Cubs Sign So Taguchi
by dmlichte on Jan 15, 2009 10:38 PM CST
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Taguchi gets a minor league deal with an invite to spring training. The deal calls for him to potentially $900,000 if he makes the club.
Taguchi is the kind of guy you see on playoff teams, however he'll be 40 this season and did not have a great 2008. This possibly is a guy to bring in to be Fukudome's buddy in spring training as well. I do imagine that he'll get a shot at making the big league team, however with Soriano, Fukudome, Johnson, Bradley and Gathright, the odds are not in his favor of making this team. On the other hand, if he's willing to go down to AAA, he's likely to get a few call-ups with the health issues of Soriano and Bradley.
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I Presume This Signing...
… puts him on the 40-man roster, right?
Who gets cut? Or, is the trade that we all want going to happen just in time for the announcement tomorrow at the Convention? ;-)
by initram on Jan 15, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No
Its a minor league deal. If he makes the club then yes, he needs to be put on the 40-man roster. I just don’t see that happening.
Baring injury or otherwise Soriano, Johnson, Fukudome, Bradley and Gathright make this club. Infield locks are Lee, Fontenot, Theriot, Miles, Ramirez, and Soto. Assume the Cubs go with 12 pitchers and thats already 23. Add a back-up catcher and a back-up 3B/INF and the 25-man roster is set.
IMO Taguchi can add to 25 as well… realizes that he could get playing time on a mediocre team or shuttle between AAA and Chicago to fill in for injured outfielders.
by dmlichte on Jan 15, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've Been Through The Details Of The Roster As Well...
… and currently, Hoffpauir has the last IF spot to lose. Bako likely lands the backup catcher post.
I thought, though, that these minor league signings still landed these folks on the 40-man, to which the Cubs don’t have room. If not, then we’re cool.
Slightly OT: How did Cedeno get $822K in arbitration? I was thinking he’d get under $500K…
by initram on Jan 15, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Minor league signings
do not go on the 40 man roster. They are invited to spring training as non-roster invitees.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 15, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One Follow-Up...
… if they don’t make the team and are cut, are we not entitled to pay for any of the $900K?
by initram on Jan 15, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Generally, the "minimum" in arbitration for fourth-year players is $750,000.
The level is based on what fourth-year utility types have gotten in the past. $822,000 seems reasonable; I guessed $800,000 on my spreadsheet.
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by DeRoMyHero on Jan 15, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this does not effect the payroll projection until there is is other movement
Taguchi was another La Russa guy who could play all three positions in the OF well, provide some serviceable offense until last year where he batted .280 for Tony & Co. where between 2004 and 2007 he played almost 130-140 games but getting only 330 or so AB’s, batting .290 or so, played alot of CF and LF and few occasions he played RF.
More importantly he is a Japanese-national who knows the travel and adjustment. This all allows Hendry more flexibility since I really believe that Hendry/Piniella & Co are not satisfied with their middle infield and other bench options. Taking the names out of the roster Cubs have a 2B (who bats RH) playing SS, another 2B who bats LH but cannot play SS and a 2B/SS who is a switch hitter but is a platoon veteran, and stated interest in a 3B/1B utility player who used to play the middle IF who bats RH.
Here is my best guess, on paper it would look great that Fontenot plays 2B and bats like August/September….then what at SS? My thinking is that Hendry/Piniella & Co. would love to either find another REAL SS, and then go to the season with three middle infielders, allowing the Cubs this kind of bench.
RJohnson…..platoon/4th OF, RH bat (can play all OF positions) $3M
Joey Gathright…….5th OF, LH bat (can play 2 OF positions OF/LF) $850K
Rich Aurilia(?)…….IF RH bat (3B/1B/2B) $1M?
Paul Bako/K Hill back up catcher LH or switch hitter $500K or less
Aaron Miles platoon/Middle IF, switch (can play 2B/SS) $2.3M
Now if the Cubs trade Fontenot and acquire a real SS they can move Theriot back to 2B and have Miles and Theriot back up SS as well and go north with Aurilia as the other back up at 2B. IF they trade Theriot and get a real SS they can move Miles to back up SS/2B and have Aurilia to back up 2B where Fontenot probably gets most of the early season starts.
