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Rich Aurilla to Cubs?

from chicagosports.com:

The Cubs have spoken to Rich Aurilia's agent and may offer Aurilia a one-year deal to take Cedeno's spot and back up Aramis Ramirez and Derrek Lee.

I think it would be a great veteran to have on the bench... I think our bench is something that we really need to make sure we have flexibility and depth.on

So we could have:

Aurilla, Fontenot, Gaithwright, Johnson, Hoff? on the bench

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My memory has failed me....

…my first thought was his best years were way past….but a really nice replacement for DeRo perhaps?

2008 140 games (63 at 3b) 407 ABs 283 /.332 / .413

History shows ARam will need some days off and we need more than Miles to spot him…..

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by JB 23 on Jan 14, 2009 11:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Honestly,

I really don’t see Hoffpauir making the roster out of Spring Training.

by Damen Jackson on Jan 14, 2009 11:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

if not

then the cubs better find a power bench bat besides aurilla. There’d be very little power off the bench if it was Johnson/Aurilla/Fontenot/Gathright.

by toonsterwu on Jan 14, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i am by no means a micah fan

but i’d like to see some pop off the bench and micah is a nice and cheap option who offers a solid first base glove. If we have the money to make a move, then by all means, let’s go after someone else. If not, I’ve got a hard time not seeing Micah make the roster. There’s no need for Micah to be in AAA for the umpteenth time.

I’m fine with Aurillia although I don’t see the need unless it is the idea of having a “veteran” on the bench (and at this stage, he’s not Mark DeRosa – Aurilla is basically limited to 1st base now, although he might be passable at 3rd).

by toonsterwu on Jan 14, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me share with you two problems that I see...

with Hoffpauir. And listen, I don’t want to turn it into a debate, especially since Hoffpauir should have at least a shot to prove me wrong.

Lou likes versatility; alot. Micah would be in a MUCH better position if he could play a bearable corner outfield, or maybe even a spot of third. I wasn’t impressed with his work out there last season in spot duty though, and I didn’t get the impression that Lou was either. That’s a big problem on a Piniella team.

The other thing is that I’m not sold on him giving the team quality at-bats off the bench, which is a bigger problem. Hoffpauir has some real holes in his swing, especially on the breaking balls in and down. Now if he was a fourth outfielder, maybe I let it go. But essentially coming off of the bench exclusively, he’s either up against a good situational lefty, or the late-inning guys, who usually can bring heat, and spot that slider.

Now, if I see him whacking those breaking pitches in Spring Training, I’ll let it go. Past that, I see him heading for Iowa.

by Damen Jackson on Jan 15, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't really disagree with any of that

But if you send him down, are you really okay with that bench, a very limited bench that doesn’t provide much power or versatility? I certainly think a bench of Aurilla, Fontenot or Miles, Johnson, Gathright, and Cedeno would be lacking significantly. It isn’t a very versatile bench defensively unless Fontenot and Cedeno show they can handle other positions. I think people see Aurilla as a former MI and assume he can still handle it. There’s no indication that he has the range to do it on a semi-regular basis, and he is really only a MI in emergency situations. It is a bench that isn’t offensively versatile – there’s no power (I mean, ideally, a bench would have righty and lefty power), and the bats seem to be fairly streaky types.

Again, I’m not a huge fan of Micah. I think many Cubs fans have significantly overhyped him based upon his AAA performance. But unless we add a power bat, though, I would rather see Micah on our bench than wasting another year in AAA.

A long way to go, a lot of things to see, though.

by toonsterwu on Jan 15, 2009 12:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not advocating Aurilia..

personally, I’m not much of a fan. I was actually very high on Felipe Lopez in that role, but that went by the wayside. So, past my position that Hoffpauir isn’t the man for the job, I’m happy to just wait and see.

by Damen Jackson on Jan 15, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs don't seem as interested in power;

but it would be simple enough to get Valentin for the backup C position; still it seems they want “defense” from the backup C, which Valentin does not offer.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Cubs are talking to a Zaun or Bako like catcher who can bat left handed

Actually if you think about it, Bradley will be on the bench possibly 60-80 games a year so there is some pop there.

The other is that when RJohnson is playing CF either Fukudome on the bench along when Miles plays there will be Fontenot.

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by Ivy Walls on Jan 15, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't consider Valentin a catcher

since he seems to lack the skills to catch. He might be the worst catcher in MLB. Even the Reds thought so as they only used him to pinch hit or play a little first base.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 15, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah ...

but in his (limited chances) last year … didn’t Hoffpauir produce pretty nicely ?? usually in those spots you mentioned ??

i will say i am a fan of Hoff and i would love to see him become at least servicable at a corner OF spot …. if he can do this, i say he definitely makes the roster … and even if he’s stuck at 1B, i’d still like to see him on the team …. it’d be nice to get D-Lee some days off too

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by ClarkFan44 on Jan 15, 2009 3:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You really have to get micro...

on Hoffpauir. Most of his success last year were from starts, mixed in with some appearances off of the bench. That’s what the situation dictated, and he did fine.

With a loaded roster — which is what you normally have coming out of Spring Training — Hoffpauir wouldn’t be expected to see many at-bats, instead working almost exclusively in a pinch-hitting role. I’d look for some serious declines in average as such, as he is now working mostly against a team’s top relievers.

If Fukudome doesn’t hit — or when Bradley makes the inevitable trip to the DL — a call-up from the minors makes much more sense. And in the meantime, he can spend some games in the outfield down there, which would be a big help anyway in giving him a chance to stick on a major-league roster.

by Damen Jackson on Jan 15, 2009 6:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To me, the ideal situation

would be to send Hoffpaiur to AAA to start the season and call him up if there is an injury. That way, he would play every day and stay sharp and could be used as an injury fill in if someone gets hurt.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 15, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hoffpauir was good in starts

but only .231 / .286 / .231 as a PH. Small sample or a trend, who knows?

by rlpete on Jan 15, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for that..

I hadn’t looked up the stats, but that does confirm my impressions.

by Damen Jackson on Jan 15, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It should be noted that...

…those numbers were in 14 PAs.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 15, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

as a sub

he batted

.364 .417 .409

these are sort of like pinch hitting since you are coming off the bench cold….

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by Andre Fonseca on Jan 15, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

how many of those sub appearances

where the second or third ABs in the same game?

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 15, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that would mean i look at every game log ad nauseum

but here is his line when he faces a pitcher for the first time:
7/19 . 368 .400 .684 1.084
dang 5 Ks a BB and a HR

The point is these are small samples in the Majors… I think he will get lots of ABs in spring training, probably play an OF position in AAA while he waits for Soriano, Fukudome, or Bradley to get injured so he can get called up.

Maybe if Lou feels he is ready he can be a PH or spot Bradley, but I agree with another poster that he needs to get some practice in the OF in AAA.

Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....

by Andre Fonseca on Jan 16, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hoffpauir is

a butcher in the outfield.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

let's be clear here

you want Hoffpauir’s sausages?

