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Cubs Beat Themselves, 5-1 (Oh Yeah, The Brewers Were There Too)

Raise your hand if you still want Micah Hoffpauir on the postseason roster.

No hands? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Oh, and raise your hand if you think the Cubs should let Henry Blanco go and give Koyie Hill the backup catcher slot in 2009.

Thought so about that, too.

The Cubs gave the backups some playing time last night, partly for playoff consideration and partly because, unfortunately, Geovany Soto had to leave the game after re-hurting (I didn't want to say "injuring", because it isn't really an injury) his hand during an at-bat in the sixth inning, and the result was another loss, 5-1 to the Brewers. The Cubs will need to win both of their remaining games to match the 1945 team's total of 98, which is the most wins any Cub team has had since 1935.

This, combined with the Mets' 6-1 loss to the Marlins, gave Milwaukee a one-game lead in the wild card race. If they win it -- and it's possible they could today (although the Cubs will have something to say about that) -- the Cubs' first-round opponent will be the Dodgers. But there are still two days left in the season and -- as the old mantra goes -- stranger things have happened.

About the misplays that cost the Cubs the game: Hoffpauir made a truly bad baserunning blunder in the fifth inning, with the game still tied. After a single sending Mike Fontenot to third with two out -- and Fontenot had zero chance to score, and Mike Quade wisely held him -- Hoffpauir inexplicably decided to stretch his single to a double; he had about as much chance to do that as I would have, and he was gunned down easily to end the inning. Soto was the next hitter, which would have given the Cubs an excellent chance to break the tie -- and maybe that would have avoided the play in the next inning where Geo swung and re-aggravated his hand owie. What else do you call this? It's not really an injury, because he can play, but it occasionally gets bad enough to have him sit. He'll sit today, and play Sunday. Henry Blanco should be starting today -- he could use the playing time, too.

Koyie Hill finished off Geo's at-bat by striking out, and then let Brewers pitcher Seth McClung (who, incidentally, had one of the better relief outings by anyone this year -- four one-hit, six-strikeout innings) reach in the 7th on catcher's interference. CI -- as Len kept reminding us, that's the scorecard abbreviation -- is rare enough that it doesn't even have a separate stat line; the catcher gets charged with an error. So, when Chad Gaudin gave up a three-run homer to Rickie Weeks later in the inning, icing the victory for Milwaukee, one of the runs was unearned.

It appears that Gaudin has pitched himself off the playoff roster, especially now that Lou has committed to Bob Howry for the postseason bullpen. To which I say something that I often hear among our group in the bleachers, right now directed at Howry: "Please don't suck."

Jim Edmonds provided the Cub scoring with his 20th homer of the year, technically giving the Cubs six 20-homer men (only 19 of his homers have been with the Cubs, so I'd like to see him hit one more to make this "official"). Mark DeRosa, who hasn't played since tweaking his calf muscle on Wednesday, dumped the boot he's been wearing since then and wants to play on Sunday, just to get some timing back, and I think this is a good idea, especially since he'll be facing CC Sabathia, the quality of pitcher he'd be seeing in the postseason. The best news to come out of the loss was Ryan Dempster's performance -- he allowed four hits and a run in five innings, throwing 80 pitches, in a final pre-playoff outing.

Or not. If the Brewers win today and the Mets lose, Milwaukee wins the wild card and Sabathia would probably then not pitch Sunday. (Parenthetical good news: the Brewers' win eliminated the Astros from the wild-card race, meaning the Cubs will NOT have to go to Houston for the Hurricane Ike-postponed makeup game.) The Cubs will have something to say about this, of course. The races this year have been pretty wild. I think we've got a couple of days of craziness left.

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Hoff proved why he should be watching on TV.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 8:09 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same for Hill.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 8:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And what incriminating photos..........

……….does Bob Howry have of Lou Piniella?!?!

Inquiring minds want to know.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 8:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ridiculous.....

There is so much that experience provides….how to manage oneself and one’s family/friends in a playoffs, how to prepare yourself and your teammates, how to approach the game and the game situation and then how to execute.

Most wins and losses are a result of the opposition’s mistakes, not a performance.

On the margins—-Hoffpauir is an interesting player like Fontenot or Cedeno but he is for next year. A part time player who has to learn that role.

Pie has been there already and has played that role already. Ward might not be hitting as he was before his injury but somehow he also is walking and has that one clutch HR…..

As for Howry….come on…..that was decided long ago.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Sep 27, 2008 9:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed on Howry.

And it was decided long ago.

When Howry didn’t pull out of his usual early season funk, continuing to suck right up until today, it should have been decided that he be dropped from the roster.

