WHEW! - Cubs 14, Reds 9
Sorry, I've run out of Jason Marquis puns! But between Marquis' outstanding performance (seven-plus innings, only one run scoring while he was in the game, two overall) and Alfonso Soriano's second three-homer game of his Cub career (joining Aramis Ramirez, Sammy Sosa, Dave Kingman, Ernie Banks and Hank Sauer as Cubs who have had more than one), the Cubs ended their six-game losing streak with a bang, slamming five homers -- including one by Marquis, his first of the year and fourth of his career and beating the Reds 14-9, scoring as many runs in one game as they had during the entire losing streak, and at last, passing last year's win total.
The football-like score was, as is often the case in the NFL, "not as close as it indicated". Some sloppy relief work by Jeff Samardzija (who hit a batter, allowed three hits and walked one), Michael Wuertz (who didn't retire any of the three batters he faced) and even Carlos Marmol (who let Jolbert Cabrera hit the first pitch he threw for a grand slam, before setting down the Reds in the 9th), made blowout appear close. Len & Bob were worried that Lou might have to get Kerry Wood up in the 9th in a game where the Cubs had led by nine and ten runs.
Actually, getting Wood some work last night might not have been a bad idea, as he hadn't thrown since last Tuesday (neither had Marmol). Regardless of what happens this afternoon, I suspect we'll see Wood in the 9th, as after today, the Cubs don't play again until Tuesday night in St. Louis.
It wasn't just home runs (including Mark DeRosa's 20th), either -- the 18-hit attack included doubles by Geovany Soto and Derrek Lee (who had four hits in all, celebrating his 33rd birthday in style). Soriano drove in five runs, giving him only one less than he had all of last year -- in 42 fewer games. When Alfonso starts hitting like this, he can carry a team for a couple of weeks at a time, as he did last September, or when he came off the DL both times this year, or last year when he hit the three homers in Atlanta (in the 31 games subsequent to that, including the 3-HR game, he hit .306/.340/.567 with 8 doubles and 9 homers). Like Sori or hate him; be frustrated or excited with his play; he drives the Cubs' offense, and if this starts another one of those streaks, good things are going to follow.
Marquis was outstanding last night, though he had brief control problems early; the only run credited to his record that scored while he was in the game was on a bases-loaded walk... that had to be one of the weirdest walks I've ever seen. Plate umpire Brian Runge, on a three-ball pitch to Chris Dickerson, stood there. And stood there, and stood there, until he finally held up four fingers, indicating Dickerson had walked. No one knew quite what to do, and Marquis got justifiably upset. Fortunately, Lou came out and defused the situation, but not before making Runge come out to the mound to meet him. Umpires need to make these calls more obvious, not to mention get them right -- that pitch was a nasty sinker that should have been strike three.
The missed call seemed to energize Marquis -- he shut the Reds down after it, retiring the next 10 hitters in a row until Brandon Phillips walked to start the 8th. After he retired Joey Votto on a fly ball, Lou came to get him, a job well done.
While the Brewers beat the Padres for the second day in a row, San Diego's pitching staff has held Milwaukee's high-octane offense down, allowing only six runs in the three games; give Jake Peavy credit last night, giving them only one run (which scored on a groundout), but SD's offense could do nothing off Ben Sheets -- who threw another CG, his fifth and Milwaukee's league-leading 11th. This may be significant later; no other team has more than five CG's, and Ned Yost may be running his pitchers into the ground just to get to the postseason. CC Sabathia has been great for them -- so far. But if Yost keeps sending him out there for nine innings every start, he'll wind up with over 240 innings for the year, just as he did last year. Check out his postseason numbers in 2007 for what overuse like that can do.
But that's for later. In the meantime, win today, win another series, and onward to St. Louis. The pregame thread will be up at 10:30 am CDT.
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Big win, but I’m unimpressed with our sloppy relief work.
I knew it would take double-figure runs to end this streak.
by thermal54 on Sep 7, 2008 8:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soriano...
Carried us last September and it looks like he’ll do it again. I would sure like to see a performance from him like last night’s in the playoffs though.
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by CubsBullsBears on Sep 7, 2008 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whew! is right
I’m a long time reader, but this is the first time I’ve posted on BCB.
