California, Here We Come: Cubs 1, Brewers 3
I have only one word to say about today's game:
What on Earth is Bob Howry doing on a major league roster, much less a playoff roster?
OK, that's 17 words, but you get my point. Ryan Braun smacked a game-winning homer in the 8th inning off Howry and the Brewers beat the Cubs 3-1, and when the Marlins beat the Mets 4-2, the Mets were eliminated and the Brewers won the NL Wild Card, sending the Cubs into a first-ever postseason matchup with the Dodgers.
Bob Howry. What is Lou thinking? Howry has allowed 13 home runs in 70.2 innings -- a horrendous ratio for a relief pitcher (comparison point: in 66.1 innings, Kerry Wood allowed three home runs all season). It was the first homer, granted, that he had allowed since August 14 in Atlanta, when he came into a game the Cubs were leading 11-4 and made it close enough that Wood had to come into a non-save situation in the 9th inning.
The Cubs, obviously, didn't play today's game like a regular game -- it was more like the first day of spring training, where no pitcher goes more than two innings. And until Howry, everyone else threw pretty well, except Sean Marshall, who was charged with the tying run when Michael Wuertz, who also didn't throw very well, issued two walks, one with the bases loaded. And now, Mr. Wuertz, you know why you spent most of your summer in Des Moines.
The Cubs did have a shot at tying the game of CC Sabathia in the 9th -- I had just said, to the TV (no one else was here watching with me!), "Say, maybe Theriot should take off for second", thinking Derrek Lee was a DP candidate. Sure enough, he grounded to second, starting a game-ending double play, his 27th of the season, ending the regular season by tying Ron Santo's team record, which had stood since 1973. Maybe a runner on 2nd would have put Salomon Torres into the game, and the Cubs have hit Torres very hard this month.
The bottom line was, the Brewers needed the game more than the Cubs did, and this doesn't reflect what might happen, a couple of weeks down the road, when the Cubs and Brewers could meet in the NLCS. Actually, I'd look forward to that -- it would be a heck of a series.
But first, there are Dodgers to defeat; I'll have more to say about that before Wednesday. Since the TV moguls were probably waiting to see if their crews had to wait to head to LA or NY for the Cub series games 3 (and 4, if necessary), now that the NL matchups are set, game times should follow in short order (it shouldn't really matter to them whether the White Sox or Twins go to Tampa, for game time purposes, and that won't be known till at least tomorrow).
In the meantime, enjoy a couple of days off. We all need them, I think. (And Lou, you still have time to put someone else -- Gaudin, Wuertz, ANYONE -- on the postseason roster instead of Howry.)
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any thoughts on times
first by the way
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by Bricks and Ivy on Sep 28, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i would have to guess with us playing a team from the west coast
they wouldnt make them play a day game in chicago. That would be a morning game for them out west. My guess is we know will get the evening game
by kodypuckett23 on Sep 28, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morning, ONLY if it's 12:30 Chicago time.
They could have a 3:00 or 4:00 Chicago time game. We’ll see.
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by Al on Sep 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't a game featuring...
..teams from the 2nd and 3rd largest media markets in the country best be shown in primetime? Seems the networks would prefer it that way.
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by calicubfan on Sep 28, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, except
prime time for one is not prime time for the other.
by AceCubbie on Sep 29, 2008 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should be the later games
4pm or 6pm i cant remember what the time is. Not fair to Dodger fans for games to start in the morning.
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by nji232 on Sep 28, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels
The Angels have played road games in the first series, so I don’t think it matters what time zone the Dodgers are in…my guess is the Cubs are the first game Wednesday.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i politely disagree but this is what blogs are for
by kodypuckett23 on Sep 28, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just last year
Angels and Red Sox played at a 2:27pm start. So MLB doesn’t factor in west coast fans in the decision. It would be 11am on the west coast so its not like they would have to set their alarms.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200710030.shtml
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AL series is LATE at night
The slot we had for games one and two last year. We will have the dinner time slot IMO. The morning slot is supposed to go to NL Wild Card series.
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by nji232 on Sep 28, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sort of related question
what affect do the Wrigleyvlle ordinances about night games have on the playoff schedule?
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe they don't apply during the postseason and MLB can schedule night games at will
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by JohnM on Sep 28, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is correct.
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by Al on Sep 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also not fair
to us Cubs fans who live in LA either.
by JFCubFan on Sep 28, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just means Ill be using more vacation days then I had planned.
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by californiachicagoan on Sep 28, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howry can go away
Please please please. If I see him in the playoffs I think I will suffer a heart attack.
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by nji232 on Sep 28, 2008 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
Chances Guzman becomes Marmol part 2? I like him a lot and he doesn’t seem to be a very good starter.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
spring training
Have to wait til spring training 09 to see how he does, my guess is he has as good a shot as any of the second tier pitchers to make the team next year.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I was just watching him today and remembering how much Lou loves “power armed guys” and someone with good stuff who could spell Marmol when we have stretches of close games would be fantastic.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howry
The only pitching he should do in the playoffs is during BP.