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if they were prepared just like in the old country... sure!

and his nice genoa salamis, some prosciutto and pancetta, oh and don’t forget a wide assortment of cheeses and fresh bread followed by a nice bottle of chianti. I’ll skip the fava beans though.

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by ballhawk on Jan 16, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my problem

is that it seems like it takes him starting to get that swing. Off the bench, he just flat outright stinks.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 15, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

see my post above

off the bench he was 8/22…. thats not flat outright stinking

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by Andre Fonseca on Jan 15, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Right

but some of those ABs are included when he entered the game as a defensive replacement prior to batting.

When strictly called upon to pinch hit, Hoffpauir was .231/.286.516, going 3-for-13 with 7 strikeouts, 1 R and 1 RBI – no extra base hits. That stinks.

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by Trey2317 on Jan 15, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure there is really much difference

His clutch stats are pretty good… you can’t have a guy leading the AAA in hitting, smacking 4 HRs in one game and not give him a shot at the majors….

everyone bitches about the farm system and then when a guy proves he can hit in AAA there is this weird resistance because he has a few years under his belt. Give the Hoff a chance!

Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....

by Andre Fonseca on Jan 16, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

didn't he get his shot

last year? He just wasn’t all that good. I mean, it was the freakin METS.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

seriously?

he went 5/5 with 2HR vs the Mets in the game that he started vs Pedro.

I know he made an error but shit happens…. what kind of line do you need to see from a rookie to say- “hey this guy can hit”?

Cubs Karma: Don't take anything for granted.....

by Andre Fonseca on Jan 16, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We know he can hit

he does very well — WHEN HE STARTS.

My problem with him isn’t his batting when he starts. It’s his batting when he’s pinch-hitting, and his FIELDING when he starts. He can’t be a starter, and he’s no good as a pinch hitter. So what, he’s an early-inning replacement? That’s almost as bad as starting him.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I really think

That it is silly to say he can’t hit as a PH with only 14 PA’s… he was 3/13. If he got one lucky bloop hit he would be 4/13 making him a .307 hitter and a HoF PH in your book?

He did RoE in one PH AB, what if the scorer should have given him a H and he was 5/13- holy crap now he is hitting .384.

His 1B play is pretty good according to defensive stats in the minors.

I think you can transition to be an OK OF with some practice- i think he only has like 15 games under his belt as an OF.
Maybe not a great one but if he mashes at the plate I’ll accept some bad routes and a joey gaithwright late inning replacement.

What is the difference if you PH in clutch situation or come in as a double switch in clutch situations.? It’s basically the same but you get a different line in the box score.

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by Andre Fonseca on Jan 16, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

from what I remember of last year, he didn’t tend to come through in clutch situations.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

3-for-13 isn't bad.

The problem is, one walk and seven strikeouts. You’d like a PH to be at least a bit more selective.

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by Al on Jan 16, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope not...

I’d really like to sign a cheap veteran with some pop for that role, not sure who, but someone with some pinch-hitting/bench experience.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jan 15, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Like Jim Edmonds, for example?

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by IowaCubs- on Jan 15, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure...

But would he be willing to come off the bench, and for how much $?

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jan 15, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if this will be a minor league deal

which will require Aurillia to make the team in ST?

That would be the ideal situation for the Cubs and give them roster flexibility.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 15, 2009 12:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hmm.

It’s Aurilia, isn’t it?

And although we don’t have anyone to back up Aramis @ 3B, is this our best option? He made $4.5 mil last year, so I don’t think it would be a minor league deal anyway (isn’t there a rule for a guy with 14+ years experience?). If he’s half than that, like $2 mil, fine, do it. He’s a career average offensive player (OPS+ 100) and defensively, he’s played all four infield positions. His best UZR is @ SS (9.8), then 1B (5.9), but his worst is 3B (-5.1). If he’s cheap, then fine.

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by dtpollitt on Jan 15, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, I'd only consider Aurilia if he was cheap.

(Sorry about the mispelling.)

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 15, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

how much $$$

RA made 4.5 MM last year
unless we can get him for alot less than that, it makes no $en$e
for that kind of $$ we should’ve kept DeRo

I’d like for us to go after Mark Teahen off the bench he’s 10 year younger
and bats LH plus MT can play the corner OF as well as 3b &1B

with the strong possibilities of MB going on the DL, I’d be more incline to insert MT over JG or RJ

Games started ~ 13G at 1B, 19G at 3B, 31G in LF, 84G in RF, sounds like someone we used to know?

Rich Aurilla in 2008 140 games (63 at 3b) 407 ABs 283 /.332 / .413 runs scored 33

Mark Teahen in 2008 149 games 255 / .313 /.402 runs scored 66

MT can work on bringing down his Ks, but I like the idea of the versatility & a LH bat off the bench

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by CubFreak on Jan 15, 2009 12:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Only problem with Teahen:

He’s pretty bad defensively. In 256 games @ 3B, his UZR is -20.1 He’s pretty much average everywhere else in the field. I do like his left-handed bat, you are right, but I see this potential signing more as a defensive signing than anything else. Both players’ wOBA are similar (but Mark’s BABIP of .328 is better than Rich’s .298), so aside from L/R discussion, Rich’s glove is significantly better.

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by dtpollitt on Jan 15, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I do think a lot of

bottom of the roster players are going to get less than last year.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 15, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Aurilia...

… geez, what are we trying to do, become the Giants?

He’s 37, didn’t play SS at all last year, and his offensive numbers have tailed off. Frankly, I’d rather have Cedeno.

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by Al on Jan 15, 2009 4:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not that I'm backing this Aurilia move...

but some of these older guys can catch lightning in a bottle for a season. Or in Jim Edmonds case (and I remember all of us wretching at signing him) half a season.

Lou seems to like his veterens, and with a bench role in mind, they might be more mentally prepared to ride pine most of the time.

Just sayin’…

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by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jan 15, 2009 7:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

but I think Edmonds could be considered more of the exception than the rule…Al’s already mentioned the Giants, one could argue they have used the lightening in the bottle philosophy for along time…and it sucks. So we won a little at the roulette table with Edmonds…IMO its time to move on to better odds, and walk away from the Aurilla table.

by StevenABQ on Jan 15, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We should resign Edmonds

and have him backup OF/1B and just use Miles for 3B

by jbertram on Jan 15, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I could go either way on it, but I have not seen anything that suggests interest from the Cubs or let alone from Edmonds…have you?

by StevenABQ on Jan 15, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How crazy would it be...

…to suggest signing Edmonds to replace Daryle Ward as the big lefty bat off the bench? Too expensive? Wouldn’t accept such a role? Edmonds has made 51 career appearances as a first baseman, so he could potentially play that position occasionally as Ward did. And he could, of course, appear in the outfield as needed.

This is all assuming the Cubs don’t go with Hoffpauir. I’m well aware of Micah’s limitations but, as a matter of pure practicality, I would still be relatively OK with seeing him backup DLee at first and getting a shot as a bench bat if no other feasible options present themselves.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 15, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Now there's an idea

I wonder how open Edmonds would be to it, but I certainly wouldn’t be opposed.

