Off-Season trades
I know it's a bit premature, but I'm sure I am not the only one tired of debating who will be the 25th man on the post-season roster, or how we should set up our rotation. I was stumbling around the web, and found a list of the possible free-agents this season, and who would be eligible for free agency after the 09' season.
I think one area the Cubs will address, after they hammer out what they want to do with Wood and Dempster would be finding some HR power. Our centerfield spot is also empty, and I would assume Pie would be the opening day centerfielder, barring a trade or a free-agent signing.
With the exception of the Red Sox and Angels, we are the only playoff team without a 30 HR guy... the phillies have 3, the mets, brewers, white sox, tampa, each have 2.
With Fukudome a big question mark next season, I would assume the Cubs will most likely sign 3 new position players in the off-season.
With the clubhouse in shambles in Seattle, do you think it's possible we can get Ichiro?
If Matt Holliday doesn't resign with the Rockies, I would suspect the Cubs would go after him.
Again, I know this is premature, but we have 5 days until the play offs, and this is quite fun.
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TOOOOOO EARLY.
My mind has 0% interest in this right now.
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by dtpollitt on Sep 26, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Let’s talk about this in November.
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by Al on Sep 26, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that said
I could see the Cubs going after Matt Holliday and moving Fukudome to CF or moving him to another team, (Yanks, Padres, Giants, LA) either way…Holliday is one of the best hitters in the game
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They won't bail on him after one year.
They spent enough to get him here.
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by Bricks and Ivy on Sep 26, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Dome needs another year, definitely.
His attitude at the plate, in large part, defined how the Cubs’ batters approached hitting this year, so he had a tremendous effect on the team. His numbers in the first half of the season, had they continued, would have made him the best right fielder we’ve had since the Hawk (I leave out a possibly performance enhanced right fielder). He’s a vacuum cleaner in the field (sucks up everything and puts it where it needs to be).
It’s his first year in MLB after nine years in Japan’s leagues. It’s his first year in a strange country. He and his wife had a baby during the season. I think he’s had a lot to adjust to.
No way he gets traded, and I think we won’t regret that.
IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!
by Cubfansince1957 on Sep 27, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never too early.
I’ve already been thinking about this. I’d love Holiday,but I’m not sure where you’d play him. I think Fukudome would be given the opportunity to win the job again in RF. Pis looks more confident now than a the beginning of the year and that may prove wwll going into 2009. In the end, I don’t much think there will be change in the starting 8. I couldn’t care less if the Cubs don’t have a 30 HR guy as long as the team wins. But, to that extent, Soriano is a 30 HR guy if he doesn’ t get hurt.
I think the pitching will be the interesting part. I expect Dempster to be resigned, at what cost will be determined on how he pitches in the palyoffs. Z, Lilly, Harden, and Marquis all seem to be poised to come back, but what of Marshall? What direction wil Jeff S. go, starter or stay in relief? Cubs could use some left hand bullpen help.
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by jerry morales rules on Sep 26, 2008 2:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Dempster will be resigned
he most likely will be looking at a long-term deal, and I think that’s a bad idea… he is having a career year, and if anyone expects a repeat of this, well I have a bridge to sell you. His BABIP is extremely extremely low… which is a stat based almost purely on luck… due to his low BABIP it drives down his WHIP… when it corrects itself, expect him to be his usual self. Z, Lilly, Harden and Marquis are definites, and unless we look internally for a pitcher, I could see us trying to get a quality free-agent, or possibly make some interesting trades.
by scarymonsters85 on Sep 26, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Dempster wants to stay...
… and the Cubs will sign him. He’ll give somewhat of a hometown discount to stay.
Four years, $48 million ought to do it.
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by Al on Sep 27, 2008 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too early
That said, the Cubs have the best O in the NL. That is not a weakness. And looking for power hitters (who also tend to be low on base, high K guys) would be regressing back to the poor offenses of the past
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 26, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Barry Bonds.
nuff said.
