Nomar Again?
by TheHawkRules on Jan 21, 2009 9:28 AM CST
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Howdy folks!
What do you all think of this?
While reading some baseball news, I found that Nomar Garciaparra is still out on the free agent market. Do you think it would be a good idea for the Cubs to sign him up to be a DeRosa style replacement? I know he’s injured a lot, but he doesn’t have to be a FT player. He can fill in at SS, 3rd, and 1st. Maybe he could play a little bit of outfield also.
It seems like he can still hit some. He hit 8 homers in 163 at-bats, plus, he doesn’t strike out much. Because of that, I could see him being a good pitch hitter.
There’s a good chance he probably wouldn’t cost too much, and would sign a short-term contract also.
What do you think?
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Doh
Crap. I screwed that post up. Man! It’s going to be one of those days…
Sorry about that.
by TheHawkRules on Jan 21, 2009 9:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I fixed your post.
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by Al on Jan 21, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
doubt it will happen
But it’s possible if the Cubs trade Cedeno, I guess.
by elgato on Jan 21, 2009 9:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Still No Room...
… the 2 bench infielders at this point are Miles and Hoffpauir. If we get someone, it would be to push Hoff back to AAA. That person would need to be a good pinch hitter that has pop that can backup 1st and 3rd.
I don’t see Nomar doing that effectively any longer…
by initram on Jan 21, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blech
Blech. Where do they play him? The key in signing players is to look at what they will likely do in the future, not necessarily what they have done in the past. The Nomar of 8 years ago was great. That player’s dead, gone and buried. The 2009 Nomar is just not worth the signing.
But I wouldn’t put it past the Cubs. They tend to prefer older players with established levels of mediocrity over young players with high ceilings. For example, why would the Cubs sign Gathright and then dump Pie. Even with Pie’s “disappointing” 2008 season, he outhit Gathright. The difference is that Gathright’s older and likely peaked or near peak and Pie’s peak is several years off.
by frustratedfan on Jan 21, 2009 9:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dunno...
If it’s to back up 3B and 1B with potential to double switch to SS/2B for a late inning here or there, great. However, interested only if he will play for $1.5 or less which I doubt he would consider.
by N Oakley on Jan 21, 2009 9:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
As bad as Theriot's range is
I don’t want him swapped out for Nomah. He stopped being a SS a long time ago.
by salparadise23 on Jan 21, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but if Soriano can play an inning a season at second,
or a pitcher can move to LF on occasion, a guy who used to be an SS could fill that role for an inning in an extra inning game.
I guess I don’t consider that “being a SS.”
by N Oakley on Jan 21, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is he willing to be a PH off the bench for a $1M
That would be a nice addition instead of Aurilia but then would he be willing to play in this role happily?
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by Ivy Walls on Jan 21, 2009 9:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He may not want the Daryl Ward PH role
but if it had some part-time playing time, keeping A-Ram and Lee fresh, he might be amenable. You think he’s insisting on a full time starting role somewhere?
As for the $, I’m sure he’ll get more than $1M, but not much more.
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by JohnM on Jan 21, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's the big question
Nomar’s upside is huge. The big if though has always been will he be healthy. At this point in his career it might not be crazy for him to want to play for a contending team as a backup. Seeing as he hasn’t been signed, he might have to take a reserve role
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by Musicdude10 on Jan 21, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
I didn’t think you guys could find a worse back-up shortstop then Rich Aurilla but we did with Nomar.
Ouch, the more I think about it, let’s keep Ronny Cedeno.
by MrShowtime on Jan 21, 2009 9:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nomie Sniffles...
can stay on the free agent market. Dude is more interested in being ripped to shreds, instead of being flexible and less injury prone. He just needs to call it quits already.
by Craig in South Bend on Jan 21, 2009 9:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
???
Huh? Isn’t Nomar still an API client? Verstegen has never advocated excess weight training. Where’s that coming from?
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it harkens back to the Sports Illustrated cover
that actually featured API and their training techniques that weren’t about adding excessive muscle.
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by Trey2317 on Jan 21, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
It’s just struck me as a weird comment. Their entire core program is built around flexibility and core strength, and Nomar has been with Mark for years.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I remember that article well
Nomar was ripped pretty good, but the article definitely focused on core training and how it helped a guy who weighed 190 pounds or so like Nomar generate so much power.
