What other moves do you see the Cubs making this offseason?
The Cubs haven't had as active of an off season as they have the past few years which in my mind is a good thing. Less moves means less errors that need fixing. While not everyone is happy about everything (I'll be the first to yell and scream about Kerry Wood), the hole is "fixed", at least in the eyes of Jim Hendry. So what does that leave for the Cubs to do this off season? We have a pretty solid lineup, a few candidates in the system for the fifth starter, and the 'pen is pretty set after the acquisition of Vizcaino. I imagine whoever doesn't make the rotation out of Gaudin, Marshall, and Shark will make up the rest of the spots, and maybe someone like Kevin Hart makes it.
So I ask you, what else should the Cubs REALISTICALLY do? Seems nuts to try and trade for someone like Hermida at this point. Is the upgrade over Johnson/Pie/Fukudome worth a chunk of our farm system? And then what do you do with Johnson/Pie/Fukudome?
We all know about Peavy and Roberts. I ask that you leave those two off of this discussion.
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Moves
1. Sign Paul Bako (or reasonable facsimile)
2. Sign Rich Aurilia (or reasonable facsimile)
3. Find new home for Felix Pie, Michael Wuertz
by BLou on Jan 13, 2009 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Um what is the point of Aurilla ?
We don’t have enough middle infielders ? If you want a veteran back up for 1st we could have Doug Mientkiewicz and if he wants to
try to keep the winning World Series ball fine with me.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jan 13, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Kevin Millar is also an option, and seems to be a favorite of many on this site
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Jan 13, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Millar, but...
… with Bradley on board, he seems superfluous.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 14, 2009 4:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was one of the guys you wanted early on, correct?
IIRC the reasoning was his versatility and the “idiot” factor.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 14, 2009 6:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both of those, yes, but...
… I also envisioned him possibly platooning in RF — we don’t need such a player any more.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 14, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
possibly platooning in RF? I don't recall that being part of your reasoning back then
he hasn’t played in RF since 2005, and even then that was only 14 games (20 in LF). Was there something else that made you think he could still play in the outfield?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jan 14, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he could be a backup/platoon RF, yes.
Aubrey Huff was my choice for RF, if you go back and look.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 15, 2009 4:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Read my mind...
with Mientkiewicz, he can also play 3rd, albeit not too well.
by jbertram on Jan 13, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can Aurillia play all IF positions to some degree?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yabbut...
He’s a decent fielder, but his bat probably won’t be better than Hoff and Mientkiewicz would cost more. He only made $750k last year, so not much more. His career 162 game average is .271 with 10 HR and 61 RBI. Is that good enough to be a pinch hitter?
by N Oakley on Jan 13, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this sounds
like a good idea
bring up felix.
by kylejo on Jan 13, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if Pie and Cedeno aren't going do be a factor
they should be moved for something of any value. Both of them, especially Pie still have some if not alot of upside, and should bring similar type of potintial. The deal to Baltimore for that left handed prospect, Olson I think, that was mentioned with all of the Peavy stuff would be nice. Baltimore has wanted Pie, and they need a shortstop.
Before Bradley was signed I would have liked to have seen a deal for Luke Scott, but that is not needed now
by wfree0104 on Jan 13, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually,...
they inked a deal with Izturis a few weeks ago.
But to answer the poster’s questions, I’d expect Wuertz, Pie, and Cedeno to be moved. A fifth starter — I suspect Randy Wolf or Oliver Perez — to be signed. And the obligatory backup catcher signing.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 13, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think so
were not spending 10+mm on a 5th starter. We will go internally, and have some ST invites.
-clarknaddison
by clarknaddison on Jan 13, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen...
anyone making that offer to either?
by Damen Jackson on Jan 13, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Mets made an offer to Perez for 3/30mm
-clarknaddison
by clarknaddison on Jan 13, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Wolf...
is seeking 3 yr/30 mill. Not that he’d get that, but he’ll probably land 7-10 million a year.
I think the most likely scenario is giving the spot to Marshall/Gaudin/Samard/etc. and possibly revisit the Peavy talks towards the deadline or other deadline alternatives.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 13, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to put too fine a point on it...
but there are a lot of guys out there right now, looking for all sorts of offers. That doesn’t mean too much — although I appreciate you both passing on those reports.
The reality is that a lot of these guys are going to get caught without chairs when the music stops, and are going to face some harsh economic realities. I mean, has anyone even heard from Orlando Hudson’s people this winter? Or really think that Abreu is getting that 4/60 that he was looking for?
