The Kids Are All Right (Well, Sort Of): Cubs 7, Brewers 3
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 6:24 PM CDT
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For six innings, it looked like Ted Lilly was going to put himself in the record books. As it was, in the last 13 innings he has thrown at Miller Park, he has allowed three hits and two runs to two different teams.
Since Lilly, like all the starters since the division clinching, is on a pitch limit (and won't go until a week from tomorrow, if that game 4 in the NLDS is even necessary), he was yanked, to warm applause from the Cubs fans in the Miller Park crowd.
The rest of the game was ... um, rather shaky. You can't really blame Jason Marquis or Neal Cotts; in fact, Marquis might have saved the game by hitting Ryan Braun with a pitch (no, I don't think it was intentional) -- Braun came into this game 4-for-11 with a double and a homer vs. Jason and the HBP, which caused Braun to slam his bat down in frustration, kind of stopped the comeback of the Brewers. Instead, Cotts came in to face Prince Fielder.
Let me interrupt this recap to say what an absolute slob Fielder is. While he was holding a Cub runner on first in the late innings, the TV camera showed him with his back pocket turned inside out and his jersey untucked. Yuck.
OK, back to the recap. Cotts did his job, getting Fielder to pop up -- but ONEDEC! turned back into Ronny Freakin' Cedeno, dropping the popup, allowing a run to score and forcing Lou, who gave a little smirk after the HBP, to call on Michael Wuertz to get out of the inning. And fortunately, Cedeno sort of redeemed himself with a single in the Cubs' three-run ninth, and it was real nice to see Kosuke Fukudome hit a homer, his tenth, and the Cubs beat the Brewers 7-3; combined with the Mets' 2-0 shutout of the Marlins behind Johan Santana and the Phillies' 4-3 win over the Nationals, the Phillies clinched the NL East and the one remaining race in the NL is Brewers/Mets for the wild card, now in a dead tie, both teams 89-72 with one game left, tomorrow.
Nice homer today too for Daryle Ward, his fourth, and he drove in 17 runs this year with only 22 hits. He also walked sixteen times and is this team's best pinch-hitter.
I'll make no secret of who I want to win it: the Mets. I think the Cubs match up much better with the Mets than with the Dodgers, who they'd play if the Brewers win the wild card. It would, I suppose, be beneficial to the Cubs if the race ended in a tie after tomorrow and the Mets and Brewers would have to meet in a tiebreaker game Monday at Shea Stadium; maybe both teams would run through their entire bullpens and have to shift around rotations and not be totally prepared for the beginning of the Division Series on Wednesday -- the game time of which, we still do not know, and may not know until all the matchups are finalized.
That three extra days' wait will be good for the Cubs, because Mark DeRosa won't play tomorrow and wouldn't have been ready if the playoffs had started today. By next Wednesday, a week after he strained his calf, hopefully it'll be healed enough to play. That link also says that Geovany Soto would have played had today been a playoff game, so I'd expect to see him play tomorrow as a tuneup.
Let me take this opportunity to extol the virtues of Henry Blanco, the best backup catcher in the game. By making an out in what is likely to be his final regular season at bat, his average dropped below .300 -- but at .297, he hit 70 points over his lifetime average (.227) and had by far his best offensive season, having just turned 37 years old. Even if the Cubs have to pay him $3 million to return next year, it's worth it. Would you rather have Koyie Hill or Wellington Castillo backing up Geo next year?
I thought not.
You are, once again, witness to history. The Cubs' 97th win this afternoon makes this the winningest Cub team since the 1945 team won 98, and this group can match that today. It's the ninth-most wins in the 133 years of franchise history.
All that resets to zero on Wednesday, and the important number is eleven. Eleven more wins in October, to victory and redemption.
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FIRST!
Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.
by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Must be the Cali thing!
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 27, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah baby! Good win today! KOSUKE!
2008 NL Central Champs!
by TyCubsfan on Sep 27, 2008 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NIce win BUT
No Cubs fan can say they are comfortable with our bullpen going into the playoffs, as far as I can see its going to be crucial for the starters to go as deep into games as possible, of course if Lou tries that and it doesn’t work out he is going to be heavily critisized.
Also to anyone who STILL thinks Cedeno would be a better everyday option for this team please explain that to me again?
Wuertz might take over Gaudin’s spot in the bullpen but I don’t think that means Lou would use him in the 7th or anything.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing to be done about the 'pen now.
They were real good and have been slumping lately for sure. But there’s nothing to be done, so its not something I will worry about.
Cedeno had a good spell, and still looks decent at the plate. But his throws are ridiculously erratic.
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 27, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I'm pretty comfortable
Samardzija, Marmol, Wood are 3 power arms who can cover innings. And with the starting pitching on this team, asking for them to go 6-7 innings isn’t out of the ordinary.
Plus, Cotts has looked better against lefties – he got Delgado at least once in the Mets series, and Fielder today. Nevermind the fact that Marshall is in the pen, too, and I think he’ll be fine.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Samardzija?
Are you even sure Samardzija is going to be on the playoff roster? His WHIP in September is well over 3….pretty ugly stuff.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Lou said he was in today
3 of his last 4 outings have been fine after he struggled a bit in early September (just as the entire team did). And, had DeRosa fielded a ground ball, we’d be talking about 4 of 5 outings that were good.