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by Trey2317 on Jan 15, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. Cedeno is better and can play anywhere in the infield.

When I hear rumors like this, it tells me Hendry already has another home for Ronny.

by Rick B on Jan 15, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In My Opinion...

… Cedeno already lost his spot. And here’s why:

(1) 12 pitchers, 13 position players = 25-man roster
(2) 8 regulars + 1 backup catcher (Bako) + 4 reserves = 13 position players
(3) 2 IF reserves + 2 OF reserves = 4 reserves
(3) Miles + Hoffpauir = 2 IF reserves

That means Cedeno already doesn’t have a seat, so Aurilia is really competing to keep Micah in the minors…

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by initram on Jan 15, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

Miles made Cedeno expendable. Aurilia would replace Hoffpauir.

by SouthernCub on Jan 15, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Lou is the reason

we are moving from

Pie to Gathright
Cedeno to Aurilia
Blanco to Bako
and
DeRosa to Miles

Everyone of these decisions comes from either Lou’s stated “need” for LH options or (in Aurilia’s case) from the backup 3B gap left by wanting to go from DeRosa to Miles.

We will probably see all those players playing fairly regularly in 2009 and it will be interesting to see how they do.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, all that and

Fukudome to Bradley.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Money...

is the reason the Cubs are moving from Blanco to Bako. This is a backup position, 15% of the games. Lefty/righty has less impact here. The money was easy to move.

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by blackhawk24 on Jan 15, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I Agree.

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by initram on Jan 15, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yea, but ......

that destroys our ability to speculatively blame Lou Piniella for every personnel decision we don’t like. It was more fun when we knew all the answers and knew that Lou was the “bad guy” behind all our distress.

by philadelphiacub on Jan 15, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention,

as highlighted by all the handwringing around here and other places, there’s no way the Cubs are done yet. There’s too many spare pieces lying around (Cedeno, Pie) and still some needs (3B backup, 1B backup).

I’m not sure we can honestly/fairly assess the offseason until the deals are done. They aren’t.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm waiting to see the final picture

but things are beginning to be clear, I think. We’ll see.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Stop yourself

We get it, you hate Lou Piniella. With the exception of the salary dump move of Mark DeRosa, every single other “switch-out” you describe above is an upgrade. Even Paul Bako is a smarter financial move.

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't we done this already?

No, I don’t hate Lou Piniella.

My expectation is that at least 2/3 of those moves will be downgrades. (I’m not including the backup C, because I don’t think backup C is anything to get worked up about.) We’ll see.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to challenge this

Cubs had screaming need to add a left-handed bat to the mix. We’ve seen the dysfunctionality of this offense too many times in recent years. Fact is good pitching reduces the old Cub lineup to swinging from heels in desperate hope of cranking out home runs.

Gathright is an established major league ballplayer at this point who will capably serve the 5th outfielder role and play all three outfield spots while bringing blazing speed to the offensive and defense mix. Pie can’t hit major league pitching. CLEAR advantage Gathright.

DeRosa was a pure salary dump. Cubs also feel Mike Fontenot is ready to accept a greater role. Aaron Miles completes the picture by providing insurance and semi-filling the big loss of DeRosa’s versatility.

Rich Aurlia comes in here to take the old role of Daryl Ward and part of what Ronny Cedeno as supposed to be doing. The combo of Aurilia and Aaron Miles is the proper way to view the changeover.

Henry Blanco was too expensive in this economic climate for the Cubs. Paul Bako or whomever is a logical and cheaper replacement.

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with all of you assessments except for Gathright. He's a jag. I would have rather they

would have gone for somene with a bit more pop in his bat.

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jan 15, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Look at facts.

In 2008, the Cubs had better LH bats in Jim Edmonds and Mike Fontenot than the Dodgers. Leftylack is not why we lost.

It’s absurd to call the best offense in the NL and the second best offense in the majors (despite our not having a DH) “dysfunctional.” All offenses go cold from time to time. We did not go cold because we needed a fourth or fifth lefty.

Joey Gathright hit .254/.311/.272 in over 300 2008 plate appearances. Felix Pie hit .241/.312/.325 in 2008, better than Gathright, and Pie was hitting better after coming back, while Gathright’s career is heading the other way.

As a salary dump, the move from DeRosa to Miles saved us, what? 2 M. That’s pocket change to Jim Hendry. No, this was a decision to get a LH bat in the lineup.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Joey Gathright has a 68 career OPS+

in an 1100 AB sample size. Is he really, truly, CLEARLY better than Felix Pie?

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by DeRoMyHero on Jan 15, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

disagree

I’m the biggest Pie hater on this blog and gathright isnt better than pie. Period.

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by cubsluver22 on Jan 15, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mmmm. I love pie.

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by Al on Jan 16, 2009 7:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why wouldn't you include the biggest move of them all?

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what you're asking?

Milton Bradley replaces Jim Edmonds, so that’s not a lefty-righty move. It’s a get-younger-and-cheaper-and-healthier-and-better move.

My post was about replacing productive, good players with other players who appear to be lesser players, but (in most of the cases) left-handed.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Paul Bako

is a better move then Henry Blanco?

You’re daft.

Pie to Gaithright is an equal trade, maybe.

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 15, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who says Blanco was a move at all?

And, we don’t have Paul Bako yet.

I’m betting Blanco was not an option, even if we paid him 5 million. Plus, we’ll get a guy for much cheaper to take his role.

Blanco had 120 ABs last year. I’ll take $1m or two and stick it in the bank account for a downgrade in talent. Plus, who knows what to expect from a 37 year old catcher?

I contend Soto got his year of schoolin’ and he’s ready to face the big boys now. Doesn’t need a sensei. Plus, I imagine with their relationship, Blanco will be a phone call away.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say it was a move

BlueMike did.

Soto doesn’t need a sensei. But we need a backup catcher we can trust. I saw Koyie Hill play last year. I don’t trust him.

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 15, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So, who?

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Blanco

if you can get him.

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 15, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

But then why dump Pie, and pay extra to sign Gathright? Makes no sense.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jan 15, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the Doghouse (tm)

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 15, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed!

He is the type of aging veteran readily available, even after the July 31st trade deadline.

by tom veryzer on Jan 15, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong.

Al, Aurilia’s numbers aren’t tailing off. You may find facts, here.

2007: .252/.304/.368 (329 AB)
2008: .283/.332/.413 (407 AB)

2008 was an above average season in BA and OBP for him, and off .024 in SLG for him.

Cedeno can’t backup 1B. Aurilia can, and I’m not convinced Hoff makes the team.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 16, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But Aurilia hits righthanded.

That’s why I don’t think the supposed interest in him is real.

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by Al on Jan 16, 2009 4:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

????

You said you’d rather have Cedeno over Aurilia, citing Aurilia’s tailing numbers.

RA’s numbers aren’t tailing. And you proposing Cedeno fill that spot doesn’t give us a lefty, either.

I assume our backup catcher will be lefty (though not much of a hitting threat), Miles is a switch hitter, Fontenot will see some bench time as well as Fukudome. Gathright bats lefty.