All this allows the Cubs to carry Taguchi as another OF’er who can play RF/CFLF, travel with Fukudome and also allow Piniella more double switch situations.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jan 16, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My Question Pertained...
… to the Cedeno transaction, not Taguchi.
I am at 134.5, pending other trades, additions, subtractions.
by initram on Jan 16, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am about to make a new column for projection sake
Out of Options/arb eligible not signed….meaning there are three players who are either arb eligible and/or out of options to return to AAA without being released and going through waivers.
Essentially they are not guaranteed anything on the 25-man roster and essentially those spots are open.
Thus Cedeno, Wuertz, Rich Hill, and Pie are in that category, Gregg I am exempting since the Cubs have openly stated that he is competing for a closer role (basically a form of a starting roster role). A thumbnail is that this group is worth +/- $2.5M in salary $$$
Now if these players are traded or released it costs the Cubs nothing except roster development value. If you were Cedeno’s agent you have to realize his role on the Cubs is essentially over…Cubs have signed a SS/2B veteran for 2 years, talking with another utility veteran IF’er who did play 2B/SS as well as 1B/3B.
Pie is essentially all but over except for the announcement since Gathright and now the minor league agreement of Taguchi eliminates any role for him. This is the meat grinder of MLB roster and essentially Hendry has said for both either they had to elevate to a Soto/Theriot/Fontenot/Marmol/Smardz/ level of contribution or the Cubs in this stage of contender status need more experienced veterans willing to perform the subordinate support roles.
Now I think Hendry is recruiting Wolf as a Mulholland type of pitcher. Marshall still has options or value and if they Cubs indeed sign Wolf to a $1-2M deal (remember the price for a 5th starter is diminishing quickly meaning the roster value of a 5th starter at Marshall’s salary slot is increasing), but the Cubs have said that Marshall is valued because of the role he is holding down not his potential or realized talent level. This is a known quantity.
Sign Wolf for $1.5M with appearance bonus to $2M and you can deal Marshall and his $450K salary for value. Throw in a Wuertz or Rich Hill and you got the semblance of value. Now with Wolf the thing is nothing is promised and he would only be joining the Cubs to join a true contender (and beat the Phils) so he could the LOOGY or Swing if the Cubs go and acquire Peavy.
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by Ivy Walls on Jan 16, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Wolf signs for so little
by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's likely to get a Lohse type contract...
1 year/$4.25M in 2008.
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by IowaCubs- on Jan 16, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am at $139,372,000 for 2008.
Note that this includes the signing bonuses for Demp and Gameboard. Included are my arb guesses for Gregg, Wuertz, and Koyie Hill. This is for only 28 players; most GMs calculate based on the 40 man roster. Also, I have not included performance bonuses.
The scary figure is 2010: The Cubs have $116,325,000 committed to 11 players.
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by DeRoMyHero on Jan 16, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This figure does not include So Taguchi.
I don’t think he will make the team.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jan 16, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mine is Different...
… I have excluded Demp’s signon bonus, but included Gameboards. I have arb guesses for Gregg, too, and have excluded Taguchi.
All said, I’m at $134.5 (see spreadsheet from my sig). We are off by less than $1M if we remove Demp, but I have included players 29-40…
by initram on Jan 16, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have $139,372,000 to spend?
Give some of it to Hendry!
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by Al on Jan 16, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point I think Hendry is playing games with the Cardinal fans
Just signing former Cardinals left and right.
Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.
by nji232 on Jan 15, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Taguchi
He was on the Cardinals they won the World Series.
Signed with Phillies they won the World Series.
Signs with Cubs (You know what that means)
by Galvan316 on Jan 15, 2009 10:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So "Albatross" Taguchi
Bring us to the promised land!
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Jan 16, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda reminds me of the Marquis thing.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 17, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is incredible! Wow! Right on Hendry!
I’m overreacting! Somebody Help!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 15, 2009 11:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that guy's
gonna blow a gasket…
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by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am underwhelmed
40 year old .175 hitter
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by Grockcubs on Jan 15, 2009 11:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And Kosuke may turn out to be a So Taguchi clone in the bigs
Or as Derrek Zoolander might want to say, this is a really really really really really strange move.
by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really...
