Buster Olney Tears Us a New One
He's not too fond of Hendrys recent moves
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His summary of the division is more optimistic.
But “the Pirates are reloading”? Buster, Buster, Buster…USC reloads, the Pirates reboot.
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by Goodie1969 on Jan 2, 2009 12:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll have to worry more about the Reds than Pittsburgh
But I suspect it’ll be CHC and Houston again, unless Milwaukee can get some pitching help
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 2, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't rule out St Louis...
If Carpenter gets right, that’s a team that always scares me. They tend to outperform expectations.
by SouthernCub on Jan 2, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Always.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jan 2, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Cubs have sufficiently crippled the Cardinals
now that they stole Aaron Miles from St. Louis.
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by Trey2317 on Jan 2, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Side note, my 2 cents on the NL Central
Outside of the Cubs.
I think bringing up the rear is Pittsburgh. I think Huntington has them going in the right direction, but they need some more pitching and they need McCutchen and Alvarez to come through. That’ll take time.
The rest, though, is a mix. I do think the Cubs are the clear favorites entering the year.
After that, as of right now, I like
2) Milwaukee – I buy Gallardo and Parra. They need another mid-rotation starter to allow Bush/Suppan to bring up the rear, and they need a pen arm or two. But they have the system, even despite the losses to make moves … provided that Yovani and Manny come through. Who knows, maybe it comes internally. Yes, Jeffress has a checkered past, but if he keeps his head on straight, he could be a huge asset.
3) St. Louis Cardinals – I could easily pick them two. One of the more underrated systems out there, they have two bats that could help them soon in Brett Wallace and Colby Rasmus, along with a bevy of decent talent. They might need another arm in the pen, but I like Chris Perez enough that I don’t think the pen is a glaring issue. If you buy Duncan’s ability to make wine out of water, then maybe you go St. Louis. But … their pitching in the minors is a bit weak and I don’t buy the rotation options as a dominant rotation. A healthy Carpenter presents an intriguing possibility, so that would be something to watch, but as of now, I’m just not sold they find enough pitching.
4) Cincinnati Reds – I like the young bats on the team. I like the young arms, and the pen should be fine. They are young, though, so I expect some ups and downs.
5) Houston Astros – Yes, they could be 2. They are banking on Hampton in the rotation as help. Their system is a mess. Can they make the necessary rally … all while their players are aging and payroll is being restricted somewhat?
A lot of time to go, though
by toonsterwu on Jan 2, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, I thought the same thing.
Yes, yes ... winter is indeed a pond upon which all of us must skate, braving frostbite and runny noses in the hopes that our cars will start and we shan't embarass ourselves slipping on a patch of black ice. Spring is more a quagmire of cold mud and slush, and fall is a pile of fallen leaves that may or may not hide a pile of doggy doo-doo. But summer, ah summer is an oasis of endless green that disappears all too quickly beneath our feet as we rush through its warm, glorious bliss.
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 2, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Buster has Jason Marquis traded
that’s not official is it?
The DeRo trade is questionable.
Unless we get JP
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by CubFreak on Jan 4, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis IS going to be traded.
It’s just a matter of passing physicals. Should be announced this week.
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by Al on Jan 5, 2009 4:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Are the Cubs picking up any of the salary
And we are geting Vizcanio in return
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Jan 5, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly yes and yes
supposedly we pick up $1 million of Marquis’ salary and we take on Vizcaino’s salary in return. Savings of about $5 million overall.
by SouthernCub on Jan 5, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Olney can bite a rock.
Both of his proposed ‘solutions’ require re-signing Edmonds. So they’re not so much solutions as… well, not solutions, at least until Ballgame figures out whether or not he’ll play this year, and how much money he wants to do so.
I do agree with him that the Peavy deal is dead, though. And while I’m also not fond of unloading DeRo or going after Gameboard, I trust Hendry enough to wait and see what happens.
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by znohitter on Jan 2, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I dunno.
I might have taken another shot at Edmonds.
But I agree with you, Hendry’s not done. You can’t “analyze” what he’s done till he’s finished.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 2, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I'd love to have Edmonds back in CF.
But he’s still on the fence about coming back, from everything I’ve heard. (If I’m wrong, please let me know.) And we don’t need to get involved in a Favre-style wait-off until mid-February.