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by FSArkCubsFan on Sep 28, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we'd be hittin all sorts of BP home runs
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by BradB311 on Sep 28, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the most part...
…Howry has been throwing BP during the game. If he every threw anything offspeed, it would cause “shock and awe” with the hitter and he wouldn’t know what to do. I continue to be baffled why someone who has the talent to be a major league pitcher, still can’t master at least a mediocre offspeed pitch.
I understood why Lou was giving Howry an opportunity to see if he could find himself (although I think he went overboard with it), but I really think Howry is reaching the end of the line.
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by MPH73 on Sep 28, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can only hope the end of the line is TODAY.
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by Al on Sep 28, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But again, if not Howry then who ????
Evidence suggest that Guzman is being shutdown for purposes of his continuing rehab. Wuertz and Hart suck, and Gaudin has really sucked since coming back from the back thing (today notwithstanding). So the question you have to ask yourself is if you were Lou Piniella and Larry Rothschild then who replaces Howry on the playoff roster. But alas, this blog will devolve into extreme Lou bashing and precisely the point in time where we should be singularly focused on this team getting to the World Series. Because Lord knows, it should be so blindingly obvious to dump Bob Howry.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Sep 28, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A.B.H.
Anyone but Howry.
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by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree AL. There is no way Lou can march Howry out
there again. if he does and he gets rocked again, Lou will never hear the end of it.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this won't go down well
But MDBNIU you were actually right about Howry way before most of the rest of us were. Yes indeed he was the ‘glorified mop up man’ this season.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me ?
I have been ranting against Howry since July and got mocked most of the time because " I just did not understand " things the way Lou did. I was told by more than a few that he was a “vet” who Lou “trusted” and didn’t walk anyone. I claim the prize as #1 Howry attacker on BCB and I LIKE the guy , I just don’t think he can pitch and I was REALLY pissed Lou let go of Eyre to keep him ( Oh yes everyone who defended Howry said I was crazy for that too because Eyre was a situational lefty and we did not need him. Check out his UNDER 1 ERA.
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by Doggie Stalker on Sep 28, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its "bashing Lou" to wonder why Howry is pitching?
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answer the question !!!
If not Howry (who SUCKS by the way) then WHO ? Because if there was obvious answer then it would take Lou and Larry 1/10th of a second to go with that obvious answer. It would seem clear that Guzman is being shutdown. Hard to argue with that given his promising future and the fact that he is still rehabbing from major hunky dory surgery.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Sep 28, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know who.
Howry seems to be our version of Eric Gagne. I dont’ have the answers.
But to say that QUESTIONING Lou’s decision = bashing is lame. Even for you.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't bash Lou.
Just plead with him to do the right thing.
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by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But obviously any criticism at Lou is bashing
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by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I will
and have. He is a “great” manager as long as he has great starting pitching the minute he goes into the bullpen before the 8th inning he is Dusty Baker only walks don’t " clog the system" they have him put in Howry
over ANYBODY ELSE.
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by Doggie Stalker on Sep 28, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guzmán wasn't shut down.
No pitcher was scheduled to throw more than 2 innings today and that’s what Guzmán threw.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 28, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring on the Dodgers...
If we pitch and hit the way we’re capable of, we can beat anyone (especially a barely .500 team from a AAA division).
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by CubsBullsBears on Sep 28, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers
We played well against the Dodgers this year for the most part, but they are a different team than we faced with Furcal back, Manny Ramirez and Casey Blake. Its going to be a tough series but I have complete confidence they can win.
I think the bullpen is our only weakness, so we just need the starters go get it done.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Lou doesnt under estimate the Dodgers like you do.
They are 30-23 with Manny. That’s a 92 win team over a full year. Thats as good as Philly and better than the Brewers. And its not just him. Nomar, Ethier, Hu have all been on fire. Their bullpen has been great. It’ll be tough.
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by californiachicagoan on Sep 28, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Underestimate? How?
If we play the way we are capable of playing, I believe we are the best team in baseball and can beat anybody. That statement has nothing to do with the Dodgers. No team should be taken lightly in the playoffs because the playoffs are indeed a crapshoot. The Dodgers are a dangerous team, but I have the utmost confidence in our team.
However, you can’t take their record in the last 53 games and project that out over a full year, that is complete nonsense. That’s like taking the Cubs’ September and saying that they’re an 81 win team; your logic sucks. Take a look at who they’ve been playing the past month, an NL West loaded schedule.
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by CubsBullsBears on Sep 29, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Howry's spot guaranteed?
I’d really much rather have Gaudin in the playoffs, despite his recent struggles.
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by CubsBullsBears on Sep 28, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Henry Rowengartner
than Howry
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by BradB311 on Sep 28, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he have an offspeed pitch?
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by znohitter on Sep 28, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
not sure. I’ve got an off speed pitch. you think i can take Howry’s spot?
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by BradB311 on Sep 28, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on... yes, yes you can.
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by znohitter on Sep 28, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I pitch slow pitch softball
I only gave up one run last week. That automatically makes me better than Howry, No?
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by BradB311 on Sep 28, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Send me your numbers
and I’ll do some sabermetrics.