The LAST thing to be decided is that he be handed a key post-season role. He’s earned absolutely nothing based on his performance this year.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 9:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's just hope

He doesn’t see the mound in anything short of a 10-0 blowout. And even then, I’ll be chewing nails.

by AceCubbie on Sep 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depending on the weather in NY...

the Mets may end up playing a doubleheader tomorrow, and the Brewers would have to use CC anyway. That should make the Phillies happy.

As far as the Cubs go… I hope the starters are ready to go 7 innings in the playoffs because lately there seems to be a black hole between when Dempster, Z, Harden or Lilly leaves a game and the Marmol-8th/Wood-9th finish. Gaudin, Samardzija, Cotts, Howry, Marshall… shudder. Maybe Marquis is the answer.

by hokie316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:18 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sinatro deserves the blame.

Should Hoff’ be starting in RF? No. But Sinatro deserves a good chunk (if not all) of the blame for the baserunning error. Clearly, Lou agrees as he gave Matt an earful.

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 27, 2008 8:30 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he gave the same earful to Hoff

talk about a guy who likes to win!

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 8:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's good to see Lou holding everyone accountable and maintaining a playoff intensity

hopefully, it will help the at bats, too.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 9:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's rarely the first base coach's fault. Hoff went on his one

What is Sinatro supposed to do — tackle the runner?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 27, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*on his own

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 27, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lasso him with his stopwatch

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bullpen what a time for this. Does anyone have

an answer? I don’t know about you but I am concerned. With the performances of Big Z and Harden’s propensity to pile up pitches. We need some middle relief. Someone needs to step up.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 8:32 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Samardzija pitched alright, in my opinion

Hart hit a decent pitch, though I would have liked to see Samardzija bury it in the dirt.

Plus, the way Dempster was throwing last night, he goes 7-8 innings in the playoffs, and Marmol follows in most cases.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 9:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sloppy!

I hate sloppy games and this was a terribly sloppy game as a “tune-up” for the playoffs:

— Catcher’s Interference
— Hoff’ and Soriano can’t catch flyballs.
— Balk
— I think Theriot missed a hit-and-run sign.
— Soriano, Lee, and Ramirez swinging at bad pitches going 1-12.
— Bad Bullpen

Very frustrating.

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 27, 2008 8:36 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

If Theriot didn’t miss a sign, then Edmonds was foolishly trying to steal.

Won’t win many playoff games with that type of performance.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 8:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

relax...

these games don’t matter and it was just bad blunders

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 8:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was calm during the Mets series.

….but I expected them to start cranking it up again for the Cubs/Brewers series. Last night was not a good start. I get the sense that they have the same letdown that they had after the all-star break.

Hopefully, they’ll get it cranked up again this afternoon and get tuned in.

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 27, 2008 8:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand these games "don't matter", but.............

…………..there’s really no reason for the sloppy play. These games should be seen as a “tune up” opportunity, an advantage the Cubs have over most of the other teams that are still fighting to get into the post-season.

In the end, there’s really no excuse for bad baseball. We’re 6 months removed from spring training, so such miscues should not be seen, meaningful games or otherwise.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 9:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Standings: -EEEEE
Me: "EEEEE!"

by znohitter on Sep 27, 2008 9:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Soriano

Almost 200 posts and the main post by Al, and GoFM is the only one even mentioning Soriano’s lackadaisical play. Coasting after bloopers, flat-out missing the ground-rule double, and head-up-the-wazoo at-bats, HE is the one I am most worried about going into next week.

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by Goat Whisperer on Sep 27, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point. When he's hot, he's hot. When he's cold, he's awful.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 27, 2008 10:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let him coast

Sori can coast all he wants during these games. Keeping him healthy is all I care about.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right

He cost Dempster a run

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 27, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

They need to tighten up their play. I don’t expect them to win these games with nothing on the line, but at least play smart. Sloppy play can create bad habits and you don’t want that going into the playoffs. The playoff atmosphere tends to make things tighter, but let’s clean this up now. The bullpen needs to get their act together. I hope Lou is done with Gaudin. Obiously he’s not 100% and I have seen enough.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 8:43 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

think Guzman gets another look today?

Lou hates all his walks, but he’s getting desparate.

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 27, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would march him out there. He may catch lightning in a

bottle. Right now the pickings are pretty slim. If I were Lou, I would put Marquis in the bullpen now and get him an inning or two, he may be the 6th or 7th inning answer. That’s no worse that Cotts-Shark-Gaudin show we’ve been seeing.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 8:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too little too late if you ask me

I think the playoff roster has been decided. Chad Gaudin will have all the time in the world to fall into dumpsters in October.