I don’t think I’ve been in the Samardzija camp much this year, but from what I’ve watched, I think he’ll be alright. He has confidence and poise on the mound, and that can cover up some of his inexperience, too.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 27, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see Marmol and Wood pitch 1-2-3 innings each, though. Both threw only 12 pitches, 9 of them for strikes.
"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"
by cubs0505 on Sep 27, 2008 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whaddya mean you can't really blame Marquis?
1/3 of an inning, 2 hits , 2earned runs, 1 walk and 1 hit batter?
Dallas Green!
by SonnyJ9 on Sep 27, 2008 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The second run scored after he left the game.
Yeah, he didn’t pitch that well. But he could have gotten out of it with a little better defense. (The 2nd run should have been unearned.)
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok some I am a little worried
I know we have nothing to play for and the guys are playing and pitching like it, but it would be nice to see the bullpen shut down the opposition still. The bullpen was horrendous again. It’s making it look like the starters will have to pull an 05 White Sox and not even let the bullpen get a sniff. On the opposite side, I’m happy with the bench. All of my Brewers friends called/texted me saying I should thank Lou for putting out the B-squad. The B-squad has answered the call and make me somewhat comfortable (despite some of the defensive gaffes the last three days), but the bullpen needs to get better.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
by TkGoUWGB on Sep 27, 2008 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ive noticed from the beginning of the year
We have an awesome bench. Will serve us well not just in the NL playoffs, but provide a number of options for DHing if that opportunity comes.
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 27, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a great ninth inning.
The Brewers bullpen is ridiculous. Nice game from our lefties Ward and Kosuke and the Wonder Hampster (except for those bunts, but at least now we know he can’t bunt), bad one from Ronny,
I am rooting for the Met-Brewer one game playoff to be won by the Mets.
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 27, 2008 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What's a "strained calf"?
Is it like a charlie horse, or is it a muscle tear, or what?
Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.
by CaliCub on Sep 27, 2008 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Strain
Strain. A strain is a stretching or tearing of muscle or tendon. People commonly call strains “pulled” muscles. Hamstring and back injuries are among the most common strains.
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by californiachicagoan on Sep 27, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really worry about Cedeno
in the play-offs. It seemed to me that he called Reed Johnson off that fly ball. It looked to me like Johnson backed off of making a full out effort because Cedeno called for it and would not back off. I don’t know why a guy going backwards would make the play in that situation (when a throw to the plate would be needed).
I think Cedeno totally lacks basic baseball instincts. That is how I saw the play.
I’d go with one less infielder and put a versatile Pie on the play-off roster. However, with DeRo’s calf strain Lou may be forced to put Cedeno on the roster no matter what.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd really worry if we saw Cedeno IN a playoff game
Cedeno will be just a spare part on the playoff roster as he’s the backup shortstop. He’ll be used if Theriot gets injured or double switched out and for pinch running. Maybe pinch hitting in extra innings. He won’t make any playoff starts.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with your observation
that totally was not an infielder’s play. Cedeno might have some level of natural baseball skill but he doesn’t seem to have any baseball brains. I’ve never been a Pie fan (and still am not actually) but I would take him on a playoff roster over Cedeno now for sure. Cedeno just looks lost most of the time. In a way I feel sorry for him because he just seems out of place being out there with a team of major leaguers.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 27, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno a lock for the playoff roster
Cedeno is the only pure backup shortstop we have so Pie won’t replace him. DeRo can play there in a pinch and Fontenot in a worse pinch but Cedeno is our backup SS.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take pinch1 and pinch2 in a short series over Cedeno.
All those mistakes this month make me wonder where Cedeno’s head is at.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Food for thought...
Assume that Cedeño is left off the roster in favor of Pie, and assume that DeRo is healthy.
If “pinch1” happens (Riot injured), we have DeRo at SS and LBR at 2B — not exactly two Hoovers, but perfectly adequate. But…
If “pinch2” happens (Riot still injured and DeRo injured), we would have LBR at SS (shuddering at the thought), and… Sori at 2B (having played there less than 9 innings in the last 3 years).
NO THANK YOU. Leave Ronny on the roster and Sori in LF.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Sep 27, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Food for thought...
Assume that Cedeño is left off the roster in favor of Pie, and assume that DeRo is healthy.
If “pinch1” happens (Riot injured), we have DeRo at SS and LBR at 2B — not exactly two Hoovers, but perfectly adequate. But…
If “pinch2” happens (Riot still injured and DeRo injured), we would have LBR at SS (shuddering at the thought), and… Sori at 2B (having played there less than 9 innings in the last 3 years).
NO THANK YOU. Leave Ronny on the roster and Sori in LF.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Sep 27, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How are we any worse off with either of those guys at short instead of Cedeno?
I tried to keep the jury out on Cedeno as long as I could this year but I don’t see him as a competent backup anything at this point.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 27, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo/Fontenot
I think Lou would get killed to go into a series with DeRo who has played 2 games at short as a member of the Cubs and Fontenot who has played 4 games in the majors in his career.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I remember right, Cedeno has made three major bad fielding plays this month.
But who is counting (I am only counting the fielding, not the unforgivable sliding into first!)
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just hit me...
