L.A. Goodbye: Cubs-Dodgers Series Preview
There have been, since the World Series began in 1903, 103 major league postseasons -- no, I haven't miscounted; there was no World Series in 1904, nor a postseason in 1994.
The Cubs and Dodgers, historic franchises, have participated in 35 of those between them. Between them they've been in 26 World Series (ten for the Cubs, 16 for the Dodgers; only the Cardinals, with 13, and the Dodgers, have won more NL pennants than the Cubs since 1900) and nine other postseasons in the divisional play era without making it to the Series (five for the Cubs, four for the Dodgers). But tomorrow marks the first time in the long history of both these teams that they will meet in a postseason game.
I thought, rather than do position by position matchups, which rarely mean anything (seriously: catchers don't do battle with each other on the field), I'd take a look back at the seven games these two teams played against each other during the regular season -- with the caveat that the Dodgers are a very different team now than they were then, having added Manny Ramirez and Casey Blake to their offense. The Cubs won the season series 5-2 by sweeping the Dodgers at home and splitting four games in Los Angeles.
May 26 at Wrigley Field -- Cubs 3, Dodgers 1:
Ryan Dempster [had his] 11th good start of the season. Yes, all 11 -- look at his previous game log and you'll see that although he had a couple of "not-great" starts, he hasn't been blown out of any of them, and has gone six or more innings in 10 of 11. Today, after getting out of a first-inning jam he caused himself by walking the nearly-unwalkable Juan Pierre by a nicely-executed rundown of Pierre trying to score (my friend and BCB reader bison texted me from California, where he had scored it from home 1-6-4-5-2-3-4), Dempster settled down and retired nine of the next ten hitters he faced, finally running into trouble in the fifth when Mark DeRosa couldn't handle an infield popup and had no play as Matt Kemp, who had doubled, scored LA's only run.
Dempster got himself out of another jam in the 6th, after he had loaded the bases with two singles and a walk to Kemp, and again in the 7th, when no one was warming up, a testament to how overworked the bullpen was in all the extra-inning games in Pittsburgh. Dempster threw 117 pitches, 71 for strikes, and Bob Howry had to do the same thing in the 8th. We couldn't figure out why Scott Eyre, warmed and ready, didn't come in to face two lefty hitters in James Loney and Delwyn Young. Lou explained during the news conference that he thought Howry was throwing better, and it appears he wanted to give Howry a confidence-builder.
That's a risky way to win games, but it worked. Howry struck out Loney and got Young to fly to Jim Edmonds (the ball, not too far away from Alfonso Soriano, had us yelling, "Let Edmonds take it!" (We were threatening to ask the Cubs to put those beeping sounds you hear from trucks backing up near the wall so Alfonso would know when he's getting close to it, either that or yellow crime-scene tape.)
Dempster, for his part, continued pitching well all year -- he only had one or two bad starts the entire season.
May 28 at Wrigley Field -- Cubs 3, Dodgers 1:
[Kosuke] Fukudome, who has been in an offensive funk, snapped out of it with the double, a single and a walk, and made a couple of sparkling defensive plays in right field. How anyone could consider hurting the defense by moving him to CF and putting a minor league first baseman in right, I simply cannot understand. It does appear, as I keep saying, that Jim Edmonds is done, done, D-O-N-E (have I said done?). He went 0-for-4 last night, got booed roundly the last two times, and his bat speed is probably about the same as Cubs hitting coach Gerald Perry's would be if Perry took the field now. Edmonds did make one nice catch going back on a fly ball to the warning track; his fielding is still decent and he catches everything he gets to. I still fail to see how this team is helped by his presence.
Last night's performance by Kerry Wood ought to quiet a similar chorus asking for him to be replaced at closer. He looked dominant and seems to be getting more comfortable in the role each time out. Meanwhile, Carlos Marmol had a shaky outing, loading the bases before getting out of the jam. I'd like to see him rest up some, as he's bordering on severe overwork.
Well, obviously, I was wrong about Edmonds that day in May -- he started hitting right after that and has been an exemplary presence on the field and in the clubhouse. His postseason experience -- he has more than anyone else on the club, even Alfonso Soriano -- will be invaluable in October.
May 29 at Wrigley Field -- Cubs 2, Dodgers 1:
Before a near-sellout of 39,945 on a night that was, by the end, starting to get cold, the Cubs provided 9th and 10th inning dramatics that had Wrigley Field rocking as I have never heard it for a regular season game this early in the year, and Alfonso Soriano shut up his critics (for a day, at least) by poking a single into left field, scoring Mike Fontenot with the winning run in an excruciatingly exciting 2-1 Cubs win over the Dodgers, completing the Cubs' fourth three-game sweep at home this season, moving their home record to a spectacular 22-8, pushing them 11 games over .500 for the first time since the last day of the ill-fated 2004 season...
Remind me again why the Cubs need another starting pitcher? They allowed an admittedly hurting LA "offense" three runs in this series, and the only one Carlos Zambrano allowed last night was on a bases-loaded walk after he had helped load the bases by hitting Matt Kemp. Z admitted in his postgame comments that he knew he didn't have his best stuff or command; he walked four, tying his season high, and had to get, essentially, five outs in that tense eighth inning because his defense deserted him (Mark DeRosa let a ball go off his glove which was ruled a hit, and Ryan Theriot made a throwing error, both of which could have been outs). Z threw an alarmingly high total of 130 pitches -- something we haven't seen since the Baker era. However, Lou said in his own postgame remarks that he'll keep Z on a short leash in his next start...
It was right after that when Z's shoulder started to bark at him and a little over two weeks later, he had to be taken out of a game at Tampa Bay and wound up on the DL. I think Z is fine now, but the staff will have to watch his pitch count closely. (Yet another reason Bob Howry shouldn't be on the playoff roster.)
June 5 at Dodger Stadium -- Cubs 5, Dodgers 4:Kerry Wood, who some here were ready to throw under the bus when he had a tough debut as closer on Opening Day, is now leading the National League in saves.