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by IowaCubs- on Sep 26, 2008 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
While I agree its too early to discuss this...
…I’ll say that it will probably be a HUGE topic of discussion this offseason if the Cubs fall short of winning a title.
I can already hear them now… “Hoffpauir should start in right! Fukudome should be traded/waived! Fontenot should start! Pie’s garbage!”
It’ll be fun to watch people bash Pie because he’s not proven himself over a period of time in the majors, and then in another thread suggest that Hoffpauir is ready to start in right.
Hopefully the Cubs just win it all and then I wont have to worry about next year. I’m a firm believer that if the Cubs win the title they should contract the team and go out on top. They can cancel the entire league if they’d like, just so long as the Cubs win a title this year. (of course I’m kidding)
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 26, 2008 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looky here...
… This is all I have to say until at least after the World Series is over. Re-sign Andre Dawson and let him have right field again.
If you want me to discuss off-season moves, then wait till the off-season. In fact, I don’t even know who is going to be a free agent… and like many, don’t care. lol. For right now, lets worry about what matters most. That’s the playoffs….
by TheHawkRules on Sep 26, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Only thing known for certain is that Felix Pie will be dumped in offseason
Other than that Al is right. Too early and inappropriate to be talking about right now.
by MDBNIU on Sep 26, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark The Tape!
Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.
by CaliCub on Sep 26, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont see why its inappropriate
Early yes, but theres nothing wrong or inappropriate about it…..i doubt fukudomes going anywhere with that contract anway, im sure Reed and Jimbo will be back if they want to.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Sep 26, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense.
Why keep the youngsters with potential?
I hear theres a great free agent capable of playing a ton of positions… I dont remember his name…
Macias? Jose Macias?
In all seriousness, why dump Pie? Why not let him fight for the position in the spring and see what the kid can offer?
(please dont respond, because we’ve all seen your thoughts on Pie and I dont expect a rational answer/response. Lets just assume you’ll respond with “Because he sucks” and be done with it. K? Thanks.)
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 27, 2008 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see...
Matt Holliday is not a FA this year, and it would take a king’s ransom to get him — the Cubs probably don’t have enough — for just one year. Besides, he’s a worse LF than Sori; which one do you play in RF?
Ichiro is a clubhouse cancer in Seattle; why would the Cubs want him? Besides, he has no power. (Actually he does, at least in BP; part of the “selfish” tag is because he uses a short swing so that he can get 200 hits and doesn’t try to drive the ball.) He also throws temper tantrums when asked to switch between RF and CF (Ichiro, meet DeRo; DeRo, meet Ichiro). If he won’t play CF, does that force you to put Dome there? Rumor has it that Ichiro doesn’t even talk much to Johjima; will he talk to Dome?
The only power-hitting CFs I can think of are Edmonds and Andruw, and I wouldn’t touch Andruw with a 10 foot pole. I think that RJ and Edmonds will both re-sign with the Cubs.
I think Pie is toast in Chicago if Lou is the manager next year.
I think that Hendry will re-sign both Demp and Woody unless the new owner does something stupid.
As long as Lou is the manager, Riot will be in the lineup. Therefore, if the Cubs do something stupid and sign Furcal or Cabrera, DeRo will be gone; otherwise, status quo in the middle.
Dome is untradeable; besides, he will be better next year so there is no point in selling low.
Barring injury, Hoffpauir will not be the Chicago Cubs’ starting 1B on Opening Day, though he might make the roster.
Now, back to the playoffs…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Sep 26, 2008 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
while it is true ichiro has no power
he’s still out slugging dome… he is a perennial gold glove centerfield, steals 40 bases a year, not an injury threat, and will bat .300 + every year… soriano doesn’t come across as being the greatest clubhouse guy either. Lou has coached Ichiro before, if we are willing to deal with theriot’s lack of power at a position where power is available, I see no reason to not add Ichiro to the team if he becomes available. Out of Reed Johnson and Jim Edmonds… I’d resign Johnson over Edmonds.
by scarymonsters85 on Sep 26, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you've sat in left..
