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Dempster, the WBC, and Loyalty

This story about Dempster passing on the WBC just came out north of the border.

As a Cub fan, I'm really glad that both Demp and Rich Harden are not taking part. Rich because of the cranky shoulder, Ryan because of the big $$ the Cubs just spent on him.

As a Canadian, it would be nice to see our best out there against countries like the US, Dominican and Japan, which are obviously superior to Canada in talent. However, my desire for a Cubs World Series wins out over an exhibition tournament with no meaningful implications.

Here's a quote from Dempster about his previous decision to pass on the last WBC while recovering from Tommy John:

"I love where I'm from and I love the opportunity my country has provided me with, but at the same time I had to do the right thing for our team."

The reason I've linked to this article is because of the comments at the bottom of the story. It's embarrassing, to be honest, the response of some people to Dempster's decision. They think him not donning the Canadian Jersey essentially translates to him spitting on the flag.

Get real, people.

Go Cubs, Go Canada...in that order!

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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The WBC is a joke

If I owned a team, I would put contract riders in stating that any player that showed up for the WBC would be fined $100,000 a day.

The Cubs are paying these guys to play for the Cubs, not for Fartistan or wherever.

There is only one baseball event with “World” in it that matters.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 10:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

that's idiotic

how amazing would it be to don your countries uniform? This is the ony baseball tournament outside of MLB that MLB players have a chance to play in, so let them play. And it has rather restrictive rules on the pitchers anyway, so the chances of them getting hurt is a lot less than it would be normally.

That said, I can see his reasoning for not doing it, but for me, the chance to don an Irish uniform would be jumped at immediately. (I know, Ireland’s baseball team is nowhere good enough to make it to a WBC type event.)

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Jan 20, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Their countries aren't paying them

Their teams are.

I am livid that a single Cub is doing this.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you expect their country

to pay them?! You would be livid if you payed attention to international soccer. Country comes first in that sport, not team. If you can’t make the time to play for your country, you can easily be dropped from the roster.

I have no problem with anyone in baseball doing this, wish there were more people offering their services. It’s nice to see players put their national pride (for whatever country) out there.

Yes, injury concerns are there, but it’s a factored risk that the players are taking. Playing a nominal amount of games at the position that they would be practicing at spring training, more competitive yes, but still just a few more games than they would normally play.

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Jan 20, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Soccer? You bring me soccer?

I don’t pay attention to soccer. My interest in that sport ranks somewhere below the interest I have in my belly button lint and somewhat above the interest I have in YOUR belly button lint.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

We welcome baseball fans from around the world, but bring soccer into the discussion and things could get ugly. Fast.

RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)

by dat cubfan daver on Jan 20, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To quote George Carlin

Soccer isn’t a sport because they have dots on the ball. That’s a big rule of mine. No god-damn dots on the ball!

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no one uses those balls anymore

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 20, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

TWHS

RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)

by dat cubfan daver on Jan 21, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i said

that you would be livid IF you paid attention to international soccer. Obviously you don’t.

and obviously we disagree. I’m just disappointed that I don’t have cable or satellite at the moment, so I won’t be getting to watch the games.

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Jan 20, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Worf on this

And to be perfectly frank, I would prefer to keep nationalism out of sports. The problem is that fans often want it all — they want their MLB team to be competative, and then they want the star players of said team to play in an international tourney. I’d like to think my favorite players were some kind of supermen, immune to injury, fatigue, etc — but thats simply a fantasy. Soccer is hardly a good comparison, because soccer (due to its international appeal) specifically encourages nationalism in its sport, MLB does not.

Also, there is also the school of thought that by playing in the WBC, players are actually not getting enough playing time. Some players actually stated that it caused slow starts (ie; Zambrano). Spring training provides a systematic routine of training and excercise, the WBC only guarantees jet lag and the potential to start in a game.

by StevenABQ on Jan 20, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Whether you like it or not

some people have pride and love for there country where they are from.
 God bless them for it.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jan 20, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm confused

Are you suggesting that I have a problem with people taking pride in their country? Because if so then I must have really missed the mark in my comments. I only stated that I would prefer for worship of country to be left out of MLB — its like religion and politics — its a distraction from the game itself. If you don’t believe that take a gander at the kind of hooliganism that goes on at many of the games — there are some god fearing folks eh? Quite frankly I offered an opinion, mainly as to why MLB differs from Soccer on an international scene, and you pretty much call me pinko. “Some people have pride and love” my ass, climb off your high horse. I think I have a right to be irritated by your comment, I in no way suggested that people ought not to have pride, love, you name it, for their country.

by StevenABQ on Jan 20, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

UH

this was directed at Worf, not you sir. That is all.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jan 21, 2009 6:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright

No hard feelings.

by StevenABQ on Jan 21, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Irish uniform

Like this one?