Once again, this team won with a different hero; last night it was Kosuke Fukudome, who hit his first MLB home run away from Wrigley Field and who drove in the winning run with e perfectly-placed single off his countryman Takashi Saito in the 9th inning.
The Cubs blew an early 4-0 lead when Jeff Kent homered twice, once off Ryan Dempster, once off Bob Howry, who nearly did a Ted Lilly slam-the-glove-down move, rare for him -- you almost never see Howry show emotion on the mound -- but this resilient team came back. Props to Neal Cotts for throwing a scoreless inning -- so far, since his recall, Cotts looks more like the setup man who had a 1.94 ERA for the 2005 champion White Sox, than the guy who got sent down seemingly never to return last year.
Kent won't be playing in this series (and we hope, neither will Howry), and it would be great if Fukudome could get out of his two-month offensive funk and contribute in this series.
June 6 at Dodger Stadium -- Dodgers 3, Cubs 0:
... they just got beat last night when they got shut down by a pretty good pitcher. That kind of stuff happens even to great teams (example: the 114-win 1998 Yankees got shut out five times, including by scores of 7-0, 9-0 and 11-0. This makes three for the 2008 Cubs). [Hiroki] Kuroda not only held the Cubs to four harmless singles, he also struck out eleven and didn't walk anyone.
I posted a long diatribe about Ryan Theriot's lack of range in that recap; obviously, we're long past the time when any change is going to be made (especially with Ronny Cedeno now with a balky shoulder because of the dumb dive he made into 1B in NY last week). Theriot's the SS, for good or bad, for the duration. We can only hope that Kuroda's more hittable in game three than he was that night in June.
June 7 at Dodger Stadium -- Dodgers 7, Cubs 3:Carlos Zambrano actually threw six good innings; unfortunately, his defense deserted him in the seventh, with Aramis Ramirez charged with one error and Kosuke Fukudome dropping a catchable fly ball (the latter would have ended the seventh inning with the score only 4-3 Dodgers). You simply can't give a major league team five outs in any inning and expect to win.
All of this was after the Cubs had fashioned leads of 2-0 and 3-2 against the tough Derek Lowe, and even though Z had given up a ton of hits, he had gotten out of every jam up to the point where Russell Martin homered to tie the game at 2. In fact, all three homers hit today -- Martin's, Alfonso Soriano's, and the killer three-run blast from Matt Kemp that put the game away -- didn't seem as if they were going to go out when they first left the bat. All seemed routine fly balls that wound up carrying; Dodger Stadium seems more conducive to that during the day than at night.
And those defensive lapses were the story of the game; otherwise Z and Lowe matched up pretty well, and once the game was out of hand, Neal Cotts threw an inning and a third without allowing anything else, saving the rest of the bullpen for tomorrow.
So -- the Cubs could have defeated Derek Lowe (who is 2-1, 3.25 in eight career starts vs. the Cubs) if they'd have played a more solid defensive game, and note that the Dodger homers were hit during a day game, when the ball carries better than at night; all the games in the division series are likely to be night games (the first three definitely are).
June 8 at Dodger Stadium -- Cubs 3, Dodgers 1:Apart from Geovany Soto's throwing error on Juan Pierre's first-inning steal, which allowed Pierre to go to third and score on an infield out, the Cubs were nearly flawless in front of the national audience. Jason Marquis -- see, I knew he had this kind of talent, as Mark DeRosa said:
"I think sometimes he becomes his own worst enemy," DeRosa said. "He sometimes doesn't realize how great his stuff is. When he's on, he's tough to hit. He has a good sinker, he had good command of his slider and his split. He's a good pitcher. He's been a good pitcher in this league."
Exactly. Marquis threw strikes last night and had terrific movement on his pitches. If he hadn't run into trouble in the 7th inning, Lou might have let him finish, as he had thrown only 89 pitches when he was removed, but taking him out in favor of Carlos Marmol was the right thing to do.
Marquis probably won't pitch -- much -- in this series, but it's nice to know that he has this terrific outing, one of his best of the year, to think about if he winds up going against the Dodgers. LA, in fact, is one of his favorite opponents; in 9 career appearances against them (8 starts) he's 3-1, 1.99 in 54.1 innings.
So there you have it. For the Dodger fan's point of view please check out our SBN Dodgers site True Blue LA, and I also wanted to give a shout-out to my friend Rob McMillin's site that covers both the Dodgers and Angels, 6-4-2. (And Rob's wife Helen is a Cubs fan and occasional BCB poster.) In case you haven't already looked up my 2008 preseason predictions, there's the link; usually it's pretty embarrassing, but only half so this year. I nailed the NL playoff teams, all four of them. (Not so much for the AL, but at least I'm in good company; hardly anyone would have picked the Rays, White Sox or Twins back in March). I'll stand by my NL predictions for the postseason, too: the Cubs to win this series 3-1, and the Brewers over the Phillies, setting up what ought to be a terrific NLCS.
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My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on
Sep 30, 2008 8:39 AM CDT
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beautiful
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on
Sep 30, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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I could get used to seeing that every year.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Sep 30, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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Ditto...
…but it would seem a little out of place in 2009.
by sniffy the bee on
Sep 30, 2008 10:58 AM CDT
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Step one...
Perty, though.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 30, 2008 12:26 PM CDT
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NLCS ticket drawing
Anyone know what happened to the emails? I’ve been searching and nothing. They have taken the info off cubs.com. When we beat the Dodgers I want to get to Chicago for game 2 of NLCS. I’m feeling lucky but no info from MLB. Did anyone get anything?
I agree Al, 3-1 sounds about right to me. I’m just worried about getting off to a good start and everything will take care of itself.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on
Sep 30, 2008 8:42 AM CDT
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I don't think any NLCS emails have been sent out yet.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 30, 2008 8:46 AM CDT
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There were supposed to go out Monday right?
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on
Sep 30, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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Not sure.