What makes you think we’re after another lefty bench bat? No one is saying Aurilia will start.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 16, 2009 7:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I Disagree...

… when the Cubs were heavily right handed, they needed a power lefty bat off the bench to pinch hit. That was Ward.

Now that 7 of the 13 position players are either lefty or a switch hitter (I heard Hendry say that, haven’t confirmed it) the need for that lefty bat is likely equal to righty.

Off the bench, we are looking at RJ, Gathright, Miles, and Hoffpauir. So, clearly, Hoff is that guy. Getting someone to replace Hoff would create depth (in that Hoff could be a call up), get more experience, get more plate discipline, and play other positions that could fill the hole that DeRosa had left. It would also give Lou more options. I think this person could be righty or lefty…

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by initram on Jan 16, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So that leaves us with no backup catcher?

As I see it, if Aurilia is signed, we have Aurilia, Miles (Fonty), Hoffpauir, Johnson, Gathright on the bench. As long as we can find someone to take Pie and Cedeno (which still hasn’t happened yet…), that leaves us with 13 position players and no backup catcher. I don’t see this happening unless there are other, unforeseen, moves.

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by Sobenergy on Jan 15, 2009 8:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Koyie Hill is the backup catcher...

… unless Mark Johnson beats him out, or Paul Bako is signed.

I don’t see Aurilia being signed.

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by Al on Jan 15, 2009 8:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There'll be a backup catcher...

If Aurilia is signed, one of two things will happen:

1. Hoffpauir won’t make the squad; or
2. We’ll go with 14 position players.

Option 1 would be the more likely of the two if Aurilia is signed.

by SouthernCub on Jan 15, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And since Lou loves lefthanded hitters....

… I think this decision is pretty obvious.

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by Al on Jan 15, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed,

… and (1) is the answer.

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by initram on Jan 15, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You Know..

We had a guy that did all that and traded him for 3 pointles players. MARK DEROSA fit the bill that we need now and needed then and we traded him for nothing. Worst move in a long long time in my opinion.

by pickupman21 on Jan 15, 2009 9:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Big difference though...

Mark DeRosa is making half of Bradley’s 2009 salary, and expects to start. Aurilia would likely be making much less, and will be a backup.

And, as Hendry said, the biggest strike against DeRosa was that he was a RH hitter when the team “needed” to get LH.

by SouthernCub on Jan 15, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But

look at how Bradley acts. What makes people think being in Chicago will change him? I just dont think it made any sence to get rid of such a versitile guy who we knew and would do anything we asked. He had enough power and glove abilities to suit our needs.

by pickupman21 on Jan 15, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley hasn't "acted" any particular way yet.

He’s served his time figuratively and literally for past offenses and shouldn’t incur futher penalties for those transgressions. Meanwhile, if he can keep his health together, Milton could put up All-Star offensive numbers. Now I have a huge amount of respect for Mark DeRosa, but it’s highly unlikely he’ll put up his ’08 power numbers again. His versatility will be missed, but the Cubs felt they needed to shed his salary and his right-handed bat and so it goes.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 15, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I liked DeRo, but this is an excellent example of trading someone a year too early rather than a year too late.

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by Al on Jan 15, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Or having to offer him Arb next year...

and accepting a 2nd round compensation.

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by IowaCubs- on Jan 15, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are missing the point...

DeRosa bats RH! Hendry and Piniella wanted to get more LH. Bradley is a switch hitter. DeRosa was the only spot where the team could make a change to get more LH. Moving him allows Miles and Fontenot (switch-hitter and lefty bat) to battle for 2B and puts Bradley (switch hitter) in RF. That kills two birds with one stone.

I think the Cubs had the right idea in trading DeRosa when they did. I don’t think the return they got on the trade was the right amount though. But it’s better to trade a player a year early than a year late.

by SouthernCub on Jan 15, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

actually I think Lou is looking at Miles to compete with Theriot as well

THERIOT had a good year last year getting the most out of his limited MLB ability but he really is a very good utility/platoon player and not a starter. An energy guy who would do better starting 80 games than 140 games. This is the same for Miles and possibly Fontenot.

I can see Piniella starting Miles and Fontenot against most RH pitchers and starting Aurilia & Theriot against LH starters. It gets those on the bench playing time and offers an IF defense that players know each and sets up a positive competition.

Aurilia offers good backup for 3B and 1B which means Hoffpauir could be relegated to AAA as deep insurance or traded.

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by Ivy Walls on Jan 15, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

let me amend that if Miles wins the SS spot

Fonty and Theriot platoon at 2B with Theriot having an occasional start at SS and Aurilia is the RH bat off the bench, he has not played the middle infield for awhile (2005) regularly and except for an occasional start he has been a corner IF’er.

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by Ivy Walls on Jan 15, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Strongly disagree

They traded DeRo for spare change. If they kept him they could have offered him arb after the season and gotten a pick
better than all 3 of those guys put together. Instead they get Miles saving about 2.5 million this year and forcing them to
go out and sign a old bag like Aurilla to eat up much of the rest of that. All because Lou wants more lefties. As I recall DeRo
splits where pretty good. If trading DeRo had gotten them a really decent prospect than MAYBE better a year early then a year late. This was not a good move.

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by Doggie Stalker on Jan 15, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

missing the point

1) Bradley + Miles (.315/.345/.407 vs. RHP) > DeRosa (.275/.367.475 versus RHP)

2) LBR plays more with his .305/.395/.520 splits versus RHP

3) the team WAS too RH and this move changes the lineup balance

by socalbob on Jan 15, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This idea that the team was too RH is a figleaf and a myth

which has never been well corroborated, but you are right that it is the motivating factor behind this season’s moves.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

care to elaborate?

I’m not sure where you were going with that. Piques my curiosity a bit. Like to hear your thoughts. My take—they needed a few more LHB in the lineup from a matchup perspective if for nothing else it makes the opponent’s bullpen work much harder.

by socalbob on Jan 15, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My take

is that I’m not convinced at all that the Cubs big problem was a lack of left-handers. We were the best offesnse in the NL last year. Lou has tried to sell this absurd idea that our offense was dysfunctional when it was the best offense not in Arlington last year.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

162 games versus a Short Series

that’s the dysfunction I think. We were well constructed for 162 games, just not against tough RHP in a short series.

Derek Lowe – .635 OPS versus RHB & .633 OPS versus LHB
Billingsley – .617 OPS versus RHB & .760 OPS versus LHB
Kuroda – .608 OPS versus RHB & .703 OPS versus LHB

I would say we should have started as many LHB as possible given the splits of the pitchers we were facing. Those 3 are all stellar against RHB—that’s like pitching against a lineup of .300 OBP and .300 SLG guys. No wonder we looked like little leaguers against high schoolers.

And in ’07 Brandon Webb was more insane against RHB than the 3 Dodger hurlers.

I would say it’s far from a myth. A case could be made for a more balanced lineup. But the approach, choking, etc. falls clearly on the head of the batter.

by socalbob on Jan 15, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Cub lineup is too right handed and hack dominated. Jim Edmonds helped the equation a good deal but the organization didn’t feel he was worth the risk for another year.

