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Don't Panic: Cubs 7, Astros 9

Really. Don't. Yes, the Cubs lost their fourth in a row, 9-7 to the Astros in 11 innings last night, the first time they've lost that many in a row at home since May 20-June 2, 2007 (one game to the White Sox, then a road trip, then six more home losses to Florida and Atlanta), ending on the day Lou had his famous hat-throwing tirade with umpire Mark Wegner in a loss to the Braves.

But. Thanks to the Mets' extra-inning win over the Brewers, the Cubs' lead stays at 4.5 games and the magic number was reduced to 20. Now, I did say I'd post it here once it got to 20, but it just doesn't feel right to do that after a loss like last night's. Win tonight, right the ship, and the number will appear on the right sidebar tomorrow.

Some are going to try to make comparisons between this losing streak -- the second four-game streak of the season -- and what happened to the 2004 Cubs in the final week, when they self-destructed while in the driver's seat to the wild card. Nothing of the sort is true. That dysfunctional team was too busy calling the broadcast booth and having poor managerial decisions made to win. The personnel is different -- only four players remain (Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez, Carlos Zambrano and Kerry Wood) and so is the manager.

What's happening to the Cubs this week is, I think, more comparable to what happened to the 2005 White Sox. That team was 87-51 on September 7 with a 9.5 game lead in the AL Central. With 24 games to go they had reduced their division magic number to 14. They then proceeded to lose... four in a row, and ten of 14, reducing their division lead to 1.5 games before righting their ship and ... well, you know what they did that October. The other difference is that when the Sox got cold, their pursuers, the Indians, suddenly were the hottest team in baseball -- from Sept. 5, 2005 through Sept. 24, they went 17-2, before dropping six of their last seven. You could also look at the 2006 Cardinals, who everyone remembers as "just" squeaking into the postseason with a mediocre 83-78 record. But they were 80-69 with a 7 game lead and a magic number of six with 13 games left. They lost seven in a row and eight of nine, reducing their lead to only a half game, before clinching on the last day of the season, and you all know what happened to them in the postseason.

I don't think the Cubs will have anything like that happen to them -- after all, the Brewers have also lost the first two games of their series at home -- so don't panic. I don't see the players or the manager panicking, and Lou says:

"Did anybody think this was going to be real easy?" Piniella said. "You didn't hear that from me all year, have you? We're in a stretch now where things aren't going our way. We've got to keep playing and keep battling and keep our confidence, and that's it."

Exactly. (Although, "You didn't hear that from me all year, have you?" isn't exactly the King's English.)

However.

I thought Lou made several dodgy managing decisions last night:

  • Sending Bob Howry out again in a "keep it close" situation -- and he once again failed, allowing five straight Astros to reach base. Four of them scored, making the Cubs' comeback task very difficult. Presuming the Cubs do right the ship and make the playoffs, I suspect Howry pitched himself off the postseason roster last night.
  • Double-switching Jim Edmonds, who had hit the game-tying HR in the 7th, out of the game, even though the Astros are virtually all right-handed out of their pen (save for Wesley Wright, who threw the 9th and 10th).
  • Asking Mark DeRosa to sacrifice in the bottom of the ninth. DeRo has 12 career sac's, two this year, and he's having a career year and had already homered last night. Let the guy hit!
  • Sending up Casey McGehee to pinch-hit in the 9th, making his major league debut in a critical situation like that. This led to a number of really lame "Casey At The Bat" jokes in our group, and had McGehee actually done something positive, lines from that poem might have led this recap. Instead... well, the Cubs' not-so-mighty Casey did exactly what the guy from Mudville did.
  • Leaving both Carlos Marmol (35 pitches) and Kerry Wood (40 pitches) in to throw two innings each, assuring that neither of them will be available tonight. This was only the third time all year that Wood threw two innings, and it showed when he gave up the game-winning HR to Geoff Blum... the first extra-inning HR he had hit in his career (well, except for the one in this World Series game, speaking as we were of the 2005 White Sox), and only the second HR Wood had allowed all year.

I think Lou has been great for this franchise in many ways. But last night, I think his moves, and non-moves, may have helped cost the Cubs the game. Jon Lieber sat on a folding chair through all four hours and seventeen minutes, finally warming up as the Cubs made one last valiant attempt to tie the game off Jose Valverde in the last of the 11th. Why wasn't Lieber in the game earlier? In long games like this, a guy like Lieber, who throws efficiently and doesn't walk people, could have thrown three innings, saving Wood for tonight.

It wasn't all Lou's fault. The Cubs hit into four double plays, killing rallies in the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 8th innings -- and one was Derrek Lee's 25th GIDP of the season, two short of Ron Santo's team record set in 1973 and five short of Brad Ausmus' NL record set in 2002. Those are two records I'd rather see Lee NOT set. And even with all that, the offense, which had been absent most of the homestand, pounded out fifteen hits (four homers) and drew eight walks and the Cubs survived three errors by Aramis Ramirez, who is normally about as sure-handed as they come (not one of the errors led to any Houston scoring).

The game was not sold out -- a large chunk of empty seats were in the LF lower deck, and the attendance of 39,846 was the smallest since May 30. Still, the crowd brought the season total to 3,014,301, the earliest date the Cubs have passed the 3 million mark. Many had left by the time Blum's HR was hit, a little after 11 pm Central time.

So. Where do we go from here? Z's arm is bothering him again and he'll have it checked out today, and that cannot be good news. Ryan Dempster has to step up tonight and stop the streak right here. And remember these words from an old '60s song:

And I think it's gonna be all right
Yeah, the worst is over now
The mornin' sun is shinin' like a red rubber ball -- "Red Rubber Ball", The Cyrkle

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"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Sep 3, 2008 8:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here come the jumpers...

Z…?
Arm…?

Geronimo…

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Carey

by Archie on Sep 3, 2008 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Love the

signature line!

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Sep 3, 2008 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

Me too. One of my all time favorite Harry quotes. I didn’t remember exactly how it went until I saw it a couple of weeks ago in an article.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Carey

by Archie on Sep 3, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is a cool sig line...

…but you should probably correct the spelling of Harry’s last name.

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Oops. That’s funny. I’ll do it.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Carey

by Archie on Sep 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try this...

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Sep 3, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent, thanks!

No biggie – but little details like that tend to catch my eye. And I’m sure Harry would appreciate it.

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Must have been typing to fast

Like my momma used to say. Attenntion to Details is keey

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Sep 3, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stayed last night 'til the bitter end...