It’s a minor league contract. He’s likely been signed to hang out with Fukudome to make spring training easier, and then will either be sent to the minors (if he accepts) or released.
by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think...
… he’s more of an insurance policy for Gathright.
by initram on Jan 16, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doubtful...
Gathright is a speedy LH bat. Taguchi is a not-so-speedy RH bat.
Further, why does Gathright need insurance? We already know he can do what he’s going to be asked to do (be a defensive sub and pinch runner).
by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it.
Why does So Taguchi make ST easier for Fukudome—a guy who’s known to put in long days at ST anyway????
I don’t like a lot of Americans. If I were playing baseball in the Ukraine, why would signing another American help me?
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by Bildo1805 on Jan 16, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say it was smart...
but I can see why they did it. If you were the ONLY American in Ukraine, you’d probably feel a bit more comfortable if their were a few guys from your homeland to talk to. Even if you wouldn’t otherwise be best friends.
by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
even if it was BLou? ;-)
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by ballhawk on Jan 16, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like prisoner's dilemma to me
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by Emelie on Jan 16, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
…is he gonna be the first Cub since the infamous Todd Hundley to wear number 99? He wore it with the Cards, and the Phillies as well if I’m not mistaken. That’s not a lucky number for a Cub to wear.
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by hip2bsquare on Jan 15, 2009 11:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If He Makes The Team...
… he likely will.
by initram on Jan 15, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does it really matter
If it comes down to hoping that So Taguchi plays a positive and productive role in 2009 then surely the wheels on the bus have come horribly off.
by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So which Cardinal discard is next ?!?
Can Adam Kennedy be far behind?!?
by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 11:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Him I wouldn't have minded
David Eckstein could join the gerbil squad we have in the middle infield. He actually would have made a better addition than Aaron Mles in my estimation. Help Theriot at shortstop and Fontenot at 2nd base, plus he can bat at the top of the order.
by BLou on Jan 15, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would expect a man of your baseball acumen to be smarter than this.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 15, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SPARKPLUGS!
they’re EVERYWHERE…
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by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they have a town full of them
(and a successful basketball team)
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by Trey2317 on Jan 16, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, Miles was not a discard by any stretch.
They were looking to resign him.
Unless you were just trying to cast a pun by using the word “disCard”. Though I don’t think you’re that clever.
by Wreckard on Jan 16, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine this move
Is more for adding a veteran addition to AAA. As I posted in the minor league thread, the AAA OF options are iffy right now, and it’s not as if AA is loaded.
Entering 2009, I think we are looking at guys like Brad Snyder (lots of tools, no understanding of hitting discipline), Sam Fuld (fringe guy who if he makes the bigs, its as a depth OF anyways)), Jake Fox (fringe OF who might play some first. Adding a guy like So Toguchi there isn’t the worst idea at the start of the year for Iowa. If he does well, then he sticks and is a viable option to call up if an injury happens. If he does poorly, then he gets canned some ways down the line.
by toonsterwu on Jan 15, 2009 11:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It All Depends...
… on what Taguchi is looking for.
I am sure he is looking for a 25-man roster spot. Does anyone know if he has earned his right to refucse an assignment to AAA if he doesn’t make the 25-man?
If he refuses, perhaps he will go to another team that can provide a 25-man roster spot, wait around for an opportunity, or retire.
I think the eventuality of what will happen is that Gathright will be ok, Taguchi will be released, he’ll wait around for other nibbles, and then have retirement make the decision for him…
by initram on Jan 16, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Methinks like DmL said...
…this is a “Dome pretty please buddy up with Taguchi, learn the MLB ropes, and get back to last year’s early season form” signing. We don’t need another right-handed OF. Good find DmL.
Dan
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by dtpollitt on Jan 15, 2009 11:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Just as the Cubs last year signed Shingo Takatsu, who was just about as done as Taguchi, to be a guy Dome could at least speak to in his own language during spring training, I think this is just a move to have someone available in the case of dire emergency.