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by znohitter on Jan 2, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While I agree with your point
Edmonds will never garner the same interest nor spectacle like Favre.
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by Reddevil on Jan 2, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
znohitter was just stating that why wait for Edmonds to make up his mind
when we can actually get someone who wants to play
Buster is wrong about Jimmy. Why would we NOT upgrade if we have the funds?
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Jan 4, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with moving on without Edmonds...
He was great for us last year. He produced amazingly well and we paid him very little. That said, his performance was way out of line with his performance trends over the past three seasons. Considering that and the fact that he’s getting older and hasn’t been healthy in recent years, I think it’s best to move on.
by SouthernCub on Jan 2, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not done for sure...
but it doesn’t look terribly good right now.
Granted, I was expecting a decline from DeRosa this year. But trading him and replacing him with Miles puts a lot more pressure on the other regulars to stay healthy. And we were already starting from a negative with Edmonds’ bat gone (and I wouldn’t have expected a repeat performance from Edmonds either, by the way) and with Theriot probably unlikely to repeat his career year.
So now, if we sign Bradley, we’re counting on Bradley to stay healthy and be 2007-2008 Bradley and not 2004-2006 Bradley at the plate. And we’re counting on Ramirez and Soriano to stay healthy. And we’re counting on either Miles or Fontenot to repeat their 2008 performances. It’s possible that the offense could be as good or better than it was in 2008. But I wouldn’t count on it based on the moves made.
And add to that the fact that the bullpen has gotten worse (moving Marmol to a less important role and replacing Wood with Gregg is a step backwards) and the rotation isn’t necessarily better (Harden is an injury risk and who knows if Dempster will come close to repeating his shocking 2008). It doesn’t look like the best of offseasons for Hendry.
by SouthernCub on Jan 2, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon you pessimist
Starting from a negative with Edmonds gone? C’mon…… .235 with 20 HRs and 55 RBIS? I’d gamble on a Fukodome rebound to give us better stats than that….and I’m sure we’ll get better than Fukodome’s stats in RF.
Wood blew 15% of his saves, walked 2.5 batters/9 innings and hit 7 people, just as many as Lilly/Zambrano who pitched 3 times as many innings as Wood! I’d rather not spend $10MM on that as a closer…….surely Gregg/Marmol can be close to that, who knows, maybe the Shark will close!
I admit, there are alot of “unknowns” right now, but don’t go negative just because there’s nothing to hold onto….
by jballgame on Jan 4, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, starting from a negative...
You cherry pick borderline irrelevant stats.
1. The bullpen is worse than last year right now with Gregg replacing Marmol. Wood blew some saves, but he was a MUCH better reliever than Gregg. Much lower WHIP, better K rate, lower walk rate.
2. Why do you bring up Marmol? We had him on the team last year. Now, he’s likely to close, which means he’ll pitch fewer innings (making him less valuable to the team).
3. Samardzija will likely be back in the rotation in AAA, being groomed for an eventual move to the rotation.
3. Really nice job cherry-picking stats on Edmonds. You gave his season stats, which include the irrelevant San Diego stats. Edmonds as a Cub? .256/.369/.568 (.907 OPS, or 136 OPS+). That’s really good. We currently don’t have anything in-house to replace that. I’ll be absolutely shocked if Fukudome posts a .907 OPS.
4. We now lack the depth we had last year, when Marshall was the 6th starter and DeRosa was available to provide solid offense at any number of positions. Injuries this year will result in a much bigger dropoff in production than they did last year.
5. We have huge injury risks in Harden and (likely) Bradley. This compounds the problem of trading starting pitching depth and trading DeRosa.
5. We had career years from Fontenot, Theriot, and Dempster. We’re counting on those to repeat, which is risky to say the least.
If everyone stays healthy and Fontenot and Dempster repeat, then we’re ahead of where we were last year. But those are HUGE “ifs” – I’d say those are unlikely “ifs”. Otherwise, then I’d say we are starting from a worse point than we were last year. Luckily for us, the division is likely to be worse, and we DID win 97 games last year, so there was room to get worse.