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jan 20, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly!

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Jan 20, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

if you have played high school ball or higher, and want to play for an Irish amateur club, drop me a line.

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jan 20, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

nice! have you seen Emerald Diamond, the documentary on the team? It’s both hilarious and a little sad. The same guy who made Playin’ for Peanuts on csn did it. I think people on here would get a kick out of it.

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Jan 20, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

on behalf of Irish baseball -- ouch

It’s received great reviews, but I have a few issues with it (of no interest to anyone here).

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jan 21, 2009 3:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Selig and the MLBPA

Would not allow that.

This is Seligs baby, and replaces the Olympics since baseball was removed from it. It may be nothing more than a lesser version of the All Star Game, but it is what it is.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 20, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you make no mention of the fact, worf, that this tourny was created by MLB

by selig, so ipso facto, its an MLB production and is meant to grow the game internationally, its a 2 week tournament for crying out loud, not an entirely new season…..people with your view point should relax

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 20, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

pardon me

I figured “This is Seligs baby” explained it to be MLB created……

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 20, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasnt responding to your quote

follow the hierarchy, my quote is even with yours, therefore its not a reply to yours

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 20, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OOPS

My bad

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 20, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no problem

these get can get a bit muddled when they get so many replies jumbled together

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 20, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I figured

saying this is Seligs baby was enough to state such. I also figured people posting here knew that Selig and MLB have put this entire thing into place as it currently is.

And IMO it is a waste of players time, when they should be in camp preparing for the 162 game season coming up.

I never once even hinted that it was a new season, I said it is a lesser version of the All Star game. I feel this way, due to the teams having players shuffled based on nationalities (and if memory recalls one player last time was on the team for Holland (?) and no one in his family as far as he knew had ever been to Holland).

Personally, I would hope that the players are more worried about winning a World Series than the WBC.

And if Zambrano gets injured playing in the WBC, would you still say it was a smart thing to be involved in?

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 20, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not to mention the fact, I cited "worf" in the title

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 20, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

RE Injuries

Id say there is just as much a chance of injury in spring training or everyday activity as there is in the WBC, which has strict pitch limits, we’ve had players hurt doing all manner of things, so I think to argue against this tournament simply b/c of injury risk is false.

Dice-K, the tournaments MVP in 06 threw a grand total of 13 innings…this is a short tourny with strict rules to protect pitchers, Z or anyone else has just as much a chance of hurting themselves in a ST game or falling in a dumpster

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jan 20, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Preach on brother!

The WBC is a joke. Country loyalty? Please. I have loyalty as a CUBS’ fan. The CUBS winning the World Series is ALL THAT MATTERS. Not some retarded scrimmage tournament.

Just wait until a major star gets injured…..

PHISH IS BACK!!!
HAMPTON, VA - MARCH 6, 7 and 8th!!!!

by TheBeerBaron on Jan 20, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

there's that word again...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 20, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 20, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There was a time when all that mattered

was the N.L pennant, and the World Series was considered a joke. They even scrapped it the second year because the owner of the NL champs didn’t want his players playing against “inferior” competition.

The WBC may be scrapped after a couple of attempts…..or, maybe it gains the respect of fans and gradually builds into something more meaningful.

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jan 20, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The second year was 1903!

Check back in 105 years and tell me if the WBC is anything more than worthless.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 21, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that it was over 100 years ago

was kind of the point. The World Series has been deemed the ultimate in baseball competitions since long before our fathers were born. But when it started, there were plenty of people who thought it was worthless, even after it had been established for several years. Some people take longer than others to accept change, especially in something as tradition-bound as baseball. But that doesn’t mean they never do.

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jan 21, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We wouldn't be dealing with this crap

if in the infinite wisdom that is the IOC they didn’t rid the Olympics of baseball and softball.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jan 20, 2009 10:16 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

yeah, we would

Because MLB doesn’t allow players on the 25 man roster to play for their Olympic teams.

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Jan 20, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's irrelevant

If the IOC didn’t cancel baseball and softball there would be no WBC.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jan 20, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But Selig....

Rightfully would not shut the season down for a few weeks, to allow MLB players into the Olympics.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 20, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Very true, however

the NHL does it and without much issue IMHO. Take a look at Vancouver next year. The NHL will nix the ASG and take those few days and put them towards the 17 or so needed for the olympics. Baseball is probably best off not to do this unless they figure out how to get those 17 days back. The season is too long. They’d probably have to get MLBPA approval to build in several day-night DH’s for all teams.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jan 20, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, and the MLBPA probably wouldn't go for that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 20, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nor should they

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I was afraid of that

but it was my suggestion (along with better scheduling) to shorten the already-too-long 6 month campaign.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jan 20, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

MLB

Would have to either shorten the season (loss in game day revenue), play two weeks later into October (meaning mid to late November start for World Series), or start the season two weeks earlier (mid March?).

