Micah Hoff-POWER Not Enough: Cubs Lose To Mets 7-6
The best news about last night's 7-6 Cubs loss to the Mets is: it wasn't postponed or suspended, which would have forced the Cubs to return to New York on Monday to finish up. And, even though we'd have liked to see the Cubs win on a day when Micah Hoffpauir made his case for the postseason roster by going 5-for-5 with two homers, the wins by the Mets and the Brewers last night reduced the elimination number for the Astros (who also won) to one -- meaning that any win by either the Brewers OR the Mets would eliminate the possibility that the Cubs would have to return to Houston on Monday to make up that postponed game.
Now that we've cleared that up, and now that Ryan Dempster has been named the game one starter next Wednesday -- all eyes are on the last playoff roster spot. Will it be Hoffpauir? Lou says he's at least bought himself another start tonight in Milwaukee. But remember this: Hoffpauir won't be starting games in the postseason. He would be on the bench, to serve as a middle-inning pinch-hitter. As a pinch-hitter this season, he is 3-for-13 (all singles) with a walk and seven strikeouts. He isn't really a good defensive player -- there were a couple of balls that got by him at first base last night that Derrek Lee would have stopped, and you wouldn't want to see him in the outfield in a playoff game -- and so, if I were making the choice, I wouldn't make it based on one spectacular game which isn't likely to be repeated. Felix Pie is my pick for the final playoff roster slot, presuming the Cubs do go with 11 pitchers rather than 12 (and Chad Gaudin is rapidly pitching himself off the roster), due to his speed and ability to play all three outfield positions. I'm more concerned about Mark DeRosa, who now may sit out the entire Milwaukee series with the mild calf strain he suffered on Wednesday night.
The loss took away any chance for the Cubs to win 100 games this season (unless they sweep the Brewers AND the makeup game in Houston is played, an unlikely scenario), but if they can sweep in Milwaukee they'd have 99 wins, the most by a Cubs team since 1935. The 840 runs scored is the most since they scored 847 in 1935; only two Cub teams since 1900 have scored more than 847 (both in high-offense seasons: 982 in 1929 and 998 in 1930).
Also last night, Rich Harden made a decent showing in his final start before the postseason, though the five walks is too many, as were the 98 pitches in six innings. Harden gets at least a week off, as he won't throw till at the earliest next Thursday in game two, or, depending on the opponent (Lou might want to throw Ted Lilly vs. the lefthanded hitting Phillies in game two, if they wind up being the opposition), maybe not even till game three on the road. I was surprised to see Koyie Hill catching last night -- he won't be on the postseason roster and Henry Blanco will, and Blanco could use some playing time, too. I assume Hank White will catch at least one of the games in Milwaukee this weekend.
So the Cubs return to their second-favorite park tonight, where they have won all six games they've played there in 2008 against two different teams, where they'll have a fair number of fans -- a quick check of ticket availability for Miller Park just before this was posted shows Sunday's game a complete sellout and only SRO tickets for tonight and tomorrow. TV and schedule reminders: tonight's game has been moved to CSN Plus for Chicago-area viewers, but has also been picked up by ESPN, so it will be available nationally; and tomorrow's game time has been changed to 2:55 to accomodate Fox. Here's the link that normally carries the market listings for Fox games; as of this morning it hasn't yet been updated for tomorrow's games.
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First!
Let’s get some W’s in Brew Town.
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by tville on Sep 26, 2008 8:18 AM CDT 0 recs
OK, Hoff-POWER went 5 for 5.
Maybe it means nothing, but then again…
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 26, 2008 8:18 AM CDT 0 recs
After ONE game?
What if he goes 0-for-5 tonight? Then will you lose confidence?
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by Al on
Sep 26, 2008 8:28 AM CDT
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Well, 5 for 5 and 0 for 5 still mean he is batting .500 after 10 Major Leage At-Bats.
And if you want to talk small sample size, I can easily make a 95% confidence interval showing that his numbers are still quite respectable.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on
Sep 26, 2008 8:30 AM CDT
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I just have more confidence in him now than I did 2 days ago.
I still believe he could easily go 0 for 5 tonight, but I do believe more in his potential. If he does awesome tonight, though, I will be torn between having him or PIE on the playoff roster.
by adam316 on
Sep 26, 2008 8:32 AM CDT
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I don't.
He had one good day. Talk about small sample size.
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by Al on
Sep 26, 2008 8:38 AM CDT
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I know, I know
But if he suddenly gets hot, you might have to consider it I think.
by adam316 on
Sep 26, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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Play the hot hand for now, Al.
We’ll see if Hoffpauir remains hot this weekend, starting tonight.
I’d probably take both him and Pie to the playoffs and leave Ward out.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 26, 2008 8:42 AM CDT
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That does seem like a good idea
Depending on how Hoffpauir continues to perform.
by adam316 on
Sep 26, 2008 8:44 AM CDT
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Hot hand?
ONE FREAKIN’ DAY makes him the “hot hand”?
