Don't Panic: Cubs 7, Astros 9

Really. Don't. Yes, the Cubs lost their fourth in a row, 9-7 to the Astros in 11 innings last night, the first time they've lost that many in a row at home since May 20-June 2, 2007 (one game to the White Sox, then a road trip, then six more home losses to Florida and Atlanta), ending on the day Lou had his famous hat-throwing tirade with umpire Mark Wegner in a loss to the Braves.
But. Thanks to the Mets' extra-inning win over the Brewers, the Cubs' lead stays at 4.5 games and the magic number was reduced to 20. Now, I did say I'd post it here once it got to 20, but it just doesn't feel right to do that after a loss like last night's. Win tonight, right the ship, and the number will appear on the right sidebar tomorrow.
Some are going to try to make comparisons between this losing streak -- the second four-game streak of the season -- and what happened to the 2004 Cubs in the final week, when they self-destructed while in the driver's seat to the wild card. Nothing of the sort is true. That dysfunctional team was too busy calling the broadcast booth and having poor managerial decisions made to win. The personnel is different -- only four players remain (Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez, Carlos Zambrano and Kerry Wood) and so is the manager.
What's happening to the Cubs this week is, I think, more comparable to what happened to the 2005 White Sox. That team was 87-51 on September 7 with a 9.5 game lead in the AL Central. With 24 games to go they had reduced their division magic number to 14. They then proceeded to lose... four in a row, and ten of 14, reducing their division lead to 1.5 games before righting their ship and ... well, you know what they did that October. The other difference is that when the Sox got cold, their pursuers, the Indians, suddenly were the hottest team in baseball -- from Sept. 5, 2005 through Sept. 24, they went 17-2, before dropping six of their last seven. You could also look at the 2006 Cardinals, who everyone remembers as "just" squeaking into the postseason with a mediocre 83-78 record. But they were 80-69 with a 7 game lead and a magic number of six with 13 games left. They lost seven in a row and eight of nine, reducing their lead to only a half game, before clinching on the last day of the season, and you all know what happened to them in the postseason.
I don't think the Cubs will have anything like that happen to them -- after all, the Brewers have also lost the first two games of their series at home -- so don't panic. I don't see the players or the manager panicking, and Lou says:
"Did anybody think this was going to be real easy?" Piniella said. "You didn't hear that from me all year, have you? We're in a stretch now where things aren't going our way. We've got to keep playing and keep battling and keep our confidence, and that's it."
Exactly. (Although, "You didn't hear that from me all year, have you?" isn't exactly the King's English.)
However.
I thought Lou made several dodgy managing decisions last night:
- Sending Bob Howry out again in a "keep it close" situation -- and he once again failed, allowing five straight Astros to reach base. Four of them scored, making the Cubs' comeback task very difficult. Presuming the Cubs do right the ship and make the playoffs, I suspect Howry pitched himself off the postseason roster last night.
- Double-switching Jim Edmonds, who had hit the game-tying HR in the 7th, out of the game, even though the Astros are virtually all right-handed out of their pen (save for Wesley Wright, who threw the 9th and 10th).
- Asking Mark DeRosa to sacrifice in the bottom of the ninth. DeRo has 12 career sac's, two this year, and he's having a career year and had already homered last night. Let the guy hit!
- Sending up Casey McGehee to pinch-hit in the 9th, making his major league debut in a critical situation like that. This led to a number of really lame "Casey At The Bat" jokes in our group, and had McGehee actually done something positive, lines from that poem might have led this recap. Instead... well, the Cubs' not-so-mighty Casey did exactly what the guy from Mudville did.
- Leaving both Carlos Marmol (35 pitches) and Kerry Wood (40 pitches) in to throw two innings each, assuring that neither of them will be available tonight. This was only the third time all year that Wood threw two innings, and it showed when he gave up the game-winning HR to Geoff Blum... the first extra-inning HR he had hit in his career (well, except for the one in this World Series game, speaking as we were of the 2005 White Sox), and only the second HR Wood had allowed all year.
I think Lou has been great for this franchise in many ways. But last night, I think his moves, and non-moves, may have helped cost the Cubs the game. Jon Lieber sat on a folding chair through all four hours and seventeen minutes, finally warming up as the Cubs made one last valiant attempt to tie the game off Jose Valverde in the last of the 11th. Why wasn't Lieber in the game earlier? In long games like this, a guy like Lieber, who throws efficiently and doesn't walk people, could have thrown three innings, saving Wood for tonight.
