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Cubs Beat Themselves, 5-1 (Oh Yeah, The Brewers Were There Too)

Raise your hand if you still want Micah Hoffpauir on the postseason roster.

No hands? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Oh, and raise your hand if you think the Cubs should let Henry Blanco go and give Koyie Hill the backup catcher slot in 2009.

Thought so about that, too.

The Cubs gave the backups some playing time last night, partly for playoff consideration and partly because, unfortunately, Geovany Soto had to leave the game after re-hurting (I didn't want to say "injuring", because it isn't really an injury) his hand during an at-bat in the sixth inning, and the result was another loss, 5-1 to the Brewers. The Cubs will need to win both of their remaining games to match the 1945 team's total of 98, which is the most wins any Cub team has had since 1935.

This, combined with the Mets' 6-1 loss to the Marlins, gave Milwaukee a one-game lead in the wild card race. If they win it -- and it's possible they could today (although the Cubs will have something to say about that) -- the Cubs' first-round opponent will be the Dodgers. But there are still two days left in the season and -- as the old mantra goes -- stranger things have happened.

About the misplays that cost the Cubs the game: Hoffpauir made a truly bad baserunning blunder in the fifth inning, with the game still tied. After a single sending Mike Fontenot to third with two out -- and Fontenot had zero chance to score, and Mike Quade wisely held him -- Hoffpauir inexplicably decided to stretch his single to a double; he had about as much chance to do that as I would have, and he was gunned down easily to end the inning. Soto was the next hitter, which would have given the Cubs an excellent chance to break the tie -- and maybe that would have avoided the play in the next inning where Geo swung and re-aggravated his hand owie. What else do you call this? It's not really an injury, because he can play, but it occasionally gets bad enough to have him sit. He'll sit today, and play Sunday. Henry Blanco should be starting today -- he could use the playing time, too.

Koyie Hill finished off Geo's at-bat by striking out, and then let Brewers pitcher Seth McClung (who, incidentally, had one of the better relief outings by anyone this year -- four one-hit, six-strikeout innings) reach in the 7th on catcher's interference. CI -- as Len kept reminding us, that's the scorecard abbreviation -- is rare enough that it doesn't even have a separate stat line; the catcher gets charged with an error. So, when Chad Gaudin gave up a three-run homer to Rickie Weeks later in the inning, icing the victory for Milwaukee, one of the runs was unearned.

It appears that Gaudin has pitched himself off the playoff roster, especially now that Lou has committed to Bob Howry for the postseason bullpen. To which I say something that I often hear among our group in the bleachers, right now directed at Howry: "Please don't suck."

Jim Edmonds provided the Cub scoring with his 20th homer of the year, technically giving the Cubs six 20-homer men (only 19 of his homers have been with the Cubs, so I'd like to see him hit one more to make this "official"). Mark DeRosa, who hasn't played since tweaking his calf muscle on Wednesday, dumped the boot he's been wearing since then and wants to play on Sunday, just to get some timing back, and I think this is a good idea, especially since he'll be facing CC Sabathia, the quality of pitcher he'd be seeing in the postseason. The best news to come out of the loss was Ryan Dempster's performance -- he allowed four hits and a run in five innings, throwing 80 pitches, in a final pre-playoff outing.

Or not. If the Brewers win today and the Mets lose, Milwaukee wins the wild card and Sabathia would probably then not pitch Sunday. (Parenthetical good news: the Brewers' win eliminated the Astros from the wild-card race, meaning the Cubs will NOT have to go to Houston for the Hurricane Ike-postponed makeup game.) The Cubs will have something to say about this, of course. The races this year have been pretty wild. I think we've got a couple of days of craziness left.

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Hoff proved why he should be watching on TV.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 8:09 AM CDT   0 recs

Same for Hill.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 8:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And what incriminating photos..........

……….does Bob Howry have of Lou Piniella?!?!