I’m not being negative. I’m just analyzing what we have compared to what we got last year. Objectively speaking, we run the very real risk (perhaps even likelihood) of being worse off than last year because of the increased number of injury risks and the lack of fallback options.
by SouthernCub on Jan 4, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It true Harden is an injury risk... and will need to have starts skipped,
but this year we will have him from the start of the season. That is a bonus.
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by digitalbenjamin on Jan 5, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with him...
Which part of his analysis was unfair or incorrect? I think we’re going to regret giving DeRosa away, I don’t know about the Edmonds part though. If we could trust Fukudome in right, then I would love to have Jimmy and Reed in CF again, but Dome is a big question mark for next year.
I also think the Peavy deal is dead, along with Roberts. I believe our only other move this offseason will be to sign Bradley (*sigh*); maybe can trade to get DeRo back around ASB when the Fonty/Miles experiment fails. : /
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jan 2, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dunn
Why not sign Dunn then? I dont understand the Cubs fascination w/ Bradley. Do you guys really think he is going to stay healthy? If Dunn was signed, coudnt Soriano play right flanked by Fuko?
by njnick on Jan 4, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I have been thinking.
It’s still a possibility if Bradley signs with the Nats.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 4, 2009 4:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but
why even the initial interest? he cant stay healthy. And, he is never going to be able to man center. I am just really confused by this.
by njnick on Jan 4, 2009 4:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a Cubs Fan
I was just hoping someone could help me understand the interest in Bradley for the Cubs.
by njnick on Jan 4, 2009 4:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I understood it.
I don’t.
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by Al on Jan 4, 2009 5:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently 1/4 of Bradley is better than a full Dunn or Abreu
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 4, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The statistics allegedly prove this.
But I don’t think that takes into account that he’d be replaced by Gathright when he’s on the DL.
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by Al on Jan 4, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Statistics
The statistics are what they are and i guess i believe them. Much smarter people than myself determine these formulas etc. With that being said, Dunn is no bum. He gets on base and slugs over .500. Sure he strikeouts a lot but he still is a very worthwhile player. However, he is terrible in the field. Bradley is a tremendous hitter but if the stats you are looking at include defense (im sure they do), is Bradley considered an average outfielder, below average? He played there 20 or so times last year. How is that credible? I just dont agree with the statistic that says 1/4 of Bradley is worth a season of Dunn. Does everyone else?
by njnick on Jan 4, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh DC please do it!
Washington is known to make mistakes.
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by CubFreak on Jan 4, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he is right, maybe he is wrong
But I still think we could have gotten something better for DeRo.
I can only hope this is Hendry doing his impersonation of how Kevin Towers SHOULD have conducted Peavy talks, if not, we are in for a rough offseason.
by chrisw95 on Jan 2, 2009 2:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know I'll miss DeRo
but even worse I’m afraid our organization will really regret getting rid of him.
Olney’s take scares me to death. I’m afraid he may be dead on.
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by Reddevil on Jan 2, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is kind of like the "if Wood and Prior can stay healthy" caveat from years past
IF Bradley can stay reasonably healthy he can provide all the Lou has craved and make this a more dangerous lineup.
Im getting more intrigued by what he brings to the table, which has in turn increased my skepticism of this signing primarily b/c of his fragility, even more so if that fragility comes with a 30M price tag. I dont buy the argument that 80 games of Bradley is better than 150 games of any other option.
So Im afraid we’re gonna have the same finger crossed mentality with Bradley as we had with those two, and will have with Harden.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 2, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the deal for DeRosa is taken at face value
meaning that the only other deal out there is a FA signing of Bradley or Dunn (i.e. no other trades), am I the only one to think that DeRosa’s value is much more than three mid-level pitching prospects? This is beginning to look more and more like a salary dump. Furthermore, I think the perception is that DeRosa is playing above his contract – that if he was a free agent today he would get a contract for more money in 2009 than he was contracted for. 3 mid-level pitching prospects is what I’d expect for someone who was performing about what was expected from him.
by jerry morales rules on Jan 2, 2009 2:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's a soon to be 34 year old second baseman coming off a career year
So I dont know how much money he’d command in the open market, and to expect more in a trade might be unreasonable. I wouldve hoped, if indeed this a single move, for at least one major league ready player.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 2, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
but why would he trade him now for this return? Is it unreasonable to assume that DeRosa would have at least 85-90% of the season he did in ‘08? If he falls off more than that or if Hendry thinks he will bottom out after ’09, don’t re-sign him.