You think people complain now that the season is too long, add two weeks to that and see what they say then.

"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic

by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 20, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's not true

Selig has been working on a baseball version of soccer’s World Cup since the late 90’s. The Olympic decision had little to do with it. It may have aided the sales pitch, but baseball would likely be doing this anyway.

by Josh77 on Jan 20, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and the IOC was considering dropping baseball

before it even got started; well before the late 90’s.

Should the IOC suddenly get a brain transplant and reinstate baseball and softball the WBC would simply go away as we know it.

Unless there’s a way to to an in-season tournament like the olympics are presently, this simply will not fly. There’s too much pressure now as it is to take into account rain/snow outs in April and October.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jan 21, 2009 6:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want any of them to play in it.

After seeing what the last one did to Jake Peavy, I don’t want a single Cub to play in it. I’m sure some will, but I wish they wouldn’t.

I know we’d all prefer a Cubs World Championship as opposed to a WBC title for our favorite country.

by Kornchex on Jan 20, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Peavy got hurt?

Funny I was just thinking that there were no significant injuries last time around. Was it bad?

I have nothing funny or creative to write.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jan 20, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, Peavy did not get hurt

He had a bad season in 2006 and some people blamed that on the WBC, but there’s no evidence that there was any connection.

There was one significant injury in the last WBC, insomuch that any injury to Luis Ayala can be called significant. Ayala hurt his arm and underwent TJ surgery and missed all of 2006. Of course, Ayala would likely have suffered the same injury in training camp had he not played in he WBC.

by Josh77 on Jan 20, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, I don't know how to break this to you...

…but Rich Harden IS on Canada’s roster. (See Josh’s Fanpost here.) Of course, he may not play if he’s still recovering from his injury building up strength in his right shoulder. But he’s on there.

RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)

by dat cubfan daver on Jan 20, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If he steps onto the field

for one pitch, I’ll recant every supportive thing I ever said about him.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well you better tell Harden..

… because I’m sure that will stop him.

by dmlichte on Jan 20, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know... I know...

I’m gnashing my teeth here.

But with his injury history, and now he has a tear and he’s considering doing this?

Canada isn’t paying him. The Cubs are.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No matter how you feel...

… all the teams agreed to do this. Harden’s workload in the WBC wouldn’t be very much different from what he’d throw in normal spring training games during the WBC time. As pointed out above, Canada’s not likely to get past the first round.

I think you can stop gnashing now.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Jan 20, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

These guys are adults

They get to make their own decisions.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not when they are being paid $10 million a year, they don't

Teams can keep them off snowmobiles and off pickup basketball courts. They can keep them out of this.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you think Curt Schilling wore the bloody sock for money?

you think Kerry Strug vaulted on a broken ankle for money?

you think that USAir pilot walked through the plane TWICE to make sure everyone was out while it was sitting there in the Hudson River for money?

you think that man stood in front of tank in Tiananmen Square for money?

ok, that last one was a bit much as I don’t think there was any money involved there, but the point is we’re talking about the human spirit here – the very qualities that makes someone a great competitor and that you would want on the mound (or at the plate) in Game 7 for your team are the ones that make them want to play for their country.

And you want to quash that?

May you gnash your dentures down to the gum line and suck on cold porridge for the rest of your waking days…

I am Ballhawk, son of Bulgar!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 20, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Point by point

1) I think Curt Schilling would put on YOUR bloody socks if you paid him 10 cents more than he’s making now. (Yes, I would have wanted him in his prime, but I’m under no illusion as to what he is)

2) I think Kerri Strug was told by Bela Karoyli that he would kill and eat her family if she didn’t get her wimpy butt out there

3) I think the USAir Pilot walked through the plane twice because THAT IS HIS JOB.

4) Tianamen Square? Really?

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you really are

a most cynical and unappealing person.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Because I refuse to give medals to people who perform common-sense safety checks?

The pilot deserves a medal for making a tough landing under horrific conditions.

Had he jumped off the plane at that point without making sure everyone was off, I’d think he should be fired.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he walked a sinking plane

TWICE. That was certainly above and beyond.

I think your statements about Schilling and Strug are distasteful.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Put it in a baseball term

A pitcher on two days rest coming in during a tie game with the bases loaded and nobody out and striking out the side is above and beyond.

But if he fails to cover first on a routine grounder, allowing the go-ahead run to score, that is failing to do his job. I don’t care how much rest he didn’t get.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you cannot possibly

compare these two actions. They aren’t even in the same universe. Nobody dies — including the pitcher — if he fails to get the grounder. Nor does the pitcher put his life on the line by successfully fielding the grounder.