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by Trey2317 on Jan 21, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, for what it's worth...
I highly recommend his books. API customizes programs for paying customers, but the core program is pretty consistent. It’s amazing what you can get out of it in the way of strength and flexibility in just a couple of hours a week.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't remember where
but I remember awhile back where his health issues were discussed and it was brought up that he’s all muscle and his workout program was better suited to a body builder, than someone playing SS.
by Craig in South Bend on Jan 21, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't...
It’s so far removed from the regimen of pro bodybuilding that it’s actually funny. The day I see those guys working medicine balls pushups and cable twists is the day the end of the world has arrived.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All that muscle doesn't make him more mobile
He may have more power, but for the positions he wants to play, he’s not going to have as much range, and he’s going to be hurt more often by over-extending himself.
And it doesn’t even matter what his workout regime is. He’s made of glass, and he wouldn’t be useful to the team if he’s going to ride the bench again. There’s already enough players on this roster whose health is questionable, so it’s hard to fathom why adding another helps this team.
by Craig in South Bend on Jan 21, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean this one?
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 21, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, had blocked that out. Guessing he came directly from the Top Gun
volleyball scene.
by N Oakley on Jan 21, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And then he got hurt and missed all but 21 games that year.
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by Trey2317 on Jan 21, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is hard to get someone out
if they never actually play
by Schizo on Jan 21, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OH HAEIL NO!
Unless he played for the minimum. And even then, I’d be afraid he’d be overpaid.
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by Worf on Jan 21, 2009 10:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exaggerate much?
He’s 36, was injured last year, but mostly healthy with over 400abs for each of the two years before that.
An everyday player, uh no. Only worth the minimum, uh no. A decent PH/1B/3B backup? Maybe. The biggest complaint and factor negating his addition is that he is right handed.
by N Oakley on Jan 21, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
What a colossal waste of time and money Nomar would be at this stage in his career.
He’s probably done.
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by Al on Jan 21, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you call a guy done...
who’s still putting up .800 OPS seasons? I don’t get it.
If Nomar could be slotted in at under 2.5 million — and hopefully at the expense of Cedeno — I’d do it in a minute. It’s an immediate bench upgrade.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
800 OPS?
Nomar’s last 800 OPS year was 2006. That’s the only year he has reached that level since 2004.
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by Al on Jan 21, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year was....
.794. Close enough. And shall we start looking at, say in comparison to Ronny Cedeno and Aaron Miles?
He’s an upgrade.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind him in that role...
If, for the right price, he were to say replace Cedeno’s spot on the roster I’d be okay with it. He could back up 1B/3B, PH and play an occasional 2B with Miles sliding over to SS to rest Theriot. Nomar could probably even play SS in a pinch – if healthy.
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by bobby h on Jan 21, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
all the Nomar hate. He was an all-star two years ago, had an OK 2007, and was on track to have a great 2008 but injuries cut him short. If he can be had on the cheap he would be a soild DeRosa replacement, and a guy I would much rather have over Miles.
by JimboJet on Jan 21, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Its not hate
and I really think the guy is a gamer, willing to play anywhere he is needed. But I also think his best days are behind him, and for the money he would want, its not worth it. I woudl rather see us pick someone up from the large list of free agents who are NOT past their prime, then to wasate money of a has been.
Practicality vs Past, its just not a sound baseball decision, and thats why he is still on the market as well.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can appreciate...
your argument, as there are some bargain to be had in this market. However, who in their prime is going to come to a team to be the first or second guy off the bench? Maybe you could find some progressive free agent who might come along to get on a championship team, but usually even that type of player is a bit older.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you got it right when you mentioned the injuries.
His 2006 season was OK — 2007 was pretty bad. He’s constantly injured. I like Nomar and I’m sad that he couldn’t have put up the Hall of Fame career he seemed on target for.
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by Al on Jan 21, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but healthy at the moment...
…and I think the expectation would be for him to get maybe 200-250 ABs rather than be an everyday player.
In that role, I think he’d be more likely to stay healthy throughout the season — or at least healthy enough to PH and spot start. I think that he would a reasonable bench upgrade over Cedeno or Aurilla.