Inquiring minds want to know.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 8:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ridiculous.....

There is so much that experience provides….how to manage oneself and one’s family/friends in a playoffs, how to prepare yourself and your teammates, how to approach the game and the game situation and then how to execute.

Most wins and losses are a result of the opposition’s mistakes, not a performance.

On the margins—-Hoffpauir is an interesting player like Fontenot or Cedeno but he is for next year. A part time player who has to learn that role.

Pie has been there already and has played that role already. Ward might not be hitting as he was before his injury but somehow he also is walking and has that one clutch HR…..

As for Howry….come on…..that was decided long ago.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Sep 27, 2008 9:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed on Howry.

And it was decided long ago.

When Howry didn’t pull out of his usual early season funk, continuing to suck right up until today, it should have been decided that he be dropped from the roster.

The LAST thing to be decided is that he be handed a key post-season role. He’s earned absolutely nothing based on his performance this year.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 9:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's just hope

He doesn’t see the mound in anything short of a 10-0 blowout. And even then, I’ll be chewing nails.

by AceCubbie on Sep 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Depending on the weather in NY...

the Mets may end up playing a doubleheader tomorrow, and the Brewers would have to use CC anyway. That should make the Phillies happy.

As far as the Cubs go… I hope the starters are ready to go 7 innings in the playoffs because lately there seems to be a black hole between when Dempster, Z, Harden or Lilly leaves a game and the Marmol-8th/Wood-9th finish. Gaudin, Samardzija, Cotts, Howry, Marshall… shudder. Maybe Marquis is the answer.

by hokie316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:18 AM CDT   0 recs

Sinatro deserves the blame.

Should Hoff’ be starting in RF? No. But Sinatro deserves a good chunk (if not all) of the blame for the baserunning error. Clearly, Lou agrees as he gave Matt an earful.

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 27, 2008 8:30 AM CDT   0 recs

he gave the same earful to Hoff

talk about a guy who likes to win!

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 8:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's good to see Lou holding everyone accountable and maintaining a playoff intensity

hopefully, it will help the at bats, too.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 9:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's rarely the first base coach's fault. Hoff went on his one

What is Sinatro supposed to do — tackle the runner?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 27, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

*on his own

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 27, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lasso him with his stopwatch

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bullpen what a time for this. Does anyone have

an answer? I don’t know about you but I am concerned. With the performances of Big Z and Harden’s propensity to pile up pitches. We need some middle relief. Someone needs to step up.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 8:32 AM CDT   0 recs

Samardzija pitched alright, in my opinion

Hart hit a decent pitch, though I would have liked to see Samardzija bury it in the dirt.

Plus, the way Dempster was throwing last night, he goes 7-8 innings in the playoffs, and Marmol follows in most cases.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 9:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sloppy!

I hate sloppy games and this was a terribly sloppy game as a “tune-up” for the playoffs:

— Catcher’s Interference
— Hoff’ and Soriano can’t catch flyballs.
— Balk
— I think Theriot missed a hit-and-run sign.
— Soriano, Lee, and Ramirez swinging at bad pitches going 1-12.
— Bad Bullpen

Very frustrating.

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 27, 2008 8:36 AM CDT   0 recs

Agreed.

If Theriot didn’t miss a sign, then Edmonds was foolishly trying to steal.

Won’t win many playoff games with that type of performance.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 8:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

relax...

these games don’t matter and it was just bad blunders

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 8:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

move away from the ledge my friends

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 8:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was calm during the Mets series.

….but I expected them to start cranking it up again for the Cubs/Brewers series. Last night was not a good start. I get the sense that they have the same letdown that they had after the all-star break.

Hopefully, they’ll get it cranked up again this afternoon and get tuned in.

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 27, 2008 8:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I understand these games "don't matter", but.............

…………..there’s really no reason for the sloppy play. These games should be seen as a “tune up” opportunity, an advantage the Cubs have over most of the other teams that are still fighting to get into the post-season.

