Saturday Afternoon Cubs Convention Update
The overwhelming impression I have as the 24th Cubs Convention (and where did those 24 years go, anyway?) winds down is: this event has outgrown its location.
I'm not sure exactly how many passes/tickets/whatever you want to call them they sell -- and the prices of these have gone up faster than game tickets; they were $20 until just a few years ago, and are now $60 for individuals who don't stay at the hotel -- I had heard years ago that it's about 15,000, but it could be somewhat more or less than that.
The problem is that the Chicago Hilton & Towers isn't really designed to hold this many people roaming around its halls, many of them somewhat aimlessly, for an entire weekend. The Hilton probably loves the business -- as a downtown hotel in a major city, it's probably fairly dead on the weekends unless there's a major event -- but it's a hotel, not a convention space, even though they do have exhibit space and meeting rooms.
The results are: overcrowded rooms for the more popular sessions, while the less-crowded ones get shunted off into corners (a conditioning clinic hosted by strength and conditioning coordinator Tim Buss got shoehorned into half of a ballroom that also had kids' play slides). There aren't enough places to eat, even if it were just hotel guests; there's a buffet/restaurant at one end of the building and Kitty O'Shea's bar at the other end. And that's it. That results in long lines to get anything to eat, and your other alternatives are either closed at 7 pm (ballpark food in the exhibit area) or a pizza stand next to the elevators, which also has long lines.
In the interview I did with Crane Kenney last month, he suggested that he may agree with me:
CK: My goals are, when you look at the Wrigley campus and you look at the opportunities to build a baseball marketplace that has assets outside of the ballpark itself, that is one big part of our future and it provides amenities for the fans, facilities for the players, a number of opportunities for us on the business development side that don’t exist today. Imagine convention space where some of our sponsors and business clients could hold a meeting, have a restaurant, parking that works and then take in a game.
BCB: Would you consider having the Cubs Convention at a place like that rather than downtown?
CK: Absolutely.
And so, sometime in the future after new ownership takes over and the triangle building west of the park is constructed, you might see the convention actually moved to Wrigley Field. In the meantime, the Cubs could consider having it at the Rosemont Convention Center, which is near a number of hotels and has much larger space.
Kenney's comments there mirror some of the comments he made in the session this morning about planning for the future. Many of the things he's said are long term plans, particularly for the future of the ballpark, and it may very well be that whoever the new owner is might keep Kenney as team president. That'd be fine with me -- since Kenney took over after Andy MacPhail was forced out, the team has spent where necessary, made moves to improve both on and off the field, and Kenney has said several times he wants to emulate the Red Sox' success.
I think we'd all take two World Series titles in four years.
During the morning session, Kenney apologized for the "priest in the dugout" incident, and took full responsibility. He said it originated from the priest, who emailed him, and he agreed to do it, never realizing the media coverage it would get. I don't think we'll see him doing anything like that again. Kenney also repeated the annoucement yesterday that he expects a new owner in place by Opening Day, that Bud Selig has assured him that the owners' Executive Committee has already started the process of vetting the three remaining groups, so that things can be expedited and those long-term plans can be put into place.
He also noted that the economy is affecting almost every team, even the Yankees. This surprised me and most in the room, but he explained that the Yankees had been having trouble selling some of their suites (even hiring a real-estate firm to help) and so thought they needed to make a splash with all the signings they made, in order to drum up desire for those suites after they missed the playoffs. Other teams have been affected, as teams like the Diamondbacks have had layoffs.
About Sam Zell, Kenney said Zell has been a "great" owner, never hesitating to approve many of Kenney's requests even when they weren't specifically related to performance, as when Kenney asked for $2 million to re-do the field before 2008. He did say Zell expects results and expects people who work for him to be available when he needs them; he related a story where Zell called him once while Kenney was at the airport baggage claim in Phoenix and couldn't really talk, and Zell demanded to know why he wasn't available, with some "colorful" language. That brought laughter.
Lou Piniella wasn't at the session; he's been ill and apparently wanted to rest, so many of the questions intended for Lou went to Jim Hendry (and some to assistant GM Randy Bush). I decided to ask the Rich Hill question that was posted in yesterday's thread, and Hendry was pretty blunt, actually, pretty much stating that Hill had not shown good stuff all year, nor in winter ball, compared that to some of his struggles in the earlier part of his career, and while he didn't say so specifically, I got the clear impression that Hendry will be trying hard to move Hill before spring training begins.