I expect the Cubs to be lurking through Spring Training for an arm that they can add in the 5-7 million dollar range. And given this market, I’d expect that there will be one or two good choices available.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 13, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Many pitchers though?
One problem that I see is the Mets are most likely going to overspend on either Perez or Wolf.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 13, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore...
the Nats apparently have some money to throw around, and they might take the other. The 3/30 figure was drawn from an article linking Wolf to the Nats. On Wolf’s part, of course, but he has been drawing interest from Washington.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 13, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As I recall,
the Mets max number for Lowe was 3/36, so I’m not certain how willing they are to overspend for Perez, although I see your concern.
I think a lot of teams are interested in these guys, just not at these prices. I’m just not certain that all this interest translates in offers that the players would like to see. I wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out some GMs were hoarding a little cash, to potentially pick of the carcasses.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 13, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We just had a $10M...
5th starter…and we got rid of him. I’d rather have kept Marquis for 1 yr than give Wolf 3yrs.
by jbertram on Jan 13, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I missing something
Sean Marshall is still with us, right?
Isn’t he “penciled-in” as our fifth starter, for now
Why spend 5-10 MM on a fifth starter, if it’s not well you know who
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Jan 13, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marshall could be #5
but he may be of more value being able to fill in for Harden should Rich have his injury issues.
As much as I’d like to see him be in the rotation, IMHO he has more value as a spot starter and long relief from the left side.
The pitching staff is missing a good ’pen southpaw right now.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 14, 2009 6:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure that deal for Olson
Was only in place so he could be traded to San Diego for Peavy. The Cubs never had intention of keeping him
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Jan 13, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
None until spring training.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 13, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and then what?
There are simply too many players on the roster to not do something before the season starts. Or is that when you’re hoping they’ll be able to pull off the Peavy deal?
by Wreckard on Jan 13, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
in ST
we can have the non roster invitees and minor league guys battle it out.
-clarknaddison
by clarknaddison on Jan 13, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fight it out for what?
I don’t think you understand: there are already too many people for the 25-man roster.
by Wreckard on Jan 13, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are?
Who’s the backup catcher?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 14, 2009 4:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say we were done
I’m saying there are more than 25 people on the roster today, disputing your idea that we’ll just go into Spring Training as is. We have to make a move, because there are too many players.
What will we do if we go through spring training without making a trade? We’ll have to DFA someone.
Theriot
Fontenot
Ramirez
Bradley
Soriano
Lee
Soto
Fukudome
Cedeno
Miles
Hoffpauir
Gathright
Johnson
Pie
Zambrano
Dempster
Lilly
Harden
Gaudin
Marmol
Gregg
Cotts
Vizcaino
Marshall
Wuertz
That’s 26 players. Someone has to go.
by Wreckard on Jan 14, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How can there be "more than 25 players on the roster"...
… when no 25-man roster exists till Opening Day?
Of course, some players will be sent to the minors, cut, etc. before Opening Day.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 14, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're arguing semantics.
On that list, only Hoffpauir can be sent to the minors. Who would you expect would get cut?
I think you’ve forgotten what the question posed here was. The diary asked, what moves will be made yet this off-season? You replied “nothing until spring training” which doesn’t answer the question in any way whatsoever. Then someone replied that we’ll just let the NRI’s and minor leaguers fight it out for the remaining spots.
My point, and honestly I’m not sure what you’re arguing with here, is that there aren’t any spots for them to fight for, that we’re at 25 now without a catcher, and that someone will have to go, probably sooner than later.
by Wreckard on Jan 14, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I expect Cedeno or Pie will be moved
for something during ST if not packaged with a pitcher, like Gregg, for something more useful.
by N Oakley on Jan 14, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gregg???
I agree Pie and possibly Cedeno might be moved (though moving Cedeno seems less likely than it once was – in terms of the depth chart, without Derosa we may need to keep him around)…. but Gregg? Why on earth would the Cubs trade away their number 2 bullpen guy, a guy they just overpaid for a month and a half ago?
Wuertz seems infinitely likely to be the odd man out in the pen.
by Wreckard on Jan 14, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Add Guzman to the list
MLBTR just mentioned he was out of options. I forgot about that.
That’s 27 players we have right now, only one of whom can be sent to the minors (but who is almost a lock for the roster).
by Wreckard on Jan 14, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
25-man is not set by any means
Especially in the ’pen. And I still hold out hope Hank White comes back.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 14, 2009 6:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
moves
1. Bako or someone similar
2. Obtain a veteran PH/backup 1B preferably Sean Casey over Aurilia as my preference is for a LH bat there.
3. a 5th starter……if not the guy tthat isn’t supposed to be mentioned……maybe just maybe Sheets on a 1 yr deal or 2 yr deal with protection in it.
by plenz on Jan 13, 2009 2:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
people!