Cedeno is Shawon Dunston without the arm or the power.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 27, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or the speed
onedec is adequately quick, but not as fast as dunston
by tim815 on Sep 27, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or the brains
yes, that’s on purpose
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not an infielder's play
Agree, but there were extenuating circumstances. Johnson and Pie were playing on the warning track, basically, with Fielder up.
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Sep 28, 2008 4:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta admit...
… I packed it in for the day after Marquis gave up the knocks in the 8th. I just couldn’t watch anymore. Glad they pulled it out.
In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this? -Oysterband
by Ross on Sep 27, 2008 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs have huge incentive to win tomorrow
and push Mets into playoffs. Their rotation will be a mess.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Sep 27, 2008 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my big hope is both teams lose tomorrow and have to play-off on Monday
Yes, I hope Mutts win on Monday.
I just hope we pound a tired CC tomorrow. Isn’t this his third straight start on 3 days rest?
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty approves
Dusty approves of CC being ‘gutsy’. Whats worse 3 days rest and starts of 5 or 6 innings or 120 pitch games? Either way CC has been rode hard with the Brewers.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suds riding arms so hard just to get in
that they will have nothing left even if they make it. I guess that is where we are lucky in that Lou has been able to manage the back end of the pen better over the last two weeks and cut the innings for our starters. All we are finding out is that some of our middle-relievers are worn down.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
worn down or lack of talent?
I think they are just getting exposed for not being good pitchers.
Gaudin apparantley hasn’t recovered from whatever injury issue he had.
Howry had a good May and a bad everything else.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great news from the prison!
Sux losing 6-1.
Nothing better than hearing Hawk cry.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man oh man they are really blowing it
Wonder if Ozzie quits after this one? I just want to see MORE baseball after Sunday though so I’m hoping tomorrow they pick up that half game and have to play the Tigers.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I so like hearing booing at the Prison.
it fits with that classless organization.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing about the White Sox
I think if Ozzie was trying to motivate Vazquez by publicly calling him out as ‘not a big game pitcher’ it backfired pretty miserably.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To that I say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .291 29 HR 72 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I'm not Sox fan
but… its not like no one’s ever boo’d at Wrigley
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 27, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just meant the booing meant they were losing
and I like that.
The Sux have no class. Two different points
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't get it I guess
Almost every Cubs fan talks about not caring about the Sox and then turns it around and calls them the Sux and all that.
Not that it really matters. It just seems like wasted energy to me.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 27, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's the MO here...
… loudly claim that you don’t give a damn about the Sox and then post hundreds of times about them. You’d think that if a person didn’t really give a damn about the Sox they’d demonstrate that by rarely posting about them. So often here it’s just the opposite.
Then when they get called on it, attack the person who’s had the chutzpah to expose them.
by DrCrawdad on Sep 29, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best part about winning today...
is that CC has to go tomorrow. Even if the Brewers win, they are going to be a worn out team, with one exhausted ace, and another ace having lost it (probably due to injury).
IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!
by Cubfansince1957 on Sep 27, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CC had to go tomorrow
as soon as the Mets won today. Even if the Brewers had won today, they could not have clinched.
by ChipSet on Sep 27, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The most interesting thing about CC going tomorrow
is the question of IF they get to a game 163, who’s gonna pitch on Monday?
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 27, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gallardo?
[……..]
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Sep 28, 2008 4:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But do you risk your best young pitcher coming off an injury and his first outing in several months?
Its an interesting quandary for the Crew.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to say
All the talk about which opponents would be the most favorable match up for the Cubs strikes me as silly. Success will go to whichever team gets hot at the right time. All the playoff teams, including the Cubs, have had both hot and cold streaks at various times during the season. Any of them is capable of getting hot—or cold—during a short series.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Sep 27, 2008 7:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there a reason
Guzman is starting tommorow according to mlb.com?
News anyone?
THE WAVE
to remind us how fans of other teams can win games, despite not caring about whats going on at all. -Rudey
DAMN YOU BASEBALL GODS..
by Rudey on Sep 27, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Yahoo listed Marshall. Maybe Lou resting Marshall for the playoffs?
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Lou is trying to motivate the Mutts
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z is starting tomorrow
Check Yahoo news. Lou says 2 plus inning “tune up”. Very interesting. How many of us would like Lilly to start
game two?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 27, 2008 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting is right.
We’ll see who takes the mound. Cubs.com still says Guzman. I’d imagine both of them will see some time.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Guzman
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Sep 28, 2008 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree Al, about Fielder
he is an absolute hog, and what is it with the Brewers when they win a game they all yank there jerseys out, yeah that is really cool. Anyways..
I think all the teams the Cubs will face will be tough, the Phils will be the toughest out.
Cedeno just kills me, even though it would of been a tough play, that is a play a MAJOR league SS makes, Theriot makes that play.
The Cubs bench is great, and Fontenot deserves plenty of playing time in the playoffs.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Sep 27, 2008 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bench has been playing good as a 'B' team
But we are missing right handed power hitter off the bench. Its hurt us a few times this year hopefully RJ can come up with some big hits in the playoffs.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we see Fontenot at SS tomorrow
it may tell us that Cedeno is off the play-off roster (possibly). Of course that only happens if DeRo is healthy, which I think he is not (yet).