But based on what happened last time, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out they’re late.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 30, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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Phillies sent their e-mails out already about NLCS
I didn’t win but if the Cubs and Phillies meet, I should be able to swing a ticket from someone.
by PhillyCub on
Sep 30, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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you're my new best friend, neighbor...
also looking for a Cubs/Phils matchup in the NLCS and failed in the lottery for the Phils.
Win.
by RavenswoodRob on
Sep 30, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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I think the emails weren't being sent until Oct 1 or 2
I remember the date being in October, so I wouldn’t worry yet.
"It was a tough first 10,000 wins. I hope the next 10,000 are easier."
-Ryan Theriot
by lindz221 on
Sep 30, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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NLCS winners notified via email Thursday, Oct. 2, 2008
NLCS sale for winners Friday, Oct. 3, 2008 Noon – 6 p.m.
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on
Sep 30, 2008 2:07 PM CDT
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Based on the season series, we can expect to have 4 or 5 low scoring pitching dominated games
Which are the worst kind of games for my sanity.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #3/4 4-0 (0-0). Next up at Nebraska October 4th. Live on ESPN in primetime. Chase Daniel and Jeremy Maclin for Co-Heisman!
by nji232 on
Sep 30, 2008 8:43 AM CDT
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Yep.
They never really blew this team out. All pretty close games.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on
Sep 30, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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This guarantees a blowout
Hopefully in our favor!
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on
Sep 30, 2008 5:41 PM CDT
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Pitching is KING and that should be bore out abundantly in this series
Given the aforementioned truism this series will come down to the team that can execute its offense the best. I see these games being relative low-scoring affairs. Cubs need Alfonso Soriano to hit because he has become the bellweather for this offense. Cubs also need to play good defense in support of our pitchers. And finally, our starting pitchers need to get deep into games given the dubious nature of our middle relief.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on
Sep 30, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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Not just pitching, but
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on
Sep 30, 2008 8:52 AM CDT
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These games doubtful will be slugfests
The starting pitching on both sides of the ledger is good. The back end of each bullpen is also good (Marmol, Wood) and (Kershaw, Saito, Broxton). Execute, execute, execute will be the key on offense. It was something the Cubs became marvelously good at the first half of the season. They need to get back to that.
NLDS MVP — Ryan Theriot
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on
Sep 30, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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IIRC We got to Saito everytime we faced him this year
He may have been injured at the time, but our approach of taking his pitches and getting on base seemed to work. That bodes well for any ninth inning rallies if we need them.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #3/4 4-0 (0-0). Next up at Nebraska October 4th. Live on ESPN in primetime. Chase Daniel and Jeremy Maclin for Co-Heisman!
by nji232 on
Sep 30, 2008 9:02 AM CDT
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I can't wait for the games to start.
I expect the key is more than pitching. Quality pitching is probable from both sides and patience at the plate will set the tone. One pitch at bats will allow their starters to gain rythym and confidence.
Making the LA pitchers battle every at bat and getting to Torre’s pen will create opportunity. All pretty obvious, but the Cubs have wavered between a patient team and a pressing team all season. They have won both ways during the season, but I doubt that continues in the playoffs.
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on
Sep 30, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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Well, at least you admit "pitching is king" is a truism.
I suppose that’s progress.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 30, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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So what's queen? No Freddy Mercury references please.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Sep 30, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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Strong defense?
She’s beautiful when you do it right, a bitch when you don’t.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 30, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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And
We have to not allow Torre to manufacture runs. Keep the runners in place for the DP and out of scoring position.
by 100yearitch on
Sep 30, 2008 12:35 PM CDT
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Who can tell me the name of the Chicago based band....
that had a mini hit with the song Al used in the thread title ? (LA Goodbye) No googling is permitted.
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
by cubfever7 on
Sep 30, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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I'd answer, but of course I already know.
I’ll let the rest of you do that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 30, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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Why, that'd be none other than...
Ides Of March!
by AndrewJStone on
Sep 30, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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Winner winner!!!

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon
by cubfever7 on
Sep 30, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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Thank you for playing this edition of "Stump the Chump"
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon
by cubfever7 on
Sep 30, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Car Talk fan?
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand. - Homer J Simpson
by MikeOxbyg on
Sep 30, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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you mean the stump the chump thing?
My buddy Jimmy (from suburban Westchester) and I have been using that term for every bit 30 yeaers—do they use it?
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon
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Sep 30, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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Car Talk is AWESOME
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
by slcathena on
Sep 30, 2008 5:05 PM CDT
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I'm your vehicle, baby. I'll take you anywhere you want to go.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 30, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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They sort of morphed into Survivor.....
same songwriter/driving force behind both bands—the great Jim Peterik. He also wrote pretty much every hit .38 Special ever had and others by Chase, Henry Paul Band and more..a Blessed man creatively.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon
by cubfever7 on
Sep 30, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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Good morning all...
Go Cubs Go!! Go Cubs Go!! Go Cubs Go!!
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on
Sep 30, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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Jimmy!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Sep 30, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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Yo Willie!
Go Cubs Go!
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on
Sep 30, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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Jimmy's in the house!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Sep 30, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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Is it Wednesday yet?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 30, 2008 9:40 AM CDT
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Almost Badgerman...
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on
Sep 30, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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What do we do until tomorrow other than drink and blog?
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on
Sep 30, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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Eat lots of health food. Pizza, nachos and brats should do it.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Sep 30, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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I've got all the health food groups you mentioned
plus barley and hops in a bottle the 4th food group so I’m good to go.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on
Sep 30, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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Sounds like you are ready to go.
Jimmyeatworld
by Jimmyeatworld on
Sep 30, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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I'm completely ambivalent about the Sox
I just don’t care one way or the other. Do you have to hate them to be a true Cubs fan? I’m only talking about the team; not its fans.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on
Sep 30, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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Not being from Chicago...
…I couldn’t give a rat’s backside about them one way or another.