But hey, why respect standard baseball convention and the wisdom of Lou Piniella and his 40 years in the game when we have DGU to inform us that the Cubs are an offensive juggernaut already. And that we should simply ignore hapless and hacking performance against good pitchers and during the playoffs.

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How close do we want to look at this?

1) In 2008, this is the Cubs’ line against RHP .274/.350/.443. This is the Cubs’ line against LHP .288/.366/.442. They’re nearly identical.
2) In the 2008 NL playoffs, we had the second best LH hitting of the 4 teams.
3) We replaced one of the RH guys who did hit in the playoffs, with a guy who hits worse against RH pitchers (check Miles’ and DeRosa’s career splits). What’s the point of “getting LH” unless it’s to hit better v. RHers?

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

numbers accumulated

against all types of pitchers over the course of 162 games. Brandon Backe, Barry Zito, and Jeff Suppan are not Derek Lowe is the point. Playoff teams will always feature 1 to 2 top starters.

I think the discrepancy is some people do want to look at this very closely and others dismiss it.

It comes down to the right mix and formula for winning in the post-season—what combos give the Cubs the best chance.

Disagree with your point 3 – LBR will see more at bats than Miles at 2B. Miles will play both SS/2B spotting Theriot at SS and playing against LHP and the ocassional RHP.

by socalbob on Jan 15, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think your point about the difference

between all pitchers and elite pitchers makes a lot of sense.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jan 15, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Miles' role has a lot to do with how this ends up looking.

If Miles is the starting 2B (as the Cubs.com depth chart has it), then we downgraded a position just to get a lefty.

If Miles plays 2B/SS and Fontenot gets the majority of the 2B bats, it’s a different move, and one I have less of a problem with.

I am still waiting to see. But a pattern is starting to emerge and we silly baseball fans who are writing about this in January are overeager to read as much as we can into everything because we can’t wait for baseball to start again.

As for elite pitchers, you’ve already shown us that not all elite pitchers are harder against their fellow-handed players (see Derek Lowe). So, unless you have some more advanced numbers for me about how the Cubs do against “elite” RH pitchers v. “elite” LH pitchers, I’m going to stick with the numbers that say they did equally well against RH and LH.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

the Miles thing is definitely key. I was opposed to signing him in the first place. Never really a fan. So, I am hopeful Fontenot beats him out.

You are missing the point about the stats. It’s by certainty of the stats that the Cubs will perform worse than their “Average” against a top pitcher, not duplicate their season average. It’s not about how the Cubs performed against the league, but how they match up with a top flight starter in the post-season. 4 out of their last 5 post-season pitcher’s faced were dominant against RHB, so it really doesn’t matter how the Cubs perform against RHP during the season. It’s about putting the best matchup on the field versus the guy you are facing.

Theriot, Soriano, Lee, Soto, DeRosa – all had lower OPS by significant margins vs. RHP. That’s 5 RHB who perform worse than their season average against RHP and now the Dodgers threw 3 RHP who flat out dominate RHB.

Soto, Sori, and Lee are not going to be taken out, so the options to find more balance come at 2B, RF, CF, and/or SS. That’s what these moves do because typically RHB do not hit as well versus RHP (particularly dominant post-season types). A-Ram had weird splits in ‘08 for some reason and is the only regular RHB who hit better vs. RHP. I don’t know what stats you are waiting for to help you understand my point. I think it’s clear and you think it’s clear as mud. Oh well…..

Can’t wait for March—not doubt about that!

by socalbob on Jan 15, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I get what you're saying.

The argument is
The 2008 Cubs’ SS, 2B, 1B, C, and LF all have trouble with RH pitchers.
Therefore, the 2008 Cubs were vulnerable to RH pitchers and that is why they were swept in the playoffs.

The holes in the argument are
that the 2008 Cubs had other players who smoked RH pitchers,
and the regular season stats do not bear out the idea that they were vulnerable to RH pitchers.

You said, well, it’s less about how the Cubs did in the regular season. I disagree. We can’t change which pitchers we face in the post-season. We have to focus on the team. And I don’t see a better way to analyze the team than by looking at the larger sample size of their entire season statistics.

Finally, I think we’re not even analyzing this the way Lou/Jim are, because Milton Bradley has career splits just like a right-hander. If my memory is right, Alfonso Soriano hits righties better on his career than Milton does on his. Soriano’s and Lee’s career splits, I believe, are less extreme than Milton’s.

There are, in fact, good reasons to predict that the 2009 Cubs will hit worse against RHP than the 2008 Cubs did.

No kidding about March – especially as I shiver a little writing this.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your first sentence indicates you didn't read my post correctly...

I said the Cubs had the right idea, but they didn’t get the return that they should have gotten. The players they got in return for DeRosa did not represent value.

by SouthernCub on Jan 15, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

waaaay off

Waiting a year doesn’t help 2009.

DeRo was the easiest money to move.

Hendry isn’t done yet! Gotta quit eval’ing trades in a vacuum.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jan 15, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what if Hendry

IS done? We’re talking about getting a backup infielder or a backup catcher at this point. That means that DeRosa really WAS traded for three minor league pitchers, and moved for Milton Bradley.

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 15, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fine by me.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Hendry's done dealing

I think the team is worse off than it was in January of 2008.

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 15, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Jim Hendry is hemmed in by too many fat back-loaded contracts with no-trade clauses included. In this economic climate around baseball he was not going to move some of these bigger names regardless.

Cubs also had screaming need to add a left-handed hitting dimension to the lineup. Banking on Jim Edmonds once again was apparently a risk the organization was not willing to take. Of course the “master plan” would have been better and cheaper accomplished if Felix Pie hadn’t busted out. Or if Kosuke didn’t turn out to be a big fat question mark and a bet that had to be hedged in 2009.

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the best offense in the NL

doesn’t have a screaming need for anything.

We had that.

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 15, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really???

Soriano
Fukudome
Lee
Ramirez
DeRosa
Soto
Theriot

Zambrano
Lilly
Dempster
Hill
Marquis

vs.

Soriano
Fontenot
Lee
Bradley
Ramirez
Soto
Theriot
Fukudome/Johnson

Zambrano
Dempster
Lilly
Harden
Marshall

And that’s IF he’s done dealing. BIG if.

Does no one understand that we added last year’s AL leader in OPS????

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, forgot our starting CF as of Jan. 08

Felix Pie. Go ahead and write Felix Pie in there.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It IS better now than Jan 08...

but it’s arguably worse better than June-Sept 08, when we had Edmonds and his .900+ OPS in there.

Replacing Edmonds’s 2008 performance (platooning with DeRosa) with Bradley (and his injury platoon partner) is probably a wash. Replacing DeRosa/Fontenot with Miles/Fontenot is a step back.

by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 7:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How is that a wash?

I’ll take Bradley and his AL leading 2008 OPS and his “injury platoon partner” (not sure what that means, since forseeing injury is pretty hard) Reed Johnson over Edmonds and…DeRosa (which isn’t really a platoon. They played different positions. I understand you mean that we played JE vs. righties and put D-Ro in RF vs. lefties. Still not a platoon.)