It was a real depressing loss, especially after Edmonds’ blast tied it up. The highlight of the night had to have been for Casey Mcgehee. He got his first major league at-bat last night to a standing ovation, in a clutch situation, with the crowd chanting “Let’s-go-Casey!” My friend looked over at me, “No pressure, right?”

"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."

by CubsBullsBears on Sep 3, 2008 8:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That chant was cool to hear on TV.

Sadly, Casey looked pretty overmatched in that AB. And, yes, the Mighty Casey struck out.

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really overmatched...

He only took the bat off his shoulder once… unfortunately it was for strike 3.

"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."

by CubsBullsBears on Sep 3, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was really late on that last pitch.

I don’t want to dis the guy – I love seeing minor league guys get their big shot. But that seemed a prime example of how major league pitching differs from Triple A pitching.

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Close the bridges!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Sep 3, 2008 8:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Al

for keeping this into perspective. As I mentioned in another fanpost, " put the Cub hat on, took my daughter to school, and said enough of the negative thought"
 This team is to damn good, they will get it going again. A tired lull right now, win tonight, get a day off, then take the series in Cinn.
 I also have seen enough of Howry, goodness, no movement on his fastball, all his pitches appear to have the same speed.
 I feel for Lee, he took the loss on his shoulders. He smoked the ball in the eighth, ( even though it appeared to be ball 2) and ends up in another DP.
 Go Cubs

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Sep 3, 2008 8:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Howry

“all his pitches appear to have the same speed.” That’s because all his pitches are fastballs. He doesn’t throw anything else. When they don’t move, he gets smoked.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Carey

by Archie on Sep 3, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posted last night

that the worst thing (non injury) about the loss is that both our closer and top setup man are unavailable tonight. Lou should have pulled Kerry as soon as he gave up the 2 run bomb. Now, if the game is close and late, we have the Shark and Guzman as our power arms. We don’t have Gaudin, We don’t have Wuertz. Shark has been a little shakey lately and Guzman…well he just came back.

Thank God for the Off day tomorrow….Here is to Dempster pitching 7/8 Strong Innings and the Offense plating some runs.

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Sep 3, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's the most frustrating thing about last night

is how Lou just doesn’t get it. Al pointed to the WS winning teams who had their eyes on the ultimate prize. But when you throw Marmol and Wood 30+ innings, you aren’t thinking about winning in October.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

30+ pitches, I think you meant.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Of course, throwing them for 30+ innings would be bad, too.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

REALLY bad.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want any part of a game

where they both have to pitch 30+ innings

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 3, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From a friend's desk calendar:

The longest game by innings in MLB history was played on May 1, 1920, with Joe Oeschger of Boston and Leon Cadore of Brooklyn both going 26 innings as the Dodgers and Braves played to a 1-1 tie.

No, Dusty Baker wasn’t there.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 3, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frustrating Game

First time all season I’ve seen Lou make so many questionable decisions, most egregiously bringing Howry in. IMHO that’s what lost the game, not DPLee’s miserable at bats.

by Emelie on Sep 3, 2008 8:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Although it would be nice if ANYONE can bring in a runner on 3rd with 1 out.

Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Sep 3, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree...

…when your hitters are leaving that many opportunities on the table, it tends to expose your manager and make it very difficult to win a game. Not to say that I was jumping for joy when Howry came in, but one fewer double play hit into probably wins this game for the Cubs.

This is one of those stretches where you just come up a little short. With good teams (like the Cubs) it will turn very quickly.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 3, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree about the role of "luck"

in what’s been happening and needing to keep criticism muted in that context.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree Al,

abosolutely w/ each of your points on Lou’s managing last night. The bullpen moves were puzzling. I can understand inserting Howry b/c Zambrano left abruptly, but after the first two batters reached, he should have had someone up, and made the switch away from Bobby. Bob Brenly openly questioned Howry’s location last night, specifically to Wiggington, who swings freely.

Fontenot must play more often, he is a clutch hitter.

As a 3 hole hitter, Lee must choose a pitch he can hit in the air. He hit the ball hard, but chose a pitch, early in the count, that was down in the zone.

Alas, the batters hit the ball well, walked a ton, and will start to hit in the clutch again soon. The Astros are playing good ball right now, they are certainly a 2nd half team.

"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will

by Slakkr on Sep 3, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lou's decision to bat Casey

was more storybook than an actual thought through process. First MLB official at bat of his career? What pressure. I bet Lou wished he had that one back. As always, hindsight is……

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Sep 3, 2008 8:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And guess what?

If he hadn’t double-switched Edmonds out of the game, that would have been his batting order slot.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LHP on the mound.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

i knew there was a reason, just couldn’t remember

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I don't understand re Howry

is that he is continuously allowed to try to finish an inning even after he gives up a couple hits/runs. More often than not he is not able to pitch himself out of jams anymore. How you do not have someone warming up when he goes into the game is beyond me. I would be completely OK if he were DFA’d today.

Lee is almost as frustrating. He has virtually no clutchness left in him huh?

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Sep 3, 2008 8:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He has to swap with A-Ram

I truly believe having Lee hit at #4 would be beneficial. Aramis has 100 RIB’s for a reason.

by ak123 on Sep 3, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't mind seeing...

…Soto or even Edmonds (against righties) get some time in the 4th slot. Move Ramirez up to 3rd and put Lee in the 5 hole.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 3, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soto can step up

just as he did in the playoffs last year. I don’t know that big changes like dropping your #3 hitter down when he’s a team leader are something you do at this point in the season, but Soto is on his way to being the face of the franchise and at some point, he’s going to earn the #3 or #4 spot.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

…on the issue of Lee being a team leader. It’s really not unlike starting a Dempster or Harden in game one of a playoff instead of Z (when Z has paid his dues for a long time).

It’s a delicate balance, and eventually, you have to do what puts the club in the best position to win.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 3, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes!

After the first three guys got on, I was saying to myself: “take him out, take him out, take him out”

by Mapmaker on Sep 3, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Man, they can't even hear me through this glass."

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"For five dollars, I'll BE a macadamia nut!"

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take him out!!!!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got's to go smell me a hotdog...

hopefully they Cubs will smell what winning is like tonight. Funny how things change. 5+ weeks ago they had this obscene home record and were nine under on the road. Now they have trouble at home and have gone 13/14 on the road. Maybe this nine game trip will really show what these guys are made of once and for all.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Sep 3, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

howry is my new paul bako

i have no faith in him anymore and that’s coming from a pretty patient guy

the reason you don’t dfa him, is at this point you might as well keep him around so he doesn’t go somewhere else and help them (or maybe we should trade him to the brewers, NOW)

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DFA or release...