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by znohitter on Sep 28, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The underhand Floater!
Could be considered a nasty changeup.
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by CubsBullsBears on Sep 28, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if Daniel Stern can throw out the first pitch.
I always thought he was cute.
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by Doggie Stalker on Sep 28, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breakings news
paul asenmaucher is coming back. mlb is allowing him to be on the post season roster.
from the mouth of Uecker:
"Am I the only one who’s glad it’s only a 4-game series? If was a 9-game series, I think the Cubs would win them all."
by cubsluver22 on Sep 28, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pleeezzzz Lou -- We Beg of You
As you said Al — absolutely no reason to put Howry on the post season roster. Other than the Brewers, the game mattered not today. But Howry was give a chance to show once again why he has no business in the post season. Just as Braun was stepping into the box, I said to my wife — If Howry throws one of his mediocre fastballs anywhere near the strike zone, Braun will hit Bernie the Brewer. So lo and behold — Bruan missed Bernie but he did not miss that pitch.
Lou may have told Howry that he was going to be on the roster but promises are made to be broken … and this is one promise that has to be broken. Guzman, Gaudin, anybody who even has a chance of retiring a batter without the resultant heart attack — which almost happened on Durham’s drive.
Roster spots are for contributors and those who have the potential to contribute. Howry is neither of these.
Let’s hope this was his last appearance in a Cub uniform.
by ceegeewow on Sep 28, 2008 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shades of John Madden there...
“Contributors are those who contribute” Good point about Howry though.
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by CubsBullsBears on Sep 28, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing about Howry...
…I wouldn’t be shocked if he went to Lou and said; “I understand if you need to go with someone else”. I am not saying it will happen, But he is a stand up guy.
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by MPH73 on Sep 28, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That, I do know of him.
He might actually do that. Gaudin, Guzman, Wuertz, even Hart would be better choices.
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by Al on Sep 28, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please...
…no Wuertz, but any of the other 3 would be fine.
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by MPH73 on Sep 28, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After Guzman's performance today,
why have we not seen more of him?
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by znohitter on Sep 28, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Godd question. I was hoping Lou would put him through
his paces this entire month to see what he had. He could be the missing arm, but we will never know because he hasn’t pitched enough. Kind of a waste.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Howry call
I would put Gaudin on. We can only hope Howry will not be used in a game that the Dodgers are within 10 runs. It is really tough to understand, Lou basically ran Eyre out of town, but Howry remains.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 28, 2008 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Be very, very careful of Manny. Otherwise we'll kick their dodgers.
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by mrcubsfan on Sep 28, 2008 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Be careful folks
Dodgers have played well the whole month. This will be tough, there bullpen is strong.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 28, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I agree
Its going to be a very tough series its a totally different team than what we played earlier in the year, however the Dodgers have had a history of doing what the Cubs did last year in the playoffs, not putting up much of a fight.
I’ll say Cubs in 5 :)
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason...
…the Dodgers remind me a little of the 03 Cubs after they got Ramirez and Lofton to balance out the offense.
With that said, the Cubs just need to play their game and they should be fine.
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by MPH73 on Sep 28, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look closer.
The Dodgers have had a cakewalk September. Take away the three games against the DBacks (who are one game over .500 at the moment) and they didn’t play a single game against a team with a winning record this month. They played San Diego 9 times this month.
by kanderber on Sep 28, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As you might imagine I watched the Dodgers a LOT this month.
Hitting is VERY erratic but they do have a lot of power beyond Manny and they are smart runners. Bullpen is good but not great
so probably a toss up. Only one starting pitcher ( Lowe) will have post season experience. Do NOT underestimate them. I would much rather have played the Mets.
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by Doggie Stalker on Sep 28, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Too many people are underestimating the Dodgers, they are going to be tough.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The good news is...
… the Dodgers have a bad road record, 36-45. The Cubs need to put the pressure on them by winning the first two at home.
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by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on Al.
If you look up Howry on Wikipedia, I think it says ‘Awful’. Gotta go with Samardzja or Wuertz, insted of Howry. Looking forward to playing LA – pitch around Manny, please.
Go CUBS!
by jselinger24 on Sep 28, 2008 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One note here about NLDS
FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION
by nervousCUBlover on Sep 28, 2008 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wuertz
I said it in the game thread but he’d be my last pitcher on the roster over Howry. I’d not have him in there in a bases loaded situation because he walks guys. But his out pitch is not a fastball, which Howry’s is. Wood, Marmol are 8th and 9th inning guys. I believe that Samardzjia will be a 7th inning guy if they have a lead and need a reliever in that spot. What they need is a guy who can go in and get a key strike-out.
To me, that guy is Wuertz, particularly in this upcoming series. The biggest offensive threat is Manny Ramirez and he will pound Howry’s fastball. I think Wuertz would keep him off balance and have a better shot at retiring Manny is a key/late situation where one big out is needed.
DmL
by dmlichte on Sep 28, 2008 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Complete agree...
…of all the Cub’s pitchers, Wuertz drives me insane with his untimely walks he consistantly gives up.
Neither he or Howry, should sniff the mound in the playoffs.