What an idiot.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 8:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You may be right. Let's hope for the best. We just

better hope the bullpen comes around. The better be ready by wednesday. As Sam Snead once said “I f you didn’t bring it with you, you won’t find it out there.”

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 8:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TWSSS

That’s What Sam Snead Said!

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

clever calicub

"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 27, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Cubs might not need a 6th or 7th innning answer in the playoffs

Dempster can be counted on for 6 or 7. If not, that means the Cubs are already trailing, in most cases.

Lilly has been going 6 or 7. Zambrano (when not insane in the membrane) goes 6 or 7, as can Harden.

So, I think the Cubs can buy an inning or two with the Samardzija/Cotts/Marmol cast.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 9:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That poses the question...

Is Z crazy insane or insane crazy?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we use the philsophers Cypress Hill,

he would be crazy insane.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will be extremely pissed at Lou if Howry is the reason we lose in the playoffs

The whole damn fanbase knows that he has nothing left but Lou continues to send him out there!

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 8:45 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

with that being said, there’s a reason why we are blogging and Lou is sitting in the dugout. At least that’s what I keep telling myself.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 8:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was watching the game at a bar

Is Howry officially on the playoff roster?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lou has publicly stated............

…………that Howry will be on the post-season roster.

"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." ~ George Burns

by tville on Sep 27, 2008 9:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't reserve my place on the ledge just yet...

I think they’ll be fine. Lou is playing all the reserves and we’re seeing why they’re minor leaguers and reserves. These games mean nothing to us, and I was reading a article earlier where lou was quoted as saying why should we take care of someone else, but take care of our selves first. Paraphrased, but it’s important to say. Lou is valuing rest more then winning these games, and I would do the same thing. I’d be putting out all my Triple A lineup to tell you the truth, and only spot playing the regulars to give them some time. Who cares who wins or loses the wildcard. Mets win, we play them, and they’re play over the last month or so says sweep in the NLDS to me. Brewers win, it’s the Dodgers who had to take the entire season + an Arizona collapse to finish 10 games over .500 and win a division of nobody’s. the Dodgers aren’t scary either.

Bottom line is that when it comes time to start the playoffs, the Starters will be in, and they’ll be ready to go. All these little errors, gaffes, and stuff will go away.

by nmcubsfan on Sep 27, 2008 8:51 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are right about the regulars, I'm not worried about them. It's the bullpen

that concerns me. The middle is pretty shaky.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 8:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My god you would think we lost the Series

It was one (meaningless) game. That’s right, I said it. These games are MEANINGLESS to the Cubs. I know we want to “win every one,” but the Cubs have done their job clinching home field advantage. Anything else is icing on the cake if you ask me.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice sig line :-)

I agree it’s essentially ST in Sept at this point, but I think some of us (like myself) would like to see the Cubs use these last two games as a dress rehearsal for the playoffs – especially if the Brewers take the WC and we have to play Manny & Co. in Round One.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 8:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't care about these games, I care about the bullpen. They have been shaky for a while

now and we all know it. This isn’t a recent trend, it’s been going on a while. I’m concerned.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the majority

of us, I count myself, are a little anxious for the playoffs to start, and I would like to see “smart” baseball leading into the playoffs.
 I too am concerned about Shark, Howry and Cotts in the pen.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Sep 27, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm anxious tool.....

just trying to keep everyone calm. I don’t worry about Shark, he’s got the “it” factor.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just like Gail Fischer

right, Bump Bailey?

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

She's got "it" allright!

Plenty of “it”.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Sep 27, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For real?

Was she an “it” girl then?

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Sep 27, 2008 11:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For real.

Rockford Guilford High School. Class of ’87.

She was a basketball/softball jock. She didn’t really hang with the “in crowd”. I don’t remember her dating anybody. She was in my chemistry class sophomore year. I think she went to U of I.

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 27, 2008 1:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we'll all feel a little better

…if the Cubs win one today. It’s tough having seen all the excitement around MLB among teams that are clinching playoff spots. The good news is we already know what that feeling is like. Let’s go into October on a two-game roll. Then let’s win 11 more.

"What's the score?" "Nothing-nothing." "Who's winning?" "The Bears."

by ScottieG33 on Sep 27, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sori really Cadillac'd it on a few catch-able fly balls last night...

…I hope that is just because the games don’t mean much….

That type of effort in the playoffs is totally unacceptable

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Sep 27, 2008 8:55 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1 to the idea that the game doesn't mean much

Do you really want Sori (who is injury prone) to do anything but Cadillac balls? Sorry I know it’s about the integrity of the game, but I have bigger hopes for this team and I want our $136 million dollar man to be healthy for the post-season.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup, I agree keep the hamstrings in place

…but I just hate watching half assed efforts like that.