… pointless with expanded rosters. Just sit him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine

but 82 hits, 40 ER, OPP BA .312 and a 5.62 ERA should warrant that we bolt him down to the bullpen bench so he doesn’t get into any more critical games/situations.

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Sep 3, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I’ll supply the nails and bolts.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Worse part about Howry

Is that every time he seems to turn the corner he gives up a game like this. It sucks.

Yet oddly enough I feel like everytime he has a bad game we seem to tie it up again and more often than not win…

by ak123 on Sep 3, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i had Houston broadcast on TV

So I didn’t hear that. Well it’s frustrating for the announcers to also see a game like this.

by ak123 on Sep 3, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the jist of it was

on a 1-2 count, you can’t do what howry has been doing lately….THROWING EFFIN FASTBALLS DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLATE!!!!!! UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

more like boots and cement

"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella

by derv on Sep 3, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't understand why Lou hasn't done this with Howry.

My only guess is Lou sees a couple of scoreless outings from Bob and thinks, “He’s got it! He’s got it!” Well, it’s September and it’s clear that he ain’t got it. And now that the rosters have expanded Lou has plenty of other options.

It’s time write off Howry as a veteran reliever who’s done some good work for the club in years past – and a standup guy – but who is now, simply, ineffective. Whether this is the end of Howry’s career is hard to say, but I think it’s time to severely limit his opportunities to contribute to this team on the field.

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My problem with that inning

was that Lou managed that particular inning like it was a blow out loss or we were way ahead. He did not manage that one particular inning like it was a tie game. It was like he did not want to burn another bullpen arm…the damn roster has been expanded…you have extra arms.

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Sep 3, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is one of the FEW things I worry about.

Some of Lou’s decisions are beyond me.

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Sep 3, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou trusts Howry.

That’s why.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou is afraid of Howry.

"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella

by derv on Sep 3, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is stronger than Lou

…it was a joke, but I have heard him remark a couple of times that he would not want to be on the receiving end of a Howry punch.

"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella

by derv on Sep 3, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't we all?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 3, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but what is the basis for that trust?

Howry’s reputation? My only guess is that I’ve heard Lou say several times during the pregame that he has no patience for relief pitchers who don’t throw strikes and that he’d rather see a guy get hit hard than give up walks. He’s also said that major league hitters get paid to hit, not draw walks, so a pitcher should make them earn their pay.

Now if there’s one thing Howry does do right, it’s throw strikes – he’s given up only 10 walks in 64 IP this season. And I certainly see the logic – theoretically, at least – in Lou’s statement. But come on – how many batting practice line drives with runners in scoring position does Howry have to give up before Lou sees the light?

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is...his pitches

Have about as much movement as Willard (God Rest his Soul) had before he met Kevin Bacon.

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Sep 3, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that a Footloose reference?

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You betcha....

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Sep 3, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou's gut?

Lou has his guys. Howry is one of his guys.

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by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard for me to believe the answer is that simple.

But maybe it is.

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I think you're right about why he's one of Lou's guys

but remember Theriot last year. Theriot was one of his guys and a demonstrable drag on the team and Lou kept playing him.

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by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou...

…won’t be right 100% of the time and neither will any other manager.

The overall judgements he has made with players has been pretty damn good since 07.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 3, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

using it now.....

……daddy likes….gonna take a while to get use to, but anything with the google brand name is okay by me

p.s. i love the spell check tool, however i think it’s funny that google comes up as a misspelled word haha

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Using Firefox

but DL’d Chrome last night to check out. neet program but I’ll probably stick with mozilla because of the add-ons and security.

After I hit a home run I had a habit of running the bases with my head down. I figured the pitcher already felt bad enough without me showing him up rounding the bases. ~Mickey Mantle

by Jettero2112 on Sep 3, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still the beta version

Other options will be made available later but from the looks of it, should compete well with the other browsers out there, specially if you already use other Google products (gmail, talk, picassa, search).

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Sep 3, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

3.0 is supposed to fix a lot of that

but it doesn’t yet work with a lot of important plugins (AdBlock Plus is one).

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Sep 3, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

3.0

didn’t eat all my RAM, but it DID eat all my CPU.

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by drewishdrewid on Sep 3, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently 3.1 will be the next great thing....

With the new Tracemonkey javascript speedup…..we’ll see…in the meantime, I’m going to be slowly moving to chrome—especially when they get a Linux version up, and plugins (like delicious) work….

by zevkalman on Sep 3, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm using 3.0...

…with AdBlock Plus as we speak (type!)

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by The Lip on Sep 3, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used it yesterday

it handled the game thread pretty well, till near the end.

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by drewishdrewid on Sep 3, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

noob Q

It imported my bookmarks, but where the hell are they?

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Sep 3, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

upper right corner has bookmark link

just click on it

After I hit a home run I had a habit of running the bases with my head down. I figured the pitcher already felt bad enough without me showing him up rounding the bases. ~Mickey Mantle

by Jettero2112 on Sep 3, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks everyone

there was no “bookmarks bar” at all…just had to find it and set it to “always view” before I could see “other bookmarks”

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.

by JohnM on Sep 3, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I too made the swith from Firefox to Chrome today

very quick. Leave it to Google to beat the pants off of Satan, errr… Microsoft.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to my numbers

the Cubs have lost 3 games once and now 4 games twice in a row. Every other loss was either a single or two in a row. When was the last time you could say that about the Cubs? Al’s got it right with the Hitchhiker logo. At least the magic number isn’t 42.

After I hit a home run I had a habit of running the bases with my head down. I figured the pitcher already felt bad enough without me showing him up rounding the bases. ~Mickey Mantle

by Jettero2112 on Sep 3, 2008 8:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, there's nothing to worry about.

the cubs are a bunch of hoopy froods who know where their towels are.

by nathew on Sep 3, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rains it pours...............

This is only the second game all year that had me seeing red (kerry wood blown save against the cardinals in July was the first). This one though really sets me off. Lou was completly missfiring tonight. D LEE CANNOT hit into to that DP in the 8th. We have no bullpen for tomorrow putting even more pressure on Dempster to end the streak. Soriano in the ninth (i think) showing great discipline hacking at the first pitch with runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs. No consideration of moving runners over. I see Puljols give up ab’s to mover runners over. Sori is no freaking puljols. Anyway, this one fires me up. And on top of it Big Z. Call me a ledge jumper or whatever, i’m just seeing red today. And all of this the playoffs are a foregone conclusion is crap (probably accurate) but crap.

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 8:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 on Sori

1st and 2nd – no outs. I think it was the 10th inning. Please find a way to move the runners over.

