Remembering The Past...
... so, to paraphrase George Santayana, perhaps the Cubs will repeat it.
After blazing through the first five months of this year with nothing worse than a four-game losing streak, the Cubs have now lost seven of eight. What we wonder, then, is how recent championship teams have fared. Have they gone through stretches like this? Some of you have posted this in the comments, but I thought I'd consolidate all the information here, to console and bring optimism back.
The answer to the question above is decidedly, yes. Here's how each of the last eight World Series winners did down the stretch:
2007 Red Sox: Had a 7-game lead on September 4. Then, they lost 8 of 12 and saw their lead drop to one game on September 19. Finished the season 6-3 to win the AL East by two games and had an 11-3 record in the postseason.
2006 Cardinals: Had a 7-game lead on September 19. Then, they lost 7 in a row and 8 of 9 to see the lead drop to a half game with three games left. Won two of the three and clinched on the season's last day even though they lost. Had an 11-5 record in the postseason.
2005 White Sox: Had a 9-game lead on September 7. Then, they lost 10 of 14, including two in extra innings; the lead dropped to 1.5 games on September 22 (and would have gone to 0.5 games if Grady Sizemore hadn't lost a ball in the sun vs. the Royals). After that, won 8 of their last 10 regular season games and went 11-1 in the postseason.
2004 Red Sox: Went 7-8 between September 9 and 24, but still won the wild card (by five games) and went 11-3 in the postseason.
2003 Marlins: Not to be discussed in polite company.
2002 Angels: Lost 8 of their last 13 regular season games, but won the wild card by six games and went 11-5 in the postseason.
2001 Diamondbacks: Went 10-11 in September and saw a 4.5 game lead dwindle to 1.5 games; won four of their last six regular season games and went 11-6 in the postseason.
2000 Yankees: Stumbled into the postseason by losing six in a row, winning two, then losing their final seven regular season games (overall, losing 13 out of their last 15!) and seeing a 9 game lead on September 13 shrink to 2.5 at season's end, winning the AL East only because the Red Sox couldn't play better than .500 ball in September; had a mediocre 87-74 record (the worst of any of the 2000 postseason entrants) but went 11-5 in the postseason.
That's seven different championship teams in the last eight years; every single one of them (including the 2003 Marlins, who I glossed over) struggled in September, but righted the ship once October started. This Cubs team is at least as good as any of those champions and better than most. They'll get the pitching rotation back in order this week:
Ryan Dempster, Ted Lilly and Rich Harden will face the Cardinals, while Jason Marquis will open the Cubs' series in Houston on Friday -- with Carlos Zambrano tentatively scheduled for Saturday and Dempster closing it up Sunday.
If Zambrano can't go, Sean Marshall will get another substitute start, but all indications are that Big Z is ready. He threw off flat ground Sunday, and his right shoulder passed all the tests. He will have a bullpen session in St. Louis. Harden, skipped as a precautionary measure, is also ready to go.
In a perfect world, Piniella can stay with five starters for the remaining three weeks of the season.
The perfect world starts tomorrow. In the meantime, come in off the ledge and enjoy the off-day.
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What I don't understand is
The article I read saying the NLDS rotation would be Zambrano, Dempster and Lilly.
I hope that’s only if the Cubs don’t clinch by the last weekend . . . Harden not being in the top 3 is ludicrous.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Sep 8, 2008 8:35 AM CDT 0 recs
Back to the positives
A good summary above, Al. I’m not worried. Frustrated, yes, but not worried. This team has nothing to do with 1969, 1984, 2003, 2004, etc.
Piniella had a bad week, too, not just the players. But he seems to have the right mentality to ignore all the comparisons to past Cubs teams. When the game starts Tuesdsay night, I’m not going to think about the last week or years past. I’m going to think about beating the Cardinals on Tuesday (and hoping the Reds help us out).
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on
Sep 8, 2008 8:40 AM CDT
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Badger...