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Sep 27, 2008 9:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hard To Tell About Sori

I can never tell the difference between his “defensive indifference” and his legitimately having physical discomfort. Hoping it’s the former – we need him healthy and rarin’ to go starting next Wednesday!

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Plus he takes horrific routes

I still love the guy though.

Playing the outfield is all about instincts and Sori simply doesn’t have them. Great outfielders can start making a break on a ball while the batter is still swinging the bat.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marquis in Mid Relief This Weekend?

I’ve been wondering if Lou will ease him into a middle-relief role this weekend, to get him acclimated to coming in out of the bullpen (since this is undoubtedly how Lou will use him in the postseason).

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 8:56 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're on the same page. I would do it if I were him.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 27, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a great idea

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read that too

However I read later that bc Z has been decided to be game 2 starter, he will not pitch this weekend.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow I think that's a bad idea.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Sep 27, 2008 9:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, it's not.

That would give him a tuneup. But Lou has decided not to throw him.

Marquis is supposed to start tomorrow’s game. If Marquis doesn’t start, who does?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 27, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Howry!

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is a bad idea now because Zambrano is going to pitch game 2.

It was a good idea when it was assumed he was going to pitch game 3 of the NLDS. Now there is not enough time, I think, between the last regular season game and game 3. I guess Lou thinks is better to have a totallly rested Zambrano than giving him a tune-up inning Sunday.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 27, 2008 11:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

some history could be made today or tomorrow

Gary Sheffield has 499 HRs

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm amazed though

NO ONE has even been covering this. I had no clue he was that close to 500, I was thinking he was around 580ish. He seems to have vanished from the face of the earth (which may be good for baseball).

2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?

by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 9:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe it's because of the whole steroids issue

and that Gary Sheffield has been hanging on this year – that and his personality causes people not to care.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

As a Tigers fan I was very leery of bringing him aboard after 2006. He had a great 1st half in 2007 but then his shoulder and his mouth started acting up.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would rather have

Barry Bonds on my team that Sheffield. The guy is truly a cancer to a ballclub. Have you heard his comments about paying back the Indians “outside” of baseball?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sheff Is WAY Too Paranoid

How he manages to keep his cap on while wearing a tinfoil hat is beyond me.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More and more I want the Mets to win the WC

so we can play them, and let the Dodgers/Phils beat each other up.

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by dtpollitt on Sep 27, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me Too DT

Chavez Ravine can be a hostile place for a visiting team and its fans.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry....

The Dodgers just don’t scare me at all. They won a division of nobody’s only because arizona collapsed. In fact it took a arizona loss to give them the division, because they couldn’t even close it out with a win. Not worried about playing there at all

by nmcubsfan on Sep 27, 2008 9:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dodgers:
  1. ERA in the National League.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Sep 27, 2008 9:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shoulda Said "Intimidating", Not "Hostile"

Granted it’s not like playing in front of 50K Phillies fans, but it’s a noisy place full of uncultured cretins that think sophomoric stuff like “Sorry-ano Sucks” is the height of wit. Oh yeah, and their pitching is top-shelf and Manny is playing out of his head.

Tell you what – give ManRam the Pujols IBB treatment and the Cubs’ chances will be even better.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and they finished 83-77, 48-33 at home. For a team with the best ERA in the league, they sure didn’t do anything with it. Manny is one guy, just like Bonds was one guy. SF had him for years, look what they did. Pitch to him if the bases are empty, walk him if there is anybody on. I’m not saying to take them for granted, but they’re not scary. ERA doesn’t do you any good if you can’t score on offense

by nmcubsfan on Sep 27, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh.

I reiteriate: the Dodgers are FIRST in NL ERA. They have allowed the fewest runs (ER or R) in all of the NL. You do not need to score as many runs when your team ERA is so low. And I’m less worried about playing them at Wrigley, but the Dodger home ERA is 3.01.

Not playing Dodger apologist here, but they need to be taken a bit more seriously than you’re giving them credit for. They won the worst division in baseball, granted, but their staff is fierce.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Sep 27, 2008 9:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But they were at or below .500 for most of the year. It wasn’t until Manny came to play for them that they started winning. Granted their ERA was the best fine. But when you can’t score more then 3 runs a game, that’s bad. They’re not to be overlooked for sure, but scary? Intimidating? Nope, don’t think so.

by nmcubsfan on Sep 27, 2008 9:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HFA Will Decide The NLDS

I could easily see it going the full five games, with the home team winning each game. Crossing my fingers that the Cubs can pull off a Game Three victory with Harden on the mound and sweep.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't care about what they WERE

because they have Manny NOW. You can underestimate the Dodgers, I won’t.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Sep 27, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t underestimate them, I just don’t fear them. And teams built around 1 player generally don’t do well. Ask the Cubs of the 90’s with Sammy or the SF teams with Barry how well that went.

by nmcubsfan on Sep 27, 2008 9:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sometimes, Good Enough To Steal a Pennant

2006 (Cards/Pujols) and 1973 (Mets/starting pitching) immediately come to mind.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would LOVE to beat the Dodgers down in the playoffs.