I guess I am dreaming…
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
that when the Brewers win they should yank their boxer shorts up over their waistbands and put their hats on backwards. That way they could look more like these guys:
by sniffy the bee on Sep 27, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont even want Cedeno on this team
Let alone the playoff roster
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .291 29 HR 72 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 7:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone know Cedeno's contract status?
Would be nice to see an upgade at utility infield out there, actually offensively Cedeno has held his own, but his baserunning and defense haven’t been very good at all.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arb-eligible.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Sep 27, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arb-eligible.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Sep 27, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7 - 1 Cleveland at the Prision
Top 6th
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 7:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Before the full 10-minute hate starts, lemme throw a little question out there.
Can any of you name five backup shortstops in MLB that are distinctly better than Ronny Cedeno?
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 7:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll be sporting and give you...
…the full list of shortstops in MLB for this year.
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say Alex Cora is better
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my "off the cuff" stab...
(Note: I’m not looking at pure stats, just naming guys who have a steady SS glove and will usually give good ABs.)
John McDonald
Omar Infante
Mark Loretta
Ramon Vasquez
Clint Barmes
Omar Quintanilla
Marco Scutaro
Alfredo Amezega
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Sep 27, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ill try my hand at this too:
Bruntlett
Scutaro
Loretta
Hairston Jr.
Zorbrist
I believe are all better then Cedeno
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would take
Zorbrist, Barmes, and Harriston JR., other than that I would take Ronny. I still think the Cubs hold onto him, who knows with him and others could get a solid piece. But for now he is what he is, a backup SS/2B
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Sep 27, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't get the Jerry Hairston love here.
Outside of what looks to me like a fluke year in Cincy right now, he’s been utter trash the past… decade, basically. Why the interest?
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
What he’s going to get out of this year is a large contract from someone who doesn’t understand that at age 32, Jerry’s never going to be any better than this and, likely, will get a lot worse.
Fortunately, the Cubs appear to be smarter than that now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see...
Mark DeRosa was a journeyman utility infielder who had been non-tendered by the Braves following a torn ACL. The Rangers signed him, he spent two years working under Rudy Jaramillo, then had a “career year” at age 31. The Cubs were stupid enough to give him a three year contract despite what all of the experts said. Was that a good move?
Jerry Hairston was a journeyman utility infielder who was dumped by the Cubs on the Rangers. He spent a year and a half working under Rudy Jaramillo, and is now having a “career year” at age 32. Some team might be stupid enough to give him a three year contract despite what the experts say. Will it be a good move?
I’m not saying that I think Jerry Hairston is as good as DeRo (you can’t really compare them, because Hairston is a speed guy and DeRo is a power guy), or that he will outdo his “career year” in the future as DeRo has done, but the one thing these two cases have in common is Rudy Jaramillo. Who knows if Randy Bush (or someone similar from another team) has scouted him 25 times this year and thinks he made a permanent improvement.
Only time will tell…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Sep 27, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least one
Because Bruntlett drove in a couple of runs against them at Citizens Bank park in April
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
...let's put this another way.
Let’s say the GM of one of those teams calls up and offers you one of them in trade. What are you offering back? (And if he’s offering you a backup shortstop, he’s probably not interested in trading for Cedeno.)
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My list
Jed Lowrie? does he count?
Juan Uribe is probably slightly better
Omar Infante
Mark Loretta
Brendan Ryan is a player I like
Jerry Hairston by a mile
Nomar? LOL
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We tried the Hairston experiement once before
We did get the mighty Phil Nevin for him!!!
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hairson has improvied
Hairston has improved since we had him, no one can deny that.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can deny that.
I can strongly deny that.
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
having a good year
Hairston is having a good 2008…no? He may not have permanantly improved but he’s having a good 2008.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's how I look at it.
Just because we call it a “career year” or whatnot doesn’t mean that they magically wait until the next season to revert back to their true talent level. What we’re interested in is not necessarily what a player has done, but what we expect him to do going forward.
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Harben just got released
But we’ve still got Fontenot (who came to the Cubs with Hairston in the Sosa trade).
My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Sep 28, 2008 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now this is just off the top of my head
But
Lets see here. I wouldnt give up much for a Bruntlett or a Loretta maybe a Michael Wertz or a Double A prospect
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't give up much for a backup infielder.
Well, of course you wouldn’t. We’re talking about a guy that gets about 200 at-bats a season. But doesn’t that kind of argue the point?
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But putting me on the spot and asking the question
I came up with a scenario.
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not trying to back you into a corner or make an arguement.
I’m trying to illuminate the value of a backup infielder. There isn’t much. If Ronny Cedeno were much better than Ronny Cedeno, he’d be a starting shortstop – if not for us, than somewhere else.
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree the Cedeno-bashing is a little much
He hasn’t been hitting any worse than Theriot the past couple months. Now, Cedeno’s baseball IQ is awful but as a backup we could be doing a lot worse and have (neifi perez, tony womack, cesar itzuris, jose macias, rey ordonez, and everyone’s favorite augie ojeda).
Seriously, stop sweating Cedeno. He is not going be the reason this team does or doesn’t win the World Series. And of course it doesn’t always matter what shape a team enters the playoffs in, but at a minimum Santana – if they start him game 1 – will be on three days rest (again) and the chance to have dempster face pedro or whatever tool they throw out there for game 1 is a VERY favorable matchup for us.