It seems like there wasn’t much risk to begin with and there’s not much upside of the players received in return. The Cubs are in a “win now” mode and even if it was a fair trade, this trade would benefit the future and not the present. Is $3M in payroll flexibility really that important right now?
I don’t know. It still doesn’t make total sense to me.
by jerry morales rules on Jan 2, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure you got what I was saying
I dont know why he traded him at all, I was just saying the return is what couldve been expected for a guy his age, unless Hendry was working the phones playing the Indians against the Twins or something like that.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 2, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
1. Mark DeRosa was not traded to clear salary for Milton Bradley; they had more than $3.3M of wiggle room in the budget assuming the Marquis trade goes down as advertised.
2. Mark DeRosa was not traded to clear 2B for Mike Fontenot; otherwise, Aaron Miles would not have been signed.
3. Mark DeRosa was not traded to create more LH/RH balance in the lineup; even a village idiot would take a RHB over a LHB if the RHB was likely to have a 100 point higher OPS.
4. Mark DeRosa was not traded to stock the farm system with pitching; if the farm system has anything, it is relief pitchers.
5. Mark DeRosa was not traded to provide the prospects that either Kevin Towers or Andy McPhail want; both want ML-ready starting pitchers which Cleveland did not provide.
Mark DeRosa was traded for one reason and one reason only: Lou Piniella wanted him gone.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jan 3, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with you.
While Lou might have wanted him gone, I don’t think you can go with points 1, 4 and 5 without knowing what the final results of all of Hendry’s deals are going to be.
If some of the pitchers acquired are sent on to another team, what would you say then?
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by Al on Jan 4, 2009 4:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of those pitchers might be sent to another team.
None of them match the “stud young SP” description that Kevin Towers used in describing what he wanted for Peavy. None of them project to be Gavin Floyd, for whom the O’s are asking for Brian Roberts.
The problem is that Teflon Lou has Shanahanitis, the belief that the only reason he didn’t win is because he didn’t have enough talent. Thus, last year’s “mistake” (Kosuke Fukudome, who isn’t the power hitter Lou sought even when swinging well) will beget this year’s mistake, Milton Bradley — a guy who can really rake on those rare days when he is actually in the lineup.
Lou is slowly doing to the Cubs what he did to the M’s: sucking up to his superstars (neither Sori, DLee, or Ramy have made a single trip to Tucson in two years) while getting rid of everyone else who doesn’t bow down and kiss his feet. (Remember that Lou has thrown Raul Ibañez and Paul O’Neill into the trash along with DeRo and Stevie Ire. He totally abused Howry, then dumped him as well.) Pretty soon the Cubs’ talent level will be worse than 2006, and I don’t see enough position players in the pipeline with which to rebuild when Lou finally retires.
I have said it before and I will say it again, even though it hurts: the Cubs will not win a World Series with Lou Piniella as the manager.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jan 4, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree 1000%
I am sick and tired of big bad Lou Piniella being the convenient excuse when fan favorites are traded, banished to the bench, etc.
Why on earth would Lou Piniella want Mark DeRosa gone?!? All DeRosa did in Chicago was play like a team MVP for two years. He was a good 2nd baseman, a selfless teammate who was willing and able to help out at four other positions, got on base at a fine clip and drove in runs. Plus he was popular among his teammates.
by BLou on Jan 4, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Two Words.
Kaz. Matsui.
Two more: Brian Roberts.
Lou has bee trying to get rid of DeRo for a year. He finally succeeded.
Why?
I don’t know. Why did he prefer Neal Cotts over Scott Eyre?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jan 4, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question.
While I generally like Lou, it seems impossible to get out of his doghouse once you get in.
Further, in the case of someone like Bob Howry, who SHOULD have been in the doghouse, he had a complete blind spot.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 5, 2009 4:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, that's it - you've officially "jumped the shark".
Look, I feel your pain about trading DeRosa, but if you don’t know why Lou has been trying to get rid of DeRo for a year, then how do you know that Lou has been trying to get rid of DeRo for a year?