Both Hendry and Kenney spoke about Milton Bradley; Hendry expects Bradley to be ready to play 130-135 games, but hopes he can play 150. Kenney said Bradley chose the Cubs, they didn't chose him, Bradley was the pursuer and didn't really want to play anywhere else, and left "more" money on the table from other teams. For his part, Bradley has acknowledged his past mistakes and says he has "matured". I hope that's the truth, because there is no question that when he is healthy and focused, Bradley is one of the top hitters in the game. I look forward to seeing that -- regardless of what you may think I think about him, he's a Cub now and I'm rooting for him to succeed.
About Jake Peavy, Hendry wouldn't address that specifically, citing MLB's tampering rules, and that was wise of him. He did repeat the oft-quoted mantra that "we're keeping an eye on pitching to possibly acquire someone", but that could be Peavy, or someone minor. We just don't know, and for those of you who try to read the tea leaves every time you see Peavy's name mentioned in an online post from the traditional media, that's really nothing more than guessing.
Thanks to Jessica, who was the very last questioner, for asking Hendry to clarify what happened with Kerry Wood. Hendry repeated how much he respects and loves Wood -- said they started with the organization the same year, 1995 -- and that Wood's agent came and asked for a three-year deal; Hendry said that he didn't want to do so because "he's missed 62% of the games the last four years", and even so, Hendry always brought him back, until now. He said a one-year deal was never discussed.
That said, Hendry also said Wood is always welcome back. He didn't say whether that would be as a player after his Cleveland deal expires, or after his career is over. I'll miss Wood and I still feel the Cubs may have been a better baseball team with Carlos Marmol setting up Wood than with Kevin Gregg setting up Marmol, but we will see. I hope for the best for Gregg; Hendry said the Cubs love his arm (that's standard for Hendry, who's a "tools" guy), and they felt that Jose Ceda was "a ways away" from being able to help a major league team, that the Cubs are, as they have been the last two years, in "win now" mode, and that's why they made that deal.
Assistant GM Randy Bush was asked who he's most excited about in the system. Hesitant at first, he cited Mitch Atkins, who would probably be the first man recalled from Iowa to start in case of injury, and also Welington Castillo and Darwin Barney. When asked if Jeff Samardzija would start, he demurred, saying "Lou and Larry will decide."
Bush also made some interesting comments about Carlos Zambrano, when asked who the "shutdown" pitcher in the playoffs would be (as Cole Hamels was for the Phillies last year, as Josh Beckett was for the Red Sox the year before and for the Marlins in 2003). He said Z could be that kind of pitcher, but needs to step up. He acknowledged that you do need that kind of guy in the postseason and that Z "needs to embrace that challenge". That would have normally been a question for Lou, but Bush seems qualified to respond, since he played for two World Series winners in Minnesota. However, Jim Hendry added that you "can't build a team differently for the postseason", reminding everyone that you can go 0-for-9 in midseason and no one really notices because you can get 600 AB to make up for it, but if you do so in October, it all gets magnified. They simply want to go in better prepared and "better balanced", as he put it, to "keep building and getting better by tweaking; there's no need to overhaul".
And, he did mention that after they lost the first game, they may have wanted to win so badly that they "tried too hard" to fix it in game two. I think you could see that by the defensive lapses, made by players who rarely do those sorts of things.
The one thing I was a bit disappointed in during the baseball management session was that there were two hosts, WGN radio's Dave Eanet and John Williams. This meant, since two radio guys were there and both wanted to talk, that fewer fans got to ask questions. There were still several people waiting in line when they cut off questions. Frankly, there was no real reason for John Williams to be there at all -- he's got no real connection to the Cubs except that they're both on WGN radio. Dave Eanet, the sports guy, would have been enough.
I also sat in on a session discussing new media, in which, among other things, Jeff Samardzija spoke about his own blog, and the challenges in keeping it updated. They also mentioned Vine Line's blog, the Cubs' in-house effort at blogging. That's also where I ran into Jim McArdle, whose book "Living The Dream" will be out sometime before Opening Day. (You're welcome for the plug, Jim.)
I did take some photos but forgot to bring the cable that connects the camera to my laptop. So for those, you will have to wait till tomorrow. (And if anyone here will be attending the Business Management session at 9 am Sunday, feel free to post details, as I have to be at work at that hour.)
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I've never been to this event, so I dunno how it goes...