The Dodgers don’t have a Johan, but like the Cubs they have a bunch of solid starters, some of who have given us fits this year.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Sep 27, 2008 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno could cost us
A guy like that is so mistake prone that wouldn’t be surprised to see him make some kind of really stupid base-running or defenseive play to cost us a game, but yes he’s not going to cost us an entire series or anything, no player can do that, well ok maybe Wood if he’s really really off.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I stated above, Cedeno has made three major fielding blunders this month.
I have seen enough. I’ll take Pie’s versatility and a thinner infield group, at least for the 5 game series.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie's versatility?
Yeah, because not being able to play on the infield makes him more versatile. At least he’d make up for lack of left-handed outfi… waaaaaaaaait.
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who would you rather see pinch run late in a game?
Cedeno or Pie?
who would you rather see as a defensive (or double-switch) substitution?
Cedeno or Pie?
If the game goes to extra innings, I think Pie is the better spark plug.
I rest my case.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
You can give me 5,000 scenarios with 5,000 numbers that might suggest what Cedeno might and might not do. But I dont need to see those figures when my two eyes see Cedeno making crushing mis-plays and errors.
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Pie and Cedeno are competing for a roster spot
If anything its Pie vs Hoffpauer, no way Cedeno isn’t on the playoff roster. With Derosa iffy health wise as it is, if Theriot were to go down, having Fontenot as the shortstop wouldn’t be good. I’d rather have Cedeno at SS than the extremely inexperienced Fontenot.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with DeRo's calf you are sadly correct, I think. :-(
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if there's an injury
don’t we get to add someone who’s wasn’t on the roster?
by ChipSet on Sep 27, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once a playoff series starts, rosters are set, I believe.
You can only change players between playoff rounds.
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you can DL a guy in the PS
from the 25 man roster,
but then he has to miss the next series.
the whiners (?) did that with clemens.
very weak rule.
by tim815 on Sep 27, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is something I seriously doubt the Cubs would do...
…to Theriot or DeRosa unless there was no way they were playing for the rest of the playoffs.
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you rather see play shortstop in the case of an injury to Theriot?
Cedeno or Pie?
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well thats a silly argument too
Its Derosa vs Fontenot and honestly neither of them are shortstops.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If DeRosa's calf isn't okay and Fontenot is starting at short, then it certainly isn't.
You’re essentially arguing for this scenario as our only credible alternative should Theriot be injured, given DeRosa’s health status:
Fontenot at short
Soriano at second
Pie in center
Reedmonds in left
I don’t think that’s a very good idea at all.
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should read "Fontenot is starting at second."
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we agree
cwyers we agree that Cedeno should be and will be on the playoff roster. Theres no chance he’s not.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting development
after much gnashing of teeth throughout the season………
by Cajuncub on Sep 27, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7 - 2 Cleveland
Bottom 7th
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not crazy about Cedeno because
I fear he will pull an “Alex Gonzalez” at some point in the playoffs. But I don’t agree that what happened today was his fault. OUR OUTFIELDERS DON’T TAKE CHARGE. The outfielders should call off the infieder for EVERY ball they can get to. I thought the bright spot of todays game was the performance by Wuertz. He seemed to have his nasty slider back. It would be huge if he could slide into the 6th/7th inning slot.
by Rick B on Sep 27, 2008 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That ball was hit very shallow
and I doubt that Pie would have been able to make a play.
Cedeno shouldnt have tried to make a basket catch on that play.
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ball hit off Cedeno's glove
It was a makeable play whether the outfielders didn’t take charge or not. With Soriano out there most of the time chances are he gives even less of an effort to get the ball than Pie did.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it hit off his glove
I just dont like a high risk play like that in a critical in game situation…
Two hands easy catch 2 outs.
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if this game mattered, Reed would have gone all out for
Fielder’s pop up. But it was clear that Reed pulled off when he could not get Cedeno to back off. That is how I saw it play out. There is no doubt Reed could have gotten to that ball and he would have had the momentum to throw to the plate. BTW, with such a shallow fly, no one would have attempted to score if Reed catches that ball.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another play in the 9th
There was a play in the 9th where Kosuke made no effort at all to get a ball in the first row of the stands. I think the players have been told to not take any chances as far as injuries go.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the other issue. Why play Fielder on the warning track? If he hits it that far, the park won't hold it.
by Rick B on Sep 27, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
With the arms in the OF Though
At least Pie and Kouske they would cut off a dinker off the wall and hold Fatso to a single perhaps
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a request to stop calling Fatso, Fatso.
We can call him a slob but there were complaints about the term “fatso.”
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
okay, so No more calling Fatso, Fatso got it…. Slob is okay to call Fatso though?
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow I'm calling him "Slim"
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my name for CC
No fair….
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Slim and Slimmer
for CC and Fielder
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slim Shady
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 28, 2008 4:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fatboy Slim
Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.
by CaliCub on Sep 28, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just have a dislike for Ronny
Seeing too many mental errors on the basepaths, and in the field has really put my confidence in him at a low point.
I mean what if that play needed to be made, Seasons are lost on plays like that.
