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This is a pretty interesting rundown of each team's farm system. There isn't much said here about the Cubs, other than they don't have much. Check it out

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Fine, I'll say it...

…at least we’re not last!

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by dtpollitt on Jan 22, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions  

No kidding...

Reading what Law has to say about Houston…

At least we’re not THAT bad.

by steinmer on Jan 22, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Houston will get better

Their owner, McLane, wouldn’t allow the team to invest money on draft picks, which hurt them bad. Their 2007 draft was a joke. They’re better now but it will take a while to see the effects at the major league level. Law probably discussed this, but I don’t have insider so I can’t read the article beyond the 10th-ranked team. So I have no idea. But they had an OK 2008 draft.

by rob9802 on Jan 22, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

eh

I mean, as of now, every team had an OK 2008 draft. I wasn’t a big fan of their draft, though, in all honesty. Some folks like Jason Castro – I’m not sure he’s a starter. And after that? Nothing that stands out that great as of now.

That said, a lot of time to go.

by toonsterwu on Jan 22, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmpf, I gotta admit...

…I wouldn’t have guessed the Rangers had the best system. Then again, I’m hardly an expert.

RIP Ron Asheton (1948-2009)

by daver on Jan 22, 2009 10:00 AM CST reply actions  

excellent system due to

a variety of factors. Good trading, good international scouting, and good drafting. The Tex trade landed them a decent arm in Harrison, along with Elvis Andrus and Jarrod Saltalamacchia. Kenny Lofton for Max Ramirez is a steal. Signing MArtin Perez, who I believe we were briefly “in” on.

If there’s one thing I wish the Cubs did better, it would be nabbing the top Latin American guys. We’ve found some sleepers, but haven’t netted the top guys.

by toonsterwu on Jan 22, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

This is not a surprise

The Cubs continue with the fundamental inability to produce quality positional talent. Geovany Soto and Ryan Theriot can both be classifed as definite surprises because neither was well thought of until they had a burst through moment. And overall suspicious opinion of Theriot are well documented.

Tim Wilken needs to get it in gear. Soon. And Oneri Flieta and his minor league staff need to be held accountable for better instruction and mentoring on the science and art of hitting, pitching, fielding, etc.

by BLou on Jan 22, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed

Especially in the PCL where the lowliest contact hitter can smack the heck out of the ball, it would help our minor league hitters ability when called up if they weren’t always swinging for the fences in AAA. I know its easy pickings against alot of PCL pitching but it screws these kids when they get called up.

by StevenABQ on Jan 22, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Key point

I think the key point of this article is that Law is NOT assessing the recent ability for a farm system to produce MLB caliber players. He is assessing the prospects currently in the farm system. As you read this, you’ll see that he immediately discounts anyone who has broken into the majors already. That said, even though the Cubs have had some home grown talent become productive on the major league level (Theriot, Fontenot, Soto, Shark, Marmol, etc), none of these players are taken into account for Law’s rankings.

by steinmer on Jan 22, 2009 10:26 AM CST reply actions  

Fontenot's not home-grown.

He was acquired in a major league trade.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 22, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

We are seeing our farm system products on the big league team right now. While our system may look weak in current prospects, a number of key contributors to the current team came from our system. So our system looks bad at the lower levels now, its because it has sent its players to the highest level.

Let the Blaine Gabbert era begin.

by nji232 on Jan 22, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but

I would argue that the current contributions from our system doesn’t make this any less alarming. We should be able to have a good major league club while preparing for the future as well.

by steinmer on Jan 22, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

True, but once so many prospects come up at any one time...

… it may take a year or two to reload.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Jan 22, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't believe I'm saying this

But I agree with Blou. Not to go Chris Rock on you guys, but you’re not supposed to brag about having players on your team that came up through your system. You’re SUPPOSED to have guys on your team that came up through your system!!
Neither Soto and Theriot have spent a full season in the minors in five years. Counting them would be insane. It would be like the Rays counting Carl Crawford, BJ Upton, Evan Longoria, Jonny Gomes, Andy Sonnanstine and James Shields.
The Cubs can’t really take complete credit for Marmol either. He was a complete accident. They drafted him as a catcher, for cripe’s sake.
Our minor league system was great about six years ago. Now it’s a joke due in part to injury and trades, but also by mismanagement and negligence.