…but who were the players there? From what you wrote it sounds like Jeff SpellCheck was the biggest name available to speak with?
I’m not gonna beat a dead horse, but considering the most GameBoard has played in a season is 141 games, 130-150 would seem like a blessing.
It is good to see Carlos called out. The guy should be embracing the challenge of being the shutdown leader in the staff. Hopefully he’s matured a bit and can accept this role.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on Jan 17, 2009 5:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what you mean by "speak with".
There were other sessions with some of the current players; due to time conflicts and/or the desire to eat some real food, I wasn’t able to go to those.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 17, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most interesting comment is Wood
I think it’s clear that one of them hasn’t been completely forthcoming in their comments. If indeed they only gave Hendry a 3 year offer then I agree you have to let Wood go. If, on the other hand, it’s Hendry that is not being completely honest and Wood did indeed offer to work for a 1 year contract then I said what I said before, that for one year of Wood you find a way to make it work.
by Luis on Jan 17, 2009 5:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was waiting on some Wood clarification
I really dont think Hendry is lying here. Even if Wood had taken a 1yr deal it would have been for at least 10 million. He nor any other closer is worth that IMO. thanks much for the recap Al. Much appreciated.
I dont care who the new owner is as long as he/she/them come equipped with a Jake Peavy and a Joe Beimel!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jan 17, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd pay 10 million for
Rivera in his prime. That kind consistent greatness if worth that and perhaps more.
The interesting thing with Wood is the years, because his comments gave the impression that he was willing to do a 1 year deal whereas Hendry’s are completely different.
by Luis on Jan 17, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
We don’t know what Wood would have settled for on a one year deal, because it was never discussed.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 17, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Miles answered this in the "Caravan kicks off" thread
I rec’d his answer there.
He said
When Wood signed with the Indians, they had teleconference. I asked him specifically if a one-year deal were feasible with the Cubs. He said no. I think he got badgered so much in his exit interview with the media that after about the 10th time, he finally said, that theoretically speaking, he’d take a one year. But it was never going to happen.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Jan 17, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ahhhh
That makes everything a lot more clear now. Thanks for the info.
by Luis on Jan 17, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the juxipose between baseball as a business and baseball as a pastime
Wood and Hendry were looking at this as a business proposition and we are looking at the Wood situation like fans.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jan 18, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And throw in agents and arbitrators and it is easy for messages and intentions...
…to be lost in translation.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Jan 18, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
This certainly puts a different spin on poor, martyred St. Woody.
Three years?
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass. Or worse, the elbow.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jan 17, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So will all the Hendry bashers
realize that he didn’t send away poor Kerry Wood who was on his knees begging to stay in Chicago for a pittance just to remain the face of the franchise?
by rlpete on Jan 18, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for the update
I gather that the “lovefest” was in full swing and nobody took anybody else to task.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jan 17, 2009 6:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Over what, specifically?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 17, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa and Eyre
My two peeves.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jan 17, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one mentioned Eyre, since Lou wasn't at the session I attended...
… and that was mostly Lou’s doing, not Hendry’s.
I know some questions were asked about DeRo (Hendry said when he traded him he knew “every girl in town would be upset”), but I can’t find anything in my notes about it. Sorry.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 17, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks again Al
Eyre is all on Lou, no question. I would like to hear a real explanation from him one day.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jan 17, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry pretty much said
That DeRo was gone because they wanted another lefty. Again since Lou was not there we never got anything on
Eyre and the 2nd part of my question re Wood as to what if any imput Lou had was never answered.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jan 18, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ughh...
I hung around enough sessions today to at least confirm that it was no lovefest. The general tone was hopeful, but there were pointed questions asked, with fans taking a very critical look at this team, and the moves that created it.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 17, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for the perspective
n/t
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jan 17, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Al: thanks for the detailed update!
It gives me something to do besides enjoying the 80 degree weather in LA this weekend.
…but I do miss the great people in Chicago!
"When you are in a hole, stop digging." - anon.
by LAcarl519 on Jan 17, 2009 6:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Must be rough...
…must be real rough…
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jan 17, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side of things
we here in Illinois may be freezing our asses off, but we will likely see our governor soon removed from office. Betcha wish you could say that…
"They say we live and learn. Often what we learn is what damn fools we have been." ~Thomas Sowell
by Goodie1969 on Jan 18, 2009 7:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Al
for asking my Hill question. That’s more info than I actually expected.