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
8 -2 Cleveland
Top 8th
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just want to see Monday baseball SOMEWHERE
Tomorrows probables
Kc (Duckworth) vs MIN (Baker)
CHW (Buehrle) vs CLE (Bullington)
although Cliff Lee was scratched tonight and might be avaiable for the Indians.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its going to be for the NL WildCard
Mets lose Brewers Lose.
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
me thinks u right
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats if the Mets play tomorrow
Bad weather on the East Coast
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
weather for Flushing, NY
Tomorrow: A few showers in the morning then thundershowers in the afternoon. High around 75F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers get to scoreboard watch
Could be a slight advantage for the Brewers tomorow, they will know the final of the Mets game if they need any extra motivation should the Mets lose or win.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think CC going on 3 days rest for the 3 straight time
Will catch up to him, especially since the Cubs seem to have his number this year.
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs A team or B team again tomorrow
Lou made any comments to that should be the A teams turn again maybe split the game in half between A and B. Looks like the pitching situation is going to be pieced together.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 -3 Cleveland
2 Outs Bottom 8th
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
8-4
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 27, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8-6
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 27, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redemption, Al?
Are we redeemed if the Cubs win the WS?
by CubFaninNY on Sep 27, 2008 8:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Cleveland
wow
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some clarification.
Also, Lou says he’ll play his regular lineup tomorrow against LHP.
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Z is OK
Yeah, they’re saying he’d rather "throw a bullpen session, but one never knows, does he?
by CubFaninNY on Sep 27, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this quote from that link.
“It’s not going to matter because, well, it is going to matter but it’s not going to matter,” Piniella said in his best imitation yet of Casey Stengel.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be the quintessential Piniella quote
if it had “Look” or “Listen” at the front.
Not that it isnt great as is, but really. Thats fantastic.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 27, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are the Sox that good or Cleveland that bad?
8 – 6 Tribe
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sox aren't a bad team
and Cleveland isn’t a good team.
by ChipSet on Sep 27, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone know?
If the White Sox do have to make up that game vs the Tigers when was the last time a game was made up like that?
I don’t remember any off hand.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
While not exactly the same thing
The Yankees and Pirates had an interleague make up game way way after Interleague play was over with.
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I asked this question on a SABR mailing list I subscribe to.
Here’s the answer:
In 1973, the Mets were 81-79, the Cardinals were 81-81, and the Pirates were 80-81. The Mets had two rainouts with the Cubs to be replayed at Wrigley Field, while the Pirates had a single game to make up with San Diego. Had the Mets lost both games and the Pirates won their game, there would have been a three-cornered tie for the NL East title. As it turned out, the Mets defeated the Cubs in the first game of the scheduled doubleheader to clinch the division, while the Pirates were losing to the Padres. The scheduled second game of the Wrigley Field DH, being no longer necessary, was cancelled.
Courtesy of Mike Emeigh of SABR.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
I wonder if they woulc cancel 2nd games of doubleheaders today?
I think now with just about every team drawing 30,000 fans a game instead of 10,000 that they would be more likely to play it just to make a little extra cash.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they probably would...
… if it were a straight DH rather than a split DH.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
straight doubleheaders
These are going the way of the dodo bird it seems. I don’t think teams schedule doubleheaders at all anymore, just use them for makeup games.
by jeff_pico on Sep 27, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There hasn't been a scheduled DH in several years.
And, most teams try to play split DH for makeup games if they can, to maximize revenue. Only when backed into a scheduling corner do teams play straight DH as makeups.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs fan my whole life, but really haven't started devoting myself to watching all the games since 2005
I remember I started studying the game then and became an avid fan. Over the past four years, I have witnessed things that cubs fans for GENERATIONS haven’t witnessed. Its funny too because since the start of the 05 season, the Cubs have a .500 record, excluding playoffs.
and as for the Wild Card, I want the Mets in too, but the Brewers wouldn’t make it past the first round anyway, IMO. They have lost Sheets for the playoffs (anyone who watched today’s game can see that he is done) and Sabathia is being completely overused.
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
327-319, actually...
…. since the beginning of 2005, excluding playoffs, including today.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh really? hmm...
must have made a SLIGHT miscalculation lol
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't miss by much.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny to, that I began truly watching the games that year
My granddad was from Chicago, and he was one of those rare both “Cubs and White Sox” fans. He told me he’d ditch school to see games sometime haha. Pity that he died that same year before the Sox won. He was born in I believe 32. Hard to believe that I have seen greater Chicago baseball than he ever saw, and I am nearly 60 years younger than he
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
9 -6 Cleveland
Boo Birds out at the Cell
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
10 -6 Tribe
The Hit Marry Go Round has started
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is one wacky game they're playing at the Cell tonight.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 27, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ladies and gentlemen, Scott Linebrink!
Where’s Dr. Crawdad when you actually WANT to talk to him?
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
30 million well spent
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
12 - 6 Cleveland
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Daggumit! This is going to be appealed!
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 27, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie's getting a workout tonight...
No need to run laps.
by CubFaninNY on Sep 27, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's my "off the cuff" stab...
(Note: I’m not looking at pure stats, just naming guys who have a steady SS glove and will usually give good ABs.)