by rob9802 on Jan 22, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Understood

Not ‘home grown’, but he still played in our minor league system, which is the basis for comparison in Law’s rankings.

by steinmer on Jan 22, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions  

Really have to question

Tim Wilken. The system was decent, as it produced some pitching. It seems very depleted now.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jan 22, 2009 11:15 AM CST reply actions  

When Wilken came in

the system was a veritable mess. It lacked upside. There’s more upside in our system right now than at any point in the last 3-4 years. In saying that, I’m not saying Wilken’s been perfect. But his first draft was hampered by the lack of picks. I feel that his 2nd draft was geared towards filling holes positionally.

I am a big fan of a lot of pitching in the last draft. It’s early, though, so only time will tell.

by toonsterwu on Jan 22, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

The 2006 Draft

was really tough with no picks 2 through, No supplemental either.. Even so, he managed to get Samardzija in the fifth.

Sure, Colvin over Snider is looking like a big mistake. But that’s more about Snider than Colvin.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 23, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

#27 Won't Do (Duh?)

If the Cubs are going to stay competitive, the farm system has got to improve more. The Yankees farm system drying up has hurt that franchise despite their bottomless bank account. The Cubs don’t have that bottomless bank account, so imagine how a relatively dry farm system could hurt the team down the road.

"The big possum walks late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jan 22, 2009 11:21 AM CST reply actions  

I'm really hoping

our new owners, when and IF we get them, will understand this and put some more money back into the minors. Everybody talks about how the Sox have had winning teams both through their system and free agency, and that is it the way to go with the Cubs, but putting into practical existence is a different story.
I am a little lost as to why the trib wants to buy pricey free agents, but not build from within as well.
Regrdless, I hope things will change in the future.

by chrisw95 on Jan 22, 2009 12:11 PM CST reply actions  

I know they've made strides in recent years

But, the Cubs really need to invest more heavily in the Dominican. It seems that Marmol was the only quality player they’ve gotten from there.

Old Style is the nectar of life.

by Mordecai on Jan 22, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions  

Trust me they are.

I spent hours at Fitch Park last spring and Sandberg was one of few that were white and spoke English

by Clutche on Jan 22, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Suck on it

Tigers, Nationals and Astros!

Honestly, I can’t disagree with this assessment. I think you could knock us up two or three levels to around 24 or 25, but no higher than that.

We do not have a good farm system right now.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 22, 2009 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

If you read into

Law basically told you that he thought mid years of 2000 yielded very little and specifically mentioned 2005 which he said there may not be one major leaguer from the whole draft. 2003/2004 were very weak also. If you look at all the lists, 2003 to 2005 have very few players on them and even fewer in the major leagues. Given those numbers and the loss of draft choices you cant expect much.

by Slamdog on Jan 22, 2009 9:59 PM CST reply actions  

Colvin's a Wasted Pick

“Sure, Colvin over Snider is looking like a big mistake. But that’s more about Snider than Colvin.”

How is that “more about Snider than Colvin”? It’s both. Yes, Snider looks like a great prospect, but it’s also a failure because Colvin will likely never be a regular in the majors, if he even makes it as a 4th of’er. So it is about Colvin also. If Snider was better than Colvin, but both were starters in the majors, it would be more about Snider. Wilkin was highly thought of when Hendry nabbed him, but drafting Colvin was a really bad move (if that indeed was a draft pick of Tim Wilkin’s).

by rememberthecoop on Jan 24, 2009 10:33 PM CST reply actions  

All You Hendry Lovers Listen Up

The farm system is the direct responsibility of the GM. That’s why whenever I hear how great Jim Hendry is I always consider the poor shape the system is in when evaluating the job he has done. At the major league level, he has been given resources to work with in terms of $$, but his scouting and development has been a failure. Why have guys like Rich Hill failed to develop? I know he’s been injured, but there have been other examples of pitchers like that. And why have “can’t mis” kids like Jermoe Walton, Corey Patterson and Felix Pie keep coming and going? For the most part, OBP wasn’t stressed at the minor league level until recently, which again is a problem.

by rememberthecoop on Jan 24, 2009 10:37 PM CST reply actions  

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