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i simply cannot comprehend what these big corporations are doing to us common fans who would really love to enjoy a cubs game on a saturday afternoon. It all started in the middle of this year when i would get excited to watch a game on ESPN only to find out after hours of waiting that i got to watch ESPN News with its numerous Brett Favre highlights. I absolutely love it. NOW after having tonights game blacked out due to the big wigs wanting more money, i cant stand it anymore. I looked forward to watching tomorrow's game but guess what? I get to watch the Royals and GIL MECHE pitch in the Metrodome. Awesome. Supposedly FOX picked up the Cubs game and were going to make it a "National" broadcast for tomorrow, but since I get KXLT out of Rochester, MN, i am S.O.L and not happy about it. Seriously, if anyone has any advice as to how i'm supposed to watch tomorrows game without driving two hours in order to get out of the KXLT coverage, i'd really appreciate it. If they had left it alone and not bought out the rights I wouldve been able to drive out to my sisters to catch it on Comcast, but nope. Sorry for the rant but this stuff is getting ridiculous!

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First of all, Fox broadcasts aren’t “national” and aren’t promoted that way. Everyone knows that when there’s more than one game scheduled by Fox, it’ll be telecast “regionally”.

Here’s the link that shows Fox games by market, although as of the time I’m posting this, it hasn’t been updated from last week.

Sorry that you live in a market that won’t be carrying the Cubs game, but the idea that Fox games are “national” is just plain wrong.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2008 4:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al,

I understand both of your points. No, they are not “national” broadcasts, but since Fox blacks out everything else between 3 and 6 p.m., the frustration for those that can’t get the games is the real issue here. Since I bought MLB.TV for September, my biggest frustration is the Saturday 2:55 games that are not carried by my local Fox station (like today’s).

Bottem line (and I think you have echoed this sentiment), I paid for the game, and it isn’t available for me on TV – why not give it to me? I’ve made similar arguments about putting the secondary games on FX, or another Fox channel (heck, they control the programming on 16 channels). Fox would get more viewers, and pre-empt, what, today it looks like “Date Movie” is on FX at that time… I’m sure upwards of 11 people would be upset if that got dumped for Cubs/Brewers.

Moose

Hubbs!

by moose97 on Sep 27, 2008 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you.

These SHOULD be made available through MLB.TV — especially since the point is to make you watch the local commercials on your local Fox affiliate. Technology exists to put these commercials on your computer by zip code. Why they won’t do this is beyond me.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2008 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah the issue isn't....

Whether or not Fox has national programming for MLB, it’s that people outside of Chicago get royally screwed by the MLB. I was in the EXACT same boat last night. I sat down on my couch, ready to watch the Cubs on ESPN……what happens?! ESPNews….it’s very frustrating and maybe you don’t appreciate how bad it really is, since you live in Chicago.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do sympathize with those of you outside of Chicago...

… and as you know, I have REPEATEDLY on this site promoted my idea, which is that if you are willing to pay to watch any specific game, you should be able to, regardless of zip code.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all about money and the fans don't count that much.

What you propose is a huge task, Al. There are too many Fox affilliates out there, each with different local commercials. Anyway, Fox wants us to physically tune our TVs to their affilliates. Computer watching doesn’t count for ratings, and that is the sole determinant of the price of advertisements on TV. In other words, there is a monetary value to exclusivity and we the fans are, as usual, screwed up by it.

This is an old business model. The novelty of a “game of the week” is gone in the satellite era. All they are doing is gaining the enemity of baseball fans. In the next baseball contract, they should do what they do on Sunday aternoons. TBS broadcasts a game nationally for those without EI or MLB.TV to enjoy but they don’t black out any game going on at the same time. And on Sunday nights, there is usually no other game on, thus exclusivity doesn’t hurt.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 27, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would make more sense.

What would also make sense is to not black out OTHER games going on BEFORE the Fox exclusive time period on EI, as they do now.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just got an email from mlb.com

here is the text:

WATCH all remaining 2008 regular season out-of-market game LIVE or on demand
Watch any tie-breaker games on Monday or Tuesday LIVE or on demand
Enter your U.S. ZIP code here to find out which Club(s)’ home television territory applies

Choice of Home and Away Streams
PC and Mac Compatible

by smallmouthstud on Sep 27, 2008 7:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The small print on that page...

… when you go to the link, says “blackouts apply”. I got the same email. Fox games are blacked out on MLB.TV.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

False advertisement. Saturday afternoon games are not included. See the fine print.

What’s ludicrous is that they charge you the same price as they charge international viewers who do not have those games blacked out. Why should you pay the same price to watch fewer games?

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 27, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saturday's game...

may still be on WGN. It was originally scheduled for WGN then FOX picked it up last week and moved the time.

If I remember correctly, they did this last year with the final Saturday game against the Reds and it was on both WGN & FOX.