Wow, you guys sound like my friend Phil in the bleachers… every time someone does well, GET HIM IN THERE, every time someone does poorly, GET HIM OUT OF THERE.
You’d need a 95-man roster if Phil was managing.
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by Al on
Sep 26, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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No, the weekend will tell us if Hoffpauir is the hot hand or not.
But as Lou said: So far, Hoffpauir has not hurt his chances to be in the postseason roster.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 26, 2008 9:02 AM CDT
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I think Phil must be related
to Ozzie
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on
Sep 26, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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Play the hot hand
Start Micah all weekend. And then take Pie for October.
Ward is a superior pinch hitter.
by gocubsgo22 on
Sep 26, 2008 9:24 AM CDT
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I think the playoff roster depends a lot
on who we match up with in the first round!
Since we can switch players on/off for each series we might not need a platoon in CF… particularly if we end up playing versus LAD who only have RHP starters.
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by Andre Fonseca on
Sep 26, 2008 12:25 PM CDT
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defense matters more in the post
than offense. We have bats. We need an impeccable set of gloves.
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 26, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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I agree
when you see a guy like Micah playing first…. you really get an appreciation for D. Lee… yea the guy hits into a lot of double plays… but he saves a lot of games at first that go under the radar.
"We’ve still got a long ways to go, I don’t like to get giggly over things in July. But the team’s playing well, they really are. They’re playing with confidence, and it shows."
by Cubster on
Sep 26, 2008 8:42 AM CDT
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How soon we forget....
2-3 in the Colorado game
4-8 in 2 games at Tampa
2-4 at Toronto
The guy’s hitting .387, give him SOME credit for having a pretty good season. Jeez.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Sep 26, 2008 8:44 AM CDT
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Great.
So that’s five good games. Big whoop.
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by Al on
Sep 26, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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And weren't all those starts?
If he’s starting a playoff game, I may find a ledge now and put my reservation in.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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As I had to repeat about 12 times last night...
…..I’m not advocating Micah starting and with the need of a PH in the playoffs, I see Ward getting the nod, but my complaint is all this “Ward is clutch and Hoff sucks”. That I disagree with. At least this season.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Sep 26, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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wasn't here last night. sorry.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 26, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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Ward's numbers are ancient history.
He hasn’t done anything lately. I insist, this series is about momentum. Play the hot hands or go home early.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 26, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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Ancient history?
Guess you forgot the game-winning homer in Florida in August.
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by Al on
Sep 26, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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It's September 26th. The guy isn't hitting past the pitcher's mound right now.
Let him hit this weekend and see if he regains his stroke. If he does, I’m all for him in the playoffs roster.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 26, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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I'm for him playing the next three.
I believe he’s on the roster and at bats the next three games will help him keep things going and probably improve.
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by N Oakley on
Sep 26, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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The bottom line, I think, is this:
Clutch situation, men on, need to score runs. I have far more faith, and feel far more comofortable with Ward up there. It’s not a surfire, nor is it the same as having Ramirez or Lee up, but it’s the best PH option we have.
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by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 26, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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I guess that as to Ward, I'm an agnostic right now.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 26, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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Let us know when you see the light.
;)
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by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 26, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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I'd argue that that's more than Ward this year
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by carmen_fanzone on
Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Hate to break up the party
But Ward hit .462 in inter-league play, which is nearly as relevant as Hoffpauir’s stats versus Tampa and Toronto.
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by Trey2317 on
Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Al said Micah had one good game....
…I was mentioning others. So thanks, but it had nothing to do with Ward.
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by carmen_fanzone on
Sep 26, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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It is...
…but the guy can hit and I don’t think there is any question about that. Looking at the smoothness of his swing, what he did in AAA and last night, tells me he can do some damage if given the chance.
Here is where the problem comes in (IMO). Micah appears to be a guy who thrives when he gets his share of AB’s and that is not going to happen if he is on the playoff roster. When you get that one chance to do something (as a pinch hitter), it takes a different type of focus, mentality and experience. I am not so certain that would be an environment he would thrive in. Being a successful pinch hitter, is one of the more difficult roles in all of baseball, and I would tend to go with experience on this one.
I have to admit though, his bat intrigues me and I would be real curious to see what he could do given extended playing time in the bigs. The chances of that being with the Cubs is minimal, but he may be a diamond in the rough as a DH in the AL.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 26, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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If you look at the full box score last night, beyond Pie 1-5 and Hoff 5-5, there’s also the matter of Pie SB (3) and Hoff E (2). Those two numbers could be magnified quite a bit in a playoff game.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Sep 26, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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Do we really need...
2 outfielders that plays D but cant hit? Keep Hoff on and Pie, leave Dome off roster.
by JPetey on
Sep 26, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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Dome has to be on the roster, IMO.
There are too many years invested in him to destroy his relationship with the City and team. Further, from what I’ve seen of the new Pie, he looks like he is currently hitting.