In the end, there’s really no excuse for bad baseball. We’re 6 months removed from spring training, so such miscues should not be seen, meaningful games or otherwise.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 9:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Standings: -EEEEE
Me: "EEEEE!"

by znohitter on Sep 27, 2008 9:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Soriano

Almost 200 posts and the main post by Al, and GoFM is the only one even mentioning Soriano’s lackadaisical play. Coasting after bloopers, flat-out missing the ground-rule double, and head-up-the-wazoo at-bats, HE is the one I am most worried about going into next week.

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by Goat Whisperer on Sep 27, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point. When he's hot, he's hot. When he's cold, he's awful.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 27, 2008 10:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let him coast

Sori can coast all he wants during these games. Keeping him healthy is all I care about.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right

He cost Dempster a run

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 27, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

They need to tighten up their play. I don’t expect them to win these games with nothing on the line, but at least play smart. Sloppy play can create bad habits and you don’t want that going into the playoffs. The playoff atmosphere tends to make things tighter, but let’s clean this up now. The bullpen needs to get their act together. I hope Lou is done with Gaudin. Obiously he’s not 100% and I have seen enough.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 8:43 AM CDT   0 recs

think Guzman gets another look today?

Lou hates all his walks, but he’s getting desparate.

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 27, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would march him out there. He may catch lightning in a

bottle. Right now the pickings are pretty slim. If I were Lou, I would put Marquis in the bullpen now and get him an inning or two, he may be the 6th or 7th inning answer. That’s no worse that Cotts-Shark-Gaudin show we’ve been seeing.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 8:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

too little too late if you ask me

I think the playoff roster has been decided. Chad Gaudin will have all the time in the world to fall into dumpsters in October.

What an idiot.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 8:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You may be right. Let's hope for the best. We just

better hope the bullpen comes around. The better be ready by wednesday. As Sam Snead once said “I f you didn’t bring it with you, you won’t find it out there.”

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 8:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

TWSSS

That’s What Sam Snead Said!

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

clever calicub

"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 27, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Cubs might not need a 6th or 7th innning answer in the playoffs

Dempster can be counted on for 6 or 7. If not, that means the Cubs are already trailing, in most cases.

Lilly has been going 6 or 7. Zambrano (when not insane in the membrane) goes 6 or 7, as can Harden.

So, I think the Cubs can buy an inning or two with the Samardzija/Cotts/Marmol cast.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 9:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That poses the question...

Is Z crazy insane or insane crazy?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If we use the philsophers Cypress Hill,

he would be crazy insane.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I will be extremely pissed at Lou if Howry is the reason we lose in the playoffs

The whole damn fanbase knows that he has nothing left but Lou continues to send him out there!

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 8:45 AM CDT   0 recs

I agree

with that being said, there’s a reason why we are blogging and Lou is sitting in the dugout. At least that’s what I keep telling myself.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 8:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was watching the game at a bar

Is Howry officially on the playoff roster?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lou has publicly stated............

…………that Howry will be on the post-season roster.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 9:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hadn't heard that....thanks

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't reserve my place on the ledge just yet...

I think they’ll be fine. Lou is playing all the reserves and we’re seeing why they’re minor leaguers and reserves. These games mean nothing to us, and I was reading a article earlier where lou was quoted as saying why should we take care of someone else, but take care of our selves first. Paraphrased, but it’s important to say. Lou is valuing rest more then winning these games, and I would do the same thing. I’d be putting out all my Triple A lineup to tell you the truth, and only spot playing the regulars to give them some time. Who cares who wins or loses the wildcard. Mets win, we play them, and they’re play over the last month or so says sweep in the NLDS to me. Brewers win, it’s the Dodgers who had to take the entire season + an Arizona collapse to finish 10 games over .500 and win a division of nobody’s. the Dodgers aren’t scary either.