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by MPH73 on Sep 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only out pitch
lately that I’ve seen Howry throw has been out of the park. Everything he’s thrown is within 3 miles an hour of the rest. And his location seldom varies much. Bottom line is that he’s the most predictable pitcher on our team.
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by tharr on Sep 28, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why were Wood and Marmol not part of the "tuneup" today?
Wood will have gone almost a week without pitching by Wednesday. Marmol pitched last on Saturday. Was putting in Howry THAT important?!
by CubFaninNY on Sep 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wood pitched yesterday.
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by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops. sorry.
I forgot about yesterday.
by CubFaninNY on Sep 28, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol pitched the last 2 days
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it tells you...
…Lou is not 100% certain about some roster spots.
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by MPH73 on Sep 28, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullpen
Lou has saw our bullpen and seen it limp along the last few weeks, I don’t blame him for wanting to see as many guys as possible.
In fact I’m surprise we didn’t see Randy Wells today..did he get hurt or something?
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Wells is hurt and shut down for the year.
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by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stress fracture in the arm
Poor guy. He was doing so well.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, that's too bad.
I feel bad for him.
by sue369 on Sep 28, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wuertz
Wuertz is just so inconsistent, I’d rather see anyone than Howry but I don’t think I have any confidence in Wuertz either.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If our starters pitch solid
we won’t need howry or whoever gets that spot. We’ve got Shark, Marmol, and Wood for 7,8,9. Also the 2 Lefty’s and don’t forget Marquis is in the pen. Now lets just pray we can get at very least 6 solid innings out of our starters
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by BradB311 on Sep 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not Gaudin?
I know he’s struggled recently, but he was great when he first came over. And even with his recent struggles, he’s a better option than Howry.
by kanderber on Sep 28, 2008 4:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin is not healthy. He is struggling to get the ball over the plate
and his location is awful. You think Howry would be bad? Gaudin would not be much better now.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the MOTs out there:
At least the games start after Rosh Hashanah this year. That way we can follow, unlike last year. Al, no excuses this year, you need to be in a Synagogue and pray for a good year.
by CubFaninNY on Sep 28, 2008 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heck, I'll go to synagogue and pray for the Cubs...
…and I’m not even Jewish!
by sniffy the bee on Sep 28, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely.
I’m going both days, and I’ll make sure I say a refuah sh’lemah for DeRo’s leg. Afterwards, I’ll beg a little bit for good luck for the rest of them…
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Sep 28, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you also say
“V’YaFutzu Oyvecha V’Yanutu Mitanecha MiPanecha” against the Dodgers, and all the other teams we’re gonna face in the next few weeks? :-)
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 28, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea! I'll add it to my list....
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Sep 28, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Tonight's full of idiots
“Ramierz didn’t look Durham back”…. kinda hard to do from the bench, ya dip.
Steve Phillips, still an idiot.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not only that
After the backhanded pick, the throw barely got Braun. Look Durham back, and no outs are recorded on that play.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Durham
Durham is a complete Cub killer I hate the idea of having to face him in the NLCS.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the Brewers beating Philly
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're likely right, but you never know
Still, the Phillies have time to reset their rotation. The Brewers don’t have that. Gallardo may start on Wednesday, which is a hell of a story. I don’t know how long he could go, though.
If they manage to win game 1 with CC going on game 2, it gets pretty interesting, though.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
playoffs
ANYTHING can happen in the playoffs, you really can’t predict ANYTHING at all, I would pick the Phillies too but absolutely nothing shocks me.
All of us should know this just by last years NLDS, who would have thought the Cubs would just lay down like they did?
The Phillies did the same things vs the Rockies.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC said on BBTN he's going in game 1
on 3 days rest again.
I just don’t see them beating that bullpen if CC can’t pitch 3 straight CGs.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
game 1 would be 2 days rest
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, direct quote
Q: Game 1?
A: Without a doubt.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's probably caught up in the excitement of the moment
That would be extremely stupid, though. If the Brewers sneak game 1, they could be in great shape with CC on 3 days rest. If they lose w/CC on short rest, they’d be emotionally AND physically spent.
Both NL series start Wednesday — there’s no way CC pitches game 1.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what happens when I'm half listening
I wasn’t even thinking calander, just listening.
:-P
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang
Half blind AND half deaf??
;-)
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
no. just half-listening.
switching back and forth between bbtn & football. be glad i noticed it was even CC talking.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want any part of football for a while
The Packers losing didn’t even bother me much after Saturday.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
what a game that was. :-(
sorry about your badgers.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
Me, too.
Should never have happened. UW should have been up 30-0, not 19.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Michigan Alum. Ithought the game was great.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As you should
I don’t think you’re going to like most games this year, though — which makes it especially disappointing. I just don’t think UM is good this year.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're not good. In fact they suck.
It’s going to take at least a couple of years to recover from the coaching change. They lost a lot of good players last year and changing coaches always loses a few recruits. We’ll survive, but it won’t be nice.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how well Rodriguez is going to
be able recruit for his system.