…you know Soriano is a fun loving guy. He loves the fans, and based on what I’ve seen from him, it’d be hard to imagine him as a clubhouse cancer.
As for Ichiro… How dare he want to get 200 hits a year. What a jerk, I cant believe all he wants to do is get on base. All he’s doing is clogging the bases with those singles anyway. Why cant he hit homers, dude?
Sorry, my inner Dusty came out for a brief moment.
Ichiro is a great player, and those 200 hits a year will probably get him a few more all-star selections and serious consideration for the hall of fame if he can keep it up. He’s a great player, and to call a player selfish for wanting to get singles to get on base rather than try to slug is insane. A player who tries to go deep all the time is selfish. A player looking to pad his stats with extra base hits is selfish. A guy looking to get as many hits as possible while hitting at the top of the order is considered… an all-star leadoff hitter, im my opinion.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 27, 2008 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
…. I CAN see Pie being traded in the right deal. I think they have to re-sign Dempster as he’s a lock at home. I can also see another year of a center field platoon of Johnson/Edmonds, provided Edmonds doesn’t retire. Those two guys were more than adequate this year. Wood will be re-signed. Fukudome stays, unless they eat the contract. And if he unscrews his swing then why move him?
Basically, I just don’t envision anything major being done over the winter.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Sep 26, 2008 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I think Pie stays and Marquis is given his ticket out of Chicago. Something tells me the Cubs will explore the possibility of Shark and Hill fighting for the final rotation spot, with Shark going to the bullpen if he stumbles and Hill going to AAA if he stumbles. Either way, the Cubs will have a surplus of pitching if they resign Dempster (which I think they will do) and it’ll be interesting to see what happens to Marquis.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 27, 2008 2:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next Year Does NOT MATTER
NOT IMPORTANT
by rtraugs25 on Sep 26, 2008 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
actually, isn't that one of the reasons
why the cubs haven’t been that good in the last 30 years? Trading away all of their prospects for over-the-hill veterans to “win for today”? Next year does matter… does it matter as much as right now? not really… but with the playoff rosters all but set (as gaudin and hoffpauir played their way off of the roster tonight) I need something to talk about until Wednesday. The Cubs’ offseason moves are about as important as (reading the sidebar) who is going to buy the cubs, sports illustrated jinxes, a thread about world series tickets being printed up, a general consensus of what cub fans would ideally like to be called collectively… it’s cubs related isn’t it?
by scarymonsters85 on Sep 26, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While it's a longshot...
and probably not worth the money or risk, I think it’d be hilarious to have C.C. pitching for us against the Brewers next season.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Sep 26, 2008 10:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Fukudome gets another shot next year.
I doubt we’d pursue ichiro, not the power hitter we would seek.
I am all in favor of shopping D. Lee and letting the Micah Hoffpauir era begin…
by DudeVf11 on Sep 26, 2008 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
all depends what we could get for D. Lee
a quality short-stop, center fielder or pitcher would work for me.
by scarymonsters85 on Sep 26, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear that the Cubs have a solid SS....
…some guy named Theriot… Seems that he hit .300 or so and wasnt a big defensive liability… I think they’ll keep that guy…
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 27, 2008 2:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahaha, thank you!
I havent read such a funny joke since the time I finished my bomb-pop at a Peoria Chiefs game and took the time to read the joke printed on the popsicle stick between innings. Hahaha. Wow. Hoffpauir over Lee. What a good one!!
I honestly cant think of a single good reason to keep our gold glove, clubhouse leading, .292 hitting, team leader and first baseman. Why have a guy like that when we could have a butcher in the field like Ryan Howard or Prince Fielder, both of which would give us more power while decreasing the overall ability of the defense. Screw defense.