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 16, 2009 7:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not hard to foresee an injury...

for a guy who’s played above 100 games in the field once in his career.

Bradley’s OPS last year was .999. Edmonds’ OPS was .937 or something like that. DeRosa filled in at a near .900 OPS. That means we had a .900+ OPS from the OF spot that Bradley (and whomever fills in while he’s invariably hurt) will fill. I don’t expect Bradley to repeat the 1.000 OPS. I expect him to be close to .900 OPS. Add that to Gathright or Johnson who will fill in for him, and it’s a wash.

And Edmonds/DeRosa was a de facto platoon. Sorry I tried to simplify the matter. Not sure why you nitpicked an irrelevant side issue (de facto platoon vs platoon).

by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nitpick is a little strong.

And it’s not irrelevant.

DeRosa played all the games. Ok, not all the games. But he was going to start when available. How does that make him a platoonmate? He was rarely taken out of the lineup.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 16, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It WAS irrelevant...

As you should have been able to understand, we are replacing the combination of Edmonds/DeRosa/Fontenot with Bradley/Fontenot/Miles. That was my point. The specific wording of how it happened (de facto platoon vs platoon) IS irrelevant.

The combination of Edmonds and DeRosa was around a .900 OPS. The combination of Bradley and whomever fills in for him is not likely to be any better than that. Thus, I called it a wash.

Bickering over whether to call it a de facto platoon or a platoon or whatever is irrelevant.

by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Slight edit...

replacing Edmonds/DeRosa/Fontenot with Bradley/Bradley’s sub/Fontenot/Miles.

by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I see what you're saying now.

But you can save the inflamed rhetoric. I don’t see anywhere where I really “bickered.” Sorry you took it as a personal assault.

Christ.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 16, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't take it as a personal assault...

I just said you were nitpicking on an irrelevant side issue. Sorry you misinterpreted what I said.

by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fontenot

is going to regress if he has to face all pitchers. He was used extremely well last year.

I think we’ve made our MI weaker. I like Bradley, but I don’t know if he makes up for it.

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 15, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think LBR will share second base with Miles.

For better or worse, I don’t think Theriot has much to worry about from Miles.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 15, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

If Hendry is done dealing we are worse off .. I am hoping two other trades get done . The two trades would put the Cubs over the top ..

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 15, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If he's done...

it’s by forces other (and greater) than his, and the Cubs overall as whole are no better than last year.

Plus, some food for thought. Define ‘done’. Does that mean opening day? Or does it mean 7/31 or 8/31? To me ‘done’ is 8/31. Here’s why. They are the best in the division, by maybe more than 10 games. They have the luxury to wait things out, especially stabilizing their own ownership. There’s nothing to say Hendry won’t be able to kick it up a notch or two come late June and through July and August. Sometimes there’s teams that fall out that will have a player or two the Cubs would love to have. And they may be players we’re not talking about right now.

I believe that in the course of the next few weeks, they will be able to fine tune the roster by knowing the new ownership group will endorse more spending, more than the $140-145M we’ve discussed and by wheeling and dealing mid-level players.

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by blackhawk24 on Jan 15, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DeRo was not the easiest money to move;

Not trading for Gregg would have saved us twice as much as moving from DeRosa to Miles saved us.

These decisions were based on left-handedness, not on overall player quality or on finances.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I get it

You don’t adhere to the screaming need for more left-handedness in the Cub lineup. I guess you didn’t really pay attention to what happened to the Cubs when they went up against good pitching, or the famous flops of 2007 and 2008 in the playoffs where the Cub lineup was exposed for being too one-dimensional and Cubbie hitters were reduced to haplessly swinging for the fences.

You hate Lou Piniella. And in your mind Jim Hendry is strict order taker. Logic and I fundamentally disagree with virtually all of your theories.

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get that from his comments at all...

I think he’s just making an observation based on what he sees. I don’t think he’s necessarily right, but at least I understand the argument for Derosa vs. Miles (even though I’m warmer to it today than a month ago).

I think the Ceda/Gregg trade is another example of Hendry leaning from past mistakes, trading a guy one year before he loses his usefulness. Ceda was a low end prospect, and we needed another righty arm after giving up on Woody and Howry.

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by IowaCubs- on Jan 15, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But it's not DeRosa for Miles.

Miles will likely be Fontenot’s backup.

It’s really DeRosa for Fontenot.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We'll see.

I think Fontenot deserves a shot and can see moving DeRosa a year early to give Fonty that shot. If Fonty shares a lot of playing time with Miles, however…. Right now Miles is the starting 2B on the Cubs.com depth chart.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't like Ceda, so trading him was the right move for me.

Trading him for Gregg, however, was a poor move for reasons I’ve elaborated elsewhere.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As an exercise in absurdity

I wonder if I should just respond to your comments in the future by ignoring the points you are making and only say,
“I get it; you hate truth, justice, and the American way, and that’s the only reason we disagree.” Fair enough?

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

will the season never start?

reruns are boring.

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 15, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't get the impression DGU hates Lou, either.

He simply disagrees with Lou’s approach to re-assembling the team.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 15, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How?

What would it have cost to retain Wood?

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by blackhawk24 on Jan 15, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

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by initram on Jan 15, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There are more options than

Wood or Gregg.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How Bradley acts.

I’m assuming you’re talking about the most recent incident, when Bradley was baited by an umpire and tore his knee. Or perhaps when he threatened a announcer who criticized him. Or when he threw a plastic bottle into the stands after it had been thrown at him (after a fielding error).

It’s not the first time a ball player has challenged someone to a fight/been overly emotional on the field. An epic George Brett clip comes to mind. In each of these incidents, Bradley has been contrite. His biggest hurdle mentally is not letting his ridiculous competitive level get in the way of poor judgement. Think a guy like Lou Pinella knows a thing or two about this?

Bradley led the AL in OPS last year. He’s left-handed. Most defensive sabermetrics rank him as a plus defender. If his knee has healed in 18 months, he could be an all-star.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would suggest

that when Bradley plays in 145+ games and the Cubs win the Division, Milton Bradley will be 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in NL MVP voting.

by socalbob on Jan 15, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was at that game

where Brett went insane. Good times…

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 15, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You were at the....

…’83 pine tar game? Excellent!

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by blackhawk24 on Jan 15, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This Reminds Me...

… of the scene in Good Will Hunting where Robin Williams missed game 6 where Carlton Fisk wished that homer fair that hit the foul pole…

… all to see about a girl!

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by initram on Jan 15, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you bet I was. I was 13 years old.

Couldn’t see a damn thing, either, in the Yankee Stadium upper freakin deck, with it’s 60-degree incline… :D

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by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Three pointless players?

We traded high on a decent player coming off a career year.

Also, if you hadn’t noticed, our cupboard was pretty bare in the farm system.

Just because you trade for minor leaguers doesn’t mean you trade for nothing.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well said

especially since I believe Hendry is no where near done yet.