I saw something in the Sun-Times that Pie might be traded next week. Any Felix talk today?
by elgato on Jan 17, 2009 6:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, none.
If I had time to ask more than one question, I might have done that one, too.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 18, 2009 4:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another good update
Thanks for reporting for those of us who would love to be there but can’t.
I wonder what the Cubs could get for Hill and Pie…I’m guessing not much without taking on soemone elses salary dump. I think Pie probably still has a chance to at least be a major league player if not a starter, Hill seems to be a real headcase and going to have to have some kind of serious coaching to turn him around.
I DO expect there will be more pitching acquired before spring training, whether its anyone to get excited about is anybody’s guess.
by jeff_pico on Jan 17, 2009 6:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
FORGET ABOUT PEAVY ALREADY!
…he ain’t coming to Chicago. Which makes the DeRosa trade all that much more rediculous. Three low-value plyers that if not turned around for someone else was just a waste. The Cubs don’t have the team to win in the playoffs because they don’t have an ace pitcher. Z is not that guy nor will he ever be IMO. Two of the guys they moved this offseason were two of the guys I’d most want in the foxhole with me and instead they pick up players like Gregg and Bradley who have never been in the playoffs. D’oh!
by rememberthecoop on Jan 17, 2009 6:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If I recall correctly
DeRosa, the one you want in your “foxhole,” was the guy that booted a double play ball in game 2 of the playoff series. That was the start that Carlos Zambrano was pitching quite well until his defense fell apart behind him. The past two seasons Z was the only guy that actually showed up and did his job in the playoffs.
Just for the sake of accuracy, Milton Bradley was actually in the playoffs with Oakland and LA, in 06 and 04, not that it would change your mind about him. I’m not sure if you are aware of this but he was probably the best hitter in the AL last season leading in OBP and OPS.
I’m also not sure why you would want us to forget about Peavy, after all he’s one of the best pitchers in the game. He won a Cy Young in 07 and the Cubs are one team that he’s wiling to waive his no trade clause for. If San Diego still has to cut their budget, they can’t afford to keep him. Chances are if they move him, he’s coming to Chicago.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jan 17, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember what?
Your man love for a good character versatile player who probably had a career year power wise is commendable but he is not the person who will win the division, win the playoff series and get the Cubs into the WS
talent will,
good management will
good seasons will
I still see Hendry & Co. putting the organization to make a play at a serious talented player (Peavy) not unlike how Hendry got DLee from the Marlins for Choi.
Peavy would add greatly to a very good rotation and make this club a true blue chip contender that will make them the favorite, that is all he can do right now, amass a stable of talent.
To me Fontenot will play 2B most of the time and the comment about Theriot’s baserunning prowess (of lack there of—-meaning recognition not tools) tells me that Miles will be looked at for SS and allowing the Cubs to go into the season with 3 middle infielders and situational platooning with all three.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jan 18, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance the Cubs would rather try and sneak Hill through waivers to a minor league assignment?
I don’t expect him to have any trade value while he’s out of options.
The author of this post is not a certified scout, doctor, agent, statistician, manager, or journalist, nor was he ever a very good player, though he tried very hard to be like Ryne Sandberg and was about as scrappy as it gets (in T-ball). Any opinion expressed above should in no way be confused with fact, truth, or reality and is hereby qualified in the following ways: 1) The author does not know as much about baseball as Lou Piniella. 2) The author does not know as much about baseball as Jim Hendry. 3) The author does not know as much about baseball as either Dusty or Darren Baker.
by DGU on Jan 17, 2009 6:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Young lefty,
with some success in the majors. Not likely.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 17, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
someone will sit on the sidelines and take a flyer on him
a team with serious financial issues.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jan 18, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I found it interesting that Kenny talked about a total makeover of
The Friendly Confines Cafe. It sounds as if this is going to turn into a really nice sports bar/beer garden. Kenny said there is no point in letting the neighborhood bars have all of the fun. Later I saw Kenny and asked him about it. He said on game days you would need a ticket to get in and on off days it would be a bar to rival the other local bars. He said they would try to get the players and even Lou to frequent the place after the game.
Dallas Green!
by SonnyJ9 on Jan 17, 2009 6:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that seems like a horrible idea
mixing the players, alcohol and fans in the same building? we dont need any Plaxicos on this team
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 17, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's killing me
I just moved to Chicago (a week ago today) and I happened to move to the corner of 8th and State. Today my girlfriend mentioned, “you know the Cubs convention is in that building right there?” and pointed down the street. I’m so close, but no ticket and no time with all the boxes to unpack!