It wasn't all Lou's fault. The Cubs hit into four double plays, killing rallies in the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 8th innings -- and one was Derrek Lee's 25th GIDP of the season, two short of Ron Santo's team record set in 1973 and five short of Brad Ausmus' NL record set in 2002. Those are two records I'd rather see Lee NOT set. And even with all that, the offense, which had been absent most of the homestand, pounded out fifteen hits (four homers) and drew eight walks and the Cubs survived three errors by Aramis Ramirez, who is normally about as sure-handed as they come (not one of the errors led to any Houston scoring).
The game was not sold out -- a large chunk of empty seats were in the LF lower deck, and the attendance of 39,846 was the smallest since May 30. Still, the crowd brought the season total to 3,014,301, the earliest date the Cubs have passed the 3 million mark. Many had left by the time Blum's HR was hit, a little after 11 pm Central time.
So. Where do we go from here? Z's arm is bothering him again and he'll have it checked out today, and that cannot be good news. Ryan Dempster has to step up tonight and stop the streak right here. And remember these words from an old '60s song:
And I think it's gonna be all right
Yeah, the worst is over now
The mornin' sun is shinin' like a red rubber ball -- "Red Rubber Ball", The Cyrkle
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Here come the jumpers...
Z…?
Arm…?
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Geronimo…
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Carey
by Archie on Sep 3, 2008 8:35 AM CDT 0 recs
Love the
signature line!
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on
Sep 3, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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Thanks.
Me too. One of my all time favorite Harry quotes. I didn’t remember exactly how it went until I saw it a couple of weeks ago in an article.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Carey
by Archie on
Sep 3, 2008 8:45 AM CDT
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It is a cool sig line...
…but you should probably correct the spelling of Harry’s last name.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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LOL
Oops. That’s funny. I’ll do it.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Carey
by Archie on
Sep 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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Try this...
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
by Archie on
Sep 3, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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Excellent, thanks!
No biggie – but little details like that tend to catch my eye. And I’m sure Harry would appreciate it.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 3, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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Must have been typing to fast
Like my momma used to say. Attenntion to Details is keey
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
by Archie on
Sep 3, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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I stayed last night 'til the bitter end...
It was a real depressing loss, especially after Edmonds’ blast tied it up. The highlight of the night had to have been for Casey Mcgehee. He got his first major league at-bat last night to a standing ovation, in a clutch situation, with the crowd chanting “Let’s-go-Casey!” My friend looked over at me, “No pressure, right?”
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Sep 3, 2008 8:37 AM CDT 0 recs
That chant was cool to hear on TV.
Sadly, Casey looked pretty overmatched in that AB. And, yes, the Mighty Casey struck out.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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Not really overmatched...
He only took the bat off his shoulder once… unfortunately it was for strike 3.
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on
Sep 3, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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He was really late on that last pitch.
I don’t want to dis the guy – I love seeing minor league guys get their big shot. But that seemed a prime example of how major league pitching differs from Triple A pitching.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 3, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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Close the bridges!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Sep 3, 2008 8:37 AM CDT 0 recs
Thanks Al
for keeping this into perspective. As I mentioned in another fanpost, " put the Cub hat on, took my daughter to school, and said enough of the negative thought"
This team is to damn good, they will get it going again. A tired lull right now, win tonight, get a day off, then take the series in Cinn.
I also have seen enough of Howry, goodness, no movement on his fastball, all his pitches appear to have the same speed.
I feel for Lee, he took the loss on his shoulders. He smoked the ball in the eighth, ( even though it appeared to be ball 2) and ends up in another DP.
Go Cubs
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Sep 3, 2008 8:38 AM CDT 0 recs
Howry
“all his pitches appear to have the same speed.” That’s because all his pitches are fastballs. He doesn’t throw anything else. When they don’t move, he gets smoked.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Carey
by Archie on
Sep 3, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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I posted last night
that the worst thing (non injury) about the loss is that both our closer and top setup man are unavailable tonight. Lou should have pulled Kerry as soon as he gave up the 2 run bomb. Now, if the game is close and late, we have the Shark and Guzman as our power arms. We don’t have Gaudin, We don’t have Wuertz. Shark has been a little shakey lately and Guzman…well he just came back.