Hoff will backup 1B
We are NOT going to spend Sheets money on a 5th starter….we are not the yankees.
-clarknaddison
by clarknaddison on Jan 13, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
And anyway, don’t we need a backup 3B?…or can Miles do that?
by jbertram on Jan 13, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
miles or cedeno
can backup 3B.
-clarknaddison
by clarknaddison on Jan 13, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew ONEDEC
could do it, I was operating under the assumption that we won’t have him by April.
by jbertram on Jan 17, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're right on Sheets
but I wouldn’t be surprised if Hendry found somebody who could play first and third rather than keep Hoffpauir.
by elgato on Jan 13, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Top 5 Moves
1. Find a #5 starter that is dependable and better than Marshall/Guadin
2. Find a LH backup catcher (Bako makes sense)
3. Trade Pie, Cedano, Wuertz & Guzman or Hart (get something while you can)
4. Make Hopf the backup 1st & pinch-hitter or sign a vet and trade Hopf
5. Get Fukodome a better translator who he can befriend (don’t waste money on a Japanese pitcher just so Fuke can have a buddy)
by Crazy Uncle Lou on Jan 13, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
- - Nope. I think the Cubs go with Marshall if they dont get Peavy.
- - Probably Bako, but with Blanco still out there who knows?
- - Guzman wont be dealt because he has no value, Cedeno will probably go, Pie might stay as the 5th outfielder/speedster, Wuertz and Hart are both ??
- - Hoffpauir has little trade value as an outfielder and I doubt anyone would want him as a starter at 1st, so he stays.
- - Fukudome just needed some time to adjust, much as rookies do, and I think that this year he’ll be a surprise.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Jan 13, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I might add...
I don’t think that the Cubs are buying the Marshall-as-a-starter argument. They’ve had plenty of chances to do so before this, and even Hendry’s own comments suggest that he’s not the first choice.
With Gathright on board, unless we’re carrying six outfielders, Pie is gone.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 13, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot about Gathright...
…but I really think the Cubs get Peavy. Makes too much sense for both sides.
I agree that in the long run Marshall is a long-man to make up for Harden’s short comings. Until then Marshall will be positioned as the 5th starter to take away some of Peavy’s leverage.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Jan 13, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Gathright is probably backup backup insurance. I’d be surprised if he made the opening day roster and Pie was still on the team
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Jan 13, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question.
When have all these plentiful chances for Marshall to start occurred? Seems to me he’s been stuck behind Marquis for the last couple of seasons. And he did start regularly in ’06.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 13, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your right
and he was stuck behind Rich (the mental midget) Hill before that.
-clarknaddison
by clarknaddison on Jan 13, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I suppose you could start with...
Rich Hill getting the last spot over him coming out of Spring Training. Sean Marshall getting the call once that went bust. Hell, didn’t Piniella even let Jon Lieber spot start over Sean? And then rather than Jim Hendry making a firm committment to Marshall in that spot after the Marquis trade — or at least settling on letting the house options battle it out — he says that they’ll continue to look for options.
Of course, that’s in addition to signing Marquis to fill that spot in the first place.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 13, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's break that down
1. Sean Marshall should serve as a decent #5, has potential
why pay 5-10 MM more on a 5th starter, use this spot to develop from with in
unless we can get, well you know who
2. LET’S back off on the idea of bring back Bako, NO STICK!
what about, just throwing this out there, if Jason Varitek was available as a back up catcher,
at a great price, would you be interested in adding his leadership to this team
3. Not sure if we will trade both Pie & Cedeno (not Cedano) I think that his cousin :)
I think one goes, but not both, unless we can get; well you know who….
4. Hoff will be the back up 1B!
5. Not sure about a better translator, but a better swing might help
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Jan 13, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually posted the Varitek thought...
but didn’t know he was a type A free agent and would cost a draft pick, and his agent is Scott Boras
by wfree0104 on Jan 13, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not much
I could see Wuertz/Pie/Guzman being traded and us signing a catcher, but that about it. By the way, expect even less movement next year. We will be capped out in 2010 unless the new owner raises payroll.
-clarknaddison
by clarknaddison on Jan 13, 2009 2:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sign Sheets....
for 1 yr and an option. Ditto for Hank White. Bako is the Blanco fall-back. Then look to trade for Roberts if the O’s extension falls through (he doesn’t want to negotiate into ST games according to the Sun).