I might sneak down there some time tomorrow, just to check it out. Anyone got a one day ticket they are looking to give up?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jan 17, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else who attended today?
Did anyone see the Cubs Movie preview?
How did the WGN TV Session go?
And what inappropriate information did Theriot decide to share this year in the “Not Only for Women” session?
by ak123 on Jan 17, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Z in the playoffs
I think we all remember how great he was in his one start against the Dbacks in 07, and despite the flameout this year, his one start was still a quality start-so his last 2 postseason starts: 12.1 IP, 15Ks, 4ER, 10Hs surredered and 3 BBs…..so not bad at all
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 17, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Go back even further to '03
I have no problems putting the big game in Z’s hands
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jan 17, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well his 03 numbers werent as good
but he was a lot younger than….i dont know why they would doubt him in the big games, the team only scored 4 runs in his last 2 post season starts, so he shouldnt be the scape goat.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 17, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Z pitched fine in 2008
The defense let him down.
by elgato on Jan 17, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding...
i’m shocked at the general tone of how Z has performed in the playoffs….
he’s been fine in recent years
in ’07 the manager let him down conserving him for a game that was never played
and in ’08 the defense let him down, asking any pitcher to get 6 or 7 outs in one inning without giving up runs is an unreasonable request
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 18, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A Couple of Other Random Observations
I wound up spending much of my time wandering around and at the equipment auction so missed many of the sessions, but the later Crane Kenney breakout panel wound up as essentially a preview of the usual Sunday morning panel. I wasn’t taking notes, but Crane mentioned in particular how much enjoyed visiting Al in the bleachers. (No, seriously. By name.) This came in the context of talking again about the “uniqueness” of the ballpark, which led to a couple of good stories.
First, Kenney told another Zell story. Zell is “not a baseball fan” and even though he had/has a small ownership stake in the White Sox, the only game he has attended there was during the World Series. And he left early. When Kenney finally got him to visit Wrigley, he started asking him later in the game if he wanted to leave so he could make the arrangements – but Sam kept wanting to hang around. Ergo, the “specialness” of Wrigley – which apparently Zell saw as “America” – something very real, and very authentic unlike anything anywhere else. As Kenney told it, that uniqueness also brought the Winter Classic to Wrigley. The NHL apparently first told them that they were firmly set on doing this year’s game in Yankee Stadium for the last year of that park, but that site visits by NHL executives changed their mind to put them ahead of the Yankees. (Now, bear in mind that there were also reports that Yankee Stadium simply didn’t work out, so believe what you want.) Kenney felt like the star of the game wasn’t the teams, but the ballpark.
Many of the usual questions got the usual answers, although I thought they were dealt with in a reasonably straightforward and honest manner. A couple of nuggets – the season ticket waiting list just hit 100,000 people. And Kenney also said that they had affirmatively decided not to stop flying the L flag, because it is part of the Wrigley tradition.
As far as the overall crowds go at the convention, the only thing that saves the Hilton from being a complete madhouse is that it seems like 50% of the people are willing to spend most of their days waiting in huge lines to get one or two autographs. That’s OK by me, because it keeps the rest of the place relatively clear for those who don’t value the autographs as highly. The movie preview session was the only panel I wanted to attend but wasn’t able to because of the crowds, although there seemed to be many particularly good ones this year.
As for the locker room sale, you were in good shape if you 1) wanted Theriot or DeRosa stuff or 2) were willing to bid $1000 for Fukudome gear on behalf of Japanese interests (and I thought it would be cheaper because of his performance). I did, however, succeed in finally picking up a Henry Blanco jersey off the rack (just in time – although it is clear to me that the legend of Hank White will continue to be relevant in the future) and Wendell Kim’s nameplate. I was also very pleased to get the lineup card for NLCS Game 2 at Wrigley – which I consider to be one of the most crushing defeats in Cub history and really wanted both for that history and as a lasting reminder that nothing should ever be taken for granted. There didn’t seem to be much other interest for it, though!
Al, because I already heard Kenney today I’m probably going to skip the morning session tomorrow if I can change my flight. But if I’m there I’ll try to write it up.
by 08Cubs on Jan 17, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
great recaps Al and 08Cubs, thanks!