But I do have a soft spot for the Twinkies.
by sniffy the bee on
Sep 30, 2008 11:08 AM CDT
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Similar thoughts here
Great baseball management. Too bad the owner is a tightwad
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 30, 2008 11:56 AM CDT
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I tried to watch the Sox last night...
…but I just CAN’T STAND Hawk. That guy really is so bad it’s painful. I don’t know how even the Sox fans can put up with him.
"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella
by derv on
Sep 30, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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Really?
I kind of like Hawk, and really don’t care for DJ (who is gone after this year anyways.) He is entertaining and is really passionate, kind of like Ron is on the air, IMHO.
The Missouri Tigers (4-0) begin defense of their 2007 Big 12 Conference North Division title Saturday on the road, as they take on the Nebraska Cornhuskers (3-1) in Lincoln, Neb.
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Sep 30, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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I guess it's that...
1. Stupid hillbilly southern accent
2. The long pauses
3. The lack of a vocab
4. It sounds like he has the mic in his throat
5. That PUT it on the BOARD thing – I mean, come on!
"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella
by derv on
Sep 30, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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Sounds more like
insults than criticism.
The Missouri Tigers (4-0) begin defense of their 2007 Big 12 Conference North Division title Saturday on the road, as they take on the Nebraska Cornhuskers (3-1) in Lincoln, Neb.
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Sep 30, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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Revised...
1. Long pauses with seemingly nothing to say
2. Limited use of descriptive words to articulate the elements of the game
3. Sound engineers for the TV broadcast should decrease the bass input on his mic and try to increase the mid and high ranges for a more enjoyable listening experience
others omitted based on input
"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella
by derv on
Sep 30, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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Dude, I'm just saying...
…think about what non-Cubs fans have to say about Santo. I know plenty of guys who HATE him as a broadcaster, mostly because since they aren’t Cubs fans, they are not excited by his style of commentary. Hawk is the same way. All those nauances, a lot of Sox fans LOVE them, because it articulates the Sox to them, and the experience of watching a Sox game, much like Santo does for Cubs fans.
The Missouri Tigers (4-0) begin defense of their 2007 Big 12 Conference North Division title Saturday on the road, as they take on the Nebraska Cornhuskers (3-1) in Lincoln, Neb.
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Sep 30, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
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Gotta say
I’m with derv and not for any constructive reasons, it’s his schtick that I can’t stand. His home run calls and strike out calls just irritate me. Maybe that is due to the fact that I am not a White Sox fan, but either way, I cannot watch him.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Sep 30, 2008 12:09 PM CDT
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they're contrived.
I can see Pat’s home-run call having evolved into what it is. I think Hawk said “what can I say that will become a catch-phrase”.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Sep 30, 2008 12:45 PM CDT
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Exactly
and they come across that way. I understand that every announcer wants “their call.” Hawk’s just doesn’t work for me because it seems separate from the game. The good home run calls, IMO, are those like Pat’s, Haray Carry’s and Brickhouse’s that aren’t intended to be catch-phrases.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Sep 30, 2008 12:49 PM CDT
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What it comes down to, I think,
is Hawk’s call sounds like something on a baseball video game. That is, something preprogrammed to go off when a home run is hit. No genuine, organic emotion, just an automated response.
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by neverAcquiesce on
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Exactly what
I was trying to get at, it isn’t a reaction to what is going on on the field, it Hawk trying to steal the attention for himself
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Sep 30, 2008 1:07 PM CDT
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plus he is ugly
"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella
by derv on
Sep 30, 2008 1:07 PM CDT
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this is funny...
Ken “Hawk” Harrelson (born September 4, 1941) after one really good season with the Red Sox in 1968 during an eight season, 4 team, injury (and/or abstinence) shortened baseball career as a First Baseman and Corner Outfielder managed to go on to become one of the worst announcers in the history of human beings announcing things.
"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella
by derv on
Sep 30, 2008 1:11 PM CDT
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Hahahaha
It’s really funny
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
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Hawk is
…probably the most homer-ish announcer I’ve ever heard (and I don’t mean that in the Simpsons sense, I mean biased, and not in a fun way). He makes the DBacks Daron Sutton seem like Pat Summerall. I could deal with his accent, it’s his insulting catch phrases and out and out rooting for the home team that get me. He could take some lessons from Vin Scully in that dept. I think he’s also probably so old school he doesn’t realize that people from around the country, and not all just Sox fans listen to his broadcasts via the internet, so it’s less acceptable these days. I have a Tigers fan friend who practically throws up when he has to listen to the ChiSox-Tigers games on MLB audio.
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Watch tonight for a preview of the Dick Stockton show
Since we get to listen to him during our whole series.
I think we are 0-6 the last 6 Cub games he has called.
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by nji232 on
Sep 30, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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mercy!
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by digitalbenjamin on
Sep 30, 2008 11:28 AM CDT
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I'm pretty much the same way.
The only time I truly dislike the Sox is when they’re playing the Cubs or when one of their fans (or members of their organization) goes out of his (or her) way to disrespect the Cubs. Otherwise, they’re just another AL team to me. I do like a few of their players, though — particularly Dye, Thome and this Alexei Ramirez kid. (Can’t stand AJ, of course.)
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by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 30, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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Have no feelings either way on the Sox, but
believe the Sox making the playoffs is always good for the City. I live here, so I hope they pull it off.
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by N Oakley on
Sep 30, 2008 12:09 PM CDT
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Is it just me
or are the Sox announcers freakin annoying?
by 100yearitch on
Sep 30, 2008 12:38 PM CDT
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Even a lot of my Sox friends find them annoying.
Most of them avoid Hawk and listen to the radio.
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by Bump Bailey on
Sep 30, 2008 12:44 PM CDT
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It's not just you.
I can’t stand them.