I read that same article last night. I can’t believe that you would take one of your two best pitchers and slot him #4 after your #4 pitcher. That would make about as much sense as pulling your ace in game 1 of a tied ball game to keep him fresh for game 4. If you are going to wait that long to throw him, why did you even trade for him…
I think even if the Cubs have the WC clinched but not the division before that weekend that you don’t throw Harden that weekend. You want him going no later than #3 in my mind. If that means you have to roll the dice on the division, then so be it.
"Aw, how could he (Jorge Orta) lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico." -- Harry Carey
by TheRiot Police on
Sep 8, 2008 12:57 PM CDT
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I think Lou's thinking on this
is that Harden is unlikely to be able to come back on short rest, but Lilly may be able to be used from the bullpen if needed in game 5 on short rest, given that there are only two lefties in the pen now, and one (Cotts) is pretty much a LOOGY. Not saying I agree with it, but I’m guessing that’s Lou’s thought…
"This team makes your ulcers have a baby." ~Mark Grace
by Goodie1969 on
Sep 8, 2008 1:32 PM CDT
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Lets have a good week
What is disturbing is the errors, walking batters and not hitting with runners in scoring position.
One good thing is the Brewers go to Philly for four.
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by Grockcubs on Sep 8, 2008 8:37 AM CDT 0 recs
Technically, the most disturbing error
was the Cedeno error… which was subsequently changed into a double by the scorer.
by AceCubbie on
Sep 8, 2008 8:12 PM CDT
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Sunday's loss
was pretty humiliating, maybe what they ultimately needed.
Also, I broke bad on the Bears yesterday. I like crow with hot sauce;)
by thermal54 on Sep 8, 2008 8:40 AM CDT 0 recs
Just what we needed is
a spark to ignite this team and it is named the St. Louis Cardinals. Hopefully Lou and our boys in blue remember this is the rivalry of the century and play accordingly. If the Cubs can’t get up for the evil Cardinals, who can we get up for? No time like the present to get back to winning.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Sep 8, 2008 8:51 AM CDT 0 recs
According to Tim Kurkjian on Friday,...
Only 3 teams have lost 6 games in a row during the regular season and gone on to win the WS. Al mentioned 2 of them, the 2006 Cardinals and the 2000 Yankees. I forgot who the 3rd team was.
Take it for whatever it’s worth.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 8, 2008 8:56 AM CDT 0 recs
So you're saying there's a chance...
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 8, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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I believe the stat Tim Kurkjian was referring to,
was lost 6 in a row in September.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Sep 8, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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And the Cubs haven't lost 6 in a row in September
They lost 4 in a row in September.
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by wnielsen on
Sep 8, 2008 12:03 PM CDT
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Good summary
of the late season woes of those WS winning teams. If this year’s Cubs were the Yankees, the Yankees’ fans wouldn’t feel like the ship is sinking, simply a bump in the road on the path of winning yet another Series. We as Cubs fans have only seen and felt frustration and heartbreak in our lifetimes because of the 100 year drought. In our hearts, we know this team is better than any of the past contenders, and if we play to our potential in the playoffs, WS bound. We are used to seeing failure and lost chances late in seasons and in post seasons. This year has to be the breakthrough year, or it will only intensify the feelings we have for most of us.
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by BigJohnAZ on Sep 8, 2008 8:57 AM CDT 0 recs
BTW, the Cubs aren't the only contending team struggling.
The Rays and thre Diamondbacks are in a losing stretch right now.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 8, 2008 8:57 AM CDT 0 recs
I was just going to post that same comment
September is crunch time for a bunch of teams fighting for Wild Cards and outright division wins. Maybe the ‘69 Mets cruised to the playoffs, but most teams don’t.
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by BigJohnAZ on
Sep 8, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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The White Sox
and Twins are not playing all that well either
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Sep 8, 2008 9:18 AM CDT
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Can't take solace in the struggles of others
If we are reduced to saying “yeah, but other playoff bound teams are struggling too…”??? Then we are in trouble. We need to be looking at things realistically and from position of strength. When the rationalization process starts then you deal from weakness. And that rarely works in competitive sports.