Michigan is a fine place, but if you’re talented enough to have your pick, why would you ever stay in the BigTen where its cold & slow?
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tra-di-tion!

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
You’ll be back….but we should have beaten you when you were down.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
i wouldn’t be surprised if the brewers win it all.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Sep 28, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing will surprise me . . .
Any of the 9 teams left could win it all.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that would surprise me
Sure they had a great run, but the offense is all or nothing, but the Phillies is too and ours can be and the old achilles heel the bullpen.
Their also a bad defensive team.
Anything can happen though.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would
After CC, their rotation isn’t scary. Their pen is pretty burned out. (Torres was admitting to feeling old earlier this week).
Their defense is spotty at best. And the Phillies have the speed to take advantage of Kendall’s arm and any mistakes in the field.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right about Torres.
If D-Lee had gotten on in the 9th, Sveum would have likely called on Torres, and the Cubs might have pulled it out.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
… Kendall was one of the BEST in throwing out runners this year. Yes, I know that’s hard to believe after what we saw last year, but his CS% was over 40%.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the stats
but I think Kendall got yosted into the ground this year.
And throwing out Rollins & Victarino is a lot different throwing out most other guys.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see. The phillies have the potential of putting up a bunch of runs. That park
can be a band box that looks pretty small when they get it going. They have just enough pitching and a good closer to be dangerous. They should beat the brew crew, but it could be close.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I caught that.
Idiots. besides, had Mcgeehee stopped to look the runner back the hitter would have been save at first base. Again, ESPN idiots.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 28, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Latest guess on starting times...
Oct 1: Brewers/Phillies at 2 pm CT; Cubs/Dodgers at 5:30 pm CT; Red Sox/Angels at 9 pm CT
Oct 2: Twins or White Sox/Rays at 12:30 pm CT; Phillies/Brewers at 4 pm CT; Cubs/Dodgers at 7:30 pm CT
Note, that is NOT official, just my best guess based on the matchups. We’ll see what they announce.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that would be ideal
I’d only have to fake sick for an hour of work
2008 National League Central Division Champs!!!!!
by BradB311 on Sep 28, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shadows
If thats true won’t the game be played in shadows for the first few innings?
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no.
Sunset is about 6:30 pm… most of the field would already be in shadow by 5:30, and that’s assuming it’s sunny.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any chance an early start will drive ticket prices down a little?
by nervousCUBlover on Sep 28, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
magical thinking
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 28, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't bother me
My school is having an early release day Wed. I’ll be home by 1:30 est, 12:30 ct, ready for any game :)
They knew the cubs were gonna play Wed. I tell you.
by cubsfaninatl on Sep 28, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got a big work week this week
I’m going to try to cram everything into Monday and Tuesday… sigh
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 28, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would love to get the late game.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Sep 28, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, thinking about the Dodgers
we haven’t seen them since the first half:
Their rotation would go: Lowe, Billingsly, Kuroda?
Lowe’s been hot lately. But maybe seeing Saito again will heat up Dome.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My biggest dodger concern would be Torre's experience and savvy
by nervousCUBlover on Sep 28, 2008 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm?
And Lou wouldn’t have that? I’d say they are pretty darn even. Torre was at the head of a dynasty but Lou’s been there done that too.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
Sweet Lou has managed for 20 years and has 3 World Series rings, 2 from his days on those great Yankee teams of 1977 and 1978 and 1 as manager of the Reds. Suffice to say Sweet Lou has game.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Sep 28, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rate them about even. Torre had lots of weapons
during the Yankee run and he didn’t have to do a lot of strategizing. Just get ahead and bring in Big Mo.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fear the Torre
Nobody has more post-season managerial experience today than that guy, except maybe Bobby Cox.
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by znohitter on Sep 28, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Torre...
…but I really believe there is nothing here to fear, especially with Piniella on the Cub’s side. In fact, of all the managers who have piled up the most wins over the last 10-15 years, I think Torre is a bit overated.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Torre looks good now thanks to Manny Ramirez.
If not for Manny, Joe would likely be sitting home this postseason.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
Arizona seemed pretty determined to gag away their post season chances.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
but Lou knows HIS players after 2 years better than Torre is going to know his after 1.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
managers
I really think managers are over-rated, I think a full season is more than enough for Torre to know what he is doing. It will come down to execution by the players not the strings pulled by the managers, that is unless Lou uses Howry in a key situation lol
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It took our guys at least half a season to get used to Lou
and then start playing well.
It was the same for the Dodgers, it took them until JULY to get any kind of forward momentum.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wednesday's lineup in my opinion
1. Soriano – LF
2. Theriot – SS
3. Lee – 1st
4. Ramirez – 3rd
5. Edmonds – CF
6. Soto – Cat
7. DeRosa – RF
8. Fontenot – 2nd
9. Dempster – P
Bench….Blanco, Cedeno, Johnson, Kosuke, Ward, Hoffpower
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Sep 28, 2008 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
seems reasonable
The only question would be RF/2b does Lou go with Derosa at 2nd and Kosuke in right.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Dero's leg issue, I think he is going to be on the infield at least for
the first few games.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo's status
The Cubs’ Mark DeRosa will test his sore left calf on Monday and is questionable to start Game 1 of the National League Division Series, which begins Wednesday at Wrigley Field.