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by bobby h on Jan 21, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nomar was ravaged by injuries and the insistence that he play shortstop
Nomar should have been playing 3rd base or 1st base the last 10 years. Playing shortstop was a mistake, and took too great a physical toll.
His career will go down as a Hall of Famer in the making who was derailed by injury. Or perhaps maybe the steroid innuendos are on the money. All I know is that I’d love to have him on the Cub bench in 2009.
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love Nomar Garciaparra back
He can play 3rd base and 1st base. If he is up for it then I definitely would pursue.
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 10:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've heard
The Phillies are interested in him, if he doesn’t retire. I like Nomar, but he seems like a really really unlikely pickup for this team. And would he even want to come back here? Not too many fond memories, I’d think.
by JodyDavis on Jan 21, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt mind see the WGN
We Got Nomar signs again
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 21, 2009 10:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice Idea
But I do not think it would be beneficial for us. We have enough players fighting for the bench as it is. i wish Nomar the best wherever he goes, he was always classy, but his time in a Cubs uniform have come and gone.
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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 21, 2009 10:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well guys it comes down to
1. Who has more left in the tanks. Nomar or Aurilla??
2. Assuming we don’t keep Cedeno, Who can back-up SS better, Nomar or Aurilla??
3. Who will be cheaper Nomar or Aurilla??
I think they both are pretty equal in their defense at 3rd and 1st. I also think Nomar could learn to back-up the corner OF positions if necessary. I also think that the higher offense ceiling has to go to Nomar. The other 3 questions, I don’t have the answeres, hopefully some of you fine gentleman can shed some light………..
by MrShowtime on Jan 21, 2009 10:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
In order, I would say
1. Nomar
2. Nomar
3. Aurilla – though I would guess the difference wouldn’t be drastic.
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by bobby h on Jan 21, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if that's the case Bobby
We might as well get Nomar especially if there asking price is less then a million difference.
I think if Aramis Ramirez gets hurt, who are we more comforable hitting in his place for 3-5 weeks. Nomar or Aurilla?
That’s an easy answer for me, hands down I would rather have Nomar. Hopefully Nomar see’s the potential in this team to win World Series and would like to be a part of it. In reality, besides the Angels, what other team in the ML is pretty much guaranteed to be in the playoffs besides the Cubs?
The AL east is tough with Rays, Yankees, and Redsox and at max only two can get in That’s assuming they don’t beat on each other all season. The AL Central and NL West are wide open. Also the NL east is not going to be easy with the front runners Mets and Phillies, but the Braves have gotten much better and the Marlins are always dangerous.
Therefore if I am Nomar and a championship is what I desire, I am signing with the Cubbies because it will take a lot of injuries/miracles for the Cubs to lose this Division. I think the Cubs win 100+ games this year. There is no other team with an easier road to the post season. ( I am not saying this as a Cubs fan, as this is the truth, this team is loaded)
by MrShowtime on Jan 21, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit...
while I hate to take a playoff appearance for granted, I don’t recall any other time — past maybe the Yankees heyday — recently where the divisional opponents have capitulated to this degree.
I can’t find one team who got better this off-season, past maybe the Cardinals, who should get a healthy Pujols next season.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's some things we don't know here...
As I mentioned above, I like the idea. There’s more to it though, and several things that I can’t answer any one of which would probably block this from happening.
1. Would he be willing to sign a one-year deal for a few million/incentives after making $9M+ last year? From the sounds of things, it looks like there may be a few players who will retire rather than accept lesser deals this off-season as a matter of pride. I have no inclination on whether Nomar is among those or not, just saying…
2. Would he be willing to accept a back-up/bench role?
3. Does he want to come back to Chicago. My impression was that he had a positive experience here (other than the exploding groin), but I can’t speak to his personal thoughts.
4. What does Lou think and would Lou use him correctly?
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by bobby h on Jan 21, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if we sign Nomar
We’ll have to sign Aurilia for when Nomar gets hurt in April.
by JodyDavis on Jan 21, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm starting the "Bring Back Nomar" campaign
Kudos to whoever came up with this inspired idea. The attraction for Nomar is that he can try and win a World Series ring before he calls it quits and have his once amazing career go out on a much higher note. God forbid something happen to Aramis Ramirez or Derrek Lee, Nomar would be great insurance policy. And he would be great pinch hitting option.