John McDonald
Omar Infante
Mark Loretta
Ramon Vasquez
Clint Barmes
Omar Quintanilla
Marco Scutaro
Alfredo Amezega
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Sep 27, 2008 9:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al
Ozzie called he needs you in the bullpen
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 9:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Juan Uribe tried to hit that last pitch into Michigan
0 -2
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's Really Nice
… to be able to lean back and watch all of the Game 161 tension this weekend without a care in the world having clinched a week ago.
by 08Cubs on Sep 27, 2008 9:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
4 thousand tickets left at the Cell tomorrow
Hard to believe the lack of fan support for a team in contention. And they claim they’re the “real baseball fans”, unlike the beer-garden crowd at Wrigley?
Of course, in 2005, they would have 10,000 or more unsold seats in September.
by ChipSet on Sep 27, 2008 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
12- 6 Cleveland your Final
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HEY DR. CRAWDAD SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE WHITE SOX!
DON’T YOU THINK YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?!?!?
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is going to say?
They Suck?
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's sort of like that old squeeky doorway at your house.
The squeek drives you batty, you can’t stand it, and then… a little WD-40, and it’s fine. And that’s when you come home and are waiting for the squeek and when it doesn’t happen you feel out of place and a little discomforted.
Yeah, it’s sort of like that.
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought should be given to leaving Cedeno off the playoff roster....
Yeesh. I am at the stage with Cedeno where I can not watch him play. He just doesn’t get it. Too bad Hendry didn’t find a competent utility shortstop type.
by MDBNIU on Sep 27, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you even read the other comments first?
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't neet to type n/t when you have nothing to say there
n/t
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Sep 28, 2008 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
for people who have the comments collapsed rather than expanded (as I do), it’s a very nice way of showing that when you click on the post and there’s nothing there, it’s not a problem with your browser.
You nicely did it there. I wish more people would. Sorry.
by Josh77 on Sep 28, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
White Sox fans crying
“Dont worry, the Cubs are going to be like the 2007 Rockies, get crushed by whatever team wins the AL title, IF the Cubs make it that far.”
" Twins, White Sox, Rays, Red Sox and Angels" all better then the Cubs…. haha good luck in the playoffs"
Seems like the White Sox fans are going to boo hoo about the Cubs for all of October.
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it is amazing that in a time like this they care about the cubs....
…their little brother-itis is mind numbing.
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on Sep 28, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Paul Konerko is clutch"
“He hit two homers tonight…… thats the definition of clutch”
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .282 HR 29 75 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 27, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know,
since the 162-game schedule was introduced, how many teams have made the postseason having played only 161 games? I would imagine it’s very few…
"They played the best all year, so they're the winners." ~Tony LaRussa on the 2008 Cubs
by Goodie1969 on Sep 27, 2008 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
last team to do it won the World Series
that would be your 2006 Cardinals!
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 1984 Cubs did.
96-65, one cancelled game vs. the Expos.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not so rare
back in the days where attendance was lower, teams would opt for the day off instead of the extra game.
it’s foolish the bosox playing a split twinbill vs. the yankees. i would think they should be more interested in getting their ducks in a row for the angels
by tim815 on Sep 27, 2008 9:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of money at stake if they cancel that game.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding Henry Blanco,
funny I remember this time last year I thought his career was shot. He had a ruptured disc and everyone here I think buried him. What he is doing is phenomenal. If Soto can’t start in the playoffs, I couldn’t think of a better back up.
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Sep 27, 2008 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CEDENO BLUNDERS CONTINUE
At some point in the very near future LOU will be forced to deal with the CEDENO issue. It can’t continue the way it is …..Or expect the Cubs to suffer . The slide at first base was the last straw for me .
by cubs north on Sep 27, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh who really cares?
Raise your hand if you expect Ronny Cedeno to actually play in a playoff game.
Bueller?
Anyone?
by cwyers on Sep 27, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Thats what I was thinking about all this Hoff/Pie/Cedeno arguing. I am hoping that none of them see any playing time anyway.
by LT on Sep 27, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now wait a minute...
In a tight game in the play-offs, you don’t want the ability to put Pie in CF on a double switch, or use him as a pinch runner? You have no confidence seeing him in CF? What am I missing? Didn’t Hoff just have a 5 hit game against the Mutts?
Some of you folks are impossible to please! Even Albert Friggin Poo-holes has made his share of outs in critical situations. These guys are human. I would clearly take either Hoff and Pie over Cedeno. I would take both and leave Howry at home.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In theory, the reason our eight starters are who they are...
…is because they’re the best players we have at those positions. So it’s natural to think that we’re best off letting those eight guys play – and how they play for us is most likely what will determine how well we do in the playoffs, not who we have watching the games from the dugout.
by cwyers on Sep 28, 2008 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where were the outfielders?????
There were not one but two high fly balls hit by tubby that no outfielders took any kind of charge over.
Everyone is slamming Cedeno for dropping that fly ball. Granted, he should have caught it. However, no one, including Al, have mentioned that he was trying to catch it in mid LF!!!!!
Where were those clowns? Talk about taking charge. I was disappointed in Reed on that play…he’s usually way more heads up, but he never really went after it.
I also wonder why they were playing as deep as they were on both plays. Just shocking.