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by wnielsen on Sep 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thought process at the time in 10th

was you were willing to give up an out to get Theriot to second. Why not put the take on Soriano for at least two pitches and try the double steal. I now he is the all star and whatever, but at some point he have to try to the little things to win. Worst case scenario, you still have a runner at second and one out…same scenario you were trying for when dome was asked to bunt. I know that potentially takes the bat out of Soriano’s hand with 1st base open, but I think it was a worthwhile gamble to take at the time. They are not going to throw to second so Dome does not have to get a great jump off the lefty…

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Sep 3, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, whisper............

don’t let the Sori apologists here you suggesting that he doesn’t do the little things. Keep that quiet man!

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fine

as a sori apologizer, he probably could have done that…..but who didn’t mess up last night? seemed like EVERYONE came up short somewhere

rami’s 3 errors
dlee double play
woody giving up the hr
howry ’nuf said
dero not putting down a good bunt

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm indifferent on that one to be honest........

plus he just looks good even when screwing up.

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My biggest problem w/ having Dero, and later

Dome given the bunt sign is that they both followed BB’s of the 4 or 5 pitch variety from a pitcher (Wesley Wright) who has a history of control problems. Giving the bunt sign takes the pressure off Wright to throw strikes. Dome did eventually walk after falling behind 0-2. Derosa is a selective hitter, let him take a pitch or 2 and see if he can get ahead in the count and keep the pressure on the pitcher

by philadelphiacub on Sep 3, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Dome singled

But your point is taken

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by Shanghai Badger on Sep 3, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point was

not so much to bash Sori. I did not expect him to bunt or get the runner to third (w/o hitting into a DP). The point was I thought they should have tried the double steal. In order to do that, Sori would have had to take at least one pitch if not two. Worst case scenario is that you have the runner on Second with 1 out and Soriano in an 0-1 or 0-2 count. Now, if the steal is successful, then you probably take the bat out of Soriano’s hand since they would walk the bases loaded to setup the force. However, you then have the infield in, bases loaded, you have to hope that somebody, anybody can get that guy in.

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Sep 3, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

and i’m just saying there were a lot of things we could have done better/different last night, not just that one play

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as doing things different.........

I should have started by never turning that damn game on.

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...or watching until the end. now I don't feel like going tonight

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by derv on Sep 3, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're suggesting

that he didn’t try to move the runners.

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by drewishdrewid on Sep 3, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it was a question of trying to move the runners. I don't

think he really thinks about that. He tries to hit the ball out of the ballpark. That’s what he is paid to do.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2 on Sori

He needs to get those runners over… some how… some way!

Eamus Catuli!

by wrigley_boy on Sep 3, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My jaw dropped when DeRo squared around to bunt...

…that was really inexplicable. He is the hottest hitter on your team.

Bob Howry is done, period.

I love D Lee, but right now I cant bear to watch him at the plate with RISP. It almost seems like he knows he is going to GIDP.

Dempster will right the ship and we will get back on track tonight.

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Sep 3, 2008 8:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thinking the same thing about D Lee

It is scary when you completely do not trust your number three hitter in RBI situations. And then he goes and swings at a ball low and in with a guy having control problems. Make him throw you a pitch up in the zone and give a few pitches to prove he won’t.

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

He really seems to be tired and pressing right now. I hate that Pinella seems absolutely dead set against moving him down in the order. At the very least, it might take some pressure off of him.

by bluekoolaide on Sep 3, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or it might put more pressure on not only Lee

but whomever takes the 3 spot over. If Lee had batted in other spots earlier in the season, it would be different. Some things Lou has set and they are where they are.

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by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even though I want him moved down

I think the only way that’s going to happen is if Lee offers to move down the rotation and I wouldn’t completely put that past him.

by ak123 on Sep 3, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh god

Lee is getting moved to the rotation? i hope you’re talking about Cliff

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow I need to proofread :)

You know what I meant. Move down in the battling line up.

by ak123 on Sep 3, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Lee is under pressure off the field...

…with the family stuff…? Something seems to have his mind off of the task at hand.

"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella

by derv on Sep 3, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um... maybe his back still hurts

and maybe he’s actually been hitting well over the past ten days, just not in the highest pressure situations. You can’t hit them all, especially when Wright hit his spot precisely.

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by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For me, thenost frustrating thing about DLee this season

is his refusal to situational hit. His swing produces hard-hit grounders and line drives. With his height, he is more often to hit on top of the ball. In a situation like last night in the eighth, you pick a ball up in the zone and hit a fly ball. His approachhas been successful in the past, but is doesn’t make sense to do the same thing and expect different results.
If you hit ground balls, you have to hit them between the fielders to be successful and that takes luck. In that situation, you want to remove that element of luck out of play.

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt...

…he refuses to situationally hit, I think he is just not quite the hitter we saw when he had his big year in 05 (which set expectations too high).

I don’t know what it is, but his swing just doesn’t seem as crisp as it once was. If he has lost a little bat speed, that can make you press and try and do too much.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 3, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the move - unexpected

He just tried to take an inside pitch and still push it towards 1B. With a Southpaw on the mound, pushing it to 1B would have been great.

I’m much more worried that D-Lee has a mechanical issue that Perry can’t correct. I swear he’s pulling off too early and rolling over the top; trying to pull everything he sees.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Sep 3, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about Magic # to get into post season

Al, I’m one of the few who wouldn’t want magic numbers on the site. However, what if we posted the # to get into the post season? I believe that’s like 15 or 14? That might appease some people on here?

by ak123 on Sep 3, 2008 8:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to do that at all, actually.

The Cubs shouldn’t be aiming at the wild card. I’ll post the division magic # after the next win.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I agree with you but I guess the way I’m looking at it is I’ll sleep better knowing when they get to October, not which place they get into October.

by ak123 on Sep 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Usually I'd agree with you.

But this year, with home field seemingly meaning more than ever, I want the Cubs to have it for the NL rounds.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Carey

by Archie on Sep 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aramis will be ok

yeah, he had 3 errors and looked tired. But, all 3 errors were on tough plays. Yes, all errors, but each play was going to be difficult to get the guy. He’s the least of our problems. It’s Z that bothers me.

Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!

by Ihatethecards on Sep 3, 2008 8:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The first error was the worst.

He pretty much waved at the ball going by.

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by Al on Sep 3, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the third was an error

however what do you really expect out of him there?

he had three possible outcomes

1. throw the ball, make a amazing play and we all love him
2. hold on to the ball and people on here beat him up for not trying
3. throw the ball and make an error for putting forth a good effot

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with both of you

I guess seeing it on TV, I thought that the first one was pretty tough as well.

Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!

by Ihatethecards on Sep 3, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hank White pinch hitting for Fontenot...............Really?