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 10:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm on board...
with this way more than the Aurilia idea. If Nomar takes 1 Mil or less (which Aurilia is rumored to get) than go for it. I doubt he would though.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jan 21, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign me up for the "Bring Back Nomar" campaign.
He had about the same range as Theriot last year at SS, so he’s good insurance for us all around the field.
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by DGU on Jan 21, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nomar stopped being a shortstop a long time ago
He was never good at shortstop to begin with. His role would have to be strictly as 3rd base and 1st base option.
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree ...
and that’s why I’d rather keep Cedeno — who can play short. And I’m no Cedeno fan.
by elgato on Jan 21, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But,
I know I’ll get some feedback from this, but he was still a better SS than Jeter, and he will go down as one of the “greatest” of his time, when we really know that Jeter isn’t the complete package, he can hit, thats it.
So if Jeter can crawl out everyday to play SS, then I think Nomar could at least play D as good as Jeter.
However, I still think that there are younger and better that will fall on this years scrap heap, and that Nomar should not be even a second thought for the Cubs.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Derek Jeter is entering his 15th season as everyday Yankee shortstop and for many years has been captain and leader. Of a ballclub that has played in 6 World Series during his tenure. Where he has been postseason hero many times. Jeter’s defense is maligned, but all I know is that something must be going right because he is a sure fire first ballot Hall of Famer.
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see him,
as a great defensive SS, and thats the way he, up until recently, has been portrayed.
I admit he is good, but, IMO, he would have been better suited for 1st.
But my true point, thus the comparison, is that if Jeter can go out there everyday, and play sub par defense, the Nomar on occasion, couldn’t be any worse.
By no way am I saying we need to sign him, but I think we could also do FAR worse.
And I do understand that Jeter has been the hero for the Yanks many times, but I attribute that to his presence and clutch performance, being able to go down and get it when needed, not to his sheer defensive skills.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Derek Jeter was never a great defensive shortstop
But neither was he or is he as bad as some would claim. All I know is that he is entering his 15th season as everyday shortstop of the Yankees and has 6 World Series rings, a batting title and yes even a couple Gold Gloves to his credit. I profess to being a huge Jeter fan. What Jeter has done in the post-season over the years is unbelievable. The guy is a big game performer. And he is marching ever closer to 3,000 hits.
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The bar is not set high for the Cubs at SS.
I agree Nomar’s not a good defender. But what seems to be the most respected defensive stat du jour (RZR) says Nomar and Theriot were about the same at the position.
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by DGU on Jan 21, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crikey
Nomar Garciaparra is never going to see the shortstop position again. Even in a charity softball game if it so happens his wife Mia Hamm was going to be double play partner at 2nd base. Nomar is FAR removed from being even tolerable at shortstop.
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oddly enough...
… Nomar played more games at SS in 2008 than any other position (31 at SS, 11 at 3B, 8 at 1B). He wasn’t very good there — far below average range factor and a poor .967 fielding percentage — but I was surprised to see the Dodgers even try him there.
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by Al on Jan 21, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you...
remember who they were fielding out there when Furcal went down? Hu couldn’t hit .200 to save his life. I can’t blame them for try Nxomar there.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember Angel Berroa??
Hu and Berroa make Felix Pie look like the second coming of Ted Williams with the bat.
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you misunderstood,
I was, in no way, recommending Nomar for short, only to spell for an inning or so, against a left handed pull lineup.
I’m just saying that SS is one of our weak positions, and, we are supposed to have the next great thing @ short in our system right now (I can’t seem to find his name either).
Problem is, nobody has seen him play, so I can only hope we either make another ARam like trade for a real SS, or this kid is as good as they say he is.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of ss
who would be our top ss prospect?
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
by davidalanu on Jan 21, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Must be the young chinese kid??
He’s a teenager, probably 3-4 years away if he even makes it………..
by MrShowtime on Jan 21, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forget.........
Or the Korean kid named Rhee ??
by MrShowtime on Jan 21, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that may be him
But then again, no one has seen him play, so no one really knows. But I do know he is really young, and not in our top 25 right now.