In all seriousness, Aramis Ramirez went from being an erratic fielder to a solid, sometimes gold glove calibur defender because of Derrek Lee’s ability at first base. While Lee isnt the best slugger in the NL, he gives the Cubs great defense and solid offensive production, and trading him to give some guy who has never played even half a season in the bigs… its a bad idea.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Sep 27, 2008 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparison point.
The White Sox signed Paul Konerko to a longterm extension after they won the WS, because there would have been a riot if they had let their popular, clubhouse leading, good hitting, team leading first baseman go.
I’m guessing they regret that signing now.
It’s not a completely fair comparison, and don’t get me wrong. I love D-Lee for everything he brings to the table. But he is 33 years old and isn’t going to be getting any better. If they can deal him and replace him with Mark Teixeira, who is a free agent and five years younger — why WOULDN’T you do that?
For now, let’s enjoy the ride THIS year.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 4:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derek Lee is a great guy. Sorry for upsetting you with my post.
I like Lee but, he’s been a great Cub but his time is likely done here if the Cubs are smart, but they probably are not, so next season we’ll watch a full year of the decline of D. lee at a hefty price and little trade value. It’s better to get rid of ageing player, whose skills are declining, a year too early rather than a year too late.
In terms of defense, 1B is littered with the worst defensive players on the roster, having Lee there is a good matchup in that regard but hardly worth the money.
Lee may have ONE good year left, so the Cubs should be wise and shop him with that expectation in the off-season. It’s good business and best for making this team better.
by DudeVf11 on Sep 27, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro...
…is not available and I’m baffled that some of you think that the Cubs can just go out and trade from him.
The Mariners have had an awful season but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they are open to trading Ichiro. On an individual level, he probably generates more revenue for his team than any other player in baseball. Considering that he’s under contract for several more years, why would the Mariners be willing to trade him and sacrifice all that money? Those revenues mean that the Mariners have more money to invest in player development or, if they choose, waste on the Richie Sexsons of the world. Why would they sacrifice that advantage?
I posted the same sentiments yesterday, in response to the Mariner-specific fanpost. I used this article to back up my claim that Ichiro generates a ton of revenue for the Mariners. The article’s a bit dated but I think that it illustrates my point. Frankly, if the Cubs really wanted Ichiro, the Mariners could probably come up with a trade package but it would be something horrendously unreasonable, such as Soto and Marmol…that sort of thing.
"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko
by LaddieRenfroe on Sep 27, 2008 4:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
or Fukudome
as part of a package. That way the M’s are still assured of a Gold-Glove caliber outfielder with a decent OBP. Plus their organization has a track record of acclimating Asian players to the ways and means of American baseball and society.
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by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
Fukudome and Ichiro might seem comparable in some ways, such as the RF defense that you note. However, my point was that Ichiro’s iconic status in Japan creates so much revenue for the Mariners that his trade value is far greater than what we would normally expect. While Fukudome is a well-respected player in Japan, his popularity there pales in comparison to Ichiro’s, so exchanging the two players means that the Mariners would sacrifice a ton of money.
Also, Ichiro’s in the first season of a $90m contract that runs through 2012 and which also includes a no-trade clause. Even though the Mariners stink, and will probably stink for a couple years, that doesn’t mean that they will be open to trading an iconic player whose presence alone gives them a huge source of revenue. Again, trading for Ichiro is simply not possible. I only used the Soto/Marmol example to show how unrealistic any trade scenario would be…
"Some people will look at a glass of water and say it's half-empty, while another guy will look at it and say it's half-full. A Cubs fan looks at the same glass and asks, "When's it gonna spill?" - Mike Royko
by LaddieRenfroe on Sep 27, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cf
im sure we,ll keep reed johnson.pie???still has,nt shown he can hit mlb pitching.
by NOMAR on Sep 27, 2008 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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