“[On Monday], we’ll have a much better idea as to how he’s doing,” Cubs manager Lou Piniella said Sunday.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gamesmanship on the part of Lou ?!?!
I wonder how hurt Mark DeRosa really is.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Sep 28, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that. That kind of silliness can come back to bite you.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no evidence
Yes no evidence that this would be the case, I don’t think DeRo puts fear in the Dodgers one way or the other.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Lou is just covering his bases. You
don’t want to say he is fine and then have him go work out and say he can’t go, the you look like you don’t know what the hell is going on. it’s better to say we’ll wait until Monday to see how he is doing.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was seen in a boot walking around the clubhouse
and then without it yesterday and begging to get some ABs.
I’m a little more nervous about Geo’s hand then DeRosa’s leg. His hand is going to take a beating….
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just guessing...
Either DeRo is healthy enough to play — and I mean play anywhere — or he will be on the bench so as not to aggravate it.
The first game of a playoff series is huge — if DeRo is healthy enough to play, you play him where you need him to create the best lineup.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Sep 28, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Kosuke has been demoted to strictly defensive replacement at this point
I really do.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Sep 28, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
likely right on that point
here’s to a dominating Dome season in 09
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 28, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his bat will come back in the post-season.
The Dodgers pitchers haven’t seen him since before the break. I suspect they won’t be able to contain him as well as the teams in our division who have seen him more.
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by znohitter on Sep 28, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
But I definitely won’t count on it. Kosuke’s downward spiral kept on its path. He hit .178 in Sept after hitting .193 in August.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a good week though
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 28, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
If you call 5 for 21 with 2 doubles and a homer a good week. 3 walks in there too.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats 400 OBP and 500 SLG
Pretty good.
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 28, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hold on there tiger
333 OBP and 476 SLG …he was on base 8 times in 24 PA
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 28, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's lower than his season's OBP...
which is about .360 or so.
by CubFaninNY on Sep 28, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope DeRo's healthy enough to play on Wednesday.
Who’s starting? Lowe or Billingsley?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrek Lowe is starting according to Torre
To be followed by Billingsley then Kuroda.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Sep 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
I think we have three pretty good pitching matchups with them, don’t you?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs starters
The Cubs have the best rotation in the playoffs IMO…Z is the only real question mark
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lowe has always been a huge playoff performer...
But yes, I like our chances against that starting threesome.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Sep 28, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So:
Lowe/Dempster, Billingsly/Z, Kuroda/Harden?
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct.
And then Lilly in game 4 vs… Maddux?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooooo...
…fun!
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by znohitter on Sep 28, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddux not confirmed
Torre hasn’t confirmed Maddux, its either him or 2 rookies if they go with 4 starters, they’ll probably just go with Lowe on short rest.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like our chances against that staff.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lowe is probably the way they'll go
Sinker/groundball guys are supposed to be better on short rest, right?
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know. CC and Santana did pretty good this weekend.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love watching Johan pitch
he was the only guy in the AL I think I’d pay to watch.
Sucks that he’s a Met.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a real gamer. He's worth every penny they paid
for him. If I could have one pitcher on my staff now it would be a toss up between him and Lincecomb.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were building for the future, I think I'd go Lincecum
but if you’re going for immediate/shorter term impact, I’d go Johan.
Hard to believe he’s still under 30. He’s incredible.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wish Big Z had his temprement. He is almost a
perfect pitcher. A great combination of power and finesse. Just a real top-notch arm.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlikely
I don’t think Maddux starts in the series. Per other post I think his biggest asset is his knowledge and in particular his
ability to coach Lowe. He might get some relief work though.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 28, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might not even be on their roster according to their TV announcers last night...
Vin and whoever works with him. Can we hire him to be a special bullpen pitching coach starting tomorrow?
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 28, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have been very cagey about his status
Kuo is out now and Stults and others send down so my guess is he makes the roster.
Fun game last night no ? Vintage Maddux. I was only sorry that the need to give Billingsley some “practice” meant
they pulled Maddux after 47 pitches in SIX innings.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 28, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I stayed up to the very end just to enjoy the game even after they pulled him; he was just getting warmed up. I have always loved watching Maddux pitch. He is so mentally “there” if you know what I mean; the opposite of Z. I hope he does make the roster.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 28, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
47 in 6???
WOW
"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella
by derv on Sep 28, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are correct about the positions.
However, I think that DeRo will bat #8. He won’t have faced live pitching for a week.
LBR might bat #2 so that he and Edmonds are spread out. Riot #7.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Sep 28, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets hope the Cubs won't need Howry!