I’ll do more research and find out though, its bugging me.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If $2 million or under do it.
Nomar’s ops was 1.067 versus lefties last year and his ops versus lefties was .870 from 06-08. Maybe the Cubs can catch some lighting in a bottle. I wish he could play some 2b and fill in for Fontenot or Miles when lefties pitch. No way do I want to see him at SS.
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by CubFaninCA on Jan 21, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nomar Garciaparra: The Jim Edmonds of 2009?
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 21, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Edmonds?
wasn’t he the Gary Gaetti of 2008.
by N Oakley on Jan 21, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds in 2008
was the Gaetti of 1998. I fear Nomar of 2009 may be the Gaetti of 1999.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 21, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares if he is a utility ballplayer to begin with???
It’s not like Nomar Garciaparra would be looked upon to be a regular or even semi-regular. Rather we are talking a guy who is primary pinch hitter and provides backup and insurance at 3rd base and 1st base.
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the point
Don’t think either Oak, dat cubfan or me were talking about him being a utility guy as much as picking up someone off the heap and them stepping up and helping the club; like both Edmonds (2008) and Gaetti (1998),
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on Jan 21, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nomar has a condition called
compartment syndrome where his body produces excess scar tissue.
This makes me wonder if it’s even possible for Nomar to stay healthy.
Here’s some info I found out on the condition:
LINK
I believe I read an article that said Nomar had ruled out surgery so I really wonder if it’s possible for Nomar to continue to play.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 21, 2009 11:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't heard that
That is freaky.
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by JohnM on Jan 21, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If only I hadn't donated my Nomar shirt to Goodwill last summer...
I like the idea, especially if the options are Cedeno, Aurillia or Garciaparra. While I think Cedeno possesses talent, I don’t think he’ll ever realize it (at least with the Cubs), making him expendable.
If Garciaparra was willing to come for $1 million or so, then I think it would make a solid addition to the bench, and Lou could find a way to give Lee and Ramirez some days off to keep them fresh and get Nomar his AB’s.
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by Trey2317 on Jan 21, 2009 11:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nomar
a resounding YES!
I thought of this before as well………….but………….i’m not sure he’s willing to accept a bench role at this point.
by plenz on Jan 21, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nomar vs Aurillia
.283/332/.413 for Aurillia and .264/.326/.466 for Nomar last season, Aurillia had over 400ABs, Nomar only 163
So go back to 07 when they both had over 400 ABs
Nomar: .283/.328/.371/ 78 OPS+
Aurillia: .252/.304/.368/ 73 OPS+
So Nomar was a tad bit better in the last comparable season (07), Nomar split time b/t 1st and 3rd, Aurillia played 1st, 2nd, 3rd and SS in 07, but no SS in 08, while Nomar actually played 31 games at SS in 08
Incidentally, Nomars first name is Anthony….I had no idea. Nomar will be 36 during the season, Aurillia 38
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jan 21, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, I must confess...
…my initial reaction to this idea was a big Hell-to-the-No, but you’ve all given me a lot to think about. It’s really hard to imagine Nomar being able to play shortstop at this point, but he would presumably be a decent backup option at third base (which the Cubs need) and first base (incidentally, the MLB Network keeps listing him as a first baseman). And, naturally, he’s a veteran hitter with very strong career numbers.
Of course, the more cynical side of me tends to believe that Nomar would blow a hammy just putting on a Cubs uniform. But if Hendry can sign him for a reasonable amount, it might not be a half-bad gamble. Maybe Nomar and his wife should have finished that house here in the Chicago area, after all.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 21, 2009 11:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
HUGE GAMBLE...........
For the Cubs to take Nomar at this stage in what may be his last year …..Yes I can also see him on the DL as we all watch in Mesa…..And wonder how long will Nomar be laid up…..2 months, 3 months , the season ????
by cubs north on Jan 21, 2009 12:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he could get hurt
but so could Rich Aurillia, who is also a veteran player, who at his age, can be prone to injury. Between the two, I’d say Nomar is more of an injury risk, but if healthy, is the better player of the two.
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by Trey2317 on Jan 21, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How is a utility infielder classfied a HUGE GAMBLE ?