You cannot put this in “baseball terms”. Says a lot about you that you try, tho.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not the one who brought

Tianamen Square and this pilot into this in the first place, so please, direct your outrage elsewhere.

Or better yet, go away and let ballhawk and I have the fun argument we were having before you decided to polish your halo in front of us.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

who is talking about China?

you’re the one attempting to compare a pilot walking his crashed, sinking plane to a tired pitcher trying to field a grounder.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You steaming glop of ignorance!

Three posts up, ballhawk brings in China.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and am I ballhawk?

once again. you’re the one attempting to compare a pilot walking his crashed, sinking plane to a tired pitcher trying to field a grounder.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And ballhawk

is the one who gave me the plane line in the first place.

But I don’t care if ballhawk did that. I’m not the one pooping his pants over this.

I’m saying that if you’re going to swing your righteous anger around like a 5-year-old whacking a pinata, at least hit both sides.

Or better yet… go away.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no
I'll continue to rip apart your arguments when it's merited.

once again. you’re the one attempting to compare a pilot walking his crashed, sinking plane to a tired pitcher trying to field a grounder.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's right... I am

And you’ll just have to deal.

The point is valid. Sometimes, people go above and beyond. Other times, they just do their jobs.

Whether that job is a pitcher, pilot, cop, Dumpster-cleaner, or secretary.

Now, run along and polish your halo.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and when they’re not doing their jobs, they get to do what they want.

Which is the real point here, and the one that you continue to miss. Even a $10million contract doesn’t allow the owners to OWN the players.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

c'mon Worf, 'fess up

you know darn well that while drew, me and the rest of us normal, apple pie eating, norman rockwell loving, prairie home companion types are polishing our halos, you sit there, night after night, honing your batleth, just waiting for the next BCB user to feel the wrath of your blade.

You flush goldfish down the toilet on a daily basis – dead or alive. Your favorite comic strip character is Bucky the cat from Get Fuzzy because he torments Satchel, the lovable yet slightly doofus of a Cubs fan. You growl at the mailman, your socks are lined with barbed wire, and yes, you would dare to look Ted Lilly in the eye if given the chance.

You are Worf, son of Mogh and all who cross your path shall perish!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 20, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're throwing your lot in with drew?

You really ARE a Ferengi!

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if that were the case, then in all likelihood, I'd be paying your salary

so you better be nice to me and drew or there’ll be no Klingon bloodwine for you.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 20, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

besides

Worf, son of Mogh, doesn’t look Ted Lilly in the face. Ted Lilly discommoded him with a knee to the gut.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The word is

Discommendation

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you are incorrect.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Klingonz

Look in the section called “Fan Speculation”.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And thank you so much ballhawk

For running away and leaving me to deal with the mosquito.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well, isn't that what Ferengi do?

that and manage the local establishments of course…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 20, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

are you really speaking in klingon?

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Jan 20, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

only after about six Old Styles...

…or three Guinessessess…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jan 20, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

new old style

or the classic flavor?

There's nothing wrong with this team that more pitching, more fielding and more hitting couldn't help......"--Bill Buckner

by laidbackliam on Jan 21, 2009 1:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you know what they say

about dogs who can’t handle the heat.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jan 20, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yet

the MLB shouldn’t.

They’re adults. They get to make their own decisions.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Kent

couldn’t decide whether to ride a motorcycle.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's an adult

he made his decision. My job doesn’t pay me $10million, but I’m sure that my boss would prefer that I not go skydiving. Yet, as an adult, I am still allowed to decide what I do when I’m not working.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, you're right...

They get to decide whether to skydive, drive a motorcycle, play pickup basketball, etc…

And the team can then decide to stop employing them as per contract.

Athletes use their bodies to make money. Their usefulness to their employee depends on the strength of their arms, legs and backs.

That’s gone, or endangered, then they are no longer useful.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jan 20, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And the team can then decide to stop employing them as per contract.

If the contract specifies that, then sure. I’m pretty sure that most baseball contracts DON’T have such clauses, yet. And, since the WBC is, in fact, RUN by MLB, I can’t see clauses excluding WBC participation happening.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on Jan 20, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The same teams whose

owners devised the tournament in the first place are going to stop their players from playing in it?

"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano

by JohnM on Jan 20, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure Harden is heartbroken

Let’s see—disappoint my country or disappoint a guy named after a Klingon? Tough choice.

by Josh77 on Jan 20, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's on the roster

but has said he’s not going to play..

I have nothing funny or creative to write.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jan 20, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Any chance....

the MLB umpire Bob Davidson gets invited back to call any of the WBC games?

by MillsChC on Jan 20, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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