If by chance, you’re going to the Cubs Convention, I hope you and Doggie Stalker can compare notes and corner Lou and/or Hendry – either on the floor or in the bar – and ask some direct, “no wiggle room” questions and hopefully get some straight answers. At least then we’d have some facts to evaluate. Until then, it’s all just conjecture…
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by ballhawk on Jan 5, 2009 6:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't go to Cubbie Conventions
I made that mistake once and was horrified. I swear I accidentally entered a Star Trek Convention by mistake. Never in my life have I been surrounded by more pathetic looking souls wearing at least 246 pieces of Cubbie flair each. And as if that wasn’t scary enough then let me tell you about the 20 and 30 somethings with their autograph books in hand. It was like being surrounded by a busload of starving fat people who had just pulled into the parking lot of an all-you-can-eat buffet stop.
Never ever again.
by BLou on Jan 5, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so you liked it then?
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jan 5, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AND NOW WE HAVE FOUND YOUR KRYPTONITE.
(Just to letcha know.)
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by znohitter on Jan 5, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DeRoMyHero
anything you say about derosa is biased becuase he was ’Your boy" as evident by your name. Sorry you have to buy a new player t shirt but thats baseball. BRING ON GAMEBOARD BRADLEY! Honestly i dont really care that Dero is gone. The cubs are good, which seems to be a lost fact in these message boards. Fontenot is ready for full time second base and miles is going to be a back up infielder, not a platooner with Fontenot, at least i hope. Your first point assumes that hendry is finished for the year, but isnt it good to have a surplus of cap space, in case of a need to make a move as the deadline approaches? say a dude goes down with injury, probably bradley, why not save the cash so we can pick up a viable replacement when needed? Yeah Dero filled that spot, but i highly doubt he will be as good as he was for us the last few seasons. Factor in the WBC in addition to his 150 games and he is gonna burn out come october when we really need him. Also, who really knows about the kids we got for him. How may times have we had 600 tool prospects that suck, then along comes our 1 tool guys and we get a theriot or a fontenot, not an all star but a good player. your obsession on the fact that lou wanted him gone is stupid. nobody wants a guy like dero gone, but if you can movie him for the better of the club, you have to do it.
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by FutureGroundscrewMember on Jan 9, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paragraph breaks are your friend.
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by Al on Jan 10, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I'm glad DeRo is gone.
He is going from a situation in which…
his manager batted him as low in the order as possible so that he would face more junk, made him change positions constantly to accommodate a “utility infielder”, sent him to Tucson even when he had the flu, and never had anything good to say about him — even when he was carrying the team in August….
…to a team in which the manager wants him, is willing to play him on the left side of the infield where he is more comfortable, wants to bat him in fastball heaven (the #2 spot), and says that he won’t move him around unless injuries necessitate such a move.
That sounds like a good way to get a nice new contract — all without having to have Lou treat you like a rookie.
I’m happy for DeRo, not so happy for the Cubs.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jan 11, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The reality of it
I’m as against the Miles signing and DeRosa trade today than anyone else might be and while I appreciate Olney’s opinion for what it is, reality dictates his commentary is generally meaningless.
Unless the Tigers score the 1,000 runs they were going to score last year or the Yankees were to win the World Series (somehow before their own division) or Johan Santana would make Tom Seaver look like Randy Martz. How did all of those work out?
Offseason is just that, offseason, the real stuff happens between the lines starting in April. Everything else is just fluff.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Jan 2, 2009 2:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Great line there, allow me to expand.
Offseason is just that, offseason. Its a time for hope. Its a time for trades and free agent signings. For some teams, its as competative as they’ll be all year, as that team postures against a rival to sign some free agent. The real stuff happens between the chalk lines starting in April. Thats where the players have two options: Get it done or dont.
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought you ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth.
Joe Garagiola
by Ryan at Cubshub on Jan 3, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets wait and see
what else happens… If this is about saving $3.3 million and adding a power arm to the pen, then Lou has gotten carried away with his insistence on left-handed bats..
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Jan 2, 2009 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sooo....
When do you think we will find out anything new and official of note? One week? Two weeks? At the beginning of Spring Training?