If the starters do there job and get at least through the 7th inning Howry can stay in the bullpen. Marmol and Wood can come in the final innings.
by billkelly on Sep 28, 2008 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, reminds me of when the 1990 Buffalo Bills said,
I hope we don’t need Scott Norwood to kick a 50-yard field goal at the end of the game
by nervousCUBlover on Sep 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wonderful thinking
but the reality will prove otherwise given our pen
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 28, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the 'pen will stablize itself
the last few days has been mix-and-match or tryouts, once everyone has a role I think stuff’ll stablize.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure hope you're right
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 28, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
optimistic
very optimistic :) I like it :)
Just wish I could believe it lol
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bit
but we’ve been looking SO CLOSELY for the Achilles’s heel of this team, we’ve all latched onto the ’pen.
Yes its been spotty, but guys run on adrenaline and there’s been VERY little going this last week.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopeful (yes I know that's not a word) good point
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 28, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Home Field Advantage
The key to the NL playoffs for the Cubs is home field advantage. Lets put the pressure on and win the first two. The Cubs are the strongest team in every area.
by billkelly on Sep 28, 2008 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
every area?
I think the Dodgers do have a better bullpen than the Cubs at this point.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before the 8th inning they have a better bullpen.
But Saito was on the DL for a while so he could be a tad rusty but he did manage the save last night.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 28, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swiping a page from Sparky Anderson I might pitch around Manny the entire Dodger series
Back in the early 80’s Sparky Anderson vowed he would pitch around George Brett no matter the game situation. And damned if old George Sparky Anderson didn’t just about do that when Detroit faced Kansas City in I want to say 1983.
Anyway, why screw around with Manny given the dubious nature otherwise of the Dodger lineup? Russell Martin is a good pure hitter and Matt Kemp can be streaky good. But let’s just walk Manny 4 times a game and be done with it.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Sep 28, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You may have a point. Maybe not walk him intentionally, but
feed him a steady diet of junk. If you keep the guys in front of him off the bases, then you won’t have to pitch to him at all.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe late in the game
but I’d rather go after a guy then give away free baserunners.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't let you ego lose the series. If he is the only guy who can
consistently hurt you, take him out of play. It’s just like football. Don’t let the start running back or receiver beat you. Make the rest of that team prove that they can beat you. i’m betting they can’t.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh huh
but even a guy hitting .350 is going to make an out nearly 7 times out of 10.
I just hate the “throw garbage” motto.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some guys have been know to hit much higher in a series. He is so
much better than the rest of that team that I don’t think its smart to fool with him. He has proven to be one of the most clutch performers in the game. They don’t have anyone else close to him performancewise. I think it’s a no-brainer. Don’t let him beat you.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends on the situation
I’m sure they will pitch around him when the need arises, but I don’t think they will constantly try to work around him, can’t just focus on one player.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I agree in theory with not pitching to him in “clutch” spots, but you don’t IBB a guy in the first inning of the first game of a series to me.
That just feels like cowardice to me.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it is silly to give IBB's in most situations.
Even a .350 batter will make an out 650 times out of 1000 ABs. That’s a good probability on your side.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 28, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said IBB him. Just don't let him beat you. If that means
pitching around him in a key situation, do it. They are pretty much a one man team. Kent can hurt you, but he has holes in his swing. he other guys are very young. He’s definitely the big dog, so make sure he doesn’t bite you.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I thought you were agreeing with Blue Mike on walking him 4 times a game.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell no. I wouldn't do that to Barry Bonds in his prime. I just
said I wouldn’t let him beat me. Sparky Anderson did what he did to accomplish the same thing, he was just more direct about it. If you have one guy who is clearly the head of the snake, cut him off and the snake can’t hurt you. Manny could win a series with his bat and I would not let that happen.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that I agree with
you don’t let the one big gun beat you if you can help it.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually he is hitting 400 as a Dodger
and slugging over 700
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 28, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was 1982
but I’m not sure either. Good analogy though.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Sep 28, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was '84
That was the year that the Tigers started like 40-5 and Morris pitched a no hitter against the White Sox.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Sep 28, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
35-5 was the Tigers start.
After that they went 69-53, not so great.
I saw that no-hitter, it was the first weekend of the season on a VERY cold day, the only no-hitter I had seen in person before September 14.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal was having a MVP type season before his injury
Ethier has emerged as a solid player and Nomar has been hot.
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 28, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I'd have rather played the Mets, here's alternate thinking:
Is it better to play a tougher opponent? IF the Cubs and Phils are going to play in the NLCS (I am not guaranteeing either team getting there) – maybe it’s better playing a tougher opponent than the NY Mess (not a typo) before the Phils.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno about that,
but based on last year I’d say playing longer series seems to help.
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by znohitter on Sep 28, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
playing the same amount of games as the other series. That way there is no overly long layoff.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillies should take a buzz saw to the Brewers
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on Sep 28, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Phillies have a habit of losing playoff series that they should win. On
paper they are superior but the choke factor is big with them.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who ya got?
Torre looks like a grumpy old man in that one.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 5:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
reminds me of a certain recent debate
ok I’ll shut up now….
That's the beauty of baseball. You never know what's going to happen until the final out -- Lou
by Emelie on Sep 28, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tastes great!
Less Filling!
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 28, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How long do you think it will take for ESPN to say that this series features two former managers of the Yankees?