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by N Oakley on
Sep 26, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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True
Pie does seem different at the plate, and good point with Dome, but I’ve seen enough weak grounders to 2nd
by JPetey on
Sep 26, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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Dome's defense alone should keep him on the roster
Cubs win last night (or are at least tied) if Hill applies the tag correctly. The throw beat the runner by 4-5 steps.
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by Trey2317 on
Sep 26, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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Absolutely.
While his hitting has turned my hair grey, he’s without a doubt one of the best outfielders in the game.
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by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 26, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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Well said...
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by carmen_fanzone on
Sep 26, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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Torn?
Lets see: athletic OF who can play 3 positions & PR or a 1b?
what exactly is conflicting about that?
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 26, 2008 8:40 AM CDT
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I agree. Now let's say that you had a choice between Hoff and Howry on the roster?
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by zevkalman on
Sep 26, 2008 8:41 AM CDT
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Howry & Hoff?
Is death an option?
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 26, 2008 8:43 AM CDT
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+18
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by Emelie on
Sep 26, 2008 8:46 AM CDT
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Well, considering a Pinch Hitter is mainly needed for
his offense, I would probably rather go with the person who has the hottest bat.
by adam316 on
Sep 26, 2008 8:43 AM CDT
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I wasn't really talkign PH, i was just talking roster spot
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 26, 2008 8:44 AM CDT
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Let's go over this again.
Hoffpauir’s not a good pinch-hitter (seven K’s in 14 plate appearances). That would be his role on a postseason roster. I go with the guy with experience.
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by Al on
Sep 26, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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Go with Ward
he’s been a pinch-hitter most of his career. He knows how to prepare during the game to pinch hit, which Hoffpauir hasn’t learned yet.
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by Trey2317 on
Sep 26, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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Exactly.
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by Al on
Sep 26, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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C'mon. Ward hasn't been able to hit a ball past the pitcher's mound this week.
by Fraggin Judge on
Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Doesn't matter...
…there is an element of clutch with Ward (when the game is on the line). He is just as adapt to put one on Sheffield in a key playoff spot.
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by MPH73 on
Sep 26, 2008 9:05 AM CDT
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Plus, Ward is okay with taking a walk.
which, at times can be just as clutch.
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by Blue W on
Sep 26, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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Ask opposing managers who they'd rather see in on deck circle
Hoffpaur or Ward. I bet I know the answer.
by gocubsgo22 on
Sep 26, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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bingo
a K in a pinch-hit situation can be deadly. K’ing 50% of the time as a PH is not acceptable on a playoff roster. Man on third, one-out, top-nine playoff game and you need a sac fly, I still trust the (poor numbers) Ward over Hoff about 4 times as much
by philadelphiacub on
Sep 26, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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+11 wins.
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 26, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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That is what makes me wonder why people see him as a DH
… course, I’m an NL girl, the DH makes no sense to me anyway.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 26, 2008 9:00 AM CDT
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i would go with ward and pie
hands down
however i just don’t understand the amount of animosity people seem to have for hoff….from the comments i read on here people love to rub it in when hoff fails and when he does well it’s still “glass is half empty”
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by cubswynn on
Sep 26, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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Well, I'm not anti-hoff persay
but i’m not very into the experiment. If he contributes, I’m not gonna whine and the career minor leaguer who comes up and thrives is a great story…
but i’d rather end the century thing then get into Hoff’s story.
Maybe thats just me.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 26, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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i mean you necessarily
i was late coming into the convo and didn’t know where to throw that in…..i have just never understood why people seem to rejoice the fact that they were “right” when hoff does poorly
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by cubswynn on
Sep 26, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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*i DIDN'T mean you necessarily
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on
Sep 26, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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I thought thats what you'd meant
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on
Sep 26, 2008 10:58 AM CDT
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+1
…besides, next week isn’t exactly when you want to start experimenting.
by sniffy the bee on
Sep 26, 2008 3:17 PM CDT
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Agree on Pie.
Hoff had a great night last night, but he’s had many more bad swings, especially off the bench. And even if Pie can’t hit off the bench, at least he brings something to the table with his defense and speed.
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by tville on Sep 26, 2008 8:21 AM CDT 0 recs
Suplus outfield defense and speed is supplied by Reed Johnson and Kosuke on the bench...
Felix Pie won’t make the cut. It will be Micah Hoffpauier. Unless Lou Piniella surprises and leaves Daryl Ward off the roster which I guess is within the realm of possibility.
by MDBNIU on
Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Why would you want Hoffpauir and Ward?
That’s essentially the same person.
I’d rather trade one of those in for an extra defender late in games.
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by Trey2317 on
Sep 26, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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Exactly. Pitching is king, but speed kills.
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by N Oakley on
Sep 26, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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Precisely.
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by tville on
Sep 26, 2008 9:22 AM CDT
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If Pie is on the roster...
…he immediately becomes your best base stealing threat (by a mile). Besides Johnson, the majority of the the Cubs (with speed) don’t have the greatest base running instincts. This element becomes key in tight low scoring playoff games.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 26, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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Don't cloud BlueMike's judgement w/ facts
He hates Pie. Nothing will change that.
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