New sig currently under construction
by JB 23 on Jan 17, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, your random observations sure are LONG!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 17, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Have Three More
First , forgot to pass on a story from Reed Johnson, via Kenney. Johnson came over in the spring so has never done the convention before. He was really surprised to get on the plane in Las Vegas and find a bunch of people in Cubs jerseys. Paraphrasing Kenney, he was wondering if that many people were going to the convention, or were just there by coincidence. Making conversation, they told him they were indeed going to the convention, despite the -16 weather. “We wouldn’t miss it.”
Second, Kenney talked just a little bit about how deeply he and the organization had felt the playoff loss – to the point that he sent an email around afterward that said “I’ll understand if not very much gets done for the next few days.”
Third, he strongly defended Lou – said that he could name one person who had questioned the performance of the manager, and that was the manager. He said Lou is in his sixties and certainly doesn’t need the job, but wants it as bad as anyone.
by 08Cubs on Jan 17, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for filling in the details on the sessions I missed.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 18, 2009 4:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenney
I really like this guy and hope the new owner keeps him around. He seems to be the ideal team President in that he lets Hendry run the baseball show and he takes care of everything else.
Barbara V. October 14, 1941 - December 19, 2008. A great lady who was a friend to all and like a second mom to her children's friends (she was my best friend's mom)
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jan 18, 2009 7:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
That would be NLDS, of course – not NLCS.
by 08Cubs on Jan 17, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
08, lemme know if you ever tire of that lineup card from NLDS game 2 - I'm sure we could work something out.
I agree – it was a crushing defeat. but it was the first Cubs playoff game that me and my wife saw. We had just gotten married the weekend before, had the reception at Wrigley Field, and received tickets to game 2 as a wedding present. Needless to say, the outcome was not what we had hoped for, but it was significant nonetheless.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jan 18, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great tale!
First, Kenney told another Zell story. Zell is "not a baseball fan" and even though he had/has a small ownership stake in the White Sox, the only game he has attended there was during the World Series. And he left early. When Kenney finally got him to visit Wrigley, he started asking him later in the game if he wanted to leave so he could make the arrangements – but Sam kept wanting to hang around. Ergo, the "specialness" of Wrigley – which apparently Zell saw as "America" – something very real, and very authentic unlike anything anywhere else.
No doubt it appeals to many Cubbie fans for a variety of reasons. No doubt it was fabricated and/or embellished just for that reason.
COUGH BS COUGH
by DrCrawdad on Jan 18, 2009 8:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HAH! That coming from a ...
… bitter, jealous Cubbie fan
by DrCrawdad on Jan 18, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You got one part
of that right. I am a Cubs fan.
by sue369 on Jan 18, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The smell test...
You honestly believe that tale entirely?
You don’t think Kenney wasn’t playing to the audience [who revel in digs at the Sox and love to puff their chests with smug, “we’re better than…” comments (hence your comment)]?
There is a strong scent buff feces in that Kenney tale. And Crane Kenney needs to wipe that Sam Zell’s poop off his nose.
by DrCrawdad on Jan 18, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BS?
Prove it. Kenney has been nothing but honest with me and in his dealings with the media and fans.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 18, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fables of the reconstruction...
You don’t think that comment was playing to the audience, an audience who love digs at the Sox. An audience who revels in “we’re so much better than them.” That’s not to overlook the brown-nosing, apple polishing nature of the comment too.
I’ll see if Scott Reifert is willing to address that strain by Kenney.
It would be interesting to see if Sam Zell would support that story or if there were any evidence to support Kenney’s tale.
by DrCrawdad on Jan 18, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go ahead and ask Reifert...
… but I’ll bet it’s true. People don’t spend time at the Cubs convention bashing the Sox, believe it or not.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 18, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shot heard round the ...
So, you don’t think the Kenney comment was shot at the Sox?
by DrCrawdad on Jan 18, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I think it was a positive comment about Zell.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 18, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenney was trying to show that he had....
… convinced Zell of what the Cubs and Wrigley meant. He was using the example of Zell not going to any Sox games till the WS, even though he was an investor, to show that Zell didn’t care about baseball.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 18, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More fables...
… you never hear Cubbie fans bashing the Sox, nor do they sell anti-Sox stuff outside Wrigley and Cubbie fans don’t care about the Sox…
On the other hand, in the past I’ve heard Dave Kaplan’s radio show from Cubbie Convention and he’s spent quite a bit of time taking shots at the Sox.
by DrCrawdad on Jan 18, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say that, did I?