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he will probably want to be paid significantly higher than a utility infielder...
and the risk he brings won’t be worth the $ the Cubs will have to spend.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 21, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Nomar is either going to retire or be willing to accept a low dollar guaranteed contract. Something in the neighborhood of $1 – 2 million tops. That hardly can be classified a HUGE GAMBLE. If he works out, then great. If not, then no big whip.
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nomar??
While I don’t think it’s an absolutely crazy idea to bring him back, I would be very hesitant to do it. I still think the guy can hit some, but he’s no good with the bat on the DL. He may be too expensive for the Cubs. If Nomar somehow wants to give the Cubs a discount, then and only then would I even consider making the move. How much interest does Nomar have in coming back to the Cubs? I wish Nomar well, but I have doubts he fits well with the needs of the Northsiders.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jan 21, 2009 12:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
News flash...
DeRo is gone. Stop trying to replace him, because you can’t.
DeRo is unique. He is probably the only guy in baseball who can play 150 games and post a .800 OPS while playing competent defense at six positions and changing positions all the time.
Lou used that versatility like a shiny new toy, but it really isn’t as important as Lou made it out to be. It was just his way of avoiding Cedeño, Murton, Patterson, et al and giving all the bench ABs to LBR. (DeRo’s .857 OPS was far more important to the Cubs’ success last year.) What is important is to have a competent backup SS (is Miles good enough at SS?), a competent backup at 3B (either Nomar or Aurilia would be OK), and a competent backup at 1B (again, Nomar or Aurilia are fine).
The Cubs are already committed to carrying 5 OFs to make up for the loss of DeRo’s ability to play RF. The only thing that is important is that the three guys replacing DeRo (Miles, Gathright, and Nomar/Cedeño/Aurilia) be competent at their own positions.
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by DeRoMyHero on Jan 21, 2009 1:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm not even certain
that I understand how Mark came into this conversation. We’re talking utility infielders, and whether Nomar represents an upgrade. That’s pretty much about it. Should we expect that all bench conversations going forward be vetted through a WWMD filter?
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I like the idea of the following bench…
Reed Johnson
Joey Gathright
Aaron Miles
Nomar Garciaparra
Paul Bako
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to ask a question about that...
and I really hope that I’m not opening a can of worms, but what’s the story with the Montero kid in Arizona? Anyone know if they’re really shopping him?
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
High price
They want ready, or almost ready starting pitching.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pudge Rodriquez is looking for work
In these goofy economic times you never know if a Pudge Rodriquez might be willing to come here and serve as backup to Geovany Soto and Derrek Lee.
by BLou on Jan 21, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pudge hits righthanded.
In Lou’s mind, that automatically disqualifies him.
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by Al on Jan 21, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For the right price
I would think that would be a great pickup. I still think, unless he tanks completely, he has a good shot at the HOF.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't...
As I think he’s an ill-suited backup, but whatever. The Montero kid is interesting. Young, cheap, good skills, left-handed, and used to being a backup. Just thinking out load.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Montero is intriguing
but I don’t think we can offer more that teh Red Sox are willing to trade for him.
Last I heard they were willing to trade Bard for him, but AZ wanted a little more.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They wanted to trade...
a catcher for a catcher? Weird.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
of course,
if we were to offer up someone who is really close to being ready, they might jump on it, but I think they want someone who is right there.
I think they requested Michael Bowden, the the RSox woudn’t do that.
Maybe Guzman??
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure...
I see why the Diamondbacks don’t like him though. And I wouldn’t think Guzman would be anymore interesting to them.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They actually value him very highly
and are rumored to want a high level pitching prospect from the Red Sox such as Clay Buchholtz or Michael Bowden.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 21, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The sox won't
trade buchholtz, and they denied Bowden, but maybe if we can convince them Rich Hill is what he was supposed to be…… LOL, kidding.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I meant..
I can see why the Diamondbacks don’t like Bard so much.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhhh....I misread that.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 21, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps because Bard is being groomed as a bullpen arm
4 starting pitcher targets have already declined contract offers from Arizona, so I think the D’Backs are looking for young Major League-ready starting pitching.
I don’t agree with it (I’d take Bard), but that could be part of it.