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Sep 30, 2008 2:24 PM CDT
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Hadn't seen this anywhere but congratulations
to Ryan Theriot, the much bashed short stop for finished 6th in the batting average race. I don’t think any of us envisioned this for him this year. You can complain all you want about his range but every team needs a table setter and if he can get on base 2 or 3 times each game against the Dodgers things will be a little brighter for the Cubs.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
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Sep 30, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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Of course 2 of those 3 times he gets on base per game are quickly erased by DPLee
I kid, I kid. I’m not a fan of Theriot, this series especially will be difficult since Rafael Furcal will be playing SS for the other team. I will give Theriot credit for being there all year and getting on base
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Sep 30, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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He also finished second in the NL in caught stealings
D’oh!
(But still, congrats on the .387 OBA, Riot.)
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by JohnM on
Sep 30, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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If he could steal, he wouldn't be
on first as often when DLee bats.
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by N Oakley on
Sep 30, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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8th in OBA in the NL.
Yeah, I know. No power. Still, .387 and 8th-ranked in the league is pretty impressive. Ranked 9th in total hits.
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by Al on
Sep 30, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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Theriot is a lot like all those little sh@t middle infielders the Cardinals throw out every year
Lots of foul balls, takes walks, gets on base, and annoying as hell to the other team. There are the known downsides to players like that as well.
Just nice to know we have our own annoying middle infielder for once.
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Sep 30, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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Well...
This little sh** middle infielders you reference???? Craig Counsell has 2 World Series rings. Ditto David Eckstein. And members of those championship teams would all tell you that those two guys were invaluable.
So that is awfully good company for Ryan Theriot if that is the inference you are trying to make.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on
Sep 30, 2008 9:05 AM CDT
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Counsell and Eckstein are the obvious examples
Aaron Miles, Brendan Ryan, Felipe Lopez, Im getting sick to my stomach just thinking of more.
I wasn’t trying to mock Theriot, I was just calling it what it is. Of course teams need the little guys to help win championships. If anything I was complementing him for being something that the Cubs haven’t had in some time.
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by nji232 on
Sep 30, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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All so damn scrappy...
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Sep 30, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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Let me add Adam Kennedy and Ceaser Izturis to that list
Those are just the guys from this season.
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by nji232 on
Sep 30, 2008 9:43 AM CDT
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You can't include the Cards scrappiness players
without Stubby Clapp.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 30, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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scrap-tacular
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on
Sep 30, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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reminds me of Augie Ojeda who...
…killed us last year with his scrappiness
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by derv on
Sep 30, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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bite your tongue...
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by digitalbenjamin on
Sep 30, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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Counsell has 2 series rings. A-Rod has zero
Then Counsell > A-Rod?
This argument is BS. Guys like Counsell have rings because they were lucky enough to be on good teams. Players like Counsell are not why teams are good.
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Sep 30, 2008 2:03 PM CDT
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Not necessarily true
Those teams had other big men. The arg is not counsell>arod, the arg is no team is all arods, you need scrappy players as well.
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by slcathena on
Sep 30, 2008 5:28 PM CDT
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and how many times this season did you see Theriot
be a major pain at the plate with a runner on late and get the single needed to setup runners on first and third or just be the ice breaker in the 8th and get on to start things. The guy is not an easy out no matter who’s pitching.
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
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Sep 30, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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Which is one of the nice things Theriot brings to the table
Instead of Todd Walker or Jose Macias swinging and missing at three pitches, Theriot can run up a pitch count and take a walk.
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by nji232 on
Sep 30, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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DING DING DING!
We have a winner.
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by Al on
Sep 30, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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Yeah, but Todd Walker did a fine job of TV critic
He knew what the announcers from BOTH teams said. During the game.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 30, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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Did Todd retire? Forgot about him.
(man, I am really blowing off work today)
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by derv on
Sep 30, 2008 11:39 AM CDT
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I don't think so
I did a quick search and it looks like he was DFA’d by the A’s early in the season. He didn’t accept the minor league assignment, so he is probably just doing whatever unless someone offers him a major league deal. And if he doesn’t get one, he’s probably done.
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Sep 30, 2008 11:51 AM CDT
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Looks like that may have been 2007
Watch him resurface as a broadcaster…
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by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 30, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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+100
"Bring On The Major Leagues" Stephen Malkmus
by graceunderpressure on
Sep 30, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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More importantly, he's a Cub.
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Sep 30, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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Yeah, credit where credit is due...
…a .387 OBP is damn good.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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Ryan Theriot has made me a believer...
Theriot has become the ignitor. He is not a Gold Glover but he surprisingly has held his own at shortstop.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
by MDBNIU on
Sep 30, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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we need a picture
of Ryan Theriot, The IGNITOR!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Sep 30, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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I LOVE it!
"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella
by derv on
Sep 30, 2008 11:40 AM CDT
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How's this?

"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
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Sep 30, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Sep 30, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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there we go!
RYAN THERIOT POWERS ACTIVATE!
Form of… a weak arm!
Shape of… a single to right!
And I’ll FORM THE HEAD!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on
Sep 30, 2008 12:46 PM CDT
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Seeing Cedeno this past weekend
I really don’t mind having Theriot this postseason.
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by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 30, 2008 12:48 PM CDT
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I wish I knew
hell, I wish SOMEONE knew how to help Cedeno get his head in the game.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
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Sep 30, 2008 12:56 PM CDT
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Have Aramis cuff him on the ear between each play?
"I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn't for him..." -Mark Grace
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
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I thought Lou did that
every five minutes in the clubhouse.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
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Sep 30, 2008 12:58 PM CDT
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Yup.
It’s like someone stole his Onedec Juice. Theriot, perhaps…?
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by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 30, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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nicely done.
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by digitalbenjamin on
Sep 30, 2008 1:26 PM CDT
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This is how the Iranian Press reported this story...

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Sep 30, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
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"That chili is NOT sitting well."
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by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 30, 2008 1:46 PM CDT
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Ha Ha. Photoshopping the previously photoshopped.
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by N Oakley on
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ding ding ding
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by digitalbenjamin on
Sep 30, 2008 1:56 PM CDT
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Did you just call Ryan Theriot ignorant?