He probably won’t make the team, as there isn’t really any room. If he has a good spring, maybe he’ll agree to go to Iowa to be an emergency backup.
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by Al on Jan 16, 2009 4:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Why spend a not insignificant amount of money to sign So Taguchi and bring him to camp, all for the purpose of giving Kosuke a pal. Mesa will once again be inundated with members of the Japanese media and Japanese-American fans who have come to see Kosuke.
Heck, I live in fear of Kosuke actually bein g the second coming of Taguchi in the majors. Or in other words a light hitting slap happy singles hitter whose presumable value is as 5th outfielder type who gives you good defense in left, center and right. Cubs didn’t dish out $48 million for reincarnation of Taguchi. And we certainly don’t need to bring Taguchi himself to camp to serve as hitting mentor for crying out loud.
by BLou on Jan 16, 2009 7:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not insignificant amount of money?
He only gets the $900,000 if he makes the big league team. Otherwise, it’s a drop in the bucket.
He’s also not a hitting mentor for Fukudome. Just a guy with similar background brought in to make him more comfortable.
I think you’re overreacting to this.
by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry must have been high
while making this move.
by illini23 on Jan 16, 2009 12:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand anyone being OK with Gathright but ambivalent towards this signing. Does it really matter what side of the plate a pinch runner/defensive sub bats from?
I like baseball.
by morgane on Jan 16, 2009 12:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The 2nd year in a row they sign
a guy to make Kosuke-san feel more at home.
Last year it was Mr. Zero, now this guy. I don’t see him on the 40-man, let alone the 25-man, that is unless there’s a “big trade” later on.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 16, 2009 7:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Utterly Pointless
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 16, 2009 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If they wanted another Japanese player
Why didnt they try and sign Uehara or Kawakami after the Peavy deal fell through
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 16, 2009 8:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because they don't have the coin to do so...
I’m not sure why so many of you fail to understand that Jim Hendry and the Cubs are tapped out at this point. That said, the addition fo So Taguchi is moronic.
by BLou on Jan 16, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not an "addition".
It’s a minor league deal; he’ll probably be released before spring training is up. Why are you treating this as such a big deal?
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by Al on Jan 16, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOUD NOISES!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get that this is a minor league deal.
But why are the Cubs obsessed with the idea that Fukudome needs a countryman? He’s a grown man who wanted to come play in America. He has a translator. Why does he need a pal.
If I had to guess, I bet Fukudome—if asked—doesn’t even care.
"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08
by Bildo1805 on Jan 16, 2009 9:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
actually, his translator
got fired. I don’t know if they have a new one yet.
Maybe Dome ASKED for a bunk-buddy. Who knows?
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by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would a platoon outfielder be able to request a signing?
"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08
by Bildo1805 on Jan 16, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cmon.
He’s not really a platoon outfielder. If he shows that he was able to adjust, Reed Johnson’s butt will hit the bench faster than a Kerry Wood fastball.
I find it very hard to believe that, given his contract and his situation, Dome isn’t getting a real chance here.
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by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
If Fukudome proves he can hit MLB pitching consistently, he’ll be the everyday CF. Reed Johnson is insurance against the possibility of an injury to Bradley and ineffectiveness of Fukudome.
by SouthernCub on Jan 16, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok.
Why would a player of Fukudome’s stature (however you want to define him) be able to request a signing?
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by Bildo1805 on Jan 16, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, not how you put it but...
maybe Hendry or someone else in mgmt had a little heart-to-heart talk with Dome at some point. During said conversation, maybe he asked Dome about the challenges he faced during the year, and maybe they brainstormed a little about how they could overcome those challenges – or at least make them less of a challenge. And maybe one thing that came out of it was Dome saying he while he enjoyed his teammates and playing for the Cubs, he missed some aspects of playing over in Japan and the camaraderie he had with his Japanese speaking teammates. Oh and maybe he said he enjoyed being able to hang out with Shingo during spring training last year.
Well, it wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that maybe another spring training bunk-buddy would help Dome start the year out right. Make it a low-risk signing, i.e. NRI, and some semblance of possibly helping the team should lightning strike, and voila! So Taguchi is signed.