I’m relieved over yesterday’s game for Marquis’ performance and the performance of the offense as a whole, esp. Soriano. I hope last night was just the beginning of a hot streak for him.
As for the bullpen, I think Jeff Spellcheck was wrapped up in ND’s game over SDSU. (Well, maybe not, but it makes for a good excuse!) As for Wuertz, he showed why Lou doesn’t have confidence in him, why he was sent down, and why he will NOT be on the postseason roster.
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by revtrh on Sep 7, 2008 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wuertz succeeded in one thing
He made Marmol look bad.
by daeviant on Sep 7, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome aboard...
I left after Sori’s third HR to go see the Poison/Dokken concert. Imagine my surprise when I saw the final score. Let’s go win the series today!
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Sep 7, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wecome....
But I must warn you BCB is very addictive. :)
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 7, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Lou and his plan for the rest of the season
From the Sun-Times:
’’We’ve got 20 games left. The people that are getting the job done are the ones that are going to be getting the bulk of playing time — I’m talking about pitching-wise and hitting-wise. I’ve been fair. I’ve given everybody opportunities all year. This is the time now where people that are getting the job done are the people that are going to play. Plain and simple.’’
Hmmm…maybe we won’t be seeing Howry or Dome (in the starting lineup) for a while?
by zevkalman on Sep 7, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dome is our best defensive player...
…and if our best replacement for him is Micah Hoffpauir, then we’re probably better off with Dome in the lineup. This is a really frustrating situation.
by cwyers on Sep 7, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To expand on this a bit...
…I looked at Jinaz’ player rankings. (They’re very functionally similar to how I do my player ratings – a different flavor of linear weights is the big difference.)
Dome has been, according to zone rating based measures, the third-best defensive right fielder in all of baseball this year. There is real value to that.
And Dome’s offense is somewhat underrated, both by traditional measures and more advanced measures like OPS+ and VORP, because of his high walk rates. More robust measures, like EqA or linear weights, properly value those walks.
So, unappreciated defense + undervalued offense = underrated player.
by cwyers on Sep 7, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely.
The offense has carried Dome up to now. I can understand Lou wanting to shake up things after a six-game losing streak, but Dome ought to be out there, except vs. LHP.
The danger is that Dome has gotten into Lou’s doghouse, and you know how hard it is to get out of it. Of course, there are 12 million reasons that he’ll likely not stay there long.
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by Al on Sep 7, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
…and he seemed to be hitting the ball better recently, too. RF in Wrigley is very hard to play yet Fukudome looks like he’s been there for 10 years.
I was glad that Lee had some extra base hits and a multi-hit game, but for hitting in the No. 3 spot he has had a woeful 2nd half. I’d like to see Lou’s shakeup include a switching of Lee & Soriano in the order but of curse some things are too sacred to be violated.
by DudeVf11 on Sep 7, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Santo was really emotional last night
It was kind of funny. I could have sworn he said “What is this s****” while muffling the mic.
by daeviant on Sep 7, 2008 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was great to hear him and Pat laughing again
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 7, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When they began talking about the 1970's song
“Precious and Few”, I think they tickled even themselves. It was pretty funny.
And the game was a HUGE relief for us all
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by Zeke on Sep 7, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atta Boy !!
I think what energized Marquis was having Lou back him up with the ump.
by coral on Sep 7, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why Does It Feel Like A Loss ?
They are not playing like a playoff team they better get the ship on course in the next few weeks…… They are being shut down by good pitching and that is what they will see in the playoffs.
by nimblenikelfoos on Sep 7, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
God almighty a bad week
God almighty a team is 30 games over 500 even after a bad week and all the ledge jumpers are acting like Henny Penny.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 7, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henny Penny.... havent heard that in years.
my gramma use to say that. :)
"A catchers biggest concern behind the plate is to make his pitcher pitch a little better than he can" Roy Campanella
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 7, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A win is a win at this point of the season
As I posted yesterday to someone, would you rather be the D-Backs? No one said it would be easy. The goal right now is get in the playoffs, hopefully as the division winner, and go from there.
by rlpete on Sep 7, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I was a bit upset the Cubs gave up 9 runs
but it’s still a win.
by daeviant on Sep 7, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will this shut up the Marquis haters
for the rest of the year? He may not be the most likable player but he’s had a solid year. Duble digit wins and the 103 ERA+.
by rlpete on Sep 7, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Double digit wins too
I am the worst typist in the world.
by rlpete on Sep 7, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It won't shut anyone up completely ...
but I, for one, will be a lot slower to criticize.
by elgato on Sep 7, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it...