Therefore w/o Roberts, the 25-man is: Zambrano, Dempster, Harden, Lilly, Sheets, Marshall, Marmol, Gregg, Samardzija & 3 of (Cotts, Gaudin, Stevens, Wuertz, Vizcaino) and Soriano, Fukudome, Johnson, Gathwright, Bradley, Ramirez, Theriot, Fontenot, Hoffpauir, Lee, Soto, Blanco & Miles.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 13, 2009 2:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Blanco...
will be signed for under 2-3 million, and that’s just too much for a backup catcher (assuming he plays at all).
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 13, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they would love to have Blanco back
but at the right price. i agree that 2-3 million is too much but I think they’re probably waiting to see if his price comes down (I have a feeng it will) before committing to Bako.
by bluekoolaide on Jan 13, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he made 2.5 last year...
so I’m not quite sure what kind of discount he’d accept, as he did have a rather good year.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 13, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
but it all comes down to what other offers he receives-I can’t imagine there are too many teams beating down his door at 2.5 million (or more).
by bluekoolaide on Jan 13, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we declined
the 3mm opt on Blanco.
-clarknaddison
by clarknaddison on Jan 13, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and we just traded
derosa to clear room to sign bradley….where do we come up with the 12mm or so to sign sheets?
-clarknaddison
by clarknaddison on Jan 13, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The same money many of us believe
is actually there for Peavy, plus Sheets doesn’t cost return players and he’s not a $60M-$85M long term financial commitment like Peavy.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 14, 2009 6:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 13, 2009 2:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Realistically, leaving out any Peavy or Roberts discussion
I think the Cubs will look to shop Pie and Cedeno. It could be a part of a Peavy deal, but if that doesn’t happen, then I think they’ll move them anyways. I just don’t see them keeping either one of them.
I think they’ll ponder signing a backup catcher … but it won’t be a top priority so if they miss, Hill/Johnson as the backup options may be okay.
My gut feeling is that they’ll pursue another pen arm of some sort, with the hope of stashing Shark in AAA. Whether or not they’ll find that pen arm at the right price, I don’t know. It very well could be a part of a Pie/Cedeno move.
In short, I’m not expecting anything big happening down the stretch. I think the positional depth is set, and I think we’re looking at maybe 1-2 more pitches and a backup catcher at best, with the remaining money saved up for midseason.
by toonsterwu on Jan 13, 2009 2:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
An interesting discussion to be had...
…is whether or not Pie, Cedeno, and Wuertz (or the others that the Cubs feel that they need to deal) would bring more if traded individually for prospects/position fillers or if the Cubs could throw all of them in a package for Peavy/Roberts…
Personally, I think that if the Cubs are going to unload 2-3 pieces because they are out of options they should package them together to get the best possible return rather than several mid-level returns.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Jan 13, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
either the Cubs make their move on Peavy which moves at least three spare parts
moving Pie, Cedeno (or Theriot) and possibly Gaudin or Stevens where then Hart and Vitters go as prospects leaving three middle infielders, where then the Cubs offer a minor league contract to a former major league middle infielder (insurance). This moves about $1.5 in salary where the cubs can fill in the 40-man roster with minor league minimums like Nate Spears, Colvin, and a few pitchers.
As far as catcher I think the Cubs will go with Koyie Hill until something materializes at or after ST where they can get a MLB player for the minimum.
The only other player is a LOOGY, I can scream that someone like Guardado is available for possibly $2.5M which would add greatly to the pen.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jan 13, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyday Eddie isn't a bad idea.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Jan 13, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The answer would really be whether or not there is a team out there that values all three enough to want them in one package. I don’t know the answer to that one. I think Pie and Cedeno would only be secondary pieces for a Peavy deal, and not major pieces (if it happened that is). Maybe Baltimore, where they could phase Cedeno in (and as previously noted, the rumors suggested that they wanted Cedeno in addition to Pie to flip Olson).
by toonsterwu on Jan 13, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure they'll NEED to save money for a midseason acquisition...
By that point, surely the new ownership would be in place and surely they’d be willing to stretch the payroll in order to add a difference maker….or so I hope? It sounds like whoever the new owner is (Ricketts?), they’re all true Cub fans and want to WIN. I’m not saying they’ll turn into the Yankees but I’d like to think that money won’t be as big of an obstacle as it appears to be at this moment.