Bottom line is that when it comes time to start the playoffs, the Starters will be in, and they’ll be ready to go. All these little errors, gaffes, and stuff will go away.

by nmcubsfan on Sep 27, 2008 8:51 AM CDT   0 recs

You are right about the regulars, I'm not worried about them. It's the bullpen

that concerns me. The middle is pretty shaky.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 8:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My god you would think we lost the Series

It was one (meaningless) game. That’s right, I said it. These games are MEANINGLESS to the Cubs. I know we want to “win every one,” but the Cubs have done their job clinching home field advantage. Anything else is icing on the cake if you ask me.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nice sig line :-)

I agree it’s essentially ST in Sept at this point, but I think some of us (like myself) would like to see the Cubs use these last two games as a dress rehearsal for the playoffs – especially if the Brewers take the WC and we have to play Manny & Co. in Round One.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 8:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't care about these games, I care about the bullpen. They have been shaky for a while

now and we all know it. This isn’t a recent trend, it’s been going on a while. I’m concerned.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the majority

of us, I count myself, are a little anxious for the playoffs to start, and I would like to see “smart” baseball leading into the playoffs.
 I too am concerned about Shark, Howry and Cotts in the pen.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Sep 27, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm anxious tool.....

just trying to keep everyone calm. I don’t worry about Shark, he’s got the “it” factor.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

just like Gail Fischer

right, Bump Bailey?

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

She's got "it" allright!

Plenty of “it”.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Sep 27, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For real?

Was she an “it” girl then?

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Sep 27, 2008 11:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For real.

Rockford Guilford High School. Class of ’87.

She was a basketball/softball jock. She didn’t really hang with the “in crowd”. I don’t remember her dating anybody. She was in my chemistry class sophomore year. I think she went to U of I.

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 27, 2008 1:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think we'll all feel a little better

…if the Cubs win one today. It’s tough having seen all the excitement around MLB among teams that are clinching playoff spots. The good news is we already know what that feeling is like. Let’s go into October on a two-game roll. Then let’s win 11 more.

"What's the score?" "Nothing-nothing." "Who's winning?" "The Bears."

by ScottieG33 on Sep 27, 2008 8:53 AM CDT   0 recs

Sori really Cadillac'd it on a few catch-able fly balls last night...

…I hope that is just because the games don’t mean much….

That type of effort in the playoffs is totally unacceptable

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Sep 27, 2008 8:55 AM CDT   0 recs

+1 to the idea that the game doesn't mean much

Do you really want Sori (who is injury prone) to do anything but Cadillac balls? Sorry I know it’s about the integrity of the game, but I have bigger hopes for this team and I want our $136 million dollar man to be healthy for the post-season.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yup, I agree keep the hamstrings in place

…but I just hate watching half assed efforts like that.

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Sep 27, 2008 9:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hard To Tell About Sori

I can never tell the difference between his “defensive indifference” and his legitimately having physical discomfort. Hoping it’s the former – we need him healthy and rarin’ to go starting next Wednesday!

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Plus he takes horrific routes

I still love the guy though.

Playing the outfield is all about instincts and Sori simply doesn’t have them. Great outfielders can start making a break on a ball while the batter is still swinging the bat.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Marquis in Mid Relief This Weekend?

I’ve been wondering if Lou will ease him into a middle-relief role this weekend, to get him acclimated to coming in out of the bullpen (since this is undoubtedly how Lou will use him in the postseason).

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 8:56 AM CDT   0 recs

We're on the same page. I would do it if I were him.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a great idea

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I read somewhere that Zambrano could possibly pitch in relief sunday

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 9:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I read that too

However I read later that bc Z has been decided to be game 2 starter, he will not pitch this weekend.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow I think that's a bad idea.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Sep 27, 2008 9:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No, it's not.

That would give him a tuneup. But Lou has decided not to throw him.

Marquis is supposed to start tomorrow’s game. If Marquis doesn’t start, who does?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 27, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up