…for some reason people expect him to be a No. 1 starter every time out. He’s a decent pitcher and he’s helped this team.
by DudeVf11 on Sep 7, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis
Yes the 7 million is a lot of money but honestly Marquis is an important cog in our machine.
Go Cubs
by cubstoseriesby100 on Sep 7, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cubs
wow.finally a win.we got an a-game from marquis which means he,ll get beat next start.bullpen was horrible.for a 5th place team you can never take the reds lightly.19 runs in 2 games,these guys can hit.im sure dusty wants to do his part in the cubs meltdown.dont have much hope for marshall sunday,he,ll probably get shelled.we need your a-game sean.20 games left,can the cubs still make it to the postseason?>
by NOMAR on Sep 7, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess this answers my question
No, the Marquis haters won’t leave him alone.
FYI, prior to his last start in Houston where he pitched well enough to win but lost (2 runs in 6 innings) he won 3 in a row. His last 3 starts have been very solid. 20+ innings and 4 runs.
by rlpete on Sep 7, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 ...Marquis stepped up when we needed him to the most
..an outstanding peformance by Jason and Soriano.
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by JB 23 on Sep 7, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano was really good
defensively. A sliding catch, a few catches on the run…
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by drewishdrewid on Sep 7, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen. Sometimes surprising performances come
when you least expect them. Last night was a great example.
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by Zeke on Sep 7, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
used of/or lack of punctuation and CAPITAL LETTERS. I don’t love Marquis either, but you’ve got be respect that he gives it his all – the dude has actually been pretty good the last month or so!
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by Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 7, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's old school, baby.
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by derv on Sep 7, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Postseason roster?
There’s been a lot said here at BCB that Marquis will not be on the postseason roster…. I’m going to go out on a limb and say last night’s performance (as well as several others this season) have proven to Lou that Jason WILL be there. I personally have more confidence in Marquis right now than Ted Lilly…. anyone else agree?
by cubbiefanTN on Sep 7, 2008 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It might depend on matchups
with Lilly as a lefty but I still would bet on Lilly.
by rlpete on Sep 7, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gooood guess
Marquis has been relatively stable the past couple of months .. but Ted’s been shakier.
I think if Jason’s remarks prior to the season that some thought got him into Lou’s doghouse, not to mention his infamous game that Lou cleaned his earwax out with, then he’s out of it now. That was the Jason Marquis of renown that the Cubs signed him for. IF he keeps it together and pitching as well as he did last night, Ted might have a race on him.
What Marshall does today will have something to say too. Go get em today Marshy !
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Sep 7, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've pitched roughly the same in RA/ERA-based measures.
Lilly has better strikeout and walk figures, Marquis the better home run rate. The big difference is that Lilly has been pitching deeper into games for us.
[As as aside – albeit a relevant one – ERA underrates fly ball pitchers in comparison to ground ball pitchers. Why? Most errors occur on ground balls. Thus, two pitchers with similar overall value, will look different, because one will have more runs not charged to him due to the decision of the official scorer.
You can still lose a game based on an unearned run, though!]
Now, based on several year’s worth of performance, I think it’s most likely that Lilly is under performing his true talent a bit and Marquis is over performing his a bit. So for that reason I’d take Lilly.
by cwyers on Sep 7, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a sec
If Marquis is overperforming and Lilly is underperforming, isn’t that a reason to take Marquis over Lilly? Or do you expect them to regress/advance to the mean in the postseason?
by ChipSet on Sep 7, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything regresses to the mean.
You can regress upwards and downwards. Now, Lilly and Marquis both can’t regress much because they’re basically at the mean.
This has nothing to do with that – it’s just that, based upon a larger sample of performance (say, the past four years, rather than just one year) we’d expect Lilly to perform better from here on out than Marquis. That’s true even if we weight this year’s performance to be worth more than past years.
by cwyers on Sep 7, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but ...
at some point, a hot-pitching Marquis would be a better choice than a slumping Lilly, right?