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 28, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean they haven't already?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TBS Cubs Postseason Commercial
Does anyone have a link for the new TBS post-season commercial? I saw it…but didnt’ have the volume up. It looked like Ramirez and Fukudome were chatting while punching away on a commercial.
Anyone have a link?
by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 28, 2008 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB.com
has it.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You did mean "punching away on a laptop", right?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 28, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BULLPEN PROBLEMS """"""
After todays Bullpen problems Lou has some serious decisions to make .Lets hope the bullpen can do better starting Wednesday ….
by cubs north on Sep 28, 2008 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Problems?
Besides Howry, I think the bullpen did a fantastic job. 18 straight Brewers retired without anyone pitching more than 2 innings.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Sep 28, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what the Tribune thinks
by way of Phil Rogers. Link
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Sep 28, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
since when does Phil Roger "think"?
:)
by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 28, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Merkle's play was common back then
the crowds always rushed the field and the players always tried to get off as fast as possible. I like your screen name but it’s too bad he is known for that one play. The other night on I the game we won in the 9th when Marquis pinch ran, Soriano was on 2d and he didn’t go all the way to third and I panicked and then realized there was no one on first so it wasn’t a force out situation.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 28, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we have home field advantage...
And we have the best home record in the N.L., and THEY have the intangibles edge?! More garbage from Phil Rogers.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Sep 28, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take our intangibles over their intangibles any day
the Dodgers are my second favorite team because they were my dad’s favorite (even though he never forgave them for leaving Brooklyn he still was a fan all his life) but I don’t see them matching up in any category with the Cubs. Except middle relief maybe. Manny is just one guy who is off for the big payday as soon as his team is out of the playoffs.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 28, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok article
But kind of iffy on the ‘intangibles’
Intangibles
Edge: Dodgers.
Home field should be a huge advantage, but the Cubs’ last three playoff games at Wrigley Field were spectacular disappointments. The expectation that this is the Cubs’ year is an extra burden for a franchise that hasn’t won a pennant since 1945 or a World Series since 1908.
The Dodgers have had their own nice litle run of playoff dissapointments in the last 20 years.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, results from 2003 count toward this seasons "intangibles"?
Baseball writers are just so inscrutable sometimes.
"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman
by hip2bsquare on Sep 28, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only 2 guys from that team still with the Cubs, right?
Z and Wood.
by CubFaninNY on Sep 28, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Veteran bench
More like old and busted bench.
Isn’t Nomar due for a DL stint, I think its been a week.
Pfft. I don’t like Phil Rogers. I don’t know why I clicked it.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing dangerous about Juan Pierre...
And the only danger for Nomar is making it through a whole series without an injury.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Sep 28, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't tempt fate
Keep talking smack about ex-Cubs on the Dodgers and next thing you know Nomar hits a pinch-hit homer in the bottom of the 9th in game 5 driving in Pierre who bunted his way on, Maddux the winner after 2 scoreless innings of relief.
by jmomls on Sep 29, 2008 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Juan Pierre gets a scratch hit, steals 2nd, and goes to 3rd on a Theriot error...
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 29, 2008 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops, you already mentioned Pierre :-)
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 29, 2008 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have the best bench on the league
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on Sep 28, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we do?
OK explain…I think we are lacking any type of right handed power.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've had the most production from our bench all year
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs pinch hitters
Cubs pinch hitters have hit .199 as a team thats last in the NL and only better than Tampa in the major leagues.
by jeff_pico on Sep 28, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone here on BCB could have done a better analysis on a Cubs-Dodgers series than him
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Sep 28, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have a one armed blind man pitch that Howry
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on Sep 28, 2008 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least a one-armed blind man would just walk everyone he faced rather than giving up the long ball
although halfblindcubbiegirl might disagree
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 28, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
wasn’t there a guy who was one handed who pitched in the bigs? (I saw something about him on TWIB but i can’t remember his name)
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Abbott
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Michigan grad
:(
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn Badgers
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw. Poor guy.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is Rich Hill so I'm not doing a lot of crowing.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 28, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on Sep 29, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not your fault!
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 29, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pete Grey. Jim Abbott had two arms but only one hand
You mean Pete Grey, with the old S. Louis Browns
by CubFaninNY on Sep 28, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I mean Jim Abbott
HBCG asked about a one-handed pitcher, not a one-armed outfielder.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was on a barnstorming team that my dad's semi-pro team played in the early 50s in Indiana.
They would travel around the state and play at prisons and schools and other semi-pro teams, My dad was the player/manager and they had one african american player who played second base, only one on any of the teams they ever played. At the end of the 1952 season they arranged to have a team dinner paid for by some of the sponsers as a way of thanking the players because they really got paid virtually nothing. The went to the nicest restaurant in Terre Haute, called the St. Mary’s supper club and were told at the front door that the “negro” could not come through the front door. My dad said, “Where’s the other door?” and the whole team went in the kitchen door and then out into the dining room from the kitchen. Meaningful story for a 8 year old white boy to hear in 1964.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. America is ruled over it like an army of steamrollers." It isn't "rolled", it's "ruled".
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 28, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
classy move from your dad.
There's magic in the ivy...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 28, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is very cool
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 28, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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