I haven’t heard Kaplan doing that. If you have specific cites, let’s hear ’em.
And incidentally, they do plenty of the same on the South Side, too.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 18, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny's comments
Kenny’s comments didn’t seem to be a swipe at the Sox but I suppose they play into their fans’ inferiority complex.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jan 18, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well stated and concluded.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Jan 18, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yahoos walking around with
T-shirts on a stick, who are just trying to make a buck. That’s pretty much who are selling those kinda shirts. I wouldn’t even be surprised to learn that those kinda guys aren’t even fans of either team. Moreover, out of all the time I spend standing in line to get into the bleachers, I rarely ever see those guys get any types of “bites” on those type of shirts.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jan 18, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a Knock on the Sox
It absolutely was not intended as a knock on the Sox – that really was just a quick aside and he didn’t dwell on it or play it up at all. It was a positive comment in the context of a larger discussion about the “special qualities” of Wrigley.
by 08Cubs on Jan 18, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Zell, Zell, Zell...
I am told that Sam Zell IS a Sox fan, that he was known to wear a Sox hat around and that Sam Zell has attended many Sox games in the past.
When did this mythical tale of Zell’s being enchanted by the charms of Wrigley Field take place, before or after he said he was in favor of selling naming rights?
by DrCrawdad on Jan 18, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well here's some...
I have two different people with seemingly credible reports about Zell attending Sox games.
A former boss of mine was acquaintances with Sam Zell. He would frequently go to parties that Zell would host at his condo in the city. It is my understanding he has a floor in the condo units that are above the Park Hyatt.
My old boss was a HUGE baseball fan, not so much of a team but specific players from his childhood. Knowing that I was a Sox fan, my boss would pass along interesting pieces of information here and there. My boss said that he occasionally would go to Sox games with Sam Zell. So I would assume this story not to be true. But realistically, someone who is as busy as Sam Zell would probably not have much free time for baseball. - link to source
The second source is someone who works for Zell. In correspondence with this person he said that he knows for a certainty that Zell has season tickets (not a surprise since he’s a minority share owner) but that he also wore a Sox hat and certainly attended Sox games. The person shared this information with me with the promise that I wouldn’t reveal his name nor the name of the particular company where he works.
Outside of those two “witnesses” testimony, does it really make sense that Zell – a native Chicagoan, a part owner of the Sox (for what 20 years) only attended one Sox game? In all those years, in all the business he’s done in Chicago he never entertained friends, family or clients at the team that he partly owned?
by DrCrawdad on Jan 19, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
L flag
I was the one that asked that question. After the session was over, I asked about the softball jerseys. Those aren’t going away, but the road hats are.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jan 18, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The blue jerseys that Z likes.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 19, 2009 4:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Better downtown location
Its been a few years since I was at the Cubs convention but what always has been frustrating to me was the overall layout. I always had a hard time getting around the place. I wonder, though, if a better downtown location wouldn’t be the Sheraton. The professional association that I am a member of has had their conference in Chicago twice in the last decade or so. They did it at the Hilton, though I was not at that conference. Three years ago it was at the Sheraton, and the overall layout and flow was fantastic. I am not sure what the total capacity is there.
Thanfully this year our conference, which is in mid February, will be in Orlando. Maybe not tropical, but it will be warmer than Chicago.
by dmlichte on Jan 17, 2009 8:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Hyatt Regency might also work...
… it’s also downtown, with a more central location, and much larger. The White Sox used to have their fanfest there, before they moved it to the Palmer House. I have heard from Sox fan friends of mine that they hate the new location; it’s crowded and hard to maneuver, just like the Hilton.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 18, 2009 4:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rosemont Convention Center
Rosemont Convention Center. My mom owns a store in a national chain and they had their big convention there a few years ago. It’s ideal for this. I love the Hilton but the Cubs convention has outgrown it.
I didn’t go this year in fact I just got home from my trip to Pittsburgh but I know the Hilton like the back of my hand and I had trouble getting around. (worked there about 15 years ago and have been to oodles of events).
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Jan 18, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And besides
And besides I have a selfish reason for it living in Park Ridge.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Jan 18, 2009 7:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is precicely why I think the majority of customers...
…would prefer a location downtown.
"Just win tonight" - derv
by derv on Jan 18, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The first few years
The first few years of the convention it was at the Hyatt Regency. They moved to the Hilton in 1991 or 1992.