Thank God for the Off day tomorrow….Here is to Dempster pitching 7/8 Strong Innings and the Offense plating some runs.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on Sep 3, 2008 8:39 AM CDT 0 recs
That's the most frustrating thing about last night
is how Lou just doesn’t get it. Al pointed to the WS winning teams who had their eyes on the ultimate prize. But when you throw Marmol and Wood 30+ innings, you aren’t thinking about winning in October.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Sep 3, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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30+ pitches, I think you meant.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 3, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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Yeah
Of course, throwing them for 30+ innings would be bad, too.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Sep 3, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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REALLY bad.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 3, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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I don't want any part of a game
where they both have to pitch 30+ innings
by chitownhawkeye on
Sep 3, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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From a friend's desk calendar:
The longest game by innings in MLB history was played on May 1, 1920, with Joe Oeschger of Boston and Leon Cadore of Brooklyn both going 26 innings as the Dodgers and Braves played to a 1-1 tie.
No, Dusty Baker wasn’t there.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 3, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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Frustrating Game
First time all season I’ve seen Lou make so many questionable decisions, most egregiously bringing Howry in. IMHO that’s what lost the game, not DPLee’s miserable at bats.
by Emelie on Sep 3, 2008 8:40 AM CDT 0 recs
+1
Although it would be nice if ANYONE can bring in a runner on 3rd with 1 out.
Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!
by wnielsen on
Sep 3, 2008 8:42 AM CDT
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Agree...
…when your hitters are leaving that many opportunities on the table, it tends to expose your manager and make it very difficult to win a game. Not to say that I was jumping for joy when Howry came in, but one fewer double play hit into probably wins this game for the Cubs.
This is one of those stretches where you just come up a little short. With good teams (like the Cubs) it will turn very quickly.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 3, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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I agree about the role of "luck"
in what’s been happening and needing to keep criticism muted in that context.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Sep 3, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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Agree Al,
abosolutely w/ each of your points on Lou’s managing last night. The bullpen moves were puzzling. I can understand inserting Howry b/c Zambrano left abruptly, but after the first two batters reached, he should have had someone up, and made the switch away from Bobby. Bob Brenly openly questioned Howry’s location last night, specifically to Wiggington, who swings freely.
Fontenot must play more often, he is a clutch hitter.
As a 3 hole hitter, Lee must choose a pitch he can hit in the air. He hit the ball hard, but chose a pitch, early in the count, that was down in the zone.
Alas, the batters hit the ball well, walked a ton, and will start to hit in the clutch again soon. The Astros are playing good ball right now, they are certainly a 2nd half team.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
by Slakkr on Sep 3, 2008 8:42 AM CDT 0 recs
Lou's decision to bat Casey
was more storybook than an actual thought through process. First MLB official at bat of his career? What pressure. I bet Lou wished he had that one back. As always, hindsight is……
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Sep 3, 2008 8:43 AM CDT 0 recs
And guess what?
If he hadn’t double-switched Edmonds out of the game, that would have been his batting order slot.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 3, 2008 8:46 AM CDT
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LHP on the mound.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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thanks
i knew there was a reason, just couldn’t remember
by cubswynn on
Sep 3, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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What I don't understand re Howry
is that he is continuously allowed to try to finish an inning even after he gives up a couple hits/runs. More often than not he is not able to pitch himself out of jams anymore. How you do not have someone warming up when he goes into the game is beyond me. I would be completely OK if he were DFA’d today.
Lee is almost as frustrating. He has virtually no clutchness left in him huh?
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on Sep 3, 2008 8:46 AM CDT 0 recs
He has to swap with A-Ram
I truly believe having Lee hit at #4 would be beneficial. Aramis has 100 RIB’s for a reason.
by ak123 on
Sep 3, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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I wouldn't mind seeing...
…Soto or even Edmonds (against righties) get some time in the 4th slot. Move Ramirez up to 3rd and put Lee in the 5 hole.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 3, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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Soto can step up
just as he did in the playoffs last year. I don’t know that big changes like dropping your #3 hitter down when he’s a team leader are something you do at this point in the season, but Soto is on his way to being the face of the franchise and at some point, he’s going to earn the #3 or #4 spot.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Sep 3, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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I agree...
…on the issue of Lee being a team leader. It’s really not unlike starting a Dempster or Harden in game one of a playoff instead of Z (when Z has paid his dues for a long time).
It’s a delicate balance, and eventually, you have to do what puts the club in the best position to win.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 3, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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Yes!