Bring ‘em on. Plus, last time I looked, Dodgers.com still hadn’t sold out NLDS tickets. ROAD TRIP!

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

P.S.

I just check Dodgers.com and they still have tickets on sale (what great fans!). I think it’s time you had a little reunion with Chavez, this payback is LONG overdue.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Their pitching is good

but some of that comes from playing in a pitcher’s park (check out the ERA splits), and some of it comes from playing the NL West, where the offenses aren’t very good.

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by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 10:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AGREE

Dodgers are playing well, There pen is solid, this team will be tough.

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by Grockcubs on Sep 27, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And apparently I'm confused...

…because the Latrine has a 3-year park factor over 100. Huh.

by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 10:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But still

the home-road ERA splits are alarming: home – 3.01, road – 4.45 (link)

Even with ERA failing to be a ‘be-all, end-all measure’ it’s still an indicator of how they have benefited at home

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by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just looked up some more reliable park factors...

…and they have Dodgers Stadium as a slight pitcher’s park. So I wasn’t as confused as I thought.

I think part of the problem is with how BB-Ref computes park factors – they do an odd “strength of schedule” adjustment to some of the components that I’m not doing justice to here. I don’t strictly like it, and this brings up a reason why.

by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also worth noting...

…is that the park factors for Dodgers Stadium favor left handed hitters.

by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I used to live in LA...and I recall that the ball carried differently

at night and in the day. Are those splits available also?

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by zevkalman on Sep 27, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on your definition of available.

I have full PBP data for 1956-2007, as well as a record of game starting time and the official scorer’s record of weather conditions during the game. So it’s not unknowable, but to compute that as seperate park factors would probably take me a day, maybe even a week.

by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, ok. Thanks. I meant "available" as in "readily available".

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 27, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn't there a big difference in day and night games too?

I thought someone on here mentioned it’s much more of a hitters park in the daytime. Which may be true of all parks; I have no idea.

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by Bump Bailey on Sep 27, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing's jumping out at me.

Looking at all games from 2001 on (that’s when they moved the CF fence in about 5 feet), here’s how players have hit at Dodgers Stadium:

Day: .253/.312/.404
Night: .250/.314/.393

Doesn’t prove anything, but it’s interesting to note.

by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 1:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The effects are much more drastic at Wrigley...

…although I only ran the figures since the bleacher expansion, so this could be a sampling issue:

Day: .260/.325/.431
Night: .251/.313/.383

by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 1:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was surprised by their park factors

I’ve always thought of Dodger Stadium as a pitcher’s park, so seeing those above 100 threw me for a loop.

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by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just To Clarify For Boneheads Like Me

Is Dodger Stadium a pitcher’s park (for the most part), as the common belief has been?

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by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 1:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is.

Baseball Reference is just using bad park factors. (Or really, they’re calling something that aren’t true park factors park factors.)

by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manny scares me

He’s…um…good.

"What's the score?" "Nothing-nothing." "Who's winning?" "The Bears."

by ScottieG33 on Sep 27, 2008 9:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manny is incredible

but he’s only one guy. The Met’s lineup is stacked.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dodgers Bullpen > Mets Bullpen

Mostly why I’d prefer the Mets winning the WC and the Cubs facing them in Round One instead of LA.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did You Get Tix?

Congrats and good luck fending off the idiots!

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No I didn't

I figured you would be there though. So I thought you’d be pulling for the Dodgers as the NLDS opponent. Last time I checked, they had plenty of tickets left on Dodgers.com and that was long after they went on sale.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Staying FAR Away From the Ravine

I have zero interest in dealing with the knuckle-draggers in the OF pavilions. Mentioned getting together to Daily2B to catch a game at a tavern between him and me. Carl is another one out here so maybe the three of us can work out the logistics.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah

If I was still out there and wasn’t going to the game, I’d be heading to the Sidewalk Cafe at Venice Beach. There is nothing like watching the Cubs, drinking a beer and feeling the breeze off the ocean. Wow that makes me really want to go back haha.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gimme A Holler When You're Out This Way Again

The missus loves the Cubs and baseball and is a primo cook!