I don’t care who is right or left handed (let Tony LaRussa play match up game) common sense tells me I want little babe ruth up there.

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 8:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was shaking my head at that one, too.

Current temperature in hell: 44 degrees F - and falling!

by wnielsen on Sep 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blanco has amazing #s v. LHP this year.

Fonty can’t hit LHP at all. It was the right play.

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by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

do we always have to play the odds?

i guess i’m more of a gambling man that goes with gut feelings….probably why lou’s actually managing and him typing on a blog

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well both the odds and my gut tell me to sit Fonty anytime a LHP is on the mound.

If your gut says different, here’s a bitter pill to swallow: Fonty career v. LHP: .217/.291/.333.

But I know what you mean – Fonty has come up big so often and Henry has been so ick with the bat so often that it seems like Fontenot would be the way to go.

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by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not disputing your stats............

but I don’t think Blanco does anything AMAZING. A bit of an overstatement.

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all, Henry is an amazing defensive catcher.

Second of all, Henry is hitting .319/.360/.447 against LHP this year, which is, I believe, still better than Aramis Ramirez v. LHP this year.

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by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the stats don't lie, and like someone said earlier..........

that is why we aren’t managing. But it felt wrong last night. Fonty SEEMS to step up.

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fonty does step up

when he hits v. RHP. And he seems to step up so often, because Lou has done a good job of putting him in situations where he can succeed. In that way, his use of Fontenot is the exact opposite of his use of Cedeno.

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by DGU on Sep 3, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The upcoming off-day should help them

I’ve noticed throughout this year that when the Cubs have a long streak with no off-days, the last few games seem to be a bit of an adventure (even if they wind up winning them somehow). Playing something like 16 straight without a day off has to start to wear a little bit.

I have to think that bodes well for the post-season too, where off-days abound.

by SuperContext on Sep 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we leave Jimmy Ball Game in once in a while

I know he looked clueless for the past 2 weeks up an till his homerun, but he is a classic streak hitter and a big moment hitter. Give him a chance. OOOH I’m mad today.

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

anyone else think he should have caught that ball against the wall

i hold him to a higher defensive standard, it just seemed like a ball he coulda got….oh well

how about that other random ball popping out? i haven’t seen that happen in a LONG time

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he defintely is missing a step or two

someone needs to check the ivy for lice?

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and balls....

hehehe…. See that Pence drive off the wall that dislodged a 2nd ball from the ivy?

Go ahead, Z me.

by tony412 on Sep 3, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That ball hit pretty far up..........

………..in the ivy (or “ivory”, per Lou). Don’t see Hot Dog coming down with that.

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by tville on Sep 3, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dunno

i replayed it a couple times on my tivo and thought he could have gotten it

does that mean he should have? no

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If not for Howry...

…that would’ve been a 7-3 win. I was generally feeling better about him recently – he’d only given up 1 run in his last 7 innings and was looking like he might actually be a reliable arm down the stretch. I guess I was wrong.

Can we petetion MLB to award the loss to Howry rather than Wood?

"I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman

by hip2bsquare on Sep 3, 2008 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no kidding, wood is just an innocent bystander on this one...........

wood shouldn’t have been out there in the 11th anyway. In fact, if our number three hitter could cget under a ball once a month the game would have most likely been over 1 hour earlier.

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen on GDP Lee

I love the guy, but you would think at this point he would have a mental ’’take’" sign on anything around the knees with runners on base. He seems to be swinging at a lot of low/borderline pitches this year, and pulling them to the left side.

There are many things you can’t control at the plate, but you can generally have some idea of what you are going to swing at.

by cubmudgeon on Sep 3, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IS The Sky Really Falling ?

Lou ……. What are you thinking….. Howry, McGehee, Guzman…….
   …. 29 LOB WOW……. think of this…. 23 left 17 on the road 6 at home
I know we are playing better on the road…….. B U T

    I found out from Bud Light that Howry has a Cardinal tee under his Cub Uni

by nimblenikelfoos on Sep 3, 2008 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's 16 road, 7 home.

But the Cubs have actually played better on the road than at home the last month, WAY better.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Panic?

Who’s panicking?

/puts the hemlock away

Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.

by CyberCyclist on Sep 3, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Expect Guzman to get more work...

He looked good last night.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Sep 3, 2008 9:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Man I sound terrible today.........

my dad would have told me I need an attitude check

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh. all of us would.

I’m so fed up with Howry I could spit. Lou should have seen that he was gassed after his second pitch and pulled him. It’s not like he hasn’t done so with other pitchers. Hope last night taught Lou a lesson, or woke him up or whatever it takes to get him to admit the uselessness of that arm.

by Emelie on Sep 3, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not an MLB pitching coach

but Howry’s pitches don’t have any movement on them. Everything is straight. If major league hitters just have to sit on his fastball, he’s gonna get hit.

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Sep 3, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was glad to see Guzman out there...

…but it’s hard for me to say exactly how he looked. He threw 15 pitches – and only seven of them were strikes. He got the first two batters out relatively quickly – especially Punter Hence, who FO’d on the first pitch. Then he gave up a single and a walk.

All in all, he did OK, but let’s hope his wildness was first-day-back jitters and he can settle down more from here. He’s always had great stuff, and I’d love to see him play a big role in the bullpen going forward.

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too, but

Who knows how his arm will hold up. He hasn’t thrown back-to-back days all year, and coming off of surgery, it probably isn’t prudent to do so. Looking at his splits, he was getting 2-3 days of rest after bullpen appearances.

Still, I’d rather have his power arm than Howry’s dead arm.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 3, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I fully expect Guzman to make a huge impact this month, and hopefully in October

He can be a fourth bullpen weapon for Lou to have.

Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #6 1-0 (0-0). Next up Saturday home vs. SEMO. We might drop 100 points on them.

by nji232 on Sep 3, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, listening to the radio today on the way into work...

…even I had to laugh (and I AM nervous): all this THE SKY IS FALLING! crap. Come on. It’s Sept 3rd, and I’m NEVER the one to be on the ‘glass is half full’ side of this kind of stuff, but gimmie a break.

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on Sep 3, 2008 9:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

trust me

IF the cubs make the playoffs, I’ll be the first in line to recieve my spanking for panicking. But right now and last night was UGLY and with our rotation RESTING. It isn’t good right now.