After the first three guys got on, I was saying to myself: “take him out, take him out, take him out”
by Mapmaker on
Sep 3, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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"Man, they can't even hear me through this glass."
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 3, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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"For five dollars, I'll BE a macadamia nut!"
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 3, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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Take him out!!!!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Sep 3, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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I got's to go smell me a hotdog...
hopefully they Cubs will smell what winning is like tonight. Funny how things change. 5+ weeks ago they had this obscene home record and were nine under on the road. Now they have trouble at home and have gone 13/14 on the road. Maybe this nine game trip will really show what these guys are made of once and for all.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on
Sep 3, 2008 1:15 PM CDT
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howry is my new paul bako
i have no faith in him anymore and that’s coming from a pretty patient guy
the reason you don’t dfa him, is at this point you might as well keep him around so he doesn’t go somewhere else and help them (or maybe we should trade him to the brewers, NOW)
by cubswynn on
Sep 3, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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DFA or release...
… pointless with expanded rosters. Just sit him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 3, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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Fine
but 82 hits, 40 ER, OPP BA .312 and a 5.62 ERA should warrant that we bolt him down to the bullpen bench so he doesn’t get into any more critical games/situations.
Go ahead, Z me.
by tony412 on
Sep 3, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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Agreed.
I’ll supply the nails and bolts.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 3, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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Worse part about Howry
Is that every time he seems to turn the corner he gives up a game like this. It sucks.
Yet oddly enough I feel like everytime he has a bad game we seem to tie it up again and more often than not win…
by ak123 on
Sep 3, 2008 9:06 AM CDT
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i couldn't believe the way BB was blasting him last night
by cubswynn on
Sep 3, 2008 9:10 AM CDT
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i had Houston broadcast on TV
So I didn’t hear that. Well it’s frustrating for the announcers to also see a game like this.
by ak123 on
Sep 3, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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the jist of it was
on a 1-2 count, you can’t do what howry has been doing lately….THROWING EFFIN FASTBALLS DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLATE!!!!!! UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH
by cubswynn on
Sep 3, 2008 9:20 AM CDT
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more like boots and cement
"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella
by derv on
Sep 3, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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I can't understand why Lou hasn't done this with Howry.
My only guess is Lou sees a couple of scoreless outings from Bob and thinks, “He’s got it! He’s got it!” Well, it’s September and it’s clear that he ain’t got it. And now that the rosters have expanded Lou has plenty of other options.
It’s time write off Howry as a veteran reliever who’s done some good work for the club in years past – and a standup guy – but who is now, simply, ineffective. Whether this is the end of Howry’s career is hard to say, but I think it’s time to severely limit his opportunities to contribute to this team on the field.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 3, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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My problem with that inning
was that Lou managed that particular inning like it was a blow out loss or we were way ahead. He did not manage that one particular inning like it was a tie game. It was like he did not want to burn another bullpen arm…the damn roster has been expanded…you have extra arms.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on
Sep 3, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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This is one of the FEW things I worry about.
Some of Lou’s decisions are beyond me.
Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.
by Jayo525 on
Sep 3, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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Lou trusts Howry.
That’s why.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on
Sep 3, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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Lou is afraid of Howry.
"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella
by derv on
Sep 3, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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He is stronger than Lou
…it was a joke, but I have heard him remark a couple of times that he would not want to be on the receiving end of a Howry punch.
"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella
by derv on
Sep 3, 2008 11:51 AM CDT
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Aren't we all?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 3, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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Yes, but what is the basis for that trust?
Howry’s reputation? My only guess is that I’ve heard Lou say several times during the pregame that he has no patience for relief pitchers who don’t throw strikes and that he’d rather see a guy get hit hard than give up walks. He’s also said that major league hitters get paid to hit, not draw walks, so a pitcher should make them earn their pay.
Now if there’s one thing Howry does do right, it’s throw strikes – he’s given up only 10 walks in 64 IP this season. And I certainly see the logic – theoretically, at least – in Lou’s statement. But come on – how many batting practice line drives with runners in scoring position does Howry have to give up before Lou sees the light?
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 3, 2008 11:39 AM CDT
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The problem is...his pitches
Have about as much movement as Willard (God Rest his Soul) had before he met Kevin Bacon.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on
Sep 3, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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Is that a Footloose reference?
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 3, 2008 12:06 PM CDT
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You betcha....
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on
Sep 3, 2008 2:03 PM CDT
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