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by Trey2317 on Jan 21, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was part of it...
and I’d have preferred a little longer look at him in AA or greater before pulling the trigger on a deal, especially given that his mechanics don’t seem very polished yet.
by Damen Jackson on Jan 21, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame AZ
for wanting more, Montero seems like he will, at worst, become a league average backstop, but they also can’t expect the sox top prospects either.
I think Bard and maybe a decent mid prospect should do it, but I don’t think so.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Understandable
Though I would suspect that the Red Sox wouldn’t be upgrading their offer any time soon to a Bowden or Bucholz-level.
If Bard continues to show improvement (I think he’ll start the year in AA and have a chance to be in Boston midseason), then Arizona could regret not picking him up.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jan 21, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys
I bowed to no one in my excitement over the Nomar signing. I heard it on the radio and screamed “Nomah! Nomah! NOMAH!” over and over again.
It was a great deal. We gave up nothing. We got Murton, who helped produce Harden.
But it’s over.
His groin and ham muscles are probably the consistency of cooked angel hair pasta. There is no evidence he will be a 22nd-25th guy without any attitude. His most likely positions now are 1B and 3B and those positions are locked down.
This is one more off-season post, a la Randy Johnson, Rich Aurilia, of throwing out the names of people that were once good.
Sammy Sosa probably wants to get back in. I’m sure Karros could probably hit the ball still. Even Gracey probably could hit .250 today.
The past is the past.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jan 21, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Karros is only 41...
… I’m JOKING! I’m JOKING!
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by Al on Jan 21, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we're bringing anyone back...
I want it to be Randall Simon. I think what the 08 Cubs lacked is the fat, unathletic guy who inexplicably can hit.
I thought Daryle Ward could do it, but apparently, he isn’t fat enough.
We need Randall Simon. The guy was one of my favorite role players. That nose-to-toe strike zone cracked me up every time.
Bring back Randall!
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by Worf on Jan 21, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too late.
He tried out for the Brewers last week.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 21, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The best part of that article...
Brewers general manager Doug Melvin said he wasn’t holding Simon’s wienie whacking against him.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 21, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say that is the strangest article I've read this off-season.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jan 21, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If only all GMs had this attitude.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 21, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Bellhorn tried out as well
I mean… really.
Good God, that’s Dave Veres’ music!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jan 21, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I for a short second
though you were going to mention something about Prince, nose to toe strike zone?? no, but the size, local eateries woudl be thrilled to see him coming into town.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our current lead-off hitter's "nose-to-toe strike zone"...
doesn’t ever crack me up….so I’ll pass on bringing Simon back.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 21, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Simon's, however...
was effective.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jan 21, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JULIO ZULETA!
nuff said
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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 21, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
100 percent
Seconded about Randall Simon.
His strike zone was completely baffling. You’d never know WHAT he would swing at, which made his at-bats so entertaining. Even better, every so often he’d crush something around his eyes into the basket.
"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"
by cubs0505 on Jan 22, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glenallen Hill
was another who was entertaining to watch,. You knew he could not run well with two bad knees, but man he could crush the ball
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 22, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Younger Than Mike Stanton
Okay, I’m not going to bent out of shape over a non-roster spring invitee who won’t make the team in all likelihood, but why invite a 42-year old washed up reliever to camp?
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jan 21, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lefthanded.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 21, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like him giving Lee days off at 1b
Nomar’s ops from 06-08 @ 1b is .817.
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by CubFaninCA on Jan 21, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No Mas 2 Nomar
Not int. I’d rather give a rookie a chance to play
Signing a veteran that gets easily hurt?
Don’t we have enough of those?
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- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on Jan 21, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nomar Again?????????
When I started this post, I was thinking of Nomar being a guy who could pick up some innings here and there, and be a good pitch hitter for the ninth. No way do I think Nomar can play a full season. However, I think he could still pick up 200-300 at bats… and still be a good hitter in that span.
If he’s not expensive, I say sign him!
One other thing…. I don’t think he’s got to play in the World Series yet. (Has he?) Maybe the opportunity to play for a team that has a chance of winning would be incentive for him to play PT. Besides, it isn’t like teams are lining up to sign him.
by TheHawkRules on Jan 21, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Its all
in his health, and his willingness to be a bench role guy. I think he could be a benefit, but, with the nunber of free agents out there that are looking for jobs, we may be able to find a younger, and cheaper player.