I get what you’re saying, cwyers. But how do you account for the hot hand?
by elgato on Sep 7, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't.
There is absolutely no evidence that “the hot hand” will perform better in his next start then what you would otherwise expect based upon his career numbers. And that’s not for the lack of people studying it.
The thing about hot/cold streaks is that nobody has any idea when they start and when they end. All we can do is identify them once they’ve happened. They don’t have any predictive value.
by cwyers on Sep 7, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess if I saw Lilly
… getting crushed for three straight starts and Marquis pitching shutout ball deep into the game for three straight starts (or something along those lines), I might reconsider my rotation for the playoffs.
This isn’t me bashing Lilly or propping up Marquis. If the pitchers were named Maddux and Glavine, I’d make the same judgment.
The Rockies last year, the Cardinals in 2006, etc., have taught us that the team that gets hot in October — not the best overall team — often does the most damage.
by elgato on Sep 7, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis WAS on the postseason roster last year...
… he just didn’t pitch. He might be on it again this year, depending on the matchups he might even pitch, based on his performance down the stretch.
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by Al on Sep 7, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also might depend
on the ballpark. Lilly in a hitters’ park like GABP is Bad Idea Jeans.
by elgato on Sep 7, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia
Al, you’re echoing my thoughts on CC. I remember him against Boston in the ALCS, and it wasn’t pretty. After a great year, he looked gased.
Ned Yost is making Dusty look like a genius when it comes to managing a pitching staff!
Go Sean, we need you today buddy! Also, the offense needs to put 5 or 6 on the board…at least.
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by Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 7, 2008 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I felt a little dirty...
…after last night’s win. The offensive explosion was indeed thrilling (Mr. Soriano, you are a truly a mutant), but the bullpen meltdown was highly, highly disturbing and disappointing. (WTF, Michael Wuertz? WTF?) So, lemme get this straight, the Reds have hit two grand slams in two consecutive games against the Cubs? Man, do I hate that team. (The Reds, I mean.)
But I agree that a win’s a win and you gotta start somewhere. I’m neither a Marquis hater nor unabashed supporter – but if he can keep giving the team some solid starts down the stretch, he deserves to be called a hero. Here’s hoping my man Sean Marshall can help bring this team a series win today.
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by dat cubfan daver on Sep 7, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Lou's reaction
when Wuertz filled the bases with no outs in the Ninth. I read Lou’s lips when he walked out of the dugout " Get me the F%^&&* righthander" I was jacked to 14-5 game and you can’t throw strikes. Maybe Wuertz can’t deal with Lou’s actions, who knows.
And tip your cap to Jason, great work, what a huge lift.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 7, 2008 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm still a bit worried about starting pitching
Just considering that Jason Marquis was the stopper.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Sep 7, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Len & Bob
Top of the 8th, Len says …..
“So the Cubs, Brewers and Cardinals are all going to be winners today…”
Then all hell starts to break lose.
If anyone here happens to know Len, would you please tell him he’s killin me?
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by O'Cub on Sep 7, 2008 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Len should know better.
You don’t spit into the wind.
You don’t pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
and you don’t mess around with Jim (Karma). Related to Jim Klass and Jim Nasiem.
Wait for all 27 outs Len.
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by Zeke on Sep 7, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Al, my browser won't let me directly email you so I have to ask here..
Shouldn’t the standings board show that the Cubs streak is W1 instead of L6?
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Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on Sep 7, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it should.
Send this to bugreport (at) sbnation (dot) com.
We have had problems with the data provider at times. They do have the record and standings listed correctly.
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by Al on Sep 7, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A minor correction.
The ball four to Dickerson in the 4th inning came on a 3-0 pitch. Strike three was not an option.
It did look like Runge blew the call as even Dickerson couldn’t believe it was ball four.
That said, how did Marquis manage to walk CPat earlier in the inning? Talk about the impossible………
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by tville on Sep 7, 2008 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I said the same thing to the TV after that.
14 walks in 307 plate appearances. Walking the unwalkable.
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by Al on Sep 7, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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