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Sep 30, 2008 10:48 AM CDT
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I remember during a late-inning comeback
Some Cub was quoted as saying
“We know that if Theriot gets on anything can happen”
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on
Sep 30, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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Yeah, like the game ending on a pick-off.
I keed!!! We all know that only happened to Lance Johnson!
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Sep 30, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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I completely agree with your assessment of Theriot.
He does a lot of little things well. Things that help a ballclub win.
by storkysm on
Sep 30, 2008 2:33 PM CDT
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Actually I nailed his on base and came .002 from his BA.
Reed Ballgame - best CF in the MLB
by californiachicagoan on
Sep 30, 2008 5:42 PM CDT
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Let's Go Cubs!!!
I can’t stop thinking about the playoffs!!! Let’s work these West Coast Hippies over!
"Commit to the Indian!"
by Bpatterson83 on
Sep 30, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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your 2008 preseason predictions
are so embarrassing, the link doesn’t even work.
by nathew on
Sep 30, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Yeah, I noticed that.
I searched the site for them, copied & pasted the link, but it doesn’t work. You can find them by searching for “predictions” (no quotes) in the search box. It’s on the second page (click “next” once).
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 30, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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The problem with the link is the spaces in the URL i believe.
Does this work. PREDICTIONS
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Sep 30, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Yes, that one works.
Thanks for fixing it. I have no idea why those spaces showed up.
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by Al on
Sep 30, 2008 10:30 AM CDT
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Not surprising all the regular games were close.
Didn’t they finish 1,2 in most of the pitching stats.
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Sep 30, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Gotta start drinking today during the Cubs rally, hell good as time as any
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on
Sep 30, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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Should I start drinking today or tomorrow?
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Sep 30, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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Go ahead and start now
by game time tomorrow, you’ll be unconscious. when you come to, check the BCB site for Al’s recap.
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Solomon
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Sep 30, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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I'm starting tomorrow, at 3:00 when I get home from work. :P
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Sep 30, 2008 7:04 PM CDT
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Anyone going to the rally this afternoon at Daley Plaza?
Thinking that I might wander over during lunch…
"Chase Daniel has more touchdowns (seven) than incompletions (six) the past two weeks. Which is just silly." Pat Forde, ESPN
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Sep 30, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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yep... anyone sporting their BCB shirt?
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Sep 30, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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If you go and do wear the BCB shirt...
… take pix and post them!
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by Al on
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Should have worn it to work today!
Dang…
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Is there a long sleeve version available for the playoffs???
…I’ll take two right now. I met ‘tville’ in Wrigleyville after the clinch and had a beer with him b/c he was wearing his BCB shirt.
"There's a lot of things we don't tell you." Lou Pinella
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Sep 30, 2008 11:43 AM CDT
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No long sleeves... yet.
Maybe, though. I’ll see.
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by Al on
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You could always wear a long sleeve shirt underneath it.
I wore a long underwear shirt under mine and Z ended up throwing a no hitter. Think about it.
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any available at all?
"You would never guess that a little innocent walk like that could lead to two runs" -- Dusty Baker
by KyCubsFan on
Sep 30, 2008 4:15 PM CDT
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buy a XXXXL and then put it over your winter coat.
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I'm going to try and get down there, too.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:48 AM CDT
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TWSS
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Do more than try, honey.
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yep
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
by Andre Fonseca on
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by the way...
look for me… I’ll be the one in the Cubs jersey.
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Haha. Sounds good. I
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In the spirit of our favorite white sox fan coming over to visit yesterday
Who you guys got winning tonight in the always exciting one game playoff?
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I don't know
I just know that the White Sox will be playing
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by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 30, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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In the home stadium of the White Sox
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
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Don't think it matters.
The AL Central isn’t going to beat the Rays, IMHO.
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I definitely agree the Rays win that series
The Twins would make it more interesting because they know how to play on turf, while the White Sox obviously have no clue.
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Twins...so damn scrappy...
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Ron Gardenhire is a very good manager.
The Twins execute – that’s why they’re playing this game today. Whether they can do it in the Cell is another question. Their home-away split does not bode well for their chances.
As it was said in earlier years: “There’s no place like Dome!”
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True
and it will be somewhat interesting to see (hey, it’s baseball pseudo playoff on Tuesday), how the Twins react to having to play the game. The Twins took control by sweeping the Sox and then petered out.
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I think Ditka wins 108 -2
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
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Sep 30, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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I predict the Twins
Will be mesmerized by the blackout and allow the Sox to score the winning run on a wild pitch in the bottom of the 9th.
Seriously, though, I’ve been saying for the last few weeks that the Sox would hold on and make the playoffs, so I can’t go back on that now.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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The Blackout worked real well
for Georgia vs. Bama on Saturday.
So, they’re going to hand out 40,000 black rally towels. By my math, that’s 10 towels per fan.
by cubbot on
Sep 30, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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Wouldn't a white out be more effective
and also make more sense. They are the WHITE Sox. Also white rally towels look better on TV.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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Didn't the Twins have their traditional white-out in Minn.?
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Sep 30, 2008 10:37 AM CDT
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Yeah, those black towels won't show up very well.
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by Al on
Sep 30, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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Waitaminute...are you saying there was a:
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 30, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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Oh yes there was
It was glorious. By the way putting White Sox in posts helps raise his favorite little stat, so I’m gonna do that randomly throughout the day.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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Sorry I missed it.
I’m not surprised he stopped in to gloat. I gotta admit, though, Alexei’s grand slam was a hell of a clutch hit.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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He's coming back tonight after the Sox win
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by nji232 on
Sep 30, 2008 10:55 AM CDT
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The White Sox, you mean
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by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 30, 2008 12:03 PM CDT
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Yes the White Sox
Sox might not work when he updates his post count
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Sep 30, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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Which Sox?
the White Sox? The Red Sox? The Black Sox?
It’s all so confusing. I mean, who names a team after their laundry?
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Sep 30, 2008 1:00 PM CDT
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we did. but...