This isn't 1969...is this 1969?...this isn't 1969, is it?
by MDBNIU on
Sep 8, 2008 9:19 AM CDT
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well it doesn't matter what "we" say
it only matters how the players go out and play
not sure if solace is the right word, but i think we’re just pointing out (as you do further down on the board), that all teams (currently a lot of playoff bound teams) go through slumps…..we’ll be fine
by cubswynn on
Sep 8, 2008 9:31 AM CDT
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Actually,
if you lose and the team right behind you loses, you’re just taking days off the calendar.
The calendar is our biggest ally right now.
Have faith, the Cubs WILL go to the postseason and ANYTHING can happen in the playoffs!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Sep 8, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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MVP! MVP! MVP!

"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 8, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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And the Dodgers lost 8 in a row,
before they started their current winning streak.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on
Sep 8, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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As I remember,
the Cubs got on track in a long series with the birds in ’03.
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by O'Cub on Sep 8, 2008 9:01 AM CDT 0 recs
This is a bad slump, but slumps DO happen
What is disconcerting to me is how lethargic and burnt out this team appears. Lou Piniella utilizes his 25 man roster about as good as anybody, so I’m not sure why so many butts are dragging on this team.
What conerns me the most about the postseason is our pitching. If Harden is not in a position to serve as ace and Zambrano is much less than 100% then it will be first round exit guaranteed. I also think our bullpen is in a fragile state right now. Kerry Wood in a pressure packed tight ballgame that defines playoff baseball? Chad Gaudin with a bad back that doesn’t appear to be getting any better? The possibility of going with two raw young pitchers in Jeff Spellcheck and Angel Guzman on the post-season roster? Neal Cotts reverting back to his crappy and inconsistent ways?
This isn't 1969...is this 1969?...this isn't 1969, is it?
by MDBNIU on Sep 8, 2008 9:15 AM CDT 0 recs
It just could be fatigue, simple as that
Over the course of 162 games, guys will get tired, even as well as Lou has managed the bench. Could be that the grind of the season caught up to this team over one week. I think it’s something they will work out of, beginning in St. Louis.
I’ll wait to see how Harden pitches this week before worrying too much about the pitching.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 8, 2008 9:23 AM CDT
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Harden
As Rich Harden goes then so go the Cubs hopes in the post-season.
I’ve said this for a while now and have been ridiculed for the thought. But I absolutely believe in the statement. If Harden is healthy and pitches in his typical dominant fashion then our chances for World Series glory are significantly enhanced. Harden is the most important member of the 25 man roster come October baseball.
This isn't 1969...is this 1969?...this isn't 1969, is it?
by MDBNIU on
Sep 8, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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Agree 100%
n/t
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Sep 8, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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Based on the article I linked to...
… Harden appears to be fine and ready to go Thursday vs. the Cardinals.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 8, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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I don't know if he's the most important
but I agree, with him pitching well, the Cubs are in much better position to win in October. I’m not sure how I feel about trusting Ted Lilly right now (probably depends on the park), but I think Zambrano (if healthy as well) and Dempster is still good enough to win a postseason round or two.
With Harden healthy (and the other Big Two pitching well), the Cubs are still the NL favorite and maybe the MLB favorite in October.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on
Sep 8, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Harden is only the most important if you expect him to go on a Beckett like run
Otherwise he is no different than Zambrano. Both need to be healthy and on their game for the entire postseason for us to have a chance.
IF Harden was able to go deeper into games and pitch on 3 days rest, he would be the most important player. Since I don’t think he could do that, him and Z become equally important.
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by nji232 on
Sep 8, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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I disagree...
…that Harden is the MOST important member of the 25-man roster in the playoffs. I don’t think the rest of the rotation looks to him for leadership the way they do Carlos Zambrano. And I think Soriano plays a huge role in sparking the offense – Aramis, too. Is Harden a key piece of this team? Certainly. But a statement like this serves your ego more than it does the truth.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 8, 2008 11:02 AM CDT
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I don't buy the tired part
I mean I can see some fatigue, but come on. These guys have the best everything, travel, cash, best medical attention, attendants tending to alot of there needs and as mentioned Lou has given rest to all of them.
No excuse at this point, all the teams have had long seasons, Cubs need to start playing smart, energy filled baseball again.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on
Sep 8, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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The team might not be a better team
I don’t buy the tired part either. In fact, I question that this is a better team than last year’s 85-win team that came up empty in postseaon.