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sold

I would love to get back out there, it has only been a year, but it feels like a lifetime since I left. But then I’d get back on the 405 and would remember why I left.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God Bless The Carpool Lane

and “carpool access allowed” stickers on your bumper. :-D

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never got one

bc in order to get one, I would have had to register in California and then pay for that stupid smog permit or whatever it was.

Plus with my Iowa License plates, I never had to pay a parking ticket. Not sure how that worked, but I didn’t argue.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing wrong with the 405

It gets you to where you need to go. Ugly, and crowded, but it works.

I like rapid transit better, but at least you can get to Laguna Beach or Solana Beach via the 405 :-)

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 27, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nothing wrong with the 405?

are you crazy?!?! I guess once you get that far south it’s not too bad, but I mainly used it from Playa del Rey to Santa Monica…..yikes!

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm...I've driven a lot in LA

Used to drive DAILY from the Silverlake/Glendale area to Irvine, or from Silverlake to Manhattan Beach. Not very enjoyable…but didn’t drive me crazy…

Anyway, I’m not a big fan of LA, although I do miss south Orange County and San Diego…

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 27, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Living In Hawthore, Working in the OC

Luckily the traffic isn’t too bad, and I can use the 405 carpool lane even though I’m the only one in the car. 45 min there and back.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem with Venice Beach is the clientele--

especially at night. I’d rather go to Dodger Stadium….

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 27, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Venice Beach = South Beach on LSD

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

But I love to people watch

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Their fans are awful to opposing fans. I had so much crap thrown on me for simply wearing Cubs gear.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Posers + the LCD = People Who Attend Dodger Games

They don’t know squat about other teams and the game in general – ask who’s leading the NL in HR and they’ll reflexively answer “Manny!”. Or ask who’s leading the AL Central and they’ll answer “Who gives a f***?” To say nothing of showing up in the 3rd inning and heading home in the 7th.

Not that I have a problem with them, you understand…. :-p

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh it's frustrating just thinking about it

I swear people truly go there to “be seen,” get free door prizes, do the wave, and/or smack a beach ball around.

The sad part is I really like the stadium itself, just not the people inside.

I’ll never forget I had these dudes behind me telling me to turn my hat around bc I was offending their gang. Then they told me “maybe that’s the way you do it in the Big Apple, but not here homes!” — that’s right, they thought Chicago was the Big Apple haha.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

June 1, 2005

Remember that game, when Derrek Lee was like the whole offense and the Cubs won in LA 9-5? I got so much crap yelled at me and thrown at me that I vowed to NEVER set foot in that place again. And it’s not like I brought it on myself – I just sat there and clapped when the Cubs did something good.

I agree that the stadium is terrific for 40+ years old and the Dodger Dogs and beer taste great. But the ushers don’t do jack when you’re getting bombarded by “moran” Dodger fans. It’s like the ushers think “You brought it on yourself by wearing the other team’s hat and jersey”. Even if you’re minding your own business!!

AAARRRGGGHHHH

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh my god I know!

I had a Dodger fan who some how got a video camera into the Stadium. Every time the Dodgers did something positive, he’d run down and put the camera in my face. I asked the LAPD to talk to the guy and he did nothing about it.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes there are a lot of a-holes at Chavez Ravine

And the security is truly awful. I have bleacher seats for a weekend game if it comes to the Dodgers and I don;t think I can take my 10 yr old daughter because of the jerks we’ll encounter.

"Hitter-ish is a good word,."- Lou Pinella

by tedinSoCal on Sep 27, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The issue with Dodgers fans is that they don't like baseball

I’d rather be in Busch stadium. Cards fans ARE better.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 27, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Elderly Lady Dodger Fans Are Cool

They KNOW the team and the history, and they’re respectful of the opposition. Plus their aim isn’t that good. LOL

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would think it'd be different for playoff games, wouldn't you?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 27, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still see them leaving in the 7th.

They’re afraid of traffic jams, which apparently are monumental to get out of Dodgers Stadium.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 27, 2008 11:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anybody heard the rumors for playoff game times?

I wish we knew when we were playing…

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Sep 27, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Believe this has been posted elsewhere, but..........

…………….it will give you some idea:

http://www.tbs.com/stories/story/0,,154864,00.html

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by tville on Sep 27, 2008 9:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Sep 27, 2008 9:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here is the schedule....assuming we are facing the Dodgers

…we would play at 5:30 or 6pm

http://www.tbs.com/stories/story/0,,154864,00.html

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Sep 27, 2008 9:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks.

And why do I dislike this schedule too, along with the regular season schedule? I feel like they can never get it right…

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Sep 27, 2008 9:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Al posted the link awhile back for the schedule

TBS has it and there are two day games, wednesday being the first. I"m going miss that as I’m flying back to the states for R&R leave.

by nmcubsfan on Sep 27, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it just me?