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blame my wife

Or rather, she blames herself. Every time we come out to see the Cubs they swoon. This is her third or fourth series, and they’ve won exactly one game. In fact, she came out for the four game Reds series in 2004 where the Cubs let their season slip between their fingers. I told her we’re just coming out at bad times in the schedule (i.e. late when everybody’s tired) so it’s less than totally surprising that they might get stuck at the horse latitudes.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Sep 3, 2008 9:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

You guys are my friends. But I’m thinking you might need to stay away.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

If the Cubs make it to the WS, we’re staying away.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Sep 3, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Works for me!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Lou shot himself in the foot several times
  • The double switch to yank Edmonds — who had just homered! — made zero sense to me. One of the reasons I’m a big fan of the AL game is that it’s much more self-healing, that is, the manager has less of an opportunity to shoot himself in the foot without the hitting pitcher. This was, in my mind, a perfect example of that.
  • Installing McGehee as a pinch hitter with the game on the line in the ninth, and a man on first and one out. Just a wee bit too much pressure there for the kid’s first at-bat?
  • Failing to yank Howry after he surrendered his third baserunner and it was clear he had nothing.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Sep 3, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i usually get blasted for this but.....

When we lose like we did last night – Lou usually coaches very similar to dusty. And i really dont see how you could say any different last night.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Sep 3, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's done a great job for most of the year

so i guess even managers are allowed to have a bad night, right?

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

especially *this* manager

my admiration for Lou knows no bounds, but he’s human.

by Emelie on Sep 3, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely an unsettling number of "Dusty moments" last night

I guess every manager has his “pets” but Lou’s continuing to run Howry out there in key situations (and his refusal to even consider moving Lee in the order) is completely baffling to me.

by bluekoolaide on Sep 3, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally - i was just making a point.

:)

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Sep 3, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking mostly as an outsider

I can assure you that’s not true for the most part. I watch a fair number of Cubs games over the course of the year (my primary allegiance is to the Angels these days), but Dusty would have really mangled that game far worse. This is only the first game I can recall where he’s really blown it multiple times in the same game. His bullpen usage is generally better, his in-game strategy is almost always superior… one or two games you can forgive (though I would hope he pulls himself together tonight).

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Sep 3, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please re-read....

I am talking about losses like last night. Very very similar to Dusty, double switches, lefty vs. righty hitting, errors, overuse of the bullpen, bringing the wrong guys in. That is Dusty like. Sorry it is. Lets face it Lou over-managed last night.

Please dont take this as a Lou bashing, nor am i upset about the streak or last night, i am just saying he looked very similar to Dusty last night with some of his moves.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Sep 3, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are taking the Dusty bashing a bit

too far. Sure he blew a lot of games and played some guys that should have never left the bench, but ti say that he would have mangled this game far worse is ridiculous. Lou had a bad game, we all can acknowledge that. But to try to lessen the blow by saying that “Dusty would have done worse” is making a claim that has little merit. Many of the decisions that Lou made could have gone either way, but the experience of this year should have directed him to chose another alternative. Dusty has nothing to do with that. You can’t try and read the tea leaves and say "Dusty would have made a worse decision. Hell, what was worse than the outcome we got?

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody's trying to "lessen the blow"

Just saying. Maybe he wouldn’t have, but perhaps it’s fairer to say that there would be more of these types of games were Dusty still running things.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Sep 3, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can accept that. I just think to take this game that Lou

clearly made some bad decisions and claim that “Dusty would have done worse” is straying far from the point. We should be comparing Lou to his past performances, not to Dusty’s. The only common thread there is that they both managed this team. I just don’t see how that advances this discussion.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said it in the Fukudome bashing thread...

and i will say it here – the difference between us losing and winning right now are the clutch hits. They just are not there.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Sep 3, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hitting a weak sac fly isn't even a clutch hit..........

and we can’t even seem to get that accomplished right now

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remain calm

all is well.

"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945

by flyingdonut on Sep 3, 2008 9:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My thought

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Sep 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody likes a four-game losing streak

but things get magnified and blown out of proportion when it’s September instead of June. A win tonight and a day off are what the doctor is ordering…

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Sep 3, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets hope he's also ordering

a maximum 1 week rest for z…..fingers crossed

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This may be the first time we've ever said this on this board....

LETS GO METS!

"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945

by flyingdonut on Sep 3, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL - and +1

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on Sep 3, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In those situations

with D-Lee in the past it seemed that he would really try to drive the ball the other way. it appears now that he is getting into a streak of trying to pull hard and ends up hitting these tailor made DP’s.

On plus side it was good seeing the boys show some patience at the plate when we were down, its a sign that noone on the teams seems to be stressing about the recent games

Let go cubs

by cubsfaninkc on Sep 3, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, DLee's GIDP in the eighth inning...

…wasn’t exactly a “tailor made” double play. He hit the ball very hard down the line and Blum made a great play. I wish Derrek would start elevating the ball just as much as anyone but, in that particular case, it wasn’t like he hit a weak dribbler to the shortstop.

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could make the argument

that Geoff Blum played out of his mind last night. He made 2-3 nice defensive plays (including Lee’s ground ball), plus he hit the game-winning homer. It happens.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 3, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, just like Werth on the Phils...

…the Cubs seem to be running into certain players who are just having huge games.

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is called bad pitch location!!!

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dlee's swing and his height causes him to swing down on the

ball. The timimg of his swing has to be right to drive the ball consistently. In the past it was, now it is producing hard ground balls. A fraction of an inch makes a world of difference.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Sep 3, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too Much Howry -- Again

Considering the season, enough has been said about Bob Howry.
Many have commented about his decrease in velocity, straight as an arrow fastball, and his barely passable offspeed pitches which rarely find the strike zone.
I have stopped counting the number of times Lou has brought him into games that were winnable — down by a run or two, tied, or ahead.
I sit and watch and scream as soon as he puts men on base, allows runs to score, and wonder what Lou is thinking. Just like last night — tie game and here comes Howry.
Gives up a triple on a pitch down the middle; gives up tow more hits to two wak hitting players (Newhan and Quintero) — enough. But no — he’s allowed to throw five balls to another weak bat (Abercrombie). Enouh — but no — he’s allowed to pitch to weak hitting Bourne — results — another hit. For gosh sakes Lou — why did you let him pitch? Even after the first three hits, it’s only a one run ball game and you still leave him in? What was this — a senior moment?
One final thought — Cubs brass — please give us some credit and tell us the real story behind Harden’s layoff. A planned absence or rest — in the heat of the pennant race — give me a break!

by ceegeewow on Sep 3, 2008 9:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Harden

The only reason Rich Harden has pitched 71.2 innings in September in his career is because he was uninjured only rarely. Good grief, I remember when he was in the AL West and he went down like clockwork in late July or August. Dude is fragile.

Witty .sig goes here.

by scareduck on Sep 3, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fukudome...