What’s better about this team? By name: Soto and Dempster in a starting role. Include Marmol here, perhaps Reed Johnson and an overall better defensive outfield.
What’s not better about this team? Well, two of the best starters (Zambrano and Harden) are injured and therefore make you wonder what they can do going forward. The starting pitching should be better than what the team went to postseason with last year, but will it be? Fukudome has been a flop at the plate. Edmonds has been struggling the last few weeks. Howry has had a bad season, Lieber has gone home and Gaudin is injured. I don’t remember the bullpen being in that bad of shape last year. And then Wood, who I keep thinking is a better closer than Dempster was, blew his 6th save yesterday and really hasn’t done as well as a better closer should. Lee, Ramirez and Soriano aren’t having great seasons either; especially Lee.
We are truly grabbing at straws and will be relying on some luck here if we think this team is going to win a WS championship.
by AboutTheCubs on
Sep 8, 2008 6:53 PM CDT
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Yeah...wait'll next year.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Sep 8, 2008 6:55 PM CDT
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Ha......and in response to his last sentence....
with the exception of Brenlys DBacks….arent they all?
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Sep 8, 2008 6:55 PM CDT
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soriano?
not having a good season? really, it’s his fault that some bush league pitcher broke his hand? put his #s across games played and it’s comparable to any of his better seasons… it may not be 40/40/40 but still pretty good…..
by cubbiefanTN on
Sep 8, 2008 8:05 PM CDT
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I'm guessing you could take...
…any World Series winning team in history and pick it apart for flaws like this. Sure, some would have more flaws then others, but no team is perfect.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 8, 2008 8:43 PM CDT
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I'm not worried about Kerry Wood...
…and I don’t see why you would label him a question mark. I would assume Gaudin’s back will be improved by the end of the month, unless he needs surgery or something. Granted, Cotts has been inconsistent, but I’m not sure how you can say he’s “reverting” when he’s been inconsistent all season.
And I always find it the epitome of lazy analysis when someone labels a team “lethargic” and “burnt out” just because it’s losing a lot. Did they look “lethargic” and “burnt out” on Sunday when they scored 14 runs? I actually thought they looked pretty resilient in yesterday’s game – they just had a closer who was cold and a defensive lapse.
"I see the playoff schedule posted in the paper, and that stuff makes me nervous because you can't take anything for granted. We have a great team. We have a really good team. We're playing well, but we haven't won yet." - Jim Edmonds, 8/31/08
by dat cubfan daver on
Sep 8, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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I agree,
Yesterday’s game really stung, but it didn’t have the same feeling of “here we go again” dread to me.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel
by Blue W on
Sep 8, 2008 11:08 AM CDT
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Me neither
I just kept thinking how the result would have probably been different if Wood had seen some action in the five or six days since his previous appearance.
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Sep 8, 2008 12:42 PM CDT
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Al, you are such an upbeat dude...
The optimism is appreciated!
I think this team will be fine, though we can’t expect near perfect performances by Chris Young everyday to sustain this.
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by IowaCubs- on Sep 8, 2008 9:15 AM CDT 0 recs
Struggles?
What struggles? Last week is so…last week. Let’s move on.
Thanks though Al, for being a constant voice of reason and sense.
by Damen Jackson on Sep 8, 2008 9:26 AM CDT 0 recs
More call ups ???
just got back on the lap top, and word on more call ups with Iowa being done ???
I've been bleeding double blue Cubbies & NY Rangers
by parrotinct on Sep 8, 2008 9:27 AM CDT 0 recs
I'm not on the ledge,
just annoyed by this stumble. Watching the Cedeno play makes me sick, till tomorrow.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on Sep 8, 2008 9:30 AM CDT 0 recs
Bluto called...
"Nothing is over until we decide it is!
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Hell No!
And it aint over now…
‘Cause when the goin gets tough….
the tough get goin!
Who’s with me?
Let’s Go!
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by O'Cub on Sep 8, 2008 9:34 AM CDT 0 recs
Blues Brothers
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Sep 8, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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Animal House
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on
Sep 8, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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I caught myself quickly enough
can the -1 be retracted?