Beyond Wood, Marmol and the Shark, I really don’t trust anyone else in the pen.

by PhillyCub on Sep 27, 2008 9:17 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cubs Internal "HELP WANTED" ad on team bulletin board

Playoff bound NL Regular Season Champions seeking internal candidates for middle inning relief position. Applicant needs ability to throw strikes in crutical situations or force inning ending outs. Players who routinely throw balls need not apply. Opportunities to demonstrate skill and abilitiy will be given on Saturday 9/27 and Sunday 9/28 at Miller Park

Please feel free to answer the bull pen phone to apply.

Starters need not apply, your place is secure

Thank you
Jim, Lou & Larry

I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers

by parrotinct on Sep 27, 2008 9:44 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't get the screaming over Bob Howry

As much as Bob Howry has stunk, precisely WHO would you people want to take his place?!?! Chad Gaudin is hurt and/or awful and won’t make it. Michael Wuertz and Kevin Hart are their own brand of suck. Angel Guzman isn’t what you would call proven and may be at the end of how much the doctors want him to pitch.

It is Howry by default more than anything. Pray for the starters to pitch long because our middle relief is not good.

by MDBNIU on Sep 27, 2008 10:05 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you have any info to back this up?

That’s an honest question. I wouldn’t doubt it that it’s true, I just haven’t heard anything like that until you brought it up. Link?

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by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

giggles @ thought of blue mike providing a link.

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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 27, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

I don’t like to pile on him like everyone else. Plus I truly was interested if in a “Doctors Pull Plug on Guzman” story bc he hasn’t been used very often lately.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could be. He still hasn't thrown in back-to-back games all year, if I recall correctly

But, his arm has looked good in the first inning in which he pitches. He seems to wear down in a second inning.

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by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true true

Hopefully Angel can fill a crucial role in 2009, if not the rest of this year.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's thrown 3 times in the last 10 days, to complete the thought

which is actually an increase in his workload; he had 12 days between his second and third appearances.

Still, he’s the longest of long shots for the roster – just ahead of Gaudin – but I think he’ll be very valuable in 2009, if he can stay healthy.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really would too....plus I love power arms in the playoffs

If brown is the new black, than Howry is the new Ohman

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Key to our pen may be -- gulp -- Jason Marquis

To my understanding Jason Marquis has never pitched out of the bullpen in his MLB career. Can he come in to start an inning and chip in 1 and 2 quality innings at a time?!?

Jeff Spellcheck is inspiring less confidence these days, a combination of him probably tiring and the league figuring him out a little bit. Still obviously high on his future but right now I am concerned.

by MDBNIU on Sep 27, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Memories of Clement in Game 7 of the NLCS

Dusty didn’t bring him in to relieve Kerry because according to Baker “Clement can’t pitch out of the bullpen”. I chalked it up to the usual Dusty nonsense, because I at least like to think that Clement would’ve given it a game try if he was put out there. So here’s hoping Lou decides to use Marquis in relief and that Marquis is willing to do it. And that Marquis is good in relief.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, Marquis must be up for it for him to make the playoff roster

If he warms up a couple of inning in advance I don’t see why he couldn’t come in to start a clean inning. I doubt he will be able to go in back-to-back games…

Clearly in my mind the potential achille’s heel of this team is the bullpen in the playoffs. Lou can’t pitch Carlos Marmol every damned game and the others are going to have to step up. The loss of Chad Gaudin from the equation really hurts because prior to his injury he was gobbling up innings and doing a good job.

by MDBNIU on Sep 27, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marmol can go back to back days

and then have a day off between cities….now do I think he can be used EVERY game? No. Nor do I think the Cubs will need him EVERY game.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CaliCub (i think)

mentioned Lou should get Marquis some work out of the pen in the next two days. I really really really think that’s a good idea.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BTW, Ward didn't have a good at-bat yesterday.

Yet, Hoff hit pretty well. Yeah, he’s not a major-league ballplayer, but at this point it’s clear that he can hit MLB pitches…I don’t know…

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 27, 2008 10:10 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here comes the Hoff haters

I think he’d make a nice DH for somebody. He clearly doesn’t have a spot on the 2009 team, I hope Hendry can get a couple decent prospects out of him during the Winter.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe Billy Beane would be interested.

The Big Hurt is about done, so they could be in the market for a DH.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Sep 27, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They might hang on to Cust and keep him around as a DH

When he puts the ball into play, he’s on of the top hitters in baseball

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 10:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of Billy Beane

He made an AWESOME deal trading away Swisher for Ryan Sweeney. He’s an alumnus of my high school and the kid is gonna be special. Plus Swisher is smoke and mirrors.

