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Falling Slowly: Cubs 2, Reds 10

well you have suffered enough
and warred with yourself
it's time that you've won

take this sinking boat
and point it home
we've still got time
raise your hopeful voice
you had the choice
you've made it now

I happened to be out last night for part of last night's game and heard that song, the hauntingly beautiful ballad sung by Glen Hansard and Markéta Irglová from the movie "Once", which, incidentally, if you haven't seen, you should.

Fits, doesn't it? What more can be said about the Cubs' sixth straight loss, 10-2 to the Reds?

Doom & gloom thinking: for those of you who weren't around in 1969, this is how it felt. Note that I am in no way comparing the two teams or the two situations -- these Cubs are, after all, still four games in first place and in the driver's seat; but the feeling I have as a fan is the same. Feels like they'll never win again, although intellectually you know that isn't true.

Positive thinking: it also felt this way in 1984, when the Cubs, after running up a huge (9.5 game) lead in mid-September, lost five in a row by a combined score of 41-17 and looked just about as bad as they do now. They righted the ship by sweeping a doubleheader in St. Louis and went on to clinch the division.

More positive thinking: the last time the Cubs lost a game by eight runs and looked really bad doing it (13-5 to Washington on August 22), they followed it with a seven-game winning streak.

Right now I'd settle for one win; Alfonso Soriano put it best:

"We've struggled the last week, the last five, six games," Alfonso Soriano said. "We have to figure out how to get out of this. I know it's going to come. Good teams get out of slumps. When we come back, we'll be better.

"We just have to win one game," Soriano said. "That's all it takes. One game. It's very sad. Everybody's not happy."

"Everybody's not happy". Truer words were never spoken. There's not much point in recapping the play from last night's disaster. Ted Lilly got hit hard. Jon Lieber, whose ERA in GABP this season is now 20.25 (nine earned runs in four innings, with five homers allowed), got crushed. The only Cub who had a good night was Koyie Hill, who singled and doubled and drove in a run.

Positive thinking: Angel Guzman and Bob Howry threw scoreless innings. Guzman could be a real big help this month.

Seriously. What more can you say about a game where the manager and the first base coach got lost driving from Chicago to Cincinnati? You couldn't make this up:

"Matty was driving," [Lou] Piniella said, "but we actually 'Googled' the trip, and we were 'Googled' to East Liverpool, Pa. Who in the heck knows? On the sheet we had, it was 'Cincinnati to Liverpool.' I was thinking, I was in Cincinnati three years, and I didn't remember a 'Liverpool' around the area."

At that, you can only smile and laugh through your tears, right? Relax this afternoon, shake it off as the players will. This team is too good to have this last more than rightfreakingnow. They'll come out of it.

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you made a good point tho al..

through a 6 game losing streak.. (i really can’t believe we’ve lost 6 straight) we still are 4 games up. So needless to say the Brewers aren’t playing any better. I’ve been comparing our recent slump the White Sox back in 05, they sucked, and i’m saying that again SUCKED in Sept that year. Got hot right at the end and we all know what happened from there. Maybe we need to cool off only to get our groove back going middle end of the month!! GO CUBS GO!!!

"Go Cubs Go"

by mkcubs21 on Sep 6, 2008 8:15 AM CDT   0 recs

That was amazing as much as it pains me to say

They finished the regular season with a 5-game winning streak then including that finish, had two 8-gamers sandwiched around only an ALCS loss to the Angels to finish 2005 winning 16 of 17. It seems like they had 4 or 5 winning streaks of 8 games that year, including the playoffs.

All I want is the Cubs to be healthy and playing solid ball come October 1st and let the chips fall.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Sep 6, 2008 9:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The acute pain of 1969 has not completely...

gone away. But this is a different era, a different manager and a different team. They will snap out of it this time. Maybe today , maybe the next day, but the bats will snap out of it all at once and they’ll score a silly number of runs. Everyone will relax and just play and then we can all relax a little.

Until then, has anyone seen my laudanum?

"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill

by cubfever7 on Sep 6, 2008 8:19 AM CDT   0 recs

All teams go through it

I’d rather it be early September then early October! Let’s get this slump in now and then put it behind us.

Favorite Game - 'The Sandberg game" June 23, 1984

by Cub Fan Mike on Sep 6, 2008 8:21 AM CDT   0 recs

LSA

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 6, 2008 8:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What's LSA?

Favorite Game - 'The Sandberg game" June 23, 1984

by Cub Fan Mike on Sep 6, 2008 2:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whew, I feel better about myself now.

Is their a location on this site that defines all the acronyms?

Favorite Game - 'The Sandberg game" June 23, 1984

by Cub Fan Mike on Sep 6, 2008 3:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BCB Dictionary

on the right sidebar.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 6, 2008 3:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

me too

"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 6, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm taking this show

on the road to Cincy here in about hour and a half or so. Hopefully we can right the ship. We are too good of a team to keep this up.

Someday we'll go all the way.

by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Sep 6, 2008 8:23 AM CDT   0 recs

Don't get lost and avoid East Liverpool

The Beatles do NOT live there.

"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill

by cubfever7 on Sep 6, 2008 8:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I couldn't watch the game

once we were down 9-0 … hurt too much

On a less painful note, Once was my favorite film of 2008. It’s just lovely and the music is first rate and integrates seamlessly into the story. People either love the film or hate it. I loved it.

I still love the Cubs but it’s a melancholy love these days. The kind that makes me gaze upon them with a rueful smile, knowing they are capable of incandescence but right now they are stubborn and withholding.

I want my old Cubs back.

by Emelie on Sep 6, 2008 8:29 AM CDT   0 recs

Funny you mentioned '69

We were talking aboiut that during the game last night. Someone on this team needs to step up and be a leader- all you see right now is a bunch of guys with “deer in the headlights” looks.

Leo was the primary outspoken leader on the 1969 team- Lou seems to be the guy on this team. Hope we get a better ending, but it is getting a little worrisome.

"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69

by tommy veryzer on Sep 6, 2008 8:38 AM CDT   0 recs

Leo was in charge

but Santo was the team leader, and he didn’t take two days off to go to Camp Ojibwa, either (and then lied about it). That really cut into Leo’s authority.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Sep 6, 2008 2:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Although they weren't a playoff team,

IIRC, the 2001 Cubs lost 8 games in a row, then suddenly got red hot and won 12 in a row. Just as it had seemed they’d never win again, it felt during the win streak as though they might never lose again. I saw them win the 12th in a row at Miller Park on my birthday, and oh how sweet that was! Baseball is a strange thing…

"It's Happening..."

by Goodie1969 on Sep 6, 2008 8:41 AM CDT   0 recs

GRAND slam OUTTA the park, Goodie!

That’s the point! Anything can happen.

The way so many make it sound as if we’re just foreordained to crash and burn, then that blasted goat and the Year That Shall Not Be Mentioned gets cited, and the Alou Foul Ball Fumble gets aired, etc.

The difference here is that we know the Cubs are a better team then they’ve shown. They swept the Brewers and they are not going to remain out of synch for a month. It is With much of a season to remember in the can, and still a lot to come, we got to keep that in perspective. The Cubs are too good to just stop playing winning ball altogether. Hopefully, we will see it tonight. But, if not, very soon.

Some say that because these are the Cubs, it came to pass.

But it didn’t come to stay. GO CUBS!

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Sep 6, 2008 2:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I loved ONCE.

My girlfriend and I watched it, it concluded, and I turned to her and asked, “Wanna watch it again?”. She nodded “Yes”, and we started it back up. And “Falling Slowly” is the best Oscar song since “Streets of Philadelphia” by Bruce. I get sick of seeing Disney movies win that award. Oh, and “It’s Hard Out Here For A Pimp”, that one is actually good, too.

I digress…

Why have we not seen the Lou of television commercial past? Breaking things, screaming, red in the face, etc.? Does anyone agree this would be a damn good time? Maybe a good tirade at an ump, or a fiery speech in the clubhouse.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Sep 6, 2008 8:42 AM CDT   0 recs

Do you really think this team needs that?

The tirade last year was calculated, because Lou didn’t really have control of that team and roles weren’t yet defined.

That isn’t the case this year. A tirade or speech isn’t going to make a difference to these guys. They know what they have to do. Now it’s just a matter of doing it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 6, 2008 8:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

tirades have to be perfectly calibrated to time, circumstance, and specifics of each team. This team doesn’t need a tirade. I suspect they are hard enough on themselves and Lou’s disappointment in them is punishment enough. The only way out is through. Let’s hope today is the first step in that direction.

by Emelie on Sep 6, 2008 8:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I will only start to get worried if Lou decides to visit his stepson for two days in summer camp

like Leo did in 1969 (I don’t think Lou has a stepson, so that’s good for us!)

BTW, reading up about Leo and the 1969 collapse in wikipedia, I notice that Leo and Ernie Banks were having relationship problems—Ernie was apparently in the twilight of his career (but still wanted to play every day) and Leo wanted to bench him. But it was impossible to do so given the huge popularity of Mr. Cub. Some of the BCBers here might like to draw an analogy to DLee, but maybe that is a stretch.

by zevkalman on Sep 6, 2008 8:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Durocher's thing with Banks...

… long predated 1969. Banks actually had a pretty good year in ’69, with 106 RBI. He was the oldest position player in baseball that year.

Durocher’s summer camp visit, obviously, was way before September.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 6, 2008 12:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Durocher

wanted to replace Banks with Orlando Cepeda when he took over in 1966. The Giants liked Ray Sadecki better than Dick Ellsworth, and Leo didn’t get him.

As hard as it is to say it, the Cubs probably make the World Series sometime between 1968-1970 if they’ve got Cepeda playing first instead of Banks.

Leo was right, unfortunately. And Banks had all those RBI because he was batting behind Billy Williams and Ron Santo. 1969 was the worst season of his career, except for his dreadful 1963.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Sep 6, 2008 2:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

compelling situation .. and possibly, possibly right ..

A 1969 WS without Mr. Cub sounds like heresy. But the stats don’t lie ..

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Sep 6, 2008 3:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Compared to the average player...

…Banks had a worse season in ’69, partly because the league average was softer in 1963, and partly because he played more in ’69.

by cwyers on Sep 6, 2008 3:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The OPS+ was lower

in 1969, but it was close enough that I’m willing to say that 1963 was worse just based on the OBP, second dead-ball era or not. (Of course, it’s not like 1969 was a big offense year. But they did lower the mound.) The EQA was the same (.251) in both seasons.

You could say that 1969 was worse because he played more, but when you consider that the missed time in 1963 meant giving ABs to Steve Boros and John Boccabella, I’m sticking with 1963 being worse.

Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?

by Josh77 on Sep 6, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Banks had the mumps in 1963.

Even when he played, he wasn’t 100%.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 6, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the tirade was to take focus off the

fight the day before, not necessarily Lou not having lost or never having gained control of the team. It was calculated, you bet it was. Roles were being defined and I could only believe that Lou had already talked with Jim about #8 then, before June 1st. After June 1st, or say during his 4-game suspension, I figure the final decision was made to move #8, regardless of circumstance.

Watching this guy for 300 games now, I can’t imagine a day or even hour goes by that he doesn’t have control of his club house. He is the anti Dusty Baker; thankfully for millions of us fans.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Sep 6, 2008 9:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He had a team meeting before the game

or was planning on it to talk about his experiences as a player on all those playoff yankee teams. thats what he said on the pregame show w/ santo anyway.

I think Edmonds or Lee needs to get up and say something to rally the troops.

Missing Milton...

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 6, 2008 1:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm tired of losing

tonight is as good of time as any to stop playing like schmucks and get back to the business of winning like we have all season. As said earlier, would rather have this happen now. I think we’ll be OK.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Sep 6, 2008 8:54 AM CDT   0 recs

Pro ball players should be able to perform without a “tirade” or event. But I caught myself wishing for one last night to get things turned around. By the way, it was extra brutal for me. High school football on the am radio, no tv coverage, I had to listen to the reds
on XM. Horrible. The B and B show was really havin a great time. I had to turn the sound down and watch the score scroll across the dial….

ailsle 409 - row 6 -seat 3 -June 23, 1984..price $6.50

by O'Cub on Sep 6, 2008 9:01 AM CDT   0 recs

Al, thanks for the word of encouragement

Tossing and turning in my bed last night trying to figure out why I put so much importance on a stupid baseball game.
Perspective please…Even if the Cubs totally blow it this year and don’t make the playoffs(which they won’t do), life goes on it is only a game and there are many more important things in life which come before the Cubs.
I think sometimes we get so caught up in this game that maybe we lose some perspective on life.
Breathe in, breathe out, we’ll get there and if we don’t…life goes on.

Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is now way to go through life son.

by alabebo on Sep 6, 2008 9:03 AM CDT   0 recs

Trying to Hold It Together

Sorry Al, but this is not quite exactly how 1969 felt, at least not for me. Then, as a boy, I had a heart instead of a mass of scar tissue — like many other Cubs fans, the ’69 team completely tore my heart out. Scar tissue that has been ripped open repeatedly over the years, especially in 1984 and 2003. So the naive optimism of youth is gone and it is very hard trying to hold it together now. This is certainly a very different team and year. But it is sure getting harder and harder to swallow as the shadows of fatalism creep closer.

Still, this is by far the best Cubs team in my lifetime. And this losing streak can be nothing but a bad memory if we put a few wins together …..

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Sep 6, 2008 9:05 AM CDT   0 recs

I can relate completely

I was a little too young to be affected by ‘69-for me it was the ’84 team’s sudden collapse that hurt the most. After ‘03, I promised myself that I’d never get completely sucked in again-for the most part I’ve managed to keep from getting too carried away this season but, all that being said, the last few days have been like having my teeth pulled one by one.
Maybe things will turn out differently this time. But I’m definitely prepared for the worst right now.

by bluekoolaide on Sep 6, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1000

You younguns lissen to these old coots .. theyziz right .. This is a team of destiny going through a rough stretch.

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Sep 6, 2008 3:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Same for me

1969 I was 10, a.most 11 years old and that season broke my heart. Even the failures in ‘84, ’89, and ’98 weren’t as painful. Then, 2003 happened, 5 outs away. That broke my heart again. I was ALMOST on the phone, calling my brother to tell him I was coming back to Chicago for the WS. This Cubs team is WS bound in my heart, and this losing streak is frustrating, but not the end of the world. The only way my heart gets broken this year is if we lose it to the White Sux.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Sep 6, 2008 3:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I lived through both 1969 and 2003 too

and I will tell you that I never trusted the 2003 team (I always thought we had a mediocre defense). When we lost game 5 in FLA, I had a sick feeling that we were not going to get to the promised land. I was actually in Chicago for those last two days and turned down chances to go as I remember saying, “I have a sick feeling about this and I’d rather watch on TV.” 2003 was sad, but it did not tear my heart out. 1969 was so, so painful. The friggin Mets!

I feel much better about this year’s team. obviously, you can always hit a cold streak at any time (or a hot steak!), but I don’t see a weakness on this team…when they put the pieces together. There is a good reason that they have had the best record in the NL for most of the season. It is no fluke.

THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!

by LAcarl519 on Sep 6, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This was expected...

After our nice 7 game win streak, I had this kind of losing streak in the back of my mind. I was worried that maybe we were peaking too early, that we could slump come October. Let’s get this crappy baseball out of the way now, and surge into and through the playoffs!

"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."

by CubsBullsBears on Sep 6, 2008 9:15 AM CDT   0 recs

NFW

am I going to let ‘69, ’84, ’89 or ’04 affect how I feel. Ya think doom and gloom, it’s gonna happen. Like the late-great Sweetness used to say when asked by reporters about injury worries, “if you think you’re gonna get hurt, you’re gonna get hurt”.

All these problems (or it can be viewed on the rosy side they’re 7-6 in their last 13) and the lead is only 1 game less than at the end of July when they completed that 4-game massacre at Wrigley North.

No way, no way, no way are they gonna collapse. Besides I have great playoff tickets and I’m not about to let that opportunity go awry.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Sep 6, 2008 9:16 AM CDT   0 recs

"Sweetness" --now THAT was a football player...

"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill

by cubfever7 on Sep 6, 2008 9:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who would have thought the most important quote of the night would come from Soriano?

He’s right on with this one. All it takes is one win. Let’s hope they build up that ‘full head of steam’ (as Reggie Miller would say) and that we can all laugh about the beginning of September come October.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 6, 2008 9:18 AM CDT   0 recs

It's difficult to take a quote

from Soriano seriously. After all, he’s a big part of the problem. He stands around and watches as many games as we do. He should be able to see what’s happening.

"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by mattvegas on Sep 6, 2008 12:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh huh b/c all he ever does is loaf around

he never ever does the right thing.

Whatever.

Missing Milton...

by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 6, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ten games ago...

the Cubs were four games up. Was it nine or ten series wins in a row? They split with the Phillies. Forget about Houston. This series is still winable. Notice the Cubs and Sox scores? Good team bad team win lose symmetry. Catch it! Watch what happens. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

"This field, this game...it reminds us of all that once was good, and it could be again." ~ Terence Mann

by chr15 on Sep 6, 2008 9:24 AM CDT   0 recs

Is That Humor

or do you really think the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

And so it goes.

by Luigi on Sep 6, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Here. Foul language. Not safe for work.

by cwyers on Sep 6, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it should be

“The Waiting.” That is, after all, the hardest part…

"It's Happening..."

by Goodie1969 on Sep 6, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, that's weird...

Why this double-posted here and below (where it actually makes sense) is beyond me…

"It's Happening..."

by Goodie1969 on Sep 6, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Im thankful for the Wild Card, it's keeping me out of panic mode

So will college football this afternoon

"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 6, 2008 9:27 AM CDT   0 recs

8 over philadelphia

6 over new york (NL East leader)

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 6, 2008 9:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's time to do my part

the Cubs were 1-6 since we got the dog a new Cubs collar. Today, the collar is off, her old one back on. Hopefully that will help as well.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 6, 2008 9:43 AM CDT   0 recs

I do not understand any of you.

This thread confuses me. What’s the point? It’s OBVIOUS we will NOT will another game for the REST OF THE YEAR. Just DEAL WITH IT. We SUCK. OK??? Sheesh.

(we’ll be fine, everyone – trust me)

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on Sep 6, 2008 9:58 AM CDT   0 recs

On a more important note

You’re right, we will be fine imo.

by cubsfaninatl on Sep 6, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

PAAAAANIC!!!

AHHHHHH!!!

"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella

by Lou In Blue on Sep 6, 2008 10:01 AM CDT   0 recs

Funk

This team has no life, no verve right now. Z is out for a while, everybody looks tired and uninspired. With Marquis and Marshall pitching and with us playing Cinci, I won’t be surprised if the losing continues for two more games. If they’re going to go on a crap streak might as well do it all at once and as a group. But I susupect by the time they arrive in St. Louis they will get fired up facing the traditional enemy and start winning again.

by Carolina Cubbie on Sep 6, 2008 10:06 AM CDT   0 recs

I actually

Have a lot of confidence in Marquis, he has been pitching well, maybe the best out of the last 2 starts, and I feel he will pitch a good game today. And its Cinci, hopefully, our bats will wake up.

by cubsfaninatl on Sep 6, 2008 10:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree.

Sometimes the most inspired moments come from those you least expect it coming from and at a time you least expect it.

Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on Sep 6, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

See: Estes, Shawn. Circa September, 2003.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Sep 6, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And, Estes helped us out again just the other night.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 6, 2008 12:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

exactly....someone will step up and if its Marquis all the better

"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08

by JB 23 on Sep 6, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I sure don't rule out a win tonight

and Marquis and Marshall are both very capable pitchers. I suspect that the Cubs need a wake-up call. There’s no crown enthusiasm in Cinci, so the sleep-walking might continue. But I think they’ll get a warm “greeting” in St. Louis, it might be just what they need.

by Carolina Cubbie on Sep 6, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lou should...

take the guys out bowling or something…clear their heads…get them loose…

by coral on Sep 6, 2008 10:11 AM CDT   0 recs

Bowling?

Just wacky enough that it might work.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 6, 2008 12:27 PM CDT