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Sep 8, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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-2 for asking for a retraction
that’s like trying to give yourself a nickname
by cubswynn on
Sep 8, 2008 9:39 AM CDT
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Just trying to save a little
face, still can’t believe I typed Blues Brothers first
Just call me Otter ;)
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Sep 8, 2008 9:40 AM CDT
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wrong Belushi movie, damn!!
It’s actually Animal House
When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches. ~ Ron Santo
by gwood on
Sep 8, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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"7 years of college down the drain"
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on
Sep 8, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Jim's Taking Care of Business
I’d like for the Cubs to take care of business and start winning games again. I would love for the Cubs to beat the Angels in the World Series like they did in the movie, “Taking Care of Business”. I don’t think Jim will have to break out of prison to see game 6 in Anaheim.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
Sep 8, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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No, but Kerry and Ronny could have used this one yesterday...
It wasn’t my fault. Honest!
I ran out of gas.
I had a flat tire.
I didn’t have enough money for cab fare.
My tux didn’t come back from the cleaners.
An old friend came in from out of town.
Someone stole my car!
There was an earthquake!
A terrible flood!
Locusts!
IT WASN’T MY FAULT! I SWEAR TO GOD!!!!"
by hokie316 on
Sep 8, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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Oh, Jake.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been . . . baseball. It rules over America like an army of steamrollers." Terrance Mann
Tommie Agee was out.
by Weeghman Park on
Sep 8, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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In 2007
In 2007, the Cubs only went 2-5 from Sept. 3-9. The Cubs got swept by that team below Georgia in 3-game series Sept. 25-27. The Cubs still won the division.
I’m looking for 10-9 record overall down the stretch win a 3-3 record against Milwaukee to clinch the division.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Sep 8, 2008 9:43 AM CDT 0 recs
St. Louis series should be interesting
The Cardinals were overachievers all season long but are now clearly out of it. But they don’t like the Cubs and will be jacked to piss on our parade these three games. I also wouldn’t be surprised if we see tempers flare.
This isn't 1969...is this 1969?...this isn't 1969, is it?
by MDBNIU on Sep 8, 2008 9:44 AM CDT 0 recs
That's OK with me,
it would mean we’re into the game and not sleep walking again.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on
Sep 8, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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clearly out of it?
5 games back in the wild card race is hardly clearly out of it, however they do have some work to do
by cubswynn on
Sep 8, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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Knock Cards Out of Contention Again?
The Cards still have a chance at the wild card. Losing this series to the Cubs this week would hurt their chances considerably depending on how the Brewers, Phillies, and Mets play.
Last year, the Cards were five back going into a September series at Busch against the Cubs. The Cubs won three of four to knock the Cards seven games back. After that, it was over for St. Louis.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on
Sep 8, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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They're out of it...
Milwaukee may limp to the wildcard, but I don’t see anybody in a position to overtake them. Certainly not the Cardinals with 19 games to go. LaRussa did a phenomenal job with a rag tag bunch in 2008. But the gig is up.
I have my fingers crossed that we can play .500 against the Cardinals and Astros in the next few days. Hurricane Ike could throw another monkey wrench into the works for the Cubs if the games against Houston need to be postponed. Which is looking like a definite possibility.
This isn't 1969...is this 1969?...this isn't 1969, is it?
by MDBNIU on
Sep 8, 2008 9:59 AM CDT
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Phillies are only 4 games behind the Brewers...
… and have a four game series with them in Philly this weekend.
About the series in Houston: I doubt they’d postpone it, because that would create a scheduling nightmare at season’s end. More likely: moving the series somewhere else, maybe to St. Louis, because the Cubs are already there.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Sep 8, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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I know you were just speculating
But moving that Astros series to STL would be awesome for me. Tickets would prolly be really really cheap and I am just a two hour drive away.
Now that I am excited about it, it won’t happen.
Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #6 1-0 (0-0). Next up Saturday home vs. SEMO. We might drop 100 points on them.
by nji232 on
Sep 8, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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Wow, I would totally make that trip.
Who’s with me?
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