…that was 130 years ago.
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by derv on
Sep 30, 2008 1:01 PM CDT
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I am wearing a pair of White Sox right now
(or Socks if you prefer that spelling)
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by Fishbone2 on
Sep 30, 2008 1:13 PM CDT
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I went without socks today
If I were to wear them tho, they would be white sox
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Sep 30, 2008 1:15 PM CDT
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I used to wear jeans on casual Fridays
with white sox
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by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 30, 2008 1:20 PM CDT
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I always wear white sox on casual friday
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Sep 30, 2008 1:20 PM CDT
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I, too
wear white sox on fridays.
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 30, 2008 1:21 PM CDT
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White Sox and penny loafers?
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by Fishbone2 on
Sep 30, 2008 1:21 PM CDT
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my dog "Hawk" is chewing on one of my WHITE SOX right now
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by derv on
Sep 30, 2008 1:22 PM CDT
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My buddy DJ has a collection of White Sox...
I tell him he’s crazy and that he needs to add some color to his collection but he insists on white sox.
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by Fishbone2 on
Sep 30, 2008 1:26 PM CDT
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I don't why every White Sox person here thinks it's White Sox
clever to make a bunch of White Sox posts about White Sox and about some White Sox fan who likes his White Sox. Can that be used in a sentence now as a swear word? as in “That was the most White Sox White Soxing call I’ve ever White Sox seen in all my years of watching this White Sox game. White Sox it all to hell.”
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on
Sep 30, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
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THAT - was REALLY funny!
Can that be used in a sentence now as a swear word? as in "That was the most White Sox White Soxing call I’ve ever White Sox seen in all my years of watching this White Sox game. White Sox it all to hell."
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by derv on
Sep 30, 2008 1:46 PM CDT
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I'm sorry, I can't hear you
I have a white sox in my ear.
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 30, 2008 2:13 PM CDT
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I hve white sox
on right now but they are on my feet not in my ear. :D
by sue369 on
Sep 30, 2008 2:36 PM CDT
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White Sox
and Chuck Taylors!
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 30, 2008 1:32 PM CDT
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Back then, they actually called themselves like the Cincinnati Red Stockings and then Red Legs and times and fashions changed
That to distinguish from other teams with names like Beaneaters and Orphans and Metropolitans and Hottentots and Bridegrooms and Spiders and Blues and Hoosiers, and Grays and Colonels and grey stockings and mutual of New York and Marooons, Trojans and my fav-Ruby Legs (sounds like a Munchkin league team from OZ,)
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on
Sep 30, 2008 8:06 PM CDT
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gloat?
his team hasn’t even clinched yet, and the post season is OVER. :P
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 30, 2008 12:58 PM CDT
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Is that what that silly little Sox Win post was last night?
I just ignored it; guess I don’t know the crawdad history.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on
Sep 30, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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He is out to prove the "myth" that Cub fans don't care about the White Sox
Which of course is ironic because he is Cub-sessed more than most.
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by nji232 on
Sep 30, 2008 11:01 AM CDT
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Inter-esting...Velly Inter-esting.
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on
Sep 30, 2008 11:02 AM CDT
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Yes
He posts more on a Cub board than a White Sox one.
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by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 30, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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And I really don't
understand why he does that.
by sue369 on
Sep 30, 2008 2:37 PM CDT
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because he's a troll.
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 30, 2008 2:39 PM CDT
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More like a semi-troll
He does add interesting discussion sometimes. He just can’t help himself with the obsession thing.
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by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 30, 2008 4:24 PM CDT
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trolls can be interesting.
but they’re always trolls. He’s always looking for a reaction, he’s always looking to bring the Cubs down.
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by drewishdrewid on
Sep 30, 2008 6:09 PM CDT
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I respectfully disagree
A pure troll never engages in thoughtful discussion. Dr C sometimes does.
Oh, and White Sox.
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by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 30, 2008 7:53 PM CDT
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By mentioning the White Sox, you say?
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by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 30, 2008 12:03 PM CDT
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The White Sox?
He actually searches to find out who uses the words White Sox? Mercy!
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by Bump Bailey on
Sep 30, 2008 12:10 PM CDT
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He does, indeed.
Then he tells the “offending poster” how often they mentioned the White Sox.
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by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 30, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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I saw that. Funny
+White Sox
Disposable dixie cup drinkin... I'm hiding out in the big city blinking...
by N Oakley on
Sep 30, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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White the Sox!
Are you kidding?
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on
Sep 30, 2008 1:01 PM CDT
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Mr. Krabs did indeed show himself.

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Sep 30, 2008 12:57 PM CDT
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So Kyle Loshe gets $41 million over 4 years
Basically the Ted Lilly contract for a pitcher who couldn’t hold Ted’s jock. Also this sets the market for starting pitching this winter. I would think Dempster has 55 million in the bank for sure now, possibly more.
CC could get 150 million if he wanted IMO.
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Sep 30, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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Ryan Dempster is in line for a ridiculous payday...
The bidding for Dempster might get crazy after CC Sabathia comes off the market. I’m guessing $55 to $60 million over 4 years to lock up Dempster.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
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Sep 30, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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I'm still confident that the Cubs will take care of Dempster this offseason
I just realize that its gonna cost a bit more than I thought at first.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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Me too...he as already said publically he wants to stay here...
…I suspect he will give the Cubs a nice discount just like Wood and A Ram did….
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Sep 30, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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Agreed
Dempster is needed on this team both for his pitching ability and his presence in the clubhouse. He keeps the guys loose and makes sure everyone is still having fun.
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by gwood on
Sep 30, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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Plus his Harry Carey Impression
wouldn’t be so appropriate with another team.
I heard a Rick Sutcliffe Interview where he gave Cap. Lou alot of credit for seeing the potential of his players, he cited:
Making Theriot an everyday SS
Making Demp a starter
Making Woody a reliever
Successfully Finding his car in the parking lot almost everyday.
Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....