Looked pretty good last night. He had battled back for a walk and then had a hit his next AB. I believe he’ll be key down the stretch.

"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."

by CubsBullsBears on Sep 3, 2008 9:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i do too

i still think he’s got that “it” factor and is smart enough to make the right adjustments

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This Cubs team has not peaked yet...

Which is a good thing. There is nowhere to go but up. Demp will right the ship tonight. Then they will go on to have a great September.

Jimmyeatworld

by Jimmyeatworld on Sep 3, 2008 9:22 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Comparisons to 2004

I think the similarities are that, for those of us who remember in painful detail each game that week, there were SO many games where we had chances to win with runners on base all over the place, and so many times the games dragged on and on until inevitably the opposing teams won in extra innings or late innings. I don’t think this current losing streak falls into that category, but last night’s game made me think of 2004.

Also, though I’m a self-professed ledge jumper we saw last year that just because a team enters the playoffs hot (The Cubs were red-hot entering the NLDS) it doesn’t mean they will roll through the playoffs. I’m less concerned by how hot the team is than I am about having Z and Harden healthy – and Howry banished far, far away.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Sep 3, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, the Cubs weren't that hot entering the NLDS last year.

They had been swept by Florida, then won 2 of 3 in Cincinnati — so lost four of their last six regular season games.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What helped us last year

Was that The Brewers had a tougher schedule and they played against the Padres the last few games who also needed to win. That was a long final week of the season!

by ak123 on Sep 3, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not panicking about losing games

but the z situation has me freaking out…….someone talk me down from this ledge

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it's going to have to be REAL bad for them to 'shut him down'

The ‘Tuesday start’ proved that. They might just let him try to pitch thru it and, knowing Z, maybe that’s good.

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on Sep 3, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...

no sense in freaking out until we have actual information. Until then no news is… no news.

by Emelie on Sep 3, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just keep on adding these factors up

bad august + “dead arm” + pulled early last night + visit to a doc = a scared cubswynn

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember

Soreness is not as bad as pain.

Sean Marshall had “soreness” after his last start. It was a muggy night, you know how Z gets cramps, maybe he legitimately realized he shouldn’t pitch anymore this night as a precaution? I know it’s optimistic thinking but we don’t know anything.

by ak123 on Sep 3, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

i hope you’re right

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm tired of the Z thing.... it is so 2004 to me

Hold your hand up high if you can pitch, if not we’ll find someone else. Sore Arm? My hamstring is sore right now and I can still go to work and type on a blog.

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't type with your hamstring, do you?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad you asked!

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh god

now tom petty and the heart breakers just came on the radio and guess what song it is

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

You’re not going on the blogging DL, are you?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It should be.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 3, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well i suppose that is true

but can we even count games in Florida? We lose there no matter what :) They did finish 12-6 the final 18 games – I suppose that isn’t red hot but semi-hot

by BeltwayCubsFan on Sep 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A few things

While relying completely on news reports and other assorted comments, a few positive implications if I may.

First, while it is entirely possible it is simply a precursor to a second visit, I believe it is encouraging that Z is visiting with Dr. Gryzlo rather than Dr. James Andrews. That would lead me to believe it is a shoulder or biceps we’re dealing with rather than a elbow. Long term, I’m not sure that makes a difference but short term, it would make sense that he is dealing with inflammation in some area non-elbow related. I would consider that to be a positive. Shut him down for a bit and let him ride back into the postseason run.

Second, yes, the last few losses have been difficult but keep in mind, these are blips on the radar. Were they to occur in mid-October, I believe the hand-wringing would be warranted. Now, they are no different than the tough stretch the Cubs had earlier this year. Those are long forgotten and better play will ease the concern.

Lastly, this short stretch has no more bearing on what will happen in October than a hot or cold stretch in April does. There is no “recency effect” and this is a very, very good club we’re talking about. Fight through it and move on. Nothing more you can do.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Sep 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hate to be a downer

I’ve been positive about this Z thing but usually most athletes will see a local Dr. before going to Dr. Andrews. I work at WWE and that’s how the wrestlers do it.

by ak123 on Sep 3, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but why wouldn't you go to the local guy first?

if says continue to a specialist, then you move on…..seems to make sense

by cubswynn on Sep 3, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because

If it’s minor he can be treated in Chicago. If it’s something more serious then fly to Alabama to see Dr. Andrews. Let’s just wait and find out. I know you’re nervous as am I but we just don’t know anything yet.

by ak123 on Sep 3, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it is something serious and he is done for the year

you would rather it be the elbow than the shoulder. The shoulder has a lot more moving parts and a serious injury to it it is a lot hard to come back from and be the same pitcher (See Mulder).

Hopefully it is not serious at all though…

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Sep 3, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point. See Dempster.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree w/most of your sentiments

and, compared to the majority of his predecessors, Lou is a cut above all the rest (well, the Dallas Green era was no too shabby – but in recent memory).

However, a game like last night, LaRussa would have managed rings around him with the above awful bullpen management and bench calls. It sickens me to say it – but in some ways, the game is passing Lou by.

I still believe Derek Lee had not one – but TWO chances to win the game. For his $15MM/a year salary, and his “ownership” of the #3 position in the lineup, he needs to do better. Now. Lou will not do anything unless DLEE asks for a change. So we should not expect it.

2005 was an aberration, and we will not see that offensive prowess again. However, batted lower in the lineup, with his great D, I’d be fine w/that.

We WILL make the playoffs – no doubt about that. But there are certainly some major concerns.

My home Wrigley record is 17-2, and I thank the team for a wonderful, exciting summer.

However, October baseball is a different thing altogether.

by The E-Man on Sep 3, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Soriano should have bunted

Hear me out. Up until Sori’s AB the pitcher had thrown 8 pitches, 6 of which were balls. Men on 1st and 2nd, No Outs. And Soriano, who had not had a hit since the first pitch of the game, swung at the first pitch (which looked to me if it was an above-the-letters pitch). And don’t get me wrong I have 90% of the time I have faith Sori will come through, but he and and our other big boppers seemed to be pressing w/ RISP after Edmonds’ HR. Correct me if I’m wrong but I remember a couple years ago, the same situation presented itself in a game against the Cardinals. Except it was Pujols at bat and he laid down a perfect bunt to move the runners. I’m not asking Sori to sacrifice his bat every time but maybe just every once in a blue moon?

That being said Booby Howry is D-O-N-E.

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Sep 3, 2008 9:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on, Soriano bunt? Aint gonna happen. A guy with his potential

to change a game with one swing is not going to be asked to bunt. Major league managers don’t do that.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bunt, just a better at bat

I watch people like Puljols (10 times the hitter sori is) give himself up to guide balls the other way. I bet the thought never crossed Sori’s mind.