"If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying." - Ichiro
by The Guy Who Accidentally Saved the World on Jan 13, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly, that's the hope
And maybe Hendry has been given that indication. I obviously don’t know, and I think the safer route is to stash some cash behind.
by toonsterwu on Jan 13, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Add a starter
Deal Pie, Cedeno and Stevens…
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Jan 13, 2009 3:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Help me out
What’s that guy’s name that plays second base for the Baltimore team .. best leadoff hitter in baseball .. great glove , great arm , can turn double play , basestealer , run producer , switchitter , allstar .. overall solid player ..
by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 13, 2009 3:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Billy Ripken
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have right initals
B . R .. did I mention he won’t sign a contract extension .. with that said team . also wants to play for a contender
by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 13, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you didnt mention the man-crush on behalf of his current employer
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bren you are right
I heard that too … but show him the money or trade him to the Cubs .. would be a good lineup ..
by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 13, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true
You have to wonder if Lou/Hendry is more comfortable with a Fontenot/Miles than Marshall starting b/c we dont have the chips to get Peavy and Roberts….so which is the more glaring need?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 13, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Second Base
Would think an everyday player at second would be more important than a guy who pitches every five or six days
by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 13, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roberts over Peavy no question
If for no other reason than the fact that picking up one of the game’s best lead-off men automatically forces Soriano down in the order.
by bluekoolaide on Jan 13, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agree with bluekoolaide
agree 100%
by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 13, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a switch-hitting...
LEADOFF guy who is a STOLEN BASE threat that makes him attractive.
Speed at the top of the lineup is HUGE and since he’s a LEADOFF guy it totally changes the dynamic of the lineup.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 14, 2009 6:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Phil Rizuto?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 13, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best leadoff hitter in baseball...On Baltimore....
Obviously Brady Anderson.
Brian McRae's 5 o'clock shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jan 13, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys he's obviously talking about ...
Freddie Bynum! Gosh.
Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008
by Unique on Jan 13, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
!!!
A few years ago I would have said Corey Patterson. Too bad the Reds stole him away
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Jan 13, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
corey patterson?
-clarknaddison
by clarknaddison on Jan 13, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Hamilton
sure would like to see Josh Hamilton in a Cubs uniform
by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 13, 2009 5:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would like to lose weight
by eating nothing but chocolate flavored deserts.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jan 13, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you find the secret,
would you mind sharing it with me?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jan 13, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to lose weight
drinking lot’s of beer, but thus far it just hasn’t happened.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 14, 2009 6:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Manny
I know manny is toooo expensive at about 23 – 25 million … per .. what a lineup in wrigley field .. would be exciting though ..
by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 13, 2009 5:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sure
if we were the yankees and had 200mm to throw around and waste. Hendry could probably pull off a good stienbrenner act and bid against ourselves….
-clarknaddison
by clarknaddison on Jan 13, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW Manny at Wrigley
that would be something, where would you put him?
Seriously, if we had the money, where would he play?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Jan 13, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Been there, done that, didn't work.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 14, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He could DH in interleague play in AL parks, and in the World Series. Not to mention Lou could bench Sori in Oct. for Manny
by wfree0104 on Jan 13, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm sure a guy with Manny's ego would sign off on that deal tout suite.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 14, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what will happen
Cedeno and Pie traded.
One pitcher (lefty reliever or starter) acquired/signed.
Resolution on backup 1b/3b/pinch-hitter. I don’t think Micah will be the guy — unless he can learn how to play third.
All three pieces can take on several permutations and could be related. Or, they could be very low-level moves (Cedeno for a prospect or two, etc.)
by elgato on Jan 13, 2009 5:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Clean out the dog house
They will trade:
Cedeño
Pie
Wuertz
They will also trade Vizcaino if they can find a taker.
I don’t think they’ll add a MI; Miles is it. That way they can carry 5 OFs (which they have to do given Gameboard’s medical history) and Hoff.
Unless Peavy is “cheap” (in prospects) and the new owner approves, I don’t see any additions other than 4A players.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jan 13, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
First 2 on that list
could be used to acquire other ’pen help.
Peavy won’t be cheap in prospects plus they’ll likely ask for more pitching and definate 0-3 guys.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 14, 2009 6:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bench
We have to keep Cedeno or an equivalent. Having Miles as the sole backup for all three non-1B infield positions is a recipe for disaster, given ARam’s leg problems from time to time.
by Seamer on Jan 13, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno's likely staying.
He was on the roster all last year, and Miles, essentially, takes DeRo’s roster spot.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 14, 2009 4:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
If Fontenot or Miles is starting, the other one is the MI, and we would need someone like Cedeno around. Is there anyone else in Iowa that could fill that role?
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Jan 14, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch for Nate Spears during ST.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 14, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Nate Spears shows up
I’ll be packing Cedeno’s bags for him. Never was a fan
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Jan 14, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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