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by ballhawk on Jan 16, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano is fluent in Japanese.
Lee speaks some too.
He’s had a year of bonding with the entire team.
This whole situation screams 1 of 2 things:
1. Fukudome is pretty weak.
2. The Cubs don’t understand that they don’t have to buy Fukudome friends.
"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08
by Bildo1805 on Jan 16, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or perhaps you don't have as much insight into the situation as you think you do
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jan 16, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, good one.
"Thank god I threw out my belt & shoelaces."-Bernies Mustache Wax on Evil BCB, 7/31/08
by Bildo1805 on Jan 16, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano speaks some Japanese...
… but hasn’t been there on a regular basis in over 10 years.
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by Al on Jan 16, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aha
But how could he ask for a bunk-buddy without having a translator?
What we have here my friend is a conundrum.
"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"
by cubs0505 on Jan 17, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What
is Japanese for “Bunk-Buddy”, anyways?
"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"
by cubs0505 on Jan 17, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno,
but maybe they could just rent these guys for a month.
"They say we live and learn. Often what we learn is what damn fools we have been." ~Thomas Sowell
by Goodie1969 on Jan 17, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Solid move to add roster depth at the OF position
If they trade Pie they’ll need a solid reserve OF option in the minors in the event of injury. Sam Fuld would be next on the depth chart (right?) and at least Taguchi can hit major league pitching, sort of.
by Wreckard on Jan 16, 2009 9:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Taguchi Is Still...
… with the team at the tail end of ST.
Earning a 40-man roster spot will be difficult with this Cubs team in 2009…
by initram on Jan 16, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
He could be this year’s Shingo Takatsu.
by Wreckard on Jan 16, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly who he is.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 16, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although I said that and now I'm second guessing that assessment
Did Shingo have a minor league contract or was he just a non-roster invite?
by Wreckard on Jan 16, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to have a minor league deal to get a NRI.
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by Al on Jan 16, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe all non-roster invitees
have to be minor league contracts. I would imagine this is for legal reasons.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 16, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
We could use someone similar to Taguchi for the left side of the infield as well. It’s not that Taguchi would play everyday in almost any circumstance. But you need depth because injuries happen.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Jan 16, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Love the thoughts on this move
It allows Piniella/Hendry & Co many options to pursue and improve the club between now and April.
Taguchi if he performs in ST is also a showcase and if he is not placed on the 40-man will be offered an opportunity to land with another club. My guess is that if more roster moves are not made he goes to AAA like Wade Wilson and is either called up by May or released.
But if moves are made it is a nice 24-25 man person to have.
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by Ivy Walls on Jan 16, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Outfield
So you think that the Cubs are going to consider going with 6 outfielders? Aaron Miles provides the flexibility that he can also play some outfield in a pinch. Gathright is going to make this team, followed by the four regulars.
With Rich Harden destined to only start 24 or so games, the Cubs are going to go with the extra reliever. 12 pitchers = 13 position players. The five outfielders, Lee, Fontenot, Theriot, Miles, Ramirez, and Soto brings the running total up to 23, There is going to be a back-up catcher… 24… That leaves one spot. It could go to Micah Hoffpauir, who would back-up Lee. It could go to Rich Aurilia, who would back up 1B and 3B. It could go to Cedeno, who can play any infield position. Or it could go to Taguchi…VERY unlikely.
Taguchi only makes his way to Wrigley if someone is hurt.
by dmlichte on Jan 16, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and therefore there is another significant move being worked on
One thing about Piniella is that he uses his bench, not just in spot roles and pens in a regular lineup daily—-he tinkers with a lineup sometimes for months driving fantasy leagues nuts but getting the most out of the margins.
He also plays game situations in the final third of the game when the outcome is in doubt.
Again when I look at the club’s current weaknesses middle infield jumps out as much as the RH hitting dominance did last year. Theriot played well last year but he is a BIG HOLE, defensively and good at OBP but he is not that good on the bases—-he is a platoon/utility player on the higher end.
