on Sep 26, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Hoffpauir
but I’d rather see him in the pinch-hitter role for a full season before handing him a post-season roster spot. He hasn’t shown an ability to prepare for the pinch-hitting role as Ward knows how to do. He won’t start, unless there’s an injury.
His defense leaves a lot to be desired. The last play was tough, but I was thinking more of the ground ball he misplayed in the 1st. Even on a fielder’s choice he started in one inning, he fielded the ball off to his side and didn’t keep his head down on the grounder, which could have been problematic.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Exactly why Hoffpauir should NOT be on a playoff roster.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 26, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, with Ward on the roster
you need someone designated as a pinch runner for him in case he gets on, who better than Pie?
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on Sep 26, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly what I'm thinking.
Let Ward walk, then run with Pie.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple guys last night actually said Ward is faster than Hoff
agree or disagree?
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
by cubfever7 on Sep 26, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
a 30 year old w/ back problems isn’t going to be very quick.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 26, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I don't know that's it much of a complement
kind of like being the tallest midget.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just that some shoot from the hip to make their point...
Ward is NOT faster than Hoff—and i’m not so sure he’s better with the glove.
BUT…Ward is the gritty vet—so we’ll use him….with that same logic we should take Howry over Jeff Smardzjia (sp?) or Guzman too.
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
by cubfever7 on Sep 26, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think in this case, being a veteran helps Ward
Because Hoffpauir won’t start in the NLDS, Ward has the upper hand because he’s been a pinch-hitter for so long, and on playoff teams. So he knows how to prepare for a pinch-hitting role in the pressure-cooker of the playoffs.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 26, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen both in the field and though
Ward (last year) wasn’t a huge adventure. Ward’s not great, but can play. Hoff is not good in the outfield.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 26, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you Trey an N Oakley
your insights are well reasoned!
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
by cubfever7 on Sep 26, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we try
it always makes conversations much easier. I can understand your points, too, on Hoffpauir.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I