Demp and Rich: proof that people that live in igloos and say "eh" can contibute!
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 27, 2008 10:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
see my comments above...
I believe Reed moved off the ball as Cedeno refused to give up on the play. If today was a play-off game, I think Reed doesn’t let Cedeno do that crap. Of course, if today was a play-off game, Cedeno would be changing the water cooler and not playing SS.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 27, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GAME TIMES on WEDNESDAY and THURSDAY
Does any one know what times the games start at Wrigley on Wednesday and Thursday ?
by cubs north on Sep 27, 2008 10:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not announced yet
depends who the Cubs play…it’ll likely be 4:30 or 5:30 Chicago time, I think I read…anyone else?
Demp and Rich: proof that people that live in igloos and say "eh" can contibute!
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 27, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess would be 4:00, not 4:30.
But I have no basis for making that guess, it’s pure speculation.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they play in shea on monday
and if the game is close late
will sabathia or santana try to close
on one day of rest?
by tim815 on Sep 27, 2008 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If it means making or missing the playoffs? Perhaps.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 27, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Al,
Kudos on making two references to the same band for the threads today. I just noticed that.
When we win the pennant, can we pack Evil BCB full of flash powder?
Standings: -EEEEE
Me: "EEEEE!"
by znohitter on Sep 27, 2008 10:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Random site suggestion
I just saw that the “clinch” bear is still on the logo, and was wondering if he was gonna stay throughout the playoffs? I think it would be cool if he did as a countdown from 11.
(Course its your site, Al, but it would be kinda nifty.) :-)
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 27, 2008 11:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The clinch bear stays till Wednesday.
After that, there will be a change. What will it be? Not telling. You’ll just have to wait till Wednesday!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TEASE!
:-P
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Yep!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But... now I'm curious.
You’re a meanie head.
(Yeah. I’m silly when I can’t sleep!)
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
watch dat language dere!
Never, but NEVER, put ketchup on a hot dog.
by CaliCub on Sep 28, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just got 4 ticket in the 2nd chance lottery for Game 1 @ Shea
Go Mets Go !!!
I am in Chicago on Thursday. Will trade 2 for Saturday in NYC (possible) for 1 in Chicago
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Sep 27, 2008 11:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, congrats!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems like.....
the Cubs are just toying with the Brewers. While Dale and his troops are playing for everything, Lou just keeps playing these games like they are spring training games and the Cubs are winning anyways.
"Hitter-ish is a good word,."- Lou Pinella
by tedinSoCal on Sep 27, 2008 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know Lou was trying to get Marquis some work as a reliever
But that was an awful performance yesterday. I had to watch via gameday here in Kuwait, but Marquis couldn’t throw strikes, couldn’t get anybody out, and damn near gave the suds the game. I wouldn’t use him at all for relief, but keep him as a possible spot starter in case someone goes down.
by nmcubsfan on Sep 28, 2008 5:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Marquis should have taken his regular turn today.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You watch these guys in person...
Al, you’ve been to all the home games this year, and you get to see these guys in person, whereas someone like me is watching via TV. Can Marquis be a reliever? Does he have the stuff? This is a heckuva time in the season to try and find out
by nmcubsfan on Sep 28, 2008 5:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not the stuff...
…. it’s the right mental approach. Marquis might not have been properly prepared to relieve yesterday since he was originally supposed to start today. He’s now got till Wednesday to get into the right frame of mind for relieving.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few comments about the
game yesterday. It has been years since I have seen the Cubs play in person so I was excited to be able to be there yesterday. Miller Park is fantastic. We got there early and were in the first non handicapped parking row in front of the stadium. We got out and visited with other Cub fans and then listened to the first half of the Hawkeyes game (glad I couldn’t see or hear the second half) on XM radio (of all the features on our new car XM radio is my favorite).
We had great seats. We were six rows up from the field just a bit behind first base. The team was having batting practice when we got to our seats. I didn’t even see Geo or DeRo any where. Got to see DLee, Theriot, Hoff and a few others in batting. Got a few pictures but haven’t loaded them yet so don’t know how they will look.
There were several Cub fans in our area. One couple that sat two rows in front of us, he was a Brewer fan and she was a Cub. When she walked past us she flashed us a t-shirt she was carrying. It was a white t-shirt with a blue W on it. Her husband was pretty quiet until the 8th inning but when Kosuke hit his homerun he went stomping up the stairs and she was behind him laughing and high fiving all the Cub fans on her way out.
There were two guys from Chicago sitting next to me. The cute red head sitting directly next to me couldn’t believe we drove from Iowa to see the game. When Kosuke hit his homerun there were high fives all around and Brewer fans left in droves. Lots of smack talk from Brewer fans going on inside and outside after the game.
You could hear a collective groan when Cedeno missed that ball. There were three players right there and he had to be the one to take it….and miss. When Marmol was entering to pitch the ball girl went to get the fould ball that had been hit to her side and Kosuke motioned for her to throw him the ball so she did and he threw it back to her and they played a few minutes of catch. When he threw it back to her and motioned that he was done instead of throwing the ball into the stands she ran back to her seat keeping the ball for herself.
Even though we didn’t get to see Lee, Aramis, Geo or DeRo play it was still fun and we got to see the Cubs win.
by sue369 on Sep 28, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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