Now if the Cubs make a move one is for a real SS….one who takes away an out or two each series the difference in range factor/zone rating with Theriot at the bottom and a player above the mean. I am saying that Miles offers the Cubs to go north with one less middle infielder especially if they have a real starting SS.
LAA’s Izturis is the type I am thinking about, inexpensive switch hitter, multiple positions/roles. This then allows the Cubs to carry 6 OF’ers, especially if they have Aurilia who can play 2B or SS in a pinch. Piniella loves the double switch…he basically can create a late game DH forcing the opposition to burn pitchers….and with switch hitters on the bench, Miles, Bradley (when seated) K Hill?, Izturis? he can work an opposing manager and still have capable fielders.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jan 16, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's also consider the possibility of an injury in ST.
Remember, last year Soriano fractured the tip of his finger catching a ball?
You just never know when on of those “Cubbie Occurrances” will happen.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 16, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we can get Maicer Izturis
then we have to do it.
I think LA, though, wants to move the overrated, over-priced Chone Figgins and I live in fear that Jim Hendry would actually want to get him.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Jan 16, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Figgins would be a useful utility player.
If he was used as a swingman on a National league team, his talent would be used in a more advantageous way.
Playing him every day at one position is where his warts come out.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 16, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I GOT IT!!!
This is a precursor to the Peavy deal! I’m guessing Taguchi was the missing piece Hendry needed to get this thing done.
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jan 16, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the Padres
want Pie AND Taguchi?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More than Kosuke
I believe the Cubs are seriously trying to become a favored team of the Japanese fan. The Mariners stink, and Ichiro will retire in a few years. Hideki Matsui is close to done in NY, and Igawa never saw the light of day. There is room for at least 2-3 MLB clubs to develop huge fan bases in Japan.
Inviting several Japanese players to Spring Training, giving them opportunities that they are not getting elsewhere, is a good will gesture. It can help in scouting and TV contracts. Yes, a lot hinges on whether Fukudome succeeds, but I think the Cubs are looking to the long term.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by zambranofan on Jan 16, 2009 9:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well said
I agree with the premise of looking at this as a long term financial move by incorporating the large Japanese fanbase into Cubdome. At the same time it makes sense to bring on a veteran ball player who still has decent tools.
As far as Taguchi being asked to come to ST simply because he could be a buddy for Fukudome, hey whats wrong with that. There was a comment earlier that said something about there being a large Japanese press contingent there and that they could fill the role of helping to keep Dome comfortable, well I disagree with that thought – they won’t be on the field and they are not ballplayers,
This was a good idea to bring Taguchi on board.
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Jan 16, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The I-55 shuttle continues
Mabry, Edmonds, Miles, Taguchi…
I’m telling you, Eckstein will be here before July.
I’m sure Rolen is still kicking around somewhere too.
Just so long as we stay away from the pitchers that LaRussa and Duncan put through the meat grinder.
The worst beer I had was pretty good.
by Worf on Jan 16, 2009 9:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can we get Pujols off waivers?
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jan 16, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
Proven talent only, please.
make*art
by neverAcquiesce on Jan 16, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What, and block Hoffpauir?!?
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Jan 16, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heavens forfend...
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on Jan 16, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't get a lot of "forfend" these days...
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jan 16, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
offseason
boy the cubs are really tearing it up this winter.what a difference from a couple of years ago when we were spending it like drunken sailors
by NOMAR on Jan 17, 2009 4:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If we really want to help Dome
How bout signing a drunken Japanese for a year
For a friendship that will cost less than $900,000
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Jan 17, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This entire thread
seems to border on outright racism.
Why do we have to believe that Taguchi was signed simply because he is Japanese?
The saving grace of it is when looked at as a marketing strategy, I guess.
"I lof to hit de home ron!"
by Tekboy on Jan 18, 2009 12:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh for Heaven's sake.
Because the possibility exists that one of the reasons the Cubs are taking a flier on Taguchi is in order to make one of their bigger investments feel more at home and hopefully, in turn, become more productive, you leap to racism? Aye caramba, man. That seems to be a bit of a stretch.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jan 18, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dood, Dude, Duuuuuuuu-de?
Are you serious?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Jan 19, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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