I consider “done” when August 31st has past. This way the NWT and WT deadlines both have past and teams have to start configuring their playoff rosters. It’s a loooooooooooooooong way to August 31st.

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by blackhawk24 on Jan 15, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

These guys could be on other teams’ wishlists. Heck, they could have been on our wishlists.

Replacing DeRosa with Fontenot…sure you lose a lot of versatility. But you gain a better (according to defensive ratings) defender and I’m not sure we lose a lot on offense. You also gain bullets in the trade gun…something we didn’t have much of before.

Mid-year deals aren’t free agent acquisitions. They’re not about buying players. These acquisitions are trades, and we have to have someone to trade.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If it some how enables....

…a Roberts or Peavy trade by moving a lower cost Cedeno in that trade, then I’m all for it. Otherwise….meh.

Like always, a Hendry move (if it becomes true) cannot soley be viewed in a vacuum (aka DeRo trade).

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by blackhawk24 on Jan 15, 2009 9:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not re-signed.

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by Al on Jan 15, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Aw, come on. Daryle was a cool guy...

…and I don’t recall him being injured all that much.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 15, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's one of my favorites...

even though he never really got much going here.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jan 15, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he had a nice '07.

Didn’t get much done last season besides that game-winning knock against Kevin Gregg, though.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 15, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He had a few big hits here and there...

The GS against STL in ‘07, the big 9th inning 3-run HR off of Gregg in FLA last year… there’s probably more.

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by CubsBullsBears on Jan 15, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But his .327/.436/.527 in '07 was.

Like I said, he had a down year in ‘08. But he also had a great attitude and may have been helping out other guys from the bench. I don’t necessarily blame the Cubs for not bringing Daryle back, but I like to give him his props.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 15, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In My Opinion...

… Aurilia would not be replacing Cedeno but rather Hoffpauir’s spot.

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by initram on Jan 15, 2009 11:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

In a sense, yes, but

Aurilia is also necessary to get someone with a decent arm behind Aramis, because Fonty and Miles don’t have the arms for 3B. The player I wish we could get is Wilson Betemit.

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by DGU on Jan 15, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Cedeno doesn’t play 1b and Aurilla can play 3b, unlike Hoff.

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by CubFaninCA on Jan 15, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Has Ty Wigginton signed somewhere yet?

If not, why the $%#@ are we wasting our time chasing after Aurilla? Wiggy is 6 years younger, plays a decent 3B, can also play 1B and the OF, still swings a pretty good bat with some pop, and you talk about a clubhouse presence…

…I can guaran-damn-tee you that he was one of the biggest reasons why the Rays did so well last year. He last played for them in 2007, but he laid a huge part of that team’s character foundation while he was there.

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by ballhawk on Jan 15, 2009 12:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I hear Wigginton wants $$

and probably years as well. He’s a luxury the Cubs can’t afford, and anyway he probably would like to go somewhere where he can start.

by JodyDavis on Jan 15, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

$$ and years

dwindle by the day. Would love to scoop Wigginton up during ST.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And playing time

I think Aurilia is fine being a bench player. Wiggington wants 500+ AB’s.

by jerry morales rules on Jan 15, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough - his stats probably do deserve a little more playing time

which he probably wouldn’t get here with ARam and DLee. But I’d like to know that Hendry at least put out a call.

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by ballhawk on Jan 15, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I'd love to have him

But it seems really really unlikely any way I look at it.

by JodyDavis on Jan 15, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love Wigginton.

I don’t agree with the “he can play the OF” argument, but so what? We have RJ and Gathright for that.

Wiggington can play 2B as well.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ty Wiggington too expensive and will want a better gig

Wiggington is going to want to play and grab at least 350 at bats. He’s not getting that with the Cubs, plus he would cost too much money.

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think he could platoon with Fontenot, perhaps?

Leaving Miles in a pure backup position?

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wiggington is more 3rd base and 1st base material than the middle infield

He’s a Geoff Blum clone from the other side of the plate. He’s best suited for the infield corners. There are several teams that he could land with that would probably net him good playing time. San Francisco makes sense. So does Milwaukee to play some 3rd base instead of the massively overrated Bill Hall. Or Atlanta to back-up the aging Chipper Jones and provide insurance shoud Casey Kotchman once again flop like he did in Los Angeles.

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure.

I agree with this.

I just think Wiggington is better than Aurilia.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Rich Aurilia is a grizzled veteran who would come in here and understand his role. And that role would be to serve as number one pinch-hitter and provide backup option at 1st base, 3rd base, 2nd base and his former everyday home of shortstop.

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

pretty much

Aurilia, RJohnson or Fukudome or Bradley, and then Miles or Fonty or Theriot when they are seated will be the pinch hitters….actually not a bad pick to get some offense started if Aurilia can still use the glove in the middle infield this allows Lou to double switch which is what he likes to do.

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by Ivy Walls on Jan 15, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is important

Lou does love the double switch, and seeing as we lost our most versatile player in DeRosa, whoever takes the Daryle Ward spot on the roster needs to be a lot more moveable piece than Ward was.

We certainly wouldn’t want to trot Aurilia out to SS or 2B too often, but at least he can if necessary, and that he’s apedt enough at 1B and 3B already makes him a very useful player for the team, at least as it stands right now. There are bigger bopping guys out there, but I doubt any of them could play all 4 infield spots.

And as many have mentioned before, he’s not going to gripe no matter where we put him. He’s kind of a homeless person’s DeRosa.

by JodyDavis on Jan 15, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Very well summarized on your part

Hit the nail on the head. Hence why Micah Hoffpauir has little real chance of making the Cub roster too.

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine

Aurilia would take a minor league deal with the Cubs over returning to the Giants, so if he’s signed, I think it’ll be more than just an invite to Spring Training. He’s a good team guy, still has a little pop and a good arm, and he can play 1st and 3rd better than any of our current backups. There are definitely better options out there, but they are bound to be more expensive options.

I thought Aurilia was done 6 years ago, but he’s found a nice niche, and I think he’d fit very well with this Cubs team.

by JodyDavis on Jan 15, 2009 12:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I mentioned Aurilia as a target before

In my estimation he takes the utility slot that some of you foolishly say is Micah Hoffpauir’s. Cub bench becomes the following…

Aurilia – plays all 4 infield spots and is # 1 pinch hitter
Cedeno – he still sticks in my view
Kosuke / Johnson platoon
Gathright
Reserve Catcher

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Where's Miles?

Does he get released?

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oops...great point

My bad. Aaron Miles takes the spot of Ronny Cedeno, leaving…

1. Aurilia – plays 3rd, SS, 2nd, 1st, top pinch-hitter
2. Miles
3. Kosuke / Johnson platoon
4. Gathright
5. Reserve catcher

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What we just discussed--the Miles signing

is what makes me think we’re getting a SP or LOOGY via trade. That trade involving Pie and Cedeno.

Now, since every team knows Pie and Cedeno are spare parts for us, not sure what we can get for them.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Surely there are several teams inquiring about

Pie and Cedeno. Since most teams aren’t looking to give up starting pitching, this is just more indication that Hendry will make a run at Peavy or Roberts…

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by CubFaninCA on Jan 15, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope.