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree.

This goes back to every fan’s predicament of either accepting Soriano for who he is or…well, or slamming one’s head into a well in perpetuity. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Soriano doesn’t even know how to bunt for all practical purposes. Should he? Yeah, ideally, he should. But it’s not who he is. It’s not what he does. I can accept that.

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So....it is too much to ask?

Go All In and Enjoy The Ride.

by Jayo525 on Sep 3, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could ask

But is it worth it for a popped up bunt or a broken finger since he doesn’t bunt at all?

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 3, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't make me angry.......

if major league ballplayers can’t bunt without breaking bones, we all have big freaking problems. Is he above the rest of the guys or something. Can we not ask anything of him? Let us wrap him up in bubble wrap along with Big Z and Rich Harden so they never get hurt.

"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus

by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every ML player should be able to bunt

but I think it’s a significant risk with Soriano. I worry about it with all of the Cubs pitchers (and some players, too). The last thing I’d want is for Soriano to attempt a bunt, wrap his hand around the barrel (slighly below it, actually), and take a pitch off the finger.

Wright threw up and in on Fukudome when he squared, so why wouldn’t he have done the same to Soriano?

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by Trey2317 on Sep 3, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And every pitcher should be able to throw strikes. You are

asking for something that goes agaist the way the game has been played for a long time. Sluggers don’t bunt. I’m sorry, but that is the way the game is played. You may not like it, bit it’s a fact.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you.

I don’t think he should have been bunting in that situation. He’s asked to drive in runs, not move the runners up.

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by Trey2317 on Sep 3, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Be realistic. Why don't you just ask Theriot to hit home runs? Some

players are better at other parts of the game. He’s a slugger. You don’t normally ask sluggers to bunt. You may not like it, but that’s the way it is.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't have had him bunt either.........

but don’t tell me he can’t or shouldn’t ever have to. All I want is a smart at bat. Trying to yank a pitch for a homer in that situation was crap. If he would have hit one out, i’d be jumping for joy, but statistically speaking that isn’t always going to happen, so try to do something productive. And I don’t understand the Theriot stuff, he is a role player he isn’t our big freaking one dimensional star.

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slow down man. i was making a pointof asking a player

to do something he naturally doesn’t do. Soriano is not the type of player that changes his approach to fit the situation. I agree that agood smart hitter would move the runner in that situation and let someone else drive them in, but he has been successful with his approach and he just isn’t the type of player that evaluates the situation and tries to fit his approach to that situation.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, I'm hot today....

I hear what you are saying and I think I hear you making my point, that we just shouldn’t count on him to not be selfish and one dimensional. If you are cool with that, I can accept that. I’m not cool with that, and I believe people (including Sori) can try to do better. Can’t he change his approach for the team? That is all.

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Believe me. I am just as frustrated with the guy as you are. When

he waves at a slider in the dirt off the plate, I want to strangle him. I think he can do better. It takes a lot of talent to hit a baseball and he can really hit it, so he has the talent. I think he is a bit lazy. He has been successful with his approach, so why alter it to fit the situation? If no one has asked him, why would he? I fault his managers for enabling him to play the game the way he does and not making him more accountable.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

now that we can agree on

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and you're right........

no one is suggesting that he has limited talent. I think he has a huge upside (offensively and defensivly) . I think he a tad lazy. I just want him to try to become more of a complete ballplayer

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously, we have the same opionion of him. I think it's a bit late to expect him to play

any different than he has. He strikes me as the type of player that could lose it quickly. When his skills start to diminish, I don’t think he will be able to make many adjustments to keep himself in the game.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, yeah...

…he’s been playing in the major leagues since 1999 and has gotten almost 600 ABs every season since 2001. He’s probably never going to become a complete player under your definition. Like I said, it’s a matter of acceptance or self-abuse when it comes to Soriano.

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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 3, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By most standards, he's been pretty successful. I think most

people knew what we were getting with him and for the most part, he’s lived up to those numbers. Last night’s game was disappointing on a lot of levels and a lot of what I hear is just good venting.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay...how did you expect him to move the runner over if he does not bunt

There are runners on 1st and Second. Anything to the right side is probably a double play. The only way for him to have a productive out and get Theriot to third is for him to try to drive the ball deep to Center or Right. He tried and failed….

I still contend that they should have tried the Double Steal..see previous posts above.

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by TheRiot Police on Sep 3, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe look for a pitch outside and try to drive it the other way

I honestly would rather see him hit into a double play doing that than what happened last night. That is just my opinion.

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I don't know about the double steal,

because sori swings and misses alot and a straight steal at that time esp to third is RISKY

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is no different

than the situation would have been if Dome would have been successful in his sacrifice attempt. It would have been one out with a runner on second…

The only downside is you force Soriano to take a couple of pitches and get behind in the count and if the attempt was successful he probably take the bat out of his hands…

"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey

by TheRiot Police on Sep 3, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a pavement quote

in a post with a hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy quote? man, i love this site.

by nathew on Sep 3, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I'm not mistaken

There was a long fly to right that got Theriot to third from the next batter. So a bunt there would conceivably have won the game. I know the pitches change with different situations, but there is absolutely no reason not to bunt Soriano at that point in the game. Earlier no, but that late with a chance to win (and clutch hits being fe and far between), absolutely. IMO

by Mapmaker on Sep 3, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Normally...

…I would agree if it was anyone but Soriano.

I highly doubt the guy could have got a good bunt down without missing it or popping the thing up.

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by MPH73 on Sep 3, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point. It's easy to say"just bunt here", but what

are the odds of him being successful at something he never does. Just because you tell him to bunt, doesn’t mean he can execute it.

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Odds on Sori........

being successful at catching pop flys?
backing up plays?
not getting picked off?
hustling in general?
making an adjustment at the plat?
doing anything but hitting 30 homeruns each year, most of them solo lead off shots?

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, he's put up some pretty big numbers

comparable to the rest of the league. And he missed nearly two months.

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by Jayo525 on Sep 3, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know when dad used to come home.........

and just start yelling at everyone because he hated his job ( i think it is called displacement or something) That is what i’m doing with Sori. I’m angry about last night, and well he is just too easy to find fault with.

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by graceunderpressure on Sep 3, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is what he is. I don't want to say he isn't an intelligent player, but

he doesn’t change his approach to match the situation. I would hazard to guess that the thought of hitting to the right side never crossed his mind. He has a dead pull swing and the odds of him producing a ball to the right side are probably as good as him executing a bunt.

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 3, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs