Falling Slowly: Cubs 2, Reds 10
well you have suffered enough
and warred with yourself
it's time that you've wontake this sinking boat
and point it home
we've still got time
raise your hopeful voice
you had the choice
you've made it now
I happened to be out last night for part of last night's game and heard that song, the hauntingly beautiful ballad sung by Glen Hansard and Markéta Irglová from the movie "Once", which, incidentally, if you haven't seen, you should.
Fits, doesn't it? What more can be said about the Cubs' sixth straight loss, 10-2 to the Reds?
Doom & gloom thinking: for those of you who weren't around in 1969, this is how it felt. Note that I am in no way comparing the two teams or the two situations -- these Cubs are, after all, still four games in first place and in the driver's seat; but the feeling I have as a fan is the same. Feels like they'll never win again, although intellectually you know that isn't true.
Positive thinking: it also felt this way in 1984, when the Cubs, after running up a huge (9.5 game) lead in mid-September, lost five in a row by a combined score of 41-17 and looked just about as bad as they do now. They righted the ship by sweeping a doubleheader in St. Louis and went on to clinch the division.
More positive thinking: the last time the Cubs lost a game by eight runs and looked really bad doing it (13-5 to Washington on August 22), they followed it with a seven-game winning streak.
Right now I'd settle for one win; Alfonso Soriano put it best:"We've struggled the last week, the last five, six games," Alfonso Soriano said. "We have to figure out how to get out of this. I know it's going to come. Good teams get out of slumps. When we come back, we'll be better.
"We just have to win one game," Soriano said. "That's all it takes. One game. It's very sad. Everybody's not happy."
"Everybody's not happy". Truer words were never spoken. There's not much point in recapping the play from last night's disaster. Ted Lilly got hit hard. Jon Lieber, whose ERA in GABP this season is now 20.25 (nine earned runs in four innings, with five homers allowed), got crushed. The only Cub who had a good night was Koyie Hill, who singled and doubled and drove in a run.
Positive thinking: Angel Guzman and Bob Howry threw scoreless innings. Guzman could be a real big help this month.
Seriously. What more can you say about a game where the manager and the first base coach got lost driving from Chicago to Cincinnati? You couldn't make this up:
"Matty was driving," [Lou] Piniella said, "but we actually 'Googled' the trip, and we were 'Googled' to East Liverpool, Pa. Who in the heck knows? On the sheet we had, it was 'Cincinnati to Liverpool.' I was thinking, I was in Cincinnati three years, and I didn't remember a 'Liverpool' around the area."
At that, you can only smile and laugh through your tears, right? Relax this afternoon, shake it off as the players will. This team is too good to have this last more than rightfreakingnow. They'll come out of it.
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you made a good point tho al..
through a 6 game losing streak.. (i really can’t believe we’ve lost 6 straight) we still are 4 games up. So needless to say the Brewers aren’t playing any better. I’ve been comparing our recent slump the White Sox back in 05, they sucked, and i’m saying that again SUCKED in Sept that year. Got hot right at the end and we all know what happened from there. Maybe we need to cool off only to get our groove back going middle end of the month!! GO CUBS GO!!!
"Go Cubs Go"
by mkcubs21 on Sep 6, 2008 8:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was amazing as much as it pains me to say
They finished the regular season with a 5-game winning streak then including that finish, had two 8-gamers sandwiched around only an ALCS loss to the Angels to finish 2005 winning 16 of 17. It seems like they had 4 or 5 winning streaks of 8 games that year, including the playoffs.
All I want is the Cubs to be healthy and playing solid ball come October 1st and let the chips fall.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Sep 6, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The acute pain of 1969 has not completely...
gone away. But this is a different era, a different manager and a different team. They will snap out of it this time. Maybe today , maybe the next day, but the bats will snap out of it all at once and they’ll score a silly number of runs. Everyone will relax and just play and then we can all relax a little.
Until then, has anyone seen my laudanum?
"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill
by cubfever7 on Sep 6, 2008 8:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All teams go through it
I’d rather it be early September then early October! Let’s get this slump in now and then put it behind us.
Favorite Game - 'The Sandberg game" June 23, 1984
by Cub Fan Mike on Sep 6, 2008 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LSA
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 6, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's LSA?
Favorite Game - 'The Sandberg game" June 23, 1984
by Cub Fan Mike on Sep 6, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whew, I feel better about myself now.
Is their a location on this site that defines all the acronyms?
Favorite Game - 'The Sandberg game" June 23, 1984
by Cub Fan Mike on Sep 6, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BCB Dictionary
on the right sidebar.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 6, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I alwayss thought it was loud, oops.
by GoCubbies34 on Sep 6, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 6, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm taking this show
on the road to Cincy here in about hour and a half or so. Hopefully we can right the ship. We are too good of a team to keep this up.
Someday we'll go all the way.
by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Sep 6, 2008 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't get lost and avoid East Liverpool
The Beatles do NOT live there.
"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill
by cubfever7 on Sep 6, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't watch the game
once we were down 9-0 … hurt too much
On a less painful note, Once was my favorite film of 2008. It’s just lovely and the music is first rate and integrates seamlessly into the story. People either love the film or hate it. I loved it.
I still love the Cubs but it’s a melancholy love these days. The kind that makes me gaze upon them with a rueful smile, knowing they are capable of incandescence but right now they are stubborn and withholding.
I want my old Cubs back.
by Emelie on Sep 6, 2008 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny you mentioned '69
We were talking aboiut that during the game last night. Someone on this team needs to step up and be a leader- all you see right now is a bunch of guys with “deer in the headlights” looks.
Leo was the primary outspoken leader on the 1969 team- Lou seems to be the guy on this team. Hope we get a better ending, but it is getting a little worrisome.
"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69
by tommy veryzer on Sep 6, 2008 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Leo was in charge
but Santo was the team leader, and he didn’t take two days off to go to Camp Ojibwa, either (and then lied about it). That really cut into Leo’s authority.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on Sep 6, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although they weren't a playoff team,
IIRC, the 2001 Cubs lost 8 games in a row, then suddenly got red hot and won 12 in a row. Just as it had seemed they’d never win again, it felt during the win streak as though they might never lose again. I saw them win the 12th in a row at Miller Park on my birthday, and oh how sweet that was! Baseball is a strange thing…
"It's Happening..."
by Goodie1969 on Sep 6, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
GRAND slam OUTTA the park, Goodie!
That’s the point! Anything can happen.
The way so many make it sound as if we’re just foreordained to crash and burn, then that blasted goat and the Year That Shall Not Be Mentioned gets cited, and the Alou Foul Ball Fumble gets aired, etc.
The difference here is that we know the Cubs are a better team then they’ve shown. They swept the Brewers and they are not going to remain out of synch for a month. It is With much of a season to remember in the can, and still a lot to come, we got to keep that in perspective. The Cubs are too good to just stop playing winning ball altogether. Hopefully, we will see it tonight. But, if not, very soon.
Some say that because these are the Cubs, it came to pass.
But it didn’t come to stay. GO CUBS!
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Sep 6, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved ONCE.
My girlfriend and I watched it, it concluded, and I turned to her and asked, “Wanna watch it again?”. She nodded “Yes”, and we started it back up. And “Falling Slowly” is the best Oscar song since “Streets of Philadelphia” by Bruce. I get sick of seeing Disney movies win that award. Oh, and “It’s Hard Out Here For A Pimp”, that one is actually good, too.
I digress…
Why have we not seen the Lou of television commercial past? Breaking things, screaming, red in the face, etc.? Does anyone agree this would be a damn good time? Maybe a good tirade at an ump, or a fiery speech in the clubhouse.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Sep 6, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think this team needs that?
The tirade last year was calculated, because Lou didn’t really have control of that team and roles weren’t yet defined.
That isn’t the case this year. A tirade or speech isn’t going to make a difference to these guys. They know what they have to do. Now it’s just a matter of doing it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 6, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
tirades have to be perfectly calibrated to time, circumstance, and specifics of each team. This team doesn’t need a tirade. I suspect they are hard enough on themselves and Lou’s disappointment in them is punishment enough. The only way out is through. Let’s hope today is the first step in that direction.
by Emelie on Sep 6, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will only start to get worried if Lou decides to visit his stepson for two days in summer camp
like Leo did in 1969 (I don’t think Lou has a stepson, so that’s good for us!)
BTW, reading up about Leo and the 1969 collapse in wikipedia, I notice that Leo and Ernie Banks were having relationship problems—Ernie was apparently in the twilight of his career (but still wanted to play every day) and Leo wanted to bench him. But it was impossible to do so given the huge popularity of Mr. Cub. Some of the BCBers here might like to draw an analogy to DLee, but maybe that is a stretch.
by zevkalman on Sep 6, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Durocher's thing with Banks...
… long predated 1969. Banks actually had a pretty good year in ’69, with 106 RBI. He was the oldest position player in baseball that year.
Durocher’s summer camp visit, obviously, was way before September.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 6, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Durocher
wanted to replace Banks with Orlando Cepeda when he took over in 1966. The Giants liked Ray Sadecki better than Dick Ellsworth, and Leo didn’t get him.
As hard as it is to say it, the Cubs probably make the World Series sometime between 1968-1970 if they’ve got Cepeda playing first instead of Banks.
Leo was right, unfortunately. And Banks had all those RBI because he was batting behind Billy Williams and Ron Santo. 1969 was the worst season of his career, except for his dreadful 1963.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on Sep 6, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
compelling situation .. and possibly, possibly right ..
A 1969 WS without Mr. Cub sounds like heresy. But the stats don’t lie ..
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Sep 6, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compared to the average player...
…Banks had a worse season in ’69, partly because the league average was softer in 1963, and partly because he played more in ’69.
by cwyers on Sep 6, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The OPS+ was lower
in 1969, but it was close enough that I’m willing to say that 1963 was worse just based on the OBP, second dead-ball era or not. (Of course, it’s not like 1969 was a big offense year. But they did lower the mound.) The EQA was the same (.251) in both seasons.
You could say that 1969 was worse because he played more, but when you consider that the missed time in 1963 meant giving ABs to Steve Boros and John Boccabella, I’m sticking with 1963 being worse.
Borowy . . .Sutcliffe . . .Harden?
by Josh77 on Sep 6, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Banks had the mumps in 1963.
Even when he played, he wasn’t 100%.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 6, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the tirade was to take focus off the
fight the day before, not necessarily Lou not having lost or never having gained control of the team. It was calculated, you bet it was. Roles were being defined and I could only believe that Lou had already talked with Jim about #8 then, before June 1st. After June 1st, or say during his 4-game suspension, I figure the final decision was made to move #8, regardless of circumstance.
Watching this guy for 300 games now, I can’t imagine a day or even hour goes by that he doesn’t have control of his club house. He is the anti Dusty Baker; thankfully for millions of us fans.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Sep 6, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of me is hoping to see Lou blow his top, but in reality these guys know what they have to do, they're not kids that need to be repremanded by Dad, This is just a bad streak we'll bounce back.
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is now way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Sep 6, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a team meeting before the game
or was planning on it to talk about his experiences as a player on all those playoff yankee teams. thats what he said on the pregame show w/ santo anyway.
I think Edmonds or Lee needs to get up and say something to rally the troops.
Missing Milton...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 6, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of losing
tonight is as good of time as any to stop playing like schmucks and get back to the business of winning like we have all season. As said earlier, would rather have this happen now. I think we’ll be OK.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Sep 6, 2008 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pro ball players should be able to perform without a “tirade” or event. But I caught myself wishing for one last night to get things turned around. By the way, it was extra brutal for me. High school football on the am radio, no tv coverage, I had to listen to the reds
on XM. Horrible. The B and B show was really havin a great time. I had to turn the sound down and watch the score scroll across the dial….
ailsle 409 - row 6 -seat 3 -June 23, 1984..price $6.50
by O'Cub on Sep 6, 2008 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al, thanks for the word of encouragement
Tossing and turning in my bed last night trying to figure out why I put so much importance on a stupid baseball game.
Perspective please…Even if the Cubs totally blow it this year and don’t make the playoffs(which they won’t do), life goes on it is only a game and there are many more important things in life which come before the Cubs.
I think sometimes we get so caught up in this game that maybe we lose some perspective on life.
Breathe in, breathe out, we’ll get there and if we don’t…life goes on.
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is now way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Sep 6, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trying to Hold It Together
Sorry Al, but this is not quite exactly how 1969 felt, at least not for me. Then, as a boy, I had a heart instead of a mass of scar tissue — like many other Cubs fans, the ’69 team completely tore my heart out. Scar tissue that has been ripped open repeatedly over the years, especially in 1984 and 2003. So the naive optimism of youth is gone and it is very hard trying to hold it together now. This is certainly a very different team and year. But it is sure getting harder and harder to swallow as the shadows of fatalism creep closer.
Still, this is by far the best Cubs team in my lifetime. And this losing streak can be nothing but a bad memory if we put a few wins together …..
If It Takes Forever ....
by wrigley1 on Sep 6, 2008 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can relate completely
I was a little too young to be affected by ‘69-for me it was the ’84 team’s sudden collapse that hurt the most. After ‘03, I promised myself that I’d never get completely sucked in again-for the most part I’ve managed to keep from getting too carried away this season but, all that being said, the last few days have been like having my teeth pulled one by one.
Maybe things will turn out differently this time. But I’m definitely prepared for the worst right now.
by bluekoolaide on Sep 6, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
You younguns lissen to these old coots .. theyziz right .. This is a team of destiny going through a rough stretch.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Sep 6, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same for me
1969 I was 10, a.most 11 years old and that season broke my heart. Even the failures in ‘84, ’89, and ’98 weren’t as painful. Then, 2003 happened, 5 outs away. That broke my heart again. I was ALMOST on the phone, calling my brother to tell him I was coming back to Chicago for the WS. This Cubs team is WS bound in my heart, and this losing streak is frustrating, but not the end of the world. The only way my heart gets broken this year is if we lose it to the White Sux.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Sep 6, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lived through both 1969 and 2003 too
and I will tell you that I never trusted the 2003 team (I always thought we had a mediocre defense). When we lost game 5 in FLA, I had a sick feeling that we were not going to get to the promised land. I was actually in Chicago for those last two days and turned down chances to go as I remember saying, “I have a sick feeling about this and I’d rather watch on TV.” 2003 was sad, but it did not tear my heart out. 1969 was so, so painful. The friggin Mets!
I feel much better about this year’s team. obviously, you can always hit a cold streak at any time (or a hot steak!), but I don’t see a weakness on this team…when they put the pieces together. There is a good reason that they have had the best record in the NL for most of the season. It is no fluke.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 6, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was expected...
After our nice 7 game win streak, I had this kind of losing streak in the back of my mind. I was worried that maybe we were peaking too early, that we could slump come October. Let’s get this crappy baseball out of the way now, and surge into and through the playoffs!
"Remember each day this year, where you were, what you were doing, who you were with, how you felt as the Cubs win their way through it. Because if this does turn out to be the promised land we have all been waiting for, you will want to remember, savor, cherish every moment..."
by CubsBullsBears on Sep 6, 2008 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NFW
am I going to let ‘69, ’84, ’89 or ’04 affect how I feel. Ya think doom and gloom, it’s gonna happen. Like the late-great Sweetness used to say when asked by reporters about injury worries, “if you think you’re gonna get hurt, you’re gonna get hurt”.
All these problems (or it can be viewed on the rosy side they’re 7-6 in their last 13) and the lead is only 1 game less than at the end of July when they completed that 4-game massacre at Wrigley North.
No way, no way, no way are they gonna collapse. Besides I have great playoff tickets and I’m not about to let that opportunity go awry.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Sep 6, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Sweetness" --now THAT was a football player...
"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill
by cubfever7 on Sep 6, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would have thought the most important quote of the night would come from Soriano?
He’s right on with this one. All it takes is one win. Let’s hope they build up that ‘full head of steam’ (as Reggie Miller would say) and that we can all laugh about the beginning of September come October.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 6, 2008 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's difficult to take a quote
from Soriano seriously. After all, he’s a big part of the problem. He stands around and watches as many games as we do. He should be able to see what’s happening.
"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse
by mattvegas on Sep 6, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh huh b/c all he ever does is loaf around
he never ever does the right thing.
Whatever.
Missing Milton...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 6, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ten games ago...
the Cubs were four games up. Was it nine or ten series wins in a row? They split with the Phillies. Forget about Houston. This series is still winable. Notice the Cubs and Sox scores? Good team bad team win lose symmetry. Catch it! Watch what happens. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
"This field, this game...it reminds us of all that once was good, and it could be again." ~ Terence Mann
by chr15 on Sep 6, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is That Humor
or do you really think the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
And so it goes.
by Luigi on Sep 6, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it should be
“The Waiting.” That is, after all, the hardest part…
"It's Happening..."
by Goodie1969 on Sep 6, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's weird...
Why this double-posted here and below (where it actually makes sense) is beyond me…
"It's Happening..."
by Goodie1969 on Sep 6, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im thankful for the Wild Card, it's keeping me out of panic mode
So will college football this afternoon
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 6, 2008 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha, how "big" is our lead in the wild card?
by cubsfaninatl on Sep 6, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 over philadelphia
6 over new york (NL East leader)
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 6, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's time to do my part
the Cubs were 1-6 since we got the dog a new Cubs collar. Today, the collar is off, her old one back on. Hopefully that will help as well.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 6, 2008 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I do not understand any of you.
This thread confuses me. What’s the point? It’s OBVIOUS we will NOT will another game for the REST OF THE YEAR. Just DEAL WITH IT. We SUCK. OK??? Sheesh.
(we’ll be fine, everyone – trust me)
Wait a minute... who am I here?
by malicedoom on Sep 6, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On a more important note
You’re right, we will be fine imo.
by cubsfaninatl on Sep 6, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PAAAAANIC!!!
AHHHHHH!!!
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on Sep 6, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say panic if and when the Brewers pass us up, until then they're still chasing us
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is now way to go through life son.
by alabebo on Sep 6, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funk
This team has no life, no verve right now. Z is out for a while, everybody looks tired and uninspired. With Marquis and Marshall pitching and with us playing Cinci, I won’t be surprised if the losing continues for two more games. If they’re going to go on a crap streak might as well do it all at once and as a group. But I susupect by the time they arrive in St. Louis they will get fired up facing the traditional enemy and start winning again.
by Carolina Cubbie on Sep 6, 2008 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually
Have a lot of confidence in Marquis, he has been pitching well, maybe the best out of the last 2 starts, and I feel he will pitch a good game today. And its Cinci, hopefully, our bats will wake up.
by cubsfaninatl on Sep 6, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Sometimes the most inspired moments come from those you least expect it coming from and at a time you least expect it.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)
by Zeke on Sep 6, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See: Estes, Shawn. Circa September, 2003.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Sep 6, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, Estes helped us out again just the other night.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 6, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly....someone will step up and if its Marquis all the better
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on Sep 6, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure don't rule out a win tonight
and Marquis and Marshall are both very capable pitchers. I suspect that the Cubs need a wake-up call. There’s no crown enthusiasm in Cinci, so the sleep-walking might continue. But I think they’ll get a warm “greeting” in St. Louis, it might be just what they need.
by Carolina Cubbie on Sep 6, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou should...
take the guys out bowling or something…clear their heads…get them loose…
by coral on Sep 6, 2008 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just don't let him or Sinatro drive.
"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse
by mattvegas on Sep 6, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This too shall pass...
"Doom & gloom thinking: for those of you who weren’t around in 1969, this is how it felt. "
To a degree Al, it DOES feel a little like that, but I have to say many of the positive points you made are right on the money.
I’ve been thinking about this over the last few days and despite my years of being a Cubs fan and wanting to assume the glass is not only half full, but the glass is full of kerosene and on fire, I realized there are a lot of ways to put a positive spin on all this.
First off, we have each other here at BCB to help bolster our spirits. In 1969, there was no internet- no collective "Cubs Nation" in the sense that we could instantly communicate with each other to share our passion , our fears or our emotions on this kind of scale. There IS strength in numbers and while is normal to knee jerk to assume the sky is falling, it’s not. Last I checked, the sun came up this morning and the great thing about baseball is that today is another day- we don’t have to wait a week, like in the NFL, to play again. And I want the Cubs to get back out there as soon as possible and post a win.
The Cubs spent months building up the best record in the national league. They have stellar run producing capability and their pitching staff is very good- not perfect, no team’s staff is- but MANY, MANY teams would love to be in the Cubs’ situation (hello, Detroit Tigers, the presumptive American League Champion at the start of the year).
Let’s keep this all in perspective. All teams have slumps in a season. I too, feared the Cubs were peaking too early and wondered whether they would slump in the playoffs. Well, as I choose to see it, they are getting it out of the way now. OK, that cushion they built can (and I believe WILL) withstand this. This is the payoff of that work- resiliency.
In 1969, there was no Wild Card. The Cubs have an 8 game cushion there with 21 games to play. They are in a very enviable position.
Did I mention that the Cubs have the best record in the national league? (Yeah, I know I did, but it bears repeating). No other team in the majors has won more games.
The Brewers and the Phillies have tough upcoming series too. Ditto for the Cardinals, the Mets and Marlins. Even Houston if you want to play that scenario out in your mind. And I guarantee those teams will suffer surprising losses to teams they figure to beat handily. That’s what makes September the most interesting month of the season in baseball. In some ways, more so than October, I think.
The season is a marathon. We hit the wall a bit here, but we WILL get through this. All things that are worthwhile are tough to attain. They require dedication, hard work and a positive attitude. This Cubs team has that. They’ve suffered a bit of a smack in the mouth this past week, but they will come out of it- and a better team for it.
Stay positive. Cubs Nation needs to continue to be the best fan base in sports.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)
by Zeke on Sep 6, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Great post Zeke--said it all!
"Never. Never. Never. Give up."
Winston Churchill
by cubfever7 on Sep 6, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 I agree great post
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 6, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for this great perspective.
I feel better now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 6, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you deserve the green post also!
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 6, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks folks. I believe what I wrote. It wasn't just waxing poetic.
I’ve never see the "green: post. How appropriate for a Spartan! THANK YOU!
…and yes we won today, 42-10 vs. Eastern Michigan. :)
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)
by Zeke on Sep 6, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep this in perspective
We’re 2 games in the loss column (1 gb) behind the rays for best in the majors, and we’re 1 game behind the Angels in the loss column (0.5 gb) for the 2nd best.
by cubsfaninatl on Sep 6, 2008 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Scored free tix to the Cardinal game last night
and the first thing I looked towards was the scoreboard. 9-0?! Well, that sucked. But this team is too good to continue like this, we’re still four ahead of the Brewers (not to mention, worst-case scenario, Wild Card standings) and this is happening in early September, not October. Things will be fine. And I’m going Wednesday night, so things better be right by then. :D
Also, when I saw the headline of the recap today I instantly thought of Once. Absolutely loved that movie. Learned “Falling Slowly” on guitar myself and got to see The Swell Season in concert back in May. Breathtaking.
make/art
by neverAcquiesce on Sep 6, 2008 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it time...
…to change the Tom Petty theme from “Running Down A Dream” to “Free Falling?”
by sniffy the bee on Sep 6, 2008 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it should be
“The Waiting.” That is, after all, the hardest part…
"It's Happening..."
by Goodie1969 on Sep 6, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or how about "You don't know how it feels"
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Sep 6, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Last Dance With Mary Jane, One More Time To Kill The Pain"
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 6, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who else would have loved to have been in the back seat for that car ride?
…just to listen to the banter between Lou and Sinatro would be hilarious I bet, especially once Lou realized they were lost.
"When I got to Chicago, fans came to Wrigley Field just to have fun, now they come to see us win. The expectations have changed, for the players and for the fans. It’s about winning." Kerry Wood, 7/14/08
by JB 23 on Sep 6, 2008 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"I knew I should've taken...
a left turn at Albuquerque!"
by sniffy the bee on Sep 6, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK Bugs!
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
by kentmeister on Sep 6, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor John Lieber
gets called back up just in time to get shelled by the Reds AGAIN.
Our 2008 Chicago Cubs -- FINDING WAYS TO WIN!
by drewishdrewid on Sep 6, 2008 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
Missing Milton...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 6, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difficult times, difficult measures: Opposite Day
circa George Castanza from Seinfeld. We all need to go opposite for today. It worked wonders for George, telling women he lived with his parents and was a loser; he got the girls! Anyhow, we all go opposite to get this streak stopped. For me, my traditional Lou Pinella show on the radio for pregame: NO. Not going to listen. Wearing cub shirt: NO. We all need to go opposite day and start NOW!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Sep 6, 2008 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think opposite day is a great idea
Today, I won’t drink a drop of beer. I’ll wash all my dishes (even the pans!), only scratch myself during commercials, politely say hello to my jerkhead neighbor, eat a salad, stay within the crosswalks, nod a little while watching Bill O’Reilly, exercise fervently, and praise God’s name every time Derrek Lee grounds into a double play. Yes, today is opposite day!
by Short4Fanatic on Sep 6, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This worked last time I posted it...
Ghosts of Cub winners, driving past Wrigley to change the mojo. They’ll probably get lost on the way to Cincy but it doesn’t matter. CUBS WIN! 
""At the end of the day, boys, you don't tell me how rough the water is, you bring in the ship." -- Steve Stone
by kentmeister on Sep 6, 2008 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs will snap out of this...
But Al, I’m just curious do you have a Panic!!! picture to go along with your infamous Don’t Panic! picture (the green ball in space)?
Just wonderin’
by bergs55 on Sep 6, 2008 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I rather like this one...

"It's Happening..."
by Goodie1969 on Sep 6, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My next sig line quote will also be from Lou Piniella, and the first word will be either "Look", or "Listen", followed by a comma.
by JohnM on Sep 6, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Theriot, Fonty, and Johnson = The Scrappy Pyramid of Victory
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Sep 6, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Six game losing streak
and I’m amazingly calm. A four game lead on the Brewers and eight on the Phillys does wonders. I can take a few more losses gracefully, but after that……..
by Carolina Cubbie on Sep 6, 2008 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Suggestion For Lou
Get the guys together early in the clubhouse (maybe even cancel BP). Pop a copy of the May 30 game against the Rockies in the DVD player to get their minds off losing and to remind them how good they all are. Might be the change in perspective they need to start rolling again.
"Sometimes I feel like as a Cubs fan if I’m not worrying about something, I’m not doing it right." - HalfBlindCubbieGirl
by CaliCub on Sep 6, 2008 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Before this road trip began I had this feeling that
Soriano and Rami were the keys to the Cubs coming out of this funk. I continue to believe that it is the offense that needs to lead this team back. In spite of the weak performance (in all facets) again last night, I still think that Sori and Rami are going to have a big trip. Their bats will wake this team up. My guess (and it is nothing more than that) is it happens tonight now that we got that pesky Arroyo game out of the way.
BTW, I too lived through 1969 and this feels nothing like 1969 to me. Though I have worried a bit about the overuse of Marmol and Woody (and the two innings each the other day did not help in that regard), I think there are no other parallels to 1969. I do think that Lou has been a bit more judicious in his use of the two in the second half of the year (and Woody’s injury gave his arm a nice rest).
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 6, 2008 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Wood...
… he hasn’t pitched since Tuesday. Hope that enforced rest doesn’t hurt him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 6, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
we have only played two games since then and both were pathetic offensive efforts. My HOPE is that we get 6-7 good innings out of Jason tonight and we see Marmol and Wood in a useful hold/save situation. Unless we have a big lead (fingers & toes crossed) and Lou gives them work anyway.
Time to right the ship!!
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 6, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed - not a '69 situation at all
until a black cat crosses the field during the upcoming Mets series at Shea…
by JFCubFan on Sep 6, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This losing streak is terrible no question
But, wouldn’t it be some sort of poetic justice if Jason Marquis ends this streak?
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .286 24 HR 64 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 6, 2008 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Positive vs. Negative Thoughts
() No one chasing us is on fire like the ’69 Mets
(-) That was also true true in 2004
() This is too good a team to let it all slip away
(-) We were lucky to get 35 over. All our weaknesses are being exposed.
() The Wild Card provides a safety cushion
(-) That will end up making this collapse worse than ’69
() All winning teams go through and come back from losing streaks
(-) But these are, after all, the Chicago Cubs
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Sep 6, 2008 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you don't get to 35 over by being lucky
Missing Milton...
by halfblindcubbiegirl on Sep 6, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
But I’ve neverfelt the Cubs have been a dominating, lights out team, as a 35 over record would suggest. Three reasons:
1. We don’t have a consistent No. 1 starter (e.g. someone in Brandon Webb mold).
2. Our 3-4-5 hitters have had mysteriously long unproductive stretches, sometimes (like now) all at once.
3. Infield play has been ragged, more so than last year.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Sep 6, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
we don’t have a consistent number one starter…..we have two of them.
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
by El Borto on Sep 6, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um Branden Webb has just had two back to back HORRIBLE starts
not sure he is a # 1. Today should be interesting.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 6, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Harden and Z can be healthy at season end
many will argue we have three solid #1s. Tell me where Dempster isn’t putting up #1 type numbers? The only reason you wouldn’t call him a #1 is that this is his first year as a starter in 4+ years.
If it wasn’t for our lack of production for him on the road, he would have as many wins as Webb right now. Look at the team record in starts for Dempster and Webb. I think they are about the same.
THIS IS OUR CENTURY!!
by LAcarl519 on Sep 6, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pressure stopper
Demp, Z (until recently), and Harden have all been rock solid, and overall they should be enough to get the job done. Depth in starting pitching is just as important, maybe more so, than having a star No. 1. However, as the pressure from a losing streak builds, I wish we had one guy we could count on as a big time stopper.
"Earthly fame is naught but a breath of wind, which now comes hence and now comes thence, changing its name because it changes quarter." -- Dante, Purgatorio, Canto XI
by sweetswinger on Sep 6, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you looking for?
Webb’s had back to back bad starts & Josh Beckett is on the DL
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 6, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beckett is back
Pitched a good game the other night
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 6, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess this losing streak
kinda put a damper on the Magic Number countdown we were all hyped up about not too long ago.
by JFCubFan on Sep 6, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There is a second magic number
I guess it’s at 14 right now. I hope we don’t have to resort to that one.
by Carolina Cubbie on Sep 6, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't the losing that is cause for panic
I don’t think, and I could be wrong, that most of us are concerned by the fact they have lost 6 games in a row. More concerning to me is how they are losing. I mean if they play 6 games crisply and the other team gets one more timely hit or play than they do you kind of tip your hat and say ok, we are still playing good baseball and are just coming up a little short.
Far more concerning to me than the W/L is how we are losing. The fact that the offense has imploded, the fielding has become suspect, the running game has ground to a halt and pitching has scuffled all cause reason for alarm.
That said, a couple good offensive games and much can be forgotten.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Sep 6, 2008 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Recore number of K's
by Cueto tonight.
Im done being positive, maybe this negative idea will work.
THE WAVE
to remind us how fans of other teams can win games, despite not caring about whats going on at all. -Rudey
DAMN YOU BASEBALL GODS..
by Rudey on Sep 6, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just heard on Fox...
…that Harden’s start has been pushed back further. Anybody else heard this?
by sniffy the bee on Sep 6, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope, and it's not on Gordon's twitter, either.
Badger football kicked ass, time to go watch the Jayhawks beat the crap outta Louisiana Tech. Good luck to the Cubbies tonight.
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Sep 6, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was worried the whole first quarter
but when they came back from commerical on the radio and played jump around @the end of the 3rd quarter… I got to say that kicked ass :) Now if just the Cubbies can win tonight if would make a fun day complete.
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 6, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect the Fox people never knew the real date...
… so decided to make something up to seem more “gloom & doom”. I swear, the national sports media never stops getting dumb, dumber and dumbest.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 6, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like...
typical Fox. Good to hear their sports coverage is no more reliable than their news coverage.
I’ll be following developments closely as I put together my Hurricane Hanna survival kit.
by sniffy the bee on Sep 6, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eyre Vs Howry
Sorry I just can’t help myself. Here is my version of beating a dead horse.
Since Aug 1 ( or July 31 if you prefer) when Eyre was DFA’d , here are their respective
stats.
Howry 13 appearances 14 IP 20 hits, 10 runs 1W 12K
Eyre 9 appearances 8.2 IP 2 hits 0 runs 2W and 11K
Ok I get it Eyre is a situational lefty and Howry is allegedly a righty set up guy and oh yes
Howry hardly ever walks anyone , he just gives up hits. The both sucked at the end of July but to me the big issue has ALWAYS been how Lou had treated them since his arrival. Eyre was never one of Lou’s boys, as long as he pitched lights out , he was used but if he struggled he was gone. Howry was coddled and despite CLEAR signs that he should NEVER be used in a game situation Lou did it over and over again including the debacle this week. The reason I keep bringing this up is that Lou is far from the brilliant manager he is being held up to be. When you play favorites like this ( and Lou does it a lot) bad things happen. The combination of his “trusting” some players and freezing out others ( some one want to remind me why Pie is still in Iowa when he might be useful NOW!) is a major factor in his mind boggling bad in game decisions and his by the book obsession with righty/lefty match ups is the other.
I have plenty of faith in this TEAM but I remain terrified if Lou does modify his way managing they won’t go far in the post season. The less he does the better as far as I am concerned.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 6, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, you specifically asked for this.

Sorry Jess, couldn’t resist.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 6, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's ok I did "ask for it"
Does not change the facts though.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 6, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree with you.
The problem is, Eyre was never going to succeed here. He needed to get away from Lou to do well. Unfortunate but true.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Sep 6, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we are still in
good position to win the division. But a six game losing streak still sucks and puts me in a bad mood. Soriano is right; they just need to get a win; when they do, I think it will be the start of a nice winning streak.
by qccub on Sep 6, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
At least
the Hawkeyes kicked ass today. Next up, total humiliation of Iowa State.
by qccub on Sep 6, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TONIGHT
THE LOSING ENDS!
PERIOD
LETS GO CUBS!!!!
"I guess you had some lean years, and didnt have to beat it hard" - Craig Sager
"Soriano deep to left!! THAT BALL'S GOOOONE!! A HOME RUN!! OHHH BABY!!" -Len Kasper 8/06/08
SORIANO WATCH: AVG: .286 24 HR 64 RBI
by Galvan316 on Sep 6, 2008 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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