BELIEVE!

by cubbie08 on Sep 27, 2008 7:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not this time.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to this article, the Cubs/Brewers and Yanks/Red Sox (?!?!?!) are going to the bulk of the country today, with “local” markets getting Twins/Royals…

Moose

Hubbs!

by moose97 on Sep 27, 2008 8:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, it shouldn't surprise anyone

but, you would think Fox would want to put compelling games (i.e. those with play-off implications) on today, right? I mean, they had to know that today’s Sox/Yanks affair would end up essentially a Paw-Sox/Scranton Yanks game (even on Tuesday when the decision was made)…

Moose

Hubbs!

by moose97 on Sep 27, 2008 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it's the YANKEES (!) and the RED SOX (!!)...

the greatest rivalry in the history of the universe!!! Blech.

The front page of MLB.com is touting some ‘2008 OctoberQuest’ thing… promising live looks at all games with playoff implications from up until 7:30pm Eastern. It may be just whip-around coverage of several games, but it’s better than nothing, I suppose.

by hokie316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet if the Cubs' opponent in the NLDS is the Dodgers:

Someone in the Fox broadcast is going to promote the game as one between two former managers of the NY Yankees.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 27, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fun with Blackouts!

The big problem is that MLB hasn’t revised their blackout rules and areas to keep up with the growth of subscription TV service or, more recently, teh interwebs. Since (almost) all the Cubs games are available on either WGN or Comcast, ESPN, Fox, and TBS have to blackout those games in the Cubs viewing area (so as not to compete against the ‘local’ broadcaster). And the areas are freaking huge. Here in Iowa, we’re considered local for the Twins, Brewers, Cubs, White Sox, Cardinals, and Royals. Over the entire state. Which means lots of people in DSM get to shell out extra to a satellite company to get CSN, which isn’t available through the cable provider here in town for some totally retarded reason.

Earlier this year, MLB’s president (didn’t know we had one of those, did you?) Bob DuPuy said that he was proposing changes for next season. No real detail of what the changes are, and no indication of whether the shadow government executive council will approve them. Long story short, don’t hold your breath.

Oddly, the only radio blackout is for the broadcast of the World Series. The series is covered by a national network (currently ESPN Radio), and the advertising proceeds go to a charity. This dates back to the 1930’s, if I remember right. Local stations (WGN 720, for example) can broadcast the series using their broadcasters, but their networks can’t (so KRNT here in DSM won’t get Pat and Ron, and the series will wind up being on a competing station that happens to be the ESPN affiliate). However, internet streaming of ANY baseball game would compete against MLB’s pay service and thus all games are blacked out on the local station’s internet feed, if they have one.

If I sound a little bitter about this topic, it’s because I am.

Standings: -EEEEE
Me: "EEEEE!"

by znohitter on Sep 27, 2008 8:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Regarding internet streaming

of radio feeds, that is a pretty standard practice though. I work in radio, and our SportsRadio station can’t stream anything that we get (ESPN Radio, our local sports network from Minneapolis from KFAN-AM, the Twins, the Wild, the Vikings, the Timberwolves, our CNN News at the top of the hour, etc.) because they either do it themselves on their own web-site, or it is offered as a pay service on a web-site somewhere.

Why would my station be allowed to stream (presumably for free) the Twins games, when MLB is making money off that service? No one would pay for MLB Gameday Audio if they allowed that.

Moose

Hubbs!

by moose97 on Sep 27, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Further discussion -

in Minneapolis, KSTP is the Twins Flagship, but if they went to the World Series, they would have the ESPN feed on KFAN as well, since they have the ESPN Game of the Week package.

Locally (Bemidji, MN), my competition has the contract for Bemidji State hockey. If they were to ever advance to the Frozen Four (not very likely, but it could happen), KKBJ (the competition) would have the local guys broadcasting the game, and KBUN (us) would have the national feed from CBS/Westwood One, since we’ve broadcast the Frozen Four every year since it’s been offered.

In the NFL, it’s a similar deal – once teams reach the Conference Final – NFC or AFC Championship Game, the local affiliates are no longer allowed to cary the flagship’s feed, and must cary the CBS-Westwood One signal through the Super Bowl.

This is hardly an MLB exclusive problem you speak of in regards to the radio side…

Moose

Hubbs!

by moose97 on Sep 27, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Internet Radio

is a whole other can of worms. Between blackout rules and roylaty issues, I can’t figure out how anybody managed to get streaming radio off the ground legally.

Standings: -EEEEE
Me: "EEEEE!"

by znohitter on Sep 27, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Break Up The MLB/TV Network Monopoly!

Would revoking the Anti-Trust Exemption allow for watching and listening to any game you wanted to on weekends?

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably not.

The league and teams would still have total control over media contracts. No other sports league has an exemption, but the NHL’s blackout rules are pretty much identical to MLB’s, so I doubt anything would change there.

Standings: -EEEEE
Me: "EEEEE!"

by znohitter on Sep 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm....

this is how Fox has done Saturdays since at least 2000-2001 when they signed their huge TV deal with MLB.

It got ridiculous a long, long time ago.

by MillsChC on Sep 27, 2008 2:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just curious...

… as to how many of you out there wound up with the Cub game when the NYY/BOS game was rained out.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 27, 2008 8:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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