The Hyatt was better,
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Jan 18, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Audio is now available on WGN Radio's website
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 17, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just beat me to it
Check out youtube as well as WGN should post some things on thre as well.
by ak123 on Jan 17, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Weird
Al did they get rid of the fancy restaurant I believe called the Buckingham for good? We had a traditional prime rib dinner there every year on Friday night.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Jan 18, 2009 7:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess so, because there's no restaurant by that name.
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by Al on Jan 18, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
It was a fancy restaurant off the lobby very well appointed. They had a prime rib dinner for about 25 every year we’d relax and go over stuff after bingo.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Jan 18, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about McCormick Place?
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by ronsanto10 on Jan 18, 2009 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That'd work, too.
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by Al on Jan 18, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendy
I do think Hendry has done about as good as job as possible…. but Kevin Gregg is not in the same league as Wood, I disagree with Hendry on this. I watched him at the end of the season and he had mediocre stuff at best, maybe early in the season he is solid, but he stuff looked flat when I watched him..
Also we need to replace Edmonds off the bench production…And D Lee needs more rest… Hopefully Hoffpauir can fill both of those rolls… I wouldnt resign Edmonds either, we caught lighting in a bottle with him last year..
If we get Peavy this will be a better team than the one that finished the season last year, but without him, I think living up to last years team may be a bit harder than expected
LouPrules
by LouPrules on Jan 18, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gregg not replacing Wood
Gregg is going to be used in a set-up role like Howry and Marmol were last year and his numbers weren’t that much below Wood’s anyway. He isn’t replacing Wood, Marmol is going to be the closer. Marmol and Gregg are much cheaper than Wood at $10MM per year not to mention injury risk. Hendry mentioned that Wood has missed 62% of the Cubs games the past 4 seasons. Has everyone around here forgotten his injury history? He missed a prolonged period of time in the middle of the season with a blister in case you missed it. Due to payroll restrictions and needing to pick up another bat it was the wise choice for Hendry to let Wood go. I personally would rather have Milton Bradley getting that money than Wood.
Edmonds is not being replaced by bench production he is being replaced by Bradley. That is a major upgrade, Bradley was the leader in OBP and OPS in the AL last season and Edmonds may not even be picked up by anyone before the start of the season. Hendry was extremely smart to not count on an aging and probably done Edmonds to come back and repeat his performance from last season. Too many times in the past the Cubs have held onto an aging player too long, remember Gary Gaetti?
I would like to see them pickup Peavy also but this team is still good enough to win the division without him. He’s obviously a great pitcher and I would love to see him added as it only makes sense to make your team as strong as possible. Hendry has really done an excellent job this off season in addressing needs like more lefties in the lineup and he has done so under difficult ownership circumstances.
i also give Hendry credit for re-signing Dempster to a reasonable contract when you see guys like AJ Burnett and Derek Lowe getting much bigger deals and probably won’t be that much better than Demp.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jan 18, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To me Bradley replaced DeRossa…. ( Edmonds was not brought here to be a starter )There are upside to both players..DeRossa is more versitile can play infield and outfield … Bradley faster , a bit more power.
I did not disagrre with the Cubs replacing Wood. But there is no way Gregg has the same stuff that Kerry has .. I also envisioned Wood as a setup man for the closer, however he could close if called upon. I just think Gregg is a poor substitute for Wood… Marmol has great stuff, but he does scare me a bit with his hot and cold control…. Wood would be a better closer if he had to step in that role than Gregg… Im just saying Gregg will be easy to replace… Kerry will not
Edmonds was not brought here last year as a starter, but as a bench player sometimes starter… I also stated that we shouldnt resign him…. I think he is done… but he did give us a lot of production last year.
LouPrules
by LouPrules on Jan 18, 2009 12:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot
Cubs Assistant GM, Randy Bush, said this morning that they felt letting DeRosa go would get Fontenot, a lefty, more at bats. They thought that by replacing DeRo with Fonte they were making their lineup more balanced. Adding switch hitters like Miles and Bradley also helps make them more balanced offensively. Overall the lineup we have right now is projected to score between 5.2 and 5.6 runs per game which should be plenty. Of course that depends on players staying healthy and playing up to their potential. I also believe Hendry is still going to add another righty bat off the bench. A guy like Ty Wigginton would be a nice piece to add as he backs up at all 4 corner positions.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jan 18, 2009 2:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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