P.S. Not to brag but that’s the same high school that produced Kurt Warner and Zach Johnson and Me….all we produce is winners!

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Sep 27, 2008 10:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are they feeding you guys out there in Iowa?

goodness. I saw Sweeney come through Indianapolis 2-3 years when he was with Charlotte, and he always had the tools – glad to see he’s gotten a chance.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My high school produced Mike Tomzak and John Jurkovic..(Jurko)

Oh well, at least I’m a winner! :)

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Sep 27, 2008 11:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mine produced

Alan Ameche, among others.

Not sure how many of these went to the same high school, but for a small city, it’s not a bad list.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 27, 2008 12:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nick Van Exel on the list.

He was fun to watch.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Sep 27, 2008 12:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hoff doesn't hit enough to be a DH.

He’s got a AAAA player’s skill set – he’s not a bad hitter, but he’s not special enough to play at 1B/DH in the majors on a contending team. And he’s not able to play major league level defense at any other positon.

by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 10:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Plus, he doesn’t have the experience needed to be a major league pinch hitter.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 27, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree, Daryle looked overpowered last night by McClung.

That said, I’m still in the Ward camp. I think if you’re looking a ‘pinch-hitter’ strictly speaking, Ward fits better than Hoffpauir.

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by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

EVERYONE looked overpowered by McClung last night.

He threw great — a very impressive outing.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 27, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was impressive.

Those 4 innings may have been the best of his career. You just wonder where that has been for most of his career.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mets game starts in like 90 minutes.....

anyone know the current weather?

"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 27, 2008 10:42 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wouldn't hold your breath.

70% chance of rain today. Looks like quite a bit of stuff moving in from the south. Tomorrow looks a bit better.

Standings: -EEEEE
Me: "EEEEE!"

by znohitter on Sep 27, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Answer to Al's questions:

(1) I’m still open about Hoffpauir, as compared to Ward. The latter looked even worse last night as a PH. Oh, as shown clearly on ESPN last night, blame Sinatro for Hoffpauir’s mistake going to 2nd base. Sinatro admitted to Lou he sent him (and didn’t stop him) and got an earful from the manager.

(2) I agree that Hill is no good. He added an interference to his inept play this week.

To other posters: Don’t worry about Soriano. He simply was conservative on the field last night because he doesn’t want to risk an injury.

Samarzdija pitched well despite the result.

Gaudin excluded himself from the playoff roster. His pitches are flat; they’re batting practice pitches.

Best news of the night and an accomplishment for the Cubs: There is no need to play in Houston Monday because the Brewers’ win eliminated the Houston Whiners. Hurray! Others might play on Monday; not the Cubs.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 27, 2008 10:53 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See my comment above.

Ward looked bad last night, yes. EVERYONE looked bad vs. McClung.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 27, 2008 11:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because Ward is experienced as a pinch-hitter.

Hoffpauir struck out in half of his PH at-bats this year, and walked ONCE in 15 PA.

Ward walked 15 times as a PH this season.

Now tell me again who you’d rather have.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 27, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thank you. I agree.

Hoff needs experience as a PH. Hits as a starter simply won’t truly translate as a PH.

by cubsnlinux on Sep 27, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Quote From "Butch Cassidy"

I have vision, and the rest of the world wears bifocals.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 11:11 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"The Hudsucker Proxy" Was A Fun One

Not a consensus for “best ever Coen Bros movie” and not one of Newman’s greatest roles, but it’s still on my short list.

Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.

by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

For “Hudsucker Proxy” and “Cool Hand Luke”.

"Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball." - Jacque Barzun

by Bump Bailey on Sep 27, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't believe

Newman was 42 years old when that movie came out. He looked much younger. Plus I loved him reprising his Fast Eddie Felsen role (from The Hustler) in “The Color of Money.” I believe he won the Oscar for that. RIP Paul…

"They played the best all year, so they're the winners." ~Tony LaRussa on the 2008 Cubs

by Goodie1969 on Sep 27, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just saw that he died on CNN. My kids saw it but didn't know who Paul Newman is.

OTOH, if you ask them about Hannah Montana or Zak Efron, they could tell you their biographies!

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Sep 27, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With Santana throwing today for the Mets

He conceivably can go in a Game 1 of a NLDS on 3-days rest. More probable would be him throwing Game 2 on regular rest, which would free him up to go in a possible Game 5.

Sabbathia, if he throws tomorrow (and I hope the Cubs force the Brewers hand today), could throw a Game 2 on 3-days rest and could throw Game 5 on regular rest (for the first time in 3-4 starts).

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Raises hand.

Off course I want Hoffpauir on the playoff roster.

by Gator Cub on Sep 28, 2008 6:33 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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