I was really excited when all of those posts about DeRosa started appearing, and I (stupidly) assumed there’d be a constant flow of information with wonderful news about Peavy and Roberts. Now…nothing…but (once again), how long do you think until something new and interesting (and official!) happens?
Sigh…I think my patience level has eroded down to the level of my 6/5/3 year old kids’ level.
by jdb-44 on Jan 2, 2009 3:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A week or two..
I thought there would be more signings after Tex signed with NY, but not much has happened since.. Dunn, Manny, Abreu, Braley and Lowe still don’t have homes…
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Jan 2, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis should be traded next week...
I’d expect Bradley to come on board shortly thereafter. After that, who knows (but I wouldn’t expect any more big moves). I’d expect the major pieces to be in place by the Cubs Convention. I wouldn’t be waiting with bated breath for a Peavy or Roberts deal, though.
by SouthernCub on Jan 2, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, tears us a new one?
Holy sensationalism, batman!
by kanderber on Jan 2, 2009 4:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Reds are Cardinals are our competition in the NL Central
The Reds are quietly assembling quite a pitching staff in my view. How well they do in 2009 shall be decided by how well Jay Bruce, Joey Votto and Edwin Encarnacion progress in their development.
I never ever underestimate the Cardinals and Tony LaRussa. I think the addition of Khalil Greene will surprise people in how well it works out. He gives them excellent defense at SS and they have the luxury of batting him 6th or 7th where he can hack away and drive in runs. Key for the Cardinals comes down to whether they have enough starting pitching in Adam Wainwright, Joel Piniero and the latest two Dave Duncan wonder projects in Kyle Lohse and Todd Wellemeyer (both ex-Cubs mind you).
by BLou on Jan 2, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That "quite a pitching staff"...
… gave up 800 runs last year, 13th in the league. I don’t see them as having made any significant improvements.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 3, 2009 8:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reds
Aaron Harang is a vastly better pitcher than his wretched 2008 performance. Also, very talent youngsters in Johnny Cueto and Edwin Volzquez should get better, with both having the potential to become elite pitchers in the NL. Homer Bailey is also very highly touted but has disappointed to date. Bronso Arroyo and Micah Owings aren’t bad back of the rotation starters either. Plus the Reds have some nice bullpen arms and a proven closer in Cordero.
I wouldn’t underestimate the Reds in 2009. I’m not saying they are going to be legitimate playoff contender, but they are a team on the definite rise. Keep in mind Walt Jocketty is running the shop too.
by BLou on Jan 3, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with that pitching staff...
…. is the ballpark. It’s a launching pad. There’s no guarantee that Harang comes back healthy — especially with Dusty as manager, which may hurt the other pitchers on that staff, too.
The Reds, I think, are doomed to mediocrity as long as Baker is manager.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 3, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just as the Cardinals find a way to win every year...
…the Reds find a way to lose. They’ll need to be pretty far over .500 pretty late in the season for me to start believing in them.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jan 3, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the reds suck
ive never seen a good reds team in my life(19 yrs). DON BAYLOR is their manager so you can bet all their young pitchers will go to hell in three years and have 30+ surgeries to repair “minor ligament damage” on their shoulders. They dont have good players either, they have almost good players. nobody on their team sends chills down a pitchers spine, yet and they got rid of the coolest player ever lat year and gave him to the white sox, the least cool team ever. I think picking the reds to be good was like picking the cowboys or vikings to contend for the super bowl, or penn state to contend with USC, trendy but not likely
"This ball's got a chaaaaaance.....(YES!!! YESSS!!!!).....GONE!!! CUBS WIN, CUBS WIN!"
by FutureGroundscrewMember on Jan 9, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DON BAYLOR
actually means DUSTY BAKER
"This ball's got a chaaaaaance.....(YES!!! YESSS!!!!).....GONE!!! CUBS WIN, CUBS WIN!"
by FutureGroundscrewMember on Jan 9, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Olney's biggest mistake
… is that his other proposed solutions involve not just re-signing Edmonds — but re-signing Edmonds to a cheap deal. That MIGHT be possible, but I’m guessing it’s not or Hendry would have done just that.
I was an Edmonds convert next year, but assuming that he’ll come cheaply is a little off, IMO.
by elgato on Jan 3, 2009 9:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs


