I’m still holding out for Peavy…but we’ll see.

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by Bildo1805 on Jan 15, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

please make a run

those two guys on board at the begining of spring training .. we need a switchhitter leadoff , great glove and arm up the middle , who can steal bases who produces runs so bad . give the O’s an offer they can’t refuse .. the Cubs are so close to be so dominate in the MLB

by CUBFANINAZ on Jan 15, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In my view Pie, Cedeno and Wuertz will be traded for...

A. A relative low-cost bullpen option, preferably somebody who throws from the left-side

B. Prospects

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 12:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Especially when clearing out that...

4 million owed between them allows him to chase a fifth starter.

by Damen Jackson on Jan 15, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this might be the musical chairs that lands a Wolf

we will see, if it is low budget stuff or a big move.

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by Ivy Walls on Jan 15, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd much rather see those chair yield a Sheets

Higher one year salary? Yes… Multi-year? Doesn’t have to be.

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by blackhawk24 on Jan 15, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Confusion

I don’t understand why Fontenot is considered a bench bat. I mean he only posted a .305/.395/.514 line last year. The guy has earned the starting 2b spot and as far as I know will be given every shot to be the starter. Also, he’s a lefty and the majority of starters are righties and you know that Lou likes his platoon match-ups. Miles isn’t being paid like a starter and isn’t going to be given the job just walking in. I think we’ve all learned that’s not how Lou does things. Not to mention Miles versatility is to replace Derosa’s thus he could play SS against righties or give one of the infielders a breather.

Now, I also don’t think Aurilia would be a bad move based on the fact that we need a righty bat with some pop off the bench. His line against lefties: 321/.377/.526 for a .903 OPS. Not too shabby. If we aren’t going to pull in Wigginton (which seems a no-brainer) than this guy seems like an alright bench option.

As for a couple other things: Joey Gathright was not given a major league deal, if Pie outplays him in ST (given they both make it that far) then he’ll be given every chance at the 4th (5th?) OF role. Gathright nor Miles have earned anything yet.

Other than that, Blanco was a pretty expensive backup and it sounds like he wants to take some time off. He hasn’t signed with anyone else so this also points towards him taking some time off. Considering his brother was brutally murdered in December I think it’s only right he does what he feels is best for the family. It’s hard to randomly blame Bako over Blanco on Hendry when there’s so many unknowns. (one being we haven’t even SIGNED Bako yet!)

by Boom Town on Jan 15, 2009 9:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Fontenot...

… will get the majority of the starts at 2B.

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by initram on Jan 15, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

I’m pretty sure we will see Aaron Miles grab the majority of playing time at 2nd base.

by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

Lou likes Fontenot and Fontenot hits lefthanded. Combine the fact that Lou wants more LH hitters in the lineup with the fact that a LH hitter generally gets 2/3-3/4 of the AB in a platoon role — Fontenot likely gets 400-450 AB and starts 110-120 games.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 16, 2009 4:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's play a logic game...

We both agree that Miles is not a good hitter, right?

We both agree that Piniella is good at spotting bad hitters, right?

So why would you say that Miles will get the majority of the time at 2B if Fontenot is the better hitter?

I think they’ll platoon, which means Fontenot will get the majority of the starts at 2B. I think Miles will also get time at SS, filling in against the toughest of the RHP. I think both players will get over 300 AB as a Cub next year.

by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 7:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Two things…

One, Mike Fontenot is a good little hitter. But what goes undiscussed around these parts is how Lou Piniella selectively and smartly played him in 2008. To the definite positive benefit of his personal statistics.

Two, Aaron Miles is being paid $2.5 million a season for two years. It is my opinion that the relative generiosity of the deal means that Jim Hendry (and presumably Piniella) intends for him to be playing near-regularly.

So, I don’t see Fontenot and Miles winding up in a strict platoon. Rather I see Miles seeing the bulk of playing time at 2nd, with Fontenot grabbing a healthy share of at bats. Probably about the same amount of at bats that he grabbed in 2008.

by BLou on Jan 16, 2009 8:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So does this mean that you disagree with Piniella on something?

Because I think we agree that Miles shouldn’t be an everyday player.

I happen to disagree with you on how the playing time will work out. Hendry paid Reed Johnson over $3 million to be a 60-70 game OF. He paid $2.5 million to Blanco to be a 50-60 game C. $2.5 million doesn’t mean you need to play everyday.

I think Piniella will get more AB for Fontenot. That doesn’t mean Fontenot is going to play everyday (nor did I say it did). I think Fontenot will get 80-100 games at 2B and Miles will get 60-80 games at 2B, and 10-20 games at SS.

by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The playing time plan

you mention ties in with what Bruce Miles suggested in the thread he started.

Of course, one of Lou’s better qualities is his adaptability and I think we could see those numbers shift if Fonty pulls out of the gate strong and continues to be one of the Cubs better SLGers, or if this article is right, then Miles could end up playing quite a bit of SS.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 16, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Theriot's 2009 productivity...

is definitely an area of concern for me. His numbers were way out of line with his career trends, which begs the question of whether it was luck or not. When he was OBPing at a ~.390 rate, he was fine. If he’s OBPing at a .340 rate, he’s not fine.

by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hence why we might see a mid-season acquisition of a middle infielder

Jack Wilson is a name to keep an eye on. That name will generate a collective groan on BCB, but he might be in a Cub uniform this summer if the Ryan Theriot momentum starts to wane. We are in trouble if Mike Fontenot is playing the shortstop position defensively.

by BLou on Jan 16, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There's no way Hendry will trade for a player that bad who's making that much money.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 16, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I think that if we need a SS, we’d likely be looking at someone like the Rays’ Bartlett, who could easily be pushed out of his job by Brignac come mid-season.

The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.

by DGU on Jan 16, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

VERY doubtful...

I’m pretty sure that’s why the Cubs signed Miles.

by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A quote from WV23...
Hendry said Wednesday that Mike Fontenot will compete with Miles for the second base job in spring training. “Absolutely,” Hendry said. “I think when we all got done, and all the things that got batted around in the last couple of months, we forget how good a player he was last year.”

Fontenot has a chance, not to be a platoon partner, but to be a starter at the keystone.

by Boom Town on Jan 17, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I Think You Are Mistaken...

… I believe Gathright was given a major league deal, as was Miles.

My 2008 Christmas wish list includes this jersey. In Hendry We Trust! Current 2009 payroll.

by initram on Jan 15, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are wrong about Gathright.

Gathright is on the 40-man roster. Thus, he has a major league contract.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 16, 2009 4:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct...

Gathright was given an $800,000 major league contract.

by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 7:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Worst thing every done on this site.

You only come here to argue anymore, ok?

by Boom Town on Jan 16, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

See this site

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

The separation way down where there is “minor league contracts” is where the 40-man ends. I’ve found this to be a good source of info.

BTW, take a look at the Pads. $32.05M for EIGHT players. IMHO either that $40M goes up by $5-10M or a certain SP is traded…

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jan 16, 2009 7:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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