25 Man for October
by careyrd on Sep 27, 2008 1:34 PM CDT
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PrintAlright, with Lou announcing the rotation I started mapping out several 25 man rosters. I think the one that makes the most sense with Lou's inclusion of Howry (which I do not agree with) would be as follows:
IF
1. Soto
2. Blanco
3. Lee
4. Fontenot
5. Cedeno
6. Theriot
7. Ramirez
OF
8. Soriano
9. Edmonds
10. Johnson
11. Derosa
12. Fukudome
P
13. Dempster
14. Zambrano
15. Harden
16. Lilly
17. Marquis
18. Wood
19. Marmol
20. Samardzija
21. Cotts
22. Gaudin
23. Howry
Beyond the above listed players there are a few to choose between for the last two spots. I believe these two give the Cubs the best chance at success.
24. I think Pie deserves the nod because he can play great defense in all 3 spots of the OF as well as provide great speed on the basepath.
25. Ward for the plus of a pinch-hitter with more major league experience than Hoffpauir. That is not much of a reason but in talking this over with several fans I believe that most would agree with Ward over Micah.
This is a bummer because I think Marshall is a better choice than Howry but Lou already stated that Howry was on the 25 man for October.
Thoughts or changes?
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Gaudin wont be on the playoff roster while Marshall will IMO
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .291 29 HR 72 RBI
I concur
Marshall will be the second lefty in the pen, while Gaudin will be on the bench, watching and not eligible.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
IF dero
isnt on it I think hoffPower goes.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
Ward is a lock
No way Ward isn’t on the playoff roster barring injury.
I think theres an outside chance that Wuertz replaces Gaudin.
How can you leave Hoffpauir off?
I’d rather have him that Fukudome, Ward or Cedeno. Sure, Fukudome is better in right, but that’s it, and Dero isn’t that much worse there. I know this is blasphemy, but since D-Lee changed his name into GIDP, I’d almost rather have Hoff at 1st.
"There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all." -B. Dylan
Again...
… the role of someone who might take the spot of Hoffpauir would be to pinch-hit, nothing more. Hoffpauir can’t play the field — really, he’s not even good at 1B — and he’s not a good or experienced pinch-hitter.
He’ll be staying home in October.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I wonder
if hoffpauir being a bit of an unknown quantity would be a plus in this situation. I mean, “the book” on hoffpauir isn’t as long as it is for say, daryle ward. so its farfetched, but maybe the cubs gain a bit of an advantage because he’s been red hot all year and teams might not have a real good idea of how to pitch to him.
by circuitclout on Sep 28, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
doesn't matter to some people
they don’t like him and never will despite anything he does…..they rejoice in saying “i told you so” when he fails
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I disagree Al...
and I think the numbers bear it out. He may not be experienced as a pinch hitter, but you are wrong about him not being good. Hoffpauir’s bat compensates for his lesser fielding ability. If Howry pitches and Fuk starts & DLee continues his numerically solid but sadly un-clutch season trend & Hoff doesn’t even make the team, I’d be surprised to see the Cubs make the second round, despite all the amazing talent on that team. I beg & beseech Lou to put the Hoff on the roster.
"There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all." -B. Dylan
Explain how Hoffpauir's bat makes up for the fact...
… that he’s struck out in half his pinch-hitting at-bats?
In the postseason, he’s not going to be starting in meaningless tuneup games. He’s going to be getting one at-bat in a high-pressure situation.
I don’t put a rookie in that situation. Period.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
A good hitter is a good hitter...
and I don’t believe that means he has to be warmed up by playing the whole game at a position in order to be effective. I’m not swayed by your citing of split stats & I don’t believe that there is something qualitatively different about pinch hitting with 2 outs and the bases loaded, than coming up to bat with 2 down and the bases loaded. I’m no sabermetrician, just a guy who has played the game at a semi-professional level, so I should disclose that bias. That admitted, I’m not going to believe that experience will make a lesser player better in a clutch situation, or lack of experience make a good player worse. A good player prepares and is ready to go when called, be that in the course of a game or in a pinch. Furthermore, although Hoff’s a rookie, he’s 28 years old, and this isn’t his first time on a baseball field.
Quite simply, I do put a rookie in that situation. Period.
"There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all." -B. Dylan
Hoffpauir is off for sure, but what about....
….Choosing between Fukudome and Pie? Crazy right? But consider this: both play all outfield positions (although Fuku obviously prefers right and Pie prefers center), both are inconsistent hitters, and both have good defense. Pie is faster though and could also be used as a pinch runner, where as Fukudome has good speed but is about as fast as Theriot, if not slower. IMO I’d rather have Fukudome, considering that’s he’s been on the team all season and has playoff/high pressure experience (although it was in Japan), but I thought it was just an idea that was worth mentioning.
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
No way is Fukudome left off and no way does Hoffpauir make it over Pie.
Those would be bonehead moves and Lou understands that Pie is necessary for running the basepaths. Wood20K, no way is Hoff more valuable than any of the players you listed.
Cedeno's been error prone lately
and there’s no way you’ll convince me that his bat is better that HoffPower’s. Hoff is a marginally better fielder than Ward at both positions, and I don’t buy that adage about experience trumping numbers.
"There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all." -B. Dylan
I wish with all my heart...
that history had not vindicated my opinion, but sadly it has. Offense was the bane of this postseason, and Hoff instead of Fukodome would have provided that. We needed a big lefty bat against all those righty Dodjerk pitchers.
"There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all." -B. Dylan
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