Now if he will accept the role of a bench player, I do like the idea of having Nomar vs Aurelia.
I think between those two, Nomar has a great deal more in the tank, but I also heard the Phillies were talking to him.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe be better choices out there...
…but, Nomar does have some experience which is an added plus.
Even IF we signed him, no way are we going to get the old Nomar who played for the Red Sox. I just think he’d be a good bench, PT play if he could stay healthy. Plus, I ask you, if it was 2 outs, bottom of the 9th, winning run on third, who out of our bench players would you want to pitch hit for the pitcher?
Reed Johnson
Joey Gathright
Aaron Miles
Nomar Garciaparra
Fukudome
(am I forgetting anyone?)
I just think Nomar could be a great late inning boost with the bat if we need it.
by TheHawkRules on Jan 21, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For the right price
He wouldn’t be a bad pickup, but neither would Pudge, so, while I don’t totally support signing Nomar, we could do far worse, and not too much better if he plays well.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are the bases loaded?
Because Reed Johnson would get hit by the pitch to win the game.
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by Trey2317 on Jan 21, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the scouting report on the pitcher was first-pitch fastball
I’d send Nomar up there – his hacking ways could work out well in that scenario.
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by Trey2317 on Jan 21, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least one thing we know
The games would get longer, the batting glove dance would take time.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thankfully the Cubs have been through it before
So the music would be cued and ready to go.
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by Trey2317 on Jan 21, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Thankfully, we won’t have Nomar and Thome on the same team, that would make for some of the longest at bats.
by chrisw95 on Jan 21, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Back at the turn of the century
that would have been fantastic.
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by Trey2317 on Jan 21, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, that was sweet.
RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)
by dat cubfan daver on Jan 22, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoffpauir Off Bench
He’s an unproven commodity. I root for the guy because of all the work he’s done in the minors. I think he’ll slug about .430 over his career in the bigs. That .534 SLG in a small sample size of AB’s last season is simply too much to ask. My best guess is that he’ll be a nondescript journeyman bench player, who will stick around in the big leagues for about 5 more years. If he can do that, he won’t be set for life by any means, but he’ll have a decent sum of money in his bank account, when he retires.
"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jan 21, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about the
X-Cub factor?
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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 21, 2009 3:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who would be cheaper
With the market trend, Dunn or Nomar? I would think Nomar.
That being said, would it be worth it to spend more for a one yer deal to Dunn to play 1B and OF instead of Nomar?
Of course that is based on the $5m Dunn thread
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by Cubbie-Tim on Jan 21, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
On other thing....
Nomar would be a nice added bat whenever we get to use the DH. (During the season, and the World Series?!?!) Either let him bat DH, or, let A-Ram and have Nomar play 3rd. He won’t be great, but, he probably won’t be too bad in those few games either. Plus, his added bat would be in the line-up.
To sum it up, if Nomar would accept a PT role, I don’t think there would be a better hitter out there playing this role. (At least, none that I know of)
If the way the market is, I think Nomar would have to accept a PT role or hang it up. The only exception would be if someone gets hurts and a team signs him to fill the void.
I’ve heard the Phils are after him. Would he be a PT’er there or FT?
by TheHawkRules on Jan 21, 2009 4:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, think about it.
They have a first baseman, third baseman and shortstop. He can’t play any of the other positions.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Jan 21, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Nomar can still play SS occasionally
I would guess he could play some 2B until Utley returns.
Philadelphia might actually be a good location for him, as he could challenge Feliz at 3B for some playing time.
I would think that if he doesn’t retire, he would have to be willing to take a back-up role wherever he signs, as given his injuries no GM in their right mind would pencil him in for 160 games at any position.
by BucknerKongCardenal on Jan 22, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MAIN REASON THERE SHOULD BE NO MORE NOMAR
that said, I like the guy.
I just don’t ever want to see him in a Cubs uniform again.
To quote a Cubs fan seen in the stands in 2005: We don’t need Nomar Fooling around ..
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Jan 22, 2009 10:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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