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Sep 30, 2008 11:17 AM CDT
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and occasionally knowing where to drive his car
"You would never guess that a little innocent walk like that could lead to two runs" -- Dusty Baker
by KyCubsFan on
Sep 30, 2008 1:09 PM CDT
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Me too.
The Chicago Cubs: 2008 Central Division Champions
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Sep 30, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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The regular season games between the two appear to have been close and on the lower
scoring side. The Cubs should pitch well in this series, with the wildcard of Big Z’s noggin. The Dodgers have added one of the great players in the game on offense and the Cubs have not. I am expecting a very close/tough series, there’s good pitching on both sides but the Cubs bigs bats, primarily Lee & Soriano, have to be productive Our defense has to be tight and that concerns me because I don’t think it’s very good.
Cubs win in 5 games, but after that it’s the Phillies and I am not so optimistic.
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Sep 30, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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I feel like everybody in the national media assumes Big Z is gonna suck
I think that his game 2 start will be really good. he is gonna have lots of rest and be ready to go. Any starts after that could be iffy tho.
Also, the Phillies would scare me a lot less over 7 games.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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The Phillies lack of quality pitching would rear its ugly head
Myers hasn’t been nearly as good as he was when he came into Wrigley, leaving Hamels as the Phils’ only reliable starter.
However, let’s just get through LA before worrying about the NLCS.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:03 AM CDT
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What do you call what Jaime Moyer did all season...
And Moyer is the type of “crafty lefty” who has historically given the Cubs fits.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
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Sep 30, 2008 10:05 AM CDT
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Wanna know what I call what Brett Myers did all season?
I call it punching his wife in the face.
The Missouri Tigers (4-0) begin defense of their 2007 Big 12 Conference North Division title Saturday on the road, as they take on the Nebraska Cornhuskers (3-1) in Lincoln, Neb.
by PurpleLineToWrigley on
Sep 30, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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Inappropriate.
Let’s keep this to baseball, please.
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by Al on
Sep 30, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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I call what Jamie Moyer did being a crafty lefty
But would you want to take him into the playoffs and rely on him as your No. 2 starter? I wouldn’t.
And unless he’s pitching on the road, he’s not nearly as effective.
I like him, and I agree his pitching can give teams fits, but I’m not exactly afraid of him starting a game.
Besides, why are we worried about Philadelphia? The Cubs need to beat the Dodgers first.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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Especially if we get off to a good start
and win game 1, there is so much less pressure on him…
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More than the chance of Z sucking
I am afraid of him going against the Dodgers’ best starter. IF we get headcase Z, and even IF he battles through 5 decent innings anyway, it’s going to be hard to overcome that and the probable Howry usage to get the W in that game. Hence me being super nervous about the super crucial game 1. I think I should go drink some alcohol…
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Sep 30, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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I waited for Z to implode last post season...
…but when he got the ball, he was money. Pulling him early was a move Lou will always wonder about.
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Sep 30, 2008 12:05 PM CDT
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I agree... Z is the key to the entire series IMHO
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Sep 30, 2008 10:30 AM CDT
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It will come down to who makes the least mistakes
The Phillies and Brewers pitching staffs (with the exception of Lidge) are questionable, which would allow the Cubs to bash their way back into a game.
Against the Dodgers, Lou’s mantra of good pitching, timely hitting, and most importantly good defense will carry the day.
As long as the Cubs aren’t overconfident, they should be fine.
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The more I think about it the more I realize that Dome should be starting in RF for all these games
His bat is useless, but in a series that will stress defense Dome should be in RF for all nine innings. This is a big flip-flop in my thinking, but we need the best defense possible even if Dome screws himself into the ground every AB.
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+1
If he gets a couple of hits and his share of walks, we’ll be OK. Our main offense should come from DLee, Rami, Sori, Geo, JED and scrappy-do. If those guys don’t deliver, we’re not going anywhere.
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doubleplus good.
Dome’s glove is a critical component. Defense wins pennants.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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POWER Defense wins pennants!
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Sep 30, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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Plus
Dome is still tied for 4th in pitches per plate appearance, so he helps us get to bullpen faster if nothing else.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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Dome and Theriot in the lineup
virtually ensures that the Cubs will be into the opposing bullpen earlier.
Both of them work the counts to get the pitches they want (theoretically), and I think the approach still rubs off on the rest of the team, which helps.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:49 AM CDT
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Will people stop this please.
This has gone all year. Theriot does not work the count, he does not take pitches, he does not get to the opponents bullpen.
Dome, Ward, Edmonds, Rammy, Soto, Hampster, Lee, Koyie Hill (!), and DeRosa all have seen more pitches per plate appearance. Theriot is tied with Cedeno, Hoff, and RJ. And he is only a tiny bit ahead of Soriano.
OK? Enough.
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Brewers OVER the Phillies? For real?
I never even ‘considered’ that actually.
Wait a minute... who am I here?
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If the Brewers win game 1 that series is over IMO
It may go 5 games, but CC will win game 2 and game 5.
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That's if they get to him in game 5. That pitching staff
may not get them to 5 games.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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Does anyone already have the statistics between Phils-Brewers
games this season when CC was not pitching? Just curious how they match up without the bionic arm. Even if he gets them 2 wins I don’t see how they can win a third game with the rest of their pitching being what it is.
Tommie Agee was out.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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Phillies won the season series 6-1...
CC never pitched against them this year.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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Philly swept the in the series at phila. Scored 28 runs in 4 games.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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Sep 30, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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Thank you very much.
Tommie Agee was out.
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Interesting...
Yovani Gallardo, hotshot youngster (at least before he was hurt), is starting game # 1 against Cole Hamels. CC Sabathia goes in game # 2. Regardless, I still heavily favor the Phillies in this series. Citizens Park, Hamels, Lidge and that lineup are going to be tough for anybody to overcome.
Oh please let this dubious bullpen be good enough in the playoffs...
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That series will be fun to watch.
Two teams I have seen all season, good